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Why Europe is secretly afraid of a socialist America
American Thinker ^ | November 14, 2008 | James Lewis

Posted on 11/14/2008 2:13:43 AM PST by Puzzleman

Suppose you've been living under the protective wings of a benevolent superpower for sixty years. And suppose you've used that big half century to take off on an endless vacation -- spending all your tax money to buy votes for the socialist Ruling Class. It's been one long, grand, drug-infested, sex-drenched, self-indulgent, tabloid party scene. Any time danger threatens you look to Washington for protection. The rest of the time you noisily abuse those Yankee imperialists, merely to boost your fragile ego. Corruption has become pervasive.

That's Europe today...

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


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KEYWORDS: america; europe; obama; ussa
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1 posted on 11/14/2008 2:13:44 AM PST by Puzzleman
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To: Puzzleman

We should stop worrying or carring about what those degenerates think.

Aside from eastern Europe, that continent is gone. Until the Europeans become men again there is nothing we can do to help them, and nothing they can do to help us.

Besides we have our own problems here with “The One”.


2 posted on 11/14/2008 2:16:16 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: Puzzleman

They should also worry because free prosperous societies, like ours has been, only engage in military action when threatened, or when needed as liberators (even at the risk of engaging in unpopular wars like the current one.)

Socialist utopias, with narcissistic, paranoid leaders and flagging economies, on the other hand.....


3 posted on 11/14/2008 2:23:30 AM PST by shibumi (...vampire outlaw of the milky way...)
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To: Puzzleman

This piece is right on.

The Euroweenie ruling class has spent years bashing Uncle Sam in public, all the while going to bed at night and sleeping sweet dreams with the knowledge that Uncle Sam is guarding over them and will surely do all the heavy lifting should a problem occur.

Yeah, they better worry now with Obama and the Rat almost-supermajority. This administration will not even be able to figure out how to directly defend America, much less take care of indirectly defending America by projecting military power and influence around the world.


4 posted on 11/14/2008 2:23:58 AM PST by fightinJAG (Who needs the Fairness Doctrine? Obama admits the power to tax is the power to destroy.)
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To: shibumi

People will fight and die for freedom. Socialism isn’t freedom.


5 posted on 11/14/2008 2:25:12 AM PST by fightinJAG (Who needs the Fairness Doctrine? Obama admits the power to tax is the power to destroy.)
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To: Puzzleman

socialist europeans are like parasites. They want to take all the gains from the global economy and redistribute them. That’s not going to work anymore.


6 posted on 11/14/2008 2:34:11 AM PST by ari-freedom (So this is how Liberty dies... with thunderous applause)
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To: fightinJAG
I agree that Socialism isn't freedom.

But Hitler, Lenin, Castro, Ho Chi Minh, Mao and others have proven that people can be coerced into fighting for the privilege of enslaving themselves.....

.....and their neighbors.

7 posted on 11/14/2008 2:36:10 AM PST by shibumi (...vampire outlaw of the milky way...)
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To: Puzzleman
I read this article earlier this morning at AT -- excellent, cogent, and bang on the money right.

For 8 (eight) years, I've read this side and that go wretched over "mistakes" made in Iraq and Afghanistan. 8 years of the slash and burn policies of Democrat rule (Pre President Bush) hobbled the military. And the same creeps who hobbled the military did all within their grasp to destroy SecDef Rumsfeld, who did an outstanding job of marshalling forces, along with such notables as Tommy Franks. "You go with the Army you've got". And that's what we did.

8 posted on 11/14/2008 2:39:07 AM PST by Alia
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To: fightinJAG
Bang-on post of yours.

Additionally, and more local, I suspect the Dem "fairness doctrine" will be adopted in an incremental manner. Drip, drip, drip.

Were entire conservative-dom print and media to go immediately, simultaneously silent, the world would shudder.

What is the sound of one hand clapping.

9 posted on 11/14/2008 2:43:08 AM PST by Alia
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To: fightinJAG
Yeah, they better worry now with Obama and the Rat almost-supermajority. This administration will not even be able to figure out how to directly defend America, much less take care of indirectly defending America by projecting military power and influence around the world.

Yep, and this country had better worry too because we have a lot of street punks and whiney liberal kids who have been protected by a professional military who will be leaving in droves very soon, and those street punks and liberals will be becoming canon fodder in the very near future. Just imagine all those spoiled brats being handed a gun and told to go out and protect The One.

10 posted on 11/14/2008 2:43:49 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: McGavin999

I was too young to vote when Clinton became president. Were people this freaked out when he became president?


