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Vatican fires off warning to Barack Obama over stem cell research
TimesOnline ^ | November 11, 2008 | Richard Owen

Posted on 11/12/2008 2:11:08 PM PST by NYer

The Vatican has fired a warning shot over the bows of Barack Obama in response to the President-elect's intention to lift the US ban on embryonic stem cell research.

Cardinal Javier Lozano Barragan of Mexico, who acts as the Vatican health minister, said that stem cells taken from human embryos and involving the destruction of the embryos "serve no purpose".

Asked whether the Vatican was concerned about reports that Mr Obama might reverse the Bush Administration's ban, the cardinal said that embryonic stem cell research had not resulted in any significant health cure so far and was "good for nothing".

Research on adult stem cells and umbliical cords had been shown to have "positive value", by contrast, although even that was not "a panacea for everything."He said the Vatican would seek clarification of the new administration's position on stem cells, and he himself was not "fully aware" what it was.

Aides to Mr Obama indicated this week that he will reverse Mr Bush's stand on stem cell research. The US Senate voted in July to remove restrictions on embryonic stem cell research, but the President vetoed the legislation the following day.

Mr Obama has supported stem cell research to find cures for diseases such as Alzheimer's. His views are supported by Joe Biden, the Vice-President-elect, who is a Roman Catholic.

John Podesta, who is handling the President-elect's preparations to take over in the White House on January 20, said Mr Obama wanted "all the Bush executive orders reviewed".

He added: "I think across the board, on stem cell research, on a number of areas, you see the Bush administration even today moving aggressively to do things that I think are probably not in the interest of the country."

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1 posted on 11/12/2008 2:11:08 PM PST by NYer
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To: NYer

Like Bambi gives a s**t!


2 posted on 11/12/2008 2:12:57 PM PST by ChowChowFace
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Writing in the National Catholic Reporter, John Allen, a leading American Vatican watcher, said the Vatican would have "deep differences" with the Obama administration over abortion and embryonic stem cell research.

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3 posted on 11/12/2008 2:13:10 PM PST by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: ChowChowFace

The new fuhrer will be in blood up to his elbows to buy votes.

His response to the the Vatican will be a big middle finger.

Get used to it, folks.


4 posted on 11/12/2008 2:15:45 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Der neuen Fuhrer: AKA the Murdering Messiah: Keep your power dry, folks)
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To: NYer
"serve no purpose".

"good for nothing".

Sounds like Obambis administration motto....

5 posted on 11/12/2008 2:16:23 PM PST by Ben Mugged (Professor and ignorance: Oxymoron)
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To: NYer

Don’t worry, Bambi...the CINOs who voted for you have your back.


6 posted on 11/12/2008 2:19:14 PM PST by Redleg Duke ("Sarah Palin...Unleashing the Fury of the Castrated Left!")
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To: NYer

Too little too late Pope B. The Vatican let American bishops go wobbly on abortion for years in order to keep the Sunday collections coming in. With 0bama wining 55% of the Catholic vote, the Vatican has no pull.


7 posted on 11/12/2008 2:20:23 PM PST by Lou Budvis (Demoralize his base, Blame him for everything. Hold him to all his worthless promises)
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To: NYer

Obama subscribes to black liberation theology, and the racist rantings of his former minister, who inspired the title of his stupid, egotistical “Audacity” book. So I doubt Obama will give a damn about what the Vatican says.

Still, I think it is great that the Vatican is immediately calling his stem cell plan exactly what it is.


8 posted on 11/12/2008 2:21:30 PM PST by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: NYer
We need an army of people to show up at this years March For Life in DC.

I believe it will be two days after Obama is sworn in.

Want to bet that Obama sticks it to us and signs an EO on that day against life. It is so much in his play book. He made sure that he accepted the nomination of his party on the anniversay of Dr King's, I Have A Dream speech.

9 posted on 11/12/2008 2:22:10 PM PST by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: NYer

Correct me if I’m wrong, but pseudo-Christian crypto-Muslim athiests don’t really pay much heed to the Vatican.


10 posted on 11/12/2008 2:22:14 PM PST by aWolverine
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To: ChowChowFace

Like Bambi gives a s**t!
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I think all the starry-eyed, brain-dead liberals are going to be very shocked when they find out just how little this radical cares about the people in this country, in reality. His quest for monolithic socialist power trumps all -—


11 posted on 11/12/2008 2:27:36 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: Lou Budvis
The Catholic Church can say that anyone who voted for Obama should refrain from taking communion... but then they didn't do that for Kennedy or Pelosi or Kerry.
They have no influence over their priests, how can they expect their own parishioners to respect them?
12 posted on 11/12/2008 2:27:57 PM PST by The Brush
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To: Lou Budvis
The Vatican let American bishops go wobbly on abortion for years in order to keep the Sunday collections coming in.