11 posted on 11/14/2008 2:52:07 AM PST by DoneWithDems
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To: DoneWithDems

Clinton didn’t run on a Marxist platform and we didn’t know about his felon friends until after he was elected.

Obama wears his communist, anti-American views like a RED badge of honor.


12 posted on 11/14/2008 2:56:00 AM PST by CrappieLuck
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To: DoneWithDems

I think I freaked out more when Carter was elected than Clinton. Everyone knew he was bufoon day 1, and he almost destroyed us.


13 posted on 11/14/2008 2:56:09 AM PST by catfish1957 (Hey algore...You'll have to pry the steering wheel of my 317 HP V8 truck from my cold dead hands)
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To: catfish1957

Thanks guys!
The peanut farmer is so excited about BO!
Trivial info: Hillary and Bill hate Carter. They worked for him in the seventies and Carter ended up stabbing Bill in the back. When Bill became President Hillary said Carter and his entire administration were to be banned from the WH!


14 posted on 11/14/2008 3:06:08 AM PST by DoneWithDems
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To: DoneWithDems

I need to edit my post! It is late and I did not proofread.


15 posted on 11/14/2008 3:07:50 AM PST by DoneWithDems
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To: Puzzleman
"Why Europe is secretly afraid of a socialist America"

Oh really? Gee I wonder why? Imagine that Vladimir Putin or one of his allies was elected as President of the United States and had his finger on the nuclear trigger. And imagine that the person elected was pro-communist and anti-capitalist. Might a person in Europe start having some sleepless nights?

16 posted on 11/14/2008 3:17:36 AM PST by Enterprise (No Oil for Democrats!)
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To: Enterprise
"It would be poetic justice for the European Left to get exactly what it's been asking for."

Sell the dollar, invest in Euros. LOL

17 posted on 11/14/2008 3:18:31 AM PST by Enterprise (No Oil for Democrats!)
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To: CrappieLuck; DoneWithDems

I agree. Clinton was a grifter and a thug. Obama is a communist and a thug. I would rather have a grifter in office.


18 posted on 11/14/2008 3:20:09 AM PST by Enterprise (No Oil for Democrats!)
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" If the Left follows its instincts and the American military are systematically weakened, cut down and demoralized, Europe may realize its fondest wish."

Or, in the words of much beloved philosopher Pamela Lee - "Suck it."

19 posted on 11/14/2008 3:21:35 AM PST by Enterprise (No Oil for Democrats!)
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To: ZULU
Besides we have our own problems here with “The One”.

Our problem is "The One" is one of them.
20 posted on 11/14/2008 3:28:06 AM PST by divine_moment_of_facts
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To: DoneWithDems

Remember the Clinton Chronicles?


21 posted on 11/14/2008 3:30:25 AM PST by Chet 99
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To: DoneWithDems

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7dtVm9-Z5M


22 posted on 11/14/2008 3:33:39 AM PST by Chet 99
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To: fightinJAG

“The Euroweenie ruling class has spent years bashing Uncle Sam in public, all the while going to bed at night and sleeping sweet dreams with the knowledge that Uncle Sam is guarding over them and will surely do all the heavy lifting should a problem occur.”

This is what has always astonished me. They’ve leeched off America for years and, at the same time, shown total contempt for it. Talk about chickens coming home to roost if they finally manage to bring American down and cut their own throats in the process! I truly believe that some ridiculous notion of finally being “liked” played a significant role in Obama’s success. “Like” is pretty hollow without respect.


23 posted on 11/14/2008 3:57:50 AM PST by Nipfan
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To: Puzzleman

The ultimate pipe dream of leftists everywhere is that their countries unilaterally disarm, and then seeing what nice people the disarmed western countries are, so will all the bad people disarm. Yeah, that will work...sure. (snort)


24 posted on 11/14/2008 4:12:24 AM PST by driftless2
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To: Puzzleman
I think Don Corleone summed this up brilliantly in “The Godfather”:

“It's an old habit. I spend my life trying not to be careless. Women and children can be careless, but not men.”

I have always thought that all the nations that can not, or will not provide for their own defense and economic prosperity have looked to the U.S. as their ultimate protector and benefactor.

They could afford to fool around with pacifism and socialism only so long as America was not "careless", and could be counted on to come to their aid militarily and financially.

I have no doubt that the remaining realists in those countries are frightened to see the "man" (the U.S.) planning to adopt the carelessness of the "women and children" (Europe and our other leftist allies).

Despite all their whining and complaining about an "imperialistic and hegemonic" United States, their well-being depends on our maintaining a both a powerful military and the wealth creation possible only in a free market capitalist economy, both of which will be under severe assault by the incoming administration and the liberal Democrats dominating the Congress.

25 posted on 11/14/2008 4:16:24 AM PST by Yankee
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To: fightinJAG
I even wonder if we would be able to sustain a voluntary military to help them, or anybody else including ourselves, if we had to. I sure wouldn't want any of my three sons to enlists right now with Obama as Commander-in-Chief. I have not heard any service member or military parent talking about how great it's going to be to re-up in the Obama army.

George W., as imperfect as he was, did inspire people to serve. I don't know if Obama's following has that same sort of sense of patriotism or sacrifice.

26 posted on 11/14/2008 4:17:49 AM PST by MHT
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To: Nipfan

This column is so accurate it’s uncanny. Having lived and worked in multiple countries in Europe and traveled through the ME and Asia on business, this mirrors my own experience and opinions. The US is a cheap and easy target to vent their frustrations. At the root, its jealousy. They come here and see our wide-open spaces, 7x24 access to the widest range of goods and services at reasonable prices AND a distribution of income that is unmatched anywhere in the world. Sure, any Westerner can go to Thailand and live like Royalty on $10 or less per day - but that whole system is built on exploitation of the dirt-poor. If Obama only accomplishes half of his anti-American, Marxist, racist agenda - Europe and those living under the ‘US-umbrella’ are going to have a very rude awakening.


27 posted on 11/14/2008 4:18:06 AM PST by NHResident
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To: DoneWithDems
The difference between Clinton and Obama is the difference between a very sly, liberal opportunist (Clinton) who tacked right on certain issues and a true leftist disciple (Obama) who really believes leftism works. At heart I think Clinton knew that liberalism was a hoax, so he passed NAFTA, welfare reform, and cut capital gains taxes.

He even feinted at trying to stop Islamo-fascism by passing an Iraq removal act to get rid of Saddam Hussein. Unfortunately he had opportunities to nab Bin Laden and muffed them. Overall a lot of things he did positively were forced on him by a Republican congress. His overall record on national security is bad. His record on domestic matters wasn't good but he lucked out on the economy due to the tech boom. His record economic matters became worse when we found he pushed the Community Reinvestment Act which was like a severe infection whose results we are seeing now with a severely damaged economy.

But Obama really believes all the hogwash dispensed by radical leftists for decades. We will pay severely for this clown.

28 posted on 11/14/2008 4:27:49 AM PST by driftless2
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To: Yankee
Despite all their whining and complaining about an "imperialistic and hegemonic" United States, their well-being depends on our maintaining a both a powerful military and the wealth creation possible only in a free market capitalist economy, both of which will be under severe assault by the incoming administration and the liberal Democrats dominating the Congress.

Well said!

29 posted on 11/14/2008 4:27:56 AM PST by Puzzleman ("All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing." -- Edmund Burke)
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To: Enterprise
"grifter and thug"

Congratulations. You said what I said but in much more concise terms.

30 posted on 11/14/2008 4:30:09 AM PST by driftless2
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To: CrappieLuck

“...and we didn’t know about his felon friends until after he was elected.”

BS. It was well known the sorts Clinton ran with during the campaign. Clinton voters knew what they were getting with Clinton, but didn’t care. Had it not been for Perot, Clinton would have never been President.


31 posted on 11/14/2008 4:42:31 AM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, Call 'em what you will, they ALL have Fairies livin' in their Trees.)
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To: fightinJAG
Rat almost-supermajority.

You said almost. AK and MN are going to the rats after they manufacture enough votes.

32 posted on 11/14/2008 4:50:21 AM PST by Malsua
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To: Puzzleman

“Why Europeans are afraid of a socialist America”

Crap! I’M afraid of a socialist America, and I live here!


33 posted on 11/14/2008 5:03:33 AM PST by GWMcClintock (Right after Lib Democrats, the most dangerous politicians are country club Republicans. T. Sowell)
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To: Puzzleman

It’s my opinion that we should have pulled up stake militarily in Western Europe, with the exception of Great Britain, a long long time ago. It would make much more sense to move our force structure closer to the Middle East and East Asia and leave the defense of the Europeans to the Europeans.


34 posted on 11/14/2008 5:10:53 AM PST by RU88 (The false messiah can not change water into wine any more than he can get unity from diversity.)
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To: DoneWithDems

People weren’t freaked out. In fact, some conservatives thought it was good that the Republicans lost the election in 1992 because we had run a moderate candidate instead of a conservative, and that maybe this would teach the GOP a lesson. Well we did have the short-lived Republican Revolution of 1994 with its “Contract with America” but all we really got out of the deal was 8 years of Bill and Hillary. And ultimately we ended up with 9/11.