I see the anti-Catholic bigots still show up here and there on FR. Interesting.

13 posted on 11/12/2008 2:28:05 PM PST by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: NYer

The Pope should send those Vatican guards in the colorful suits and large hats over to “attack” America, like in the Peter Sellers movie.


14 posted on 11/12/2008 2:29:07 PM PST by BlueStateBlues (Blue State for business, Red State at heart..)
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To: dashing doofus

So I doubt Obama will give a damn about what the Vatican says.
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I would agree, and it is good that he is already alienating world political/religous powers. Most authoritarian radical socialists do that. With the exception of Islamic fascists.


15 posted on 11/12/2008 2:30:55 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: NYer

Embryonic stem cell research is failed science.Other sources of stem cells have actually yielded results.
Obama is just giving a nod to the mass murderers of the multi-billion dollar abortion industry who gave him money.
Like the messiah really cares about dead babies.


16 posted on 11/12/2008 2:33:33 PM PST by Happy Rain ("In the late 50s,America gave Castro the "benefit of the doubt" too.Once bitten twice stupid?")
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To: NYer
I'm thinking Obama is a write-off on this issue. The dear Cardinal is to be commended for his attempt to rap the Dear Leader on the knuckles, but this can't be handled out in the open anymore. We're going to have to go back to living in the catacombs and hiding our faith. This ain't your fathers’ faith anymore, folks. Change hearts, because you won't be able to legislate the change of heart needed to stop this guy or the millions and millions of others like him. They consider this a sacrament of their faith.

“Right to Die” is popping up now with a call for “Safe Suicide”. This is going to be a losing battle with people who believe there's such a thing as safe suicides and safe abortions.

17 posted on 11/12/2008 2:38:46 PM PST by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: NYer

Obamanation is at odds with the Church of Jesus Christ. Could it be his Muslim faith?


18 posted on 11/12/2008 2:46:01 PM PST by realcleanguy
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To: NYer
in response to the President-elect's intention to lift the US ban on embryonic stem cell research.

THERE IS NO US BAN on embryonic stem cell research. There is a LIMITATION on the use of federal tax dollars for embryonic stem cell research -- STILL not a ban as even federal tax dollars are available for research on embryonic stem cells from specific existing lines at the time of W's EO..

19 posted on 11/12/2008 2:57:08 PM PST by VRWCmember
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To: NYer

I’m reminded of Stalin, who when reminded of the Pope’s displeasure said; “The Pope you say...how many divisions does he have?”


20 posted on 11/12/2008 2:59:56 PM PST by VR-21
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To: NYer

The Vatican has not received the memo that this guy is a higher power than their guy.


21 posted on 11/12/2008 3:00:01 PM PST by ilgipper
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To: NYer
His views are supported by Joe Biden, the Vice-President-elect, who is a Roman Catholic.

That's good enough for me.

22 posted on 11/12/2008 3:05:36 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Obama ripped W a New Tone.)
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To: VR-21
Some of the bozos on this thread would be carping if "The Vatican" said nothing ...

They hate the Church even more than they hate Hussein the Abortionist.

23 posted on 11/12/2008 3:06:06 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Lou Budvis
Too little too late Pope B. The Vatican let American bishops go wobbly on abortion for years in order to keep the Sunday collections coming in. With 0bama wining 55% of the Catholic vote, the Vatican has no pull.

Thou sayeth it
24 posted on 11/12/2008 3:25:23 PM PST by uncbob
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To: uncbob
It is true that Pope Benedict is dealing with an American Church handicapped by the decisions of past popes and bishops.

However, there is nothing that says that these attitudes cannot be reversed. Already the younger people are in some number more traditional. It may take a generation, but I believe things can be changed for the better.

25 posted on 11/12/2008 3:36:33 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple
It may take a generation,

Don't know if the USA can last another generation
26 posted on 11/12/2008 3:48:58 PM PST by uncbob
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To: uncbob

The Church will last until Christ returns. The USA, like all temporal powers, will eventually fall. Whether that is soon or hundreds of years from now only God knows.


27 posted on 11/12/2008 3:51:22 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

As a life-long Catholic who has regularly attended mass, I can say that I’ve never heard a consistent, anti-abortion message. Just this year the priest said to vote for Prop 4 and 8, but after that ‘it was up to your conscience.’ Thus, greenlighting a vote for 0bama.


28 posted on 11/12/2008 4:04:20 PM PST by Lou Budvis (Demoralize his base, Blame him for everything. Hold him to all his worthless promises)
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To: NYer

If the bishops had been doing their jobs for the last 40 years, we wouldn’t have had a generation of Catholic voters thinking it was okay to vote for someone like Obama.


29 posted on 11/12/2008 4:35:45 PM PST by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: NYer
Mr Obama has supported stem cell research to find cures for diseases such as Alzheimer's. His views are supported by Joe Biden, the Vice-President-elect, who is a Roman Catholic.

Biden is a Roman Catholic in name only. Obama is as evil as Biden is stupid. There is NO sanctity of life with those two, and I feel pretty sure that they're eventually going to want to euthanize the elderly and the sick. God will deal with both of them, but until then, perhaps they could use some stem cells to grow Obama a heart, and Biden a brain.

30 posted on 11/12/2008 5:11:21 PM PST by abbasmercyis4ever
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To: NewJerseyJoe
If the bishops had been doing their jobs for the last 40 years, we wouldn't have had a generation of Catholic voters thinking it was okay to vote for someone like Obama.

I agree with you. I also think that applies to Christian preachers/pastors too. I'm still in shock at how many of them encouraged their congregation to vote for Obama because he's black. They have shoved Christ out of the most important presidential race in history, and because of that, we have an ungodly socialist in the White House.

31 posted on 11/12/2008 5:11:56 PM PST by abbasmercyis4ever
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To: NYer

That’s it. “L’Osservatore Romano” is off the Obama plane...


32 posted on 11/12/2008 5:14:45 PM PST by COBOL2Java (Obama: Satan's Counterfeit Christ)
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To: Lou Budvis

Fortunately, our parish priests have made it clear that voting for pro-aborts is morally reprehensible. I’m sorry to hear that yours are failing at their jobs. But to say that the Pope has turned a blind eye to abortion in order to bring in more cash is astounding. I can’t believe a fellow Catholic would say such a thing.


33 posted on 11/12/2008 6:44:04 PM PST by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: Happy Rain
Embryonic stem cell research is failed science.Other sources of stem cells have actually yielded results. Obama is just giving a nod to the mass murderers of the multi-billion dollar abortion industry who gave him money.

Exactly. Well said. Better results, and non-embryonic stem cells are easier to get, with fat cells as one source alone. Respected schools such as Pitt and Stanford and Univ of Hawaii (ironically) have yielded hopeful and successful results.

34 posted on 11/12/2008 8:28:41 PM PST by fortunecookie
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To: VRWCmember
THERE IS NO US BAN on embryonic stem cell research. There is a LIMITATION on the use of federal tax dollars for embryonic stem cell research -- STILL not a ban as even federal tax dollars are available for research on embryonic stem cells from specific existing lines at the time of W's EO..

No FEDERAL ban. There are bans in some states.

This is all about NIH dollars. Because no tangible, usable results have occurred, private investment has dried up. There is very little, if any, private funding of embryonic stem cell research. The researchers themselves have decades invested in this and aren't willing to give up. Whoever gets it to work will be a household name. After five decades, you'd think they would see the futility. Oh, wait, these are research scientists. Nevermind.

35 posted on 11/12/2008 8:41:19 PM PST by Desdemona (Tolerance of grave evil is NOT a Christian virtue (I choose virtue. Values change too often).)
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

The reason that I lay part of the blame on the Vatican is that the church is controlled entirely from the top down. Therefore, the ‘buck stops there’ when it comes to assessing fault for tolerating pro-choice Catholic politicos. Without the backing of the Vatican, no American cardinal would dare take on the Kennedys for their pro-choice policies. Once the laity saw that famous Catholic politicos like Ted K. were not held to account for their apostacy, it told every other Catholic dem that they could be pro-choice and get away with it.


36 posted on 11/13/2008 9:23:35 AM PST by Lou Budvis (Demoralize his base, Blame him for everything. Hold him to all his worthless promises)
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To: Lou Budvis
Yeah, I can agree with that. I'll back you that cowardice or apathy has kept Catholic bishops from confronting libs like Kennedy.

But it's not greed for money.

37 posted on 11/13/2008 4:31:55 PM PST by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; annalex; ...
Embryonic Stem Cell Research on Animals Has FAILED to Produce Any Cures or Treatments in 25 Years
 
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Embryonic Stem Cell Research Funding Worse Than Abortion
 
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Vatican vows to expel stem cell scientists from Church

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Vatican: Stem-cell Research 'gravely immoral'

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In embryonic stem cell research, end does not justify the means By Archbishop Charles Chaput, O.F.M.

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St. Louis Archbishop Orders Priests to Preach on Embryo Research

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Catholic Bishops Criticize Bush Policy on Embryo Research.

38 posted on 11/14/2008 10:31:28 PM PST by Coleus (Abortion and Physician-assisted Murder (aka-Euthanasia), Don't Democrats just kill ya?)
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To: Lou Budvis
Just this year the priest said to vote for Prop 4 and 8, but after that ‘it was up to your conscience.’ Thus, greenlighting a vote for 0bama.

You don't understand what "conscience" means.

39 posted on 11/15/2008 4:18:34 AM PST by johniegrad
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To: Lou Budvis

Whoa! The Vatican most assuredly did not let the American bishops “go wobbly on abortion in order to keep the Sunday collections coming in.” The Church has consistently condemned abortion since the first century and the last 50 years have been no exception. Perhaps you’ve heard of Humanae Vitae or Evangelium Vitae? How about the Catechism of the Catholic Church? The fact that the bishops in this country have muted their response to legalized abortion is not the Vatican’s fault.

Of course, on the other hand you stated that “with Obama winning 55% of the Catholic vote, the Vatican has no pull.” So which is it? Has the Vatican failed to speak out? Or is it pointless for the Vatican to speak out because it “has no pull?”

Your position here is logically inconsistent but it is very much consistent with anti-Catholic bigotry.


40 posted on 11/15/2008 4:30:28 AM PST by steadfastconservative
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To: steadfastconservative

“Humanae Vitae”

Even knowing the meaning, it sounds like something on a shampoo bottle.

Can’t figure out why these things can’t be translated into English. There is nothing spiritual or godly about speaking about these things in English and then throwing in Latin words. It’s like using trade terms to make the common man think the user is extra smart or more spiritual.


41 posted on 11/15/2008 4:36:33 AM PST by John Leland 1789
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To: Lou Budvis

No, you probably haven’t heard a consistent pro-life message from your parish priests and your local bishop because, unfortunately, many of the bishops and priests in this country avoid talking about issues like abortion, contraception, and divorce because they don’t want to upset anyone. Some of them don’t want to say anything about abortion at election time because they claim (falsely) that they might lose their tax-exempt status by doing so. However, the universal Church, the Vatican, has consistently and very publicly condemned these things. Moreover, throughout history, there have been bishops and priests who have failed to uphold the Church’s teachings, who have passively stood by during scandals and heresies. The Church is a hierarchy, not a dictatorship or a totalitarian state. The pope does not have absolute control over the bishops and clergy. They must choose to obey him and if they don’t, oftentimes they can get away with it.


42 posted on 11/15/2008 4:40:17 AM PST by steadfastconservative
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To: John Leland 1789

Here it is in “English” for you:

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/paul_vi/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-vi_enc_25071968_humanae-vitae_en.html

May you have clean hair.


43 posted on 11/15/2008 8:23:31 AM PST by reagandemocrat
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To: John Leland 1789

Catholics use the Latin titles of papal documents because they are originally published in Latin. Latin is still the official language of the Church. Moreover, people are more familiar with the Latin titles of these documents than with their English titles. It is entirely proper to use the Latin, there is nothing “ungodly,” “unspiritual” or snobbish about it. Anyone who would complain about something like this must be ready to offense at the slightest thing.


44 posted on 11/16/2008 5:47:26 AM PST by steadfastconservative
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To: Lou Budvis
The reason that I lay part of the blame on the Vatican is that the church is controlled entirely from the top down.

No. The pope is first among equals. He appoints and can ask for resignations, but he really cannot control the bishops unless he's got a really strong personality. The major problems all were put into place by the Paul VI group and there is a whole conspiracy theory on that that may well be true.

Without the backing of the Vatican, no American cardinal would dare take on the Kennedys for their pro-choice policies.

The Kennedys aren't the only family, but there's more to it than simple politics. Wealthy people spend a lot of time and money ingratiating themselves with the hierarchy. The other thing to remember is that the wealthy are a big source of funding for big projects like hospitals and new gyms. You don't want to tick them off too badly. Not saying this is right, but the way it is. This is how a lot of cathedrals were built including St. Peter's. Little known fact, but modern fundraising is a Catholic invention.

Once the laity saw that famous Catholic politicos like Ted K. were not held to account for their apostacy, it told every other Catholic dem that they could be pro-choice and get away with it.

This one I won't argue with, but it doesn't stop there. This is the most visible and objectionable, but there's any number of other sinful and apostate things going on that are ignored.

One thing about being Catholic you have to remember: we trust God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit to keep the barque aright. The church in the flesh has different faces all the time and every generation has had some of the same problems - rich apostates trying to buy their way to Heaven among them. At heart, Catholicism is very individual and you really have to concentrate more on yourself and pray for those who put themselves outside of God. It's been that way since the Last Supper when Judas left early.

45 posted on 11/16/2008 6:08:59 AM PST by Desdemona (Tolerance of grave evil is NOT a Christian virtue (I choose virtue. Values change too often).)
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To: steadfastconservative

“It is entirely proper to use the Latin, there is nothing “ungodly,” “unspiritual” or snobbish about it.”


Oh, help yourself. It’s y’alls outfit.


46 posted on 11/16/2008 6:24:06 AM PST by John Leland 1789
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