I’m glad conservatives are “freaking out” this time instead of treating Obama’s election as something to celebrate.


35 posted on 11/14/2008 5:17:38 AM PST by steadfastconservative
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To: driftless2

The Clintons ran the American Left. We still aren’t 100% certain who/what is running zerO.


36 posted on 11/14/2008 5:34:55 AM PST by reformedliberal
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To: catfish1957
I think I freaked out more when Carter was elected than Clinton. Everyone knew he was bufoon day 1, and he almost destroyed us.

Sort of like now? I am wondering if Jimmy isn't smarter and would be better than Barry. sigh...

37 posted on 11/14/2008 5:36:51 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (Join the Constitution Party)
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To: DoneWithDems
Yes... but Billy Boy and Evita at least deferred to the system. However, they paved the way for a public which has become inured to flim flam and which has NO expectation of ability or fitness for the job from the DNC candidate. ANYTHING was seen as an improvement over Billy Boy and his tuna.

The ‘Mr. “God D^%$ America” President’ blew off anything like a deference to the system a long time ago.... and everyone looked the other way. It's no holds barred for him and a green light to all and every kind of malfeasance, fraud and bias you know.

Personal and professional accountability are not on the radar. The ‘changes’ will be irreversible and the United States of America will be unrecognizable to you from now on! FACT

38 posted on 11/14/2008 5:39:40 AM PST by SMARTY ("Stay together, pay the soldiers and forget everything else" Lucius Septimus Severus)
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To: DoneWithDems
I was too young to vote when Clinton became president. Were people this freaked out when he became president?

At first yes. I remember lamenting that we might as well quit working because Clinton was just going to put everyone on welfare. But the Republican party was actually effective fairly soon in highlighting his efforts to institute socialism. By the time of the 1994 mid term elections people were ready to vote out every Democrat. I vividly remember going to vote with a real sense of purpose, to vote with a vengeance. Millions of others felt the same way and conservatism made a comeback for a while.

39 posted on 11/14/2008 5:40:14 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: Puzzleman
I predict that every single Obama donor will come to deeply regret providing that support.

When the government takes more in the form of taxes, I buy fewer movie tickets. In fact, every aspect of my personal economy is reduced. There is nobody who is not affected.

In fact, I'll be the one who suffers least from a socialist Amerika.

40 posted on 11/14/2008 6:09:51 AM PST by The Duke (I have met the enemy, and he is named 'Apathy'!)
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To: ari-freedom

The only reason they could BE socialist is because America is/was not. They didn’t have to spend but a pittance on national defense because they had the big bad American military standing behind them.

What was ironic is that the dumbasses would criticize America for spending so much on the military and not enough on social programs.


41 posted on 11/14/2008 6:14:54 AM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, and Thuggery)
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To: driftless2
The difference between Clinton and Obama is the difference between a very sly, liberal opportunist (Clinton) who tacked right on certain issues and a true leftist disciple (Obama) who really believes leftism works. At heart I think Clinton knew that liberalism was a hoax, so he passed NAFTA, welfare reform, and cut capital gains taxes.

Clinton knew the left's philosophy was a hustle. Obama is a tru believer.

It's like seeing the difference between Kruschev and Marx in action.

42 posted on 11/14/2008 6:20:29 AM PST by Centurion2000 (To protect and defend ... against all enemies, foreign and domestic .... by any means necessary.)
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To: Centurion2000
Clinton knew the left's philosophy was a hustle.

Clinton was into "liberalism" because the women were easy.

43 posted on 11/14/2008 6:21:17 AM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, and Thuggery)
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To: McGavin999

Please. The minute we are attacked and Obama says to send in troops, the Lib congress will back him and cry that politics end at the waters edge.

They wat to be reelected. By saying no to going to war if we are attacked guarantees them they will lose the next election.

What we saw for 8 years was the politics of destruction and wanting to regain power. The rats sold out their country and the media was complicit. Once in power the media will be complicit again to assure that the rats hold on to power.


44 posted on 11/14/2008 6:39:31 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz ("Control the information, you control the people.")
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To: DoneWithDems
I was too young to vote when Clinton became president. Were people this freaked out when he became president?

No.

45 posted on 11/14/2008 8:44:30 AM PST by Lee N. Field (a dispensational exegesis not supported by an a-, post- or historic pre-mil scholar will be ignored.)
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To: reformedliberal
"running zero"

Clinton could be reasoned with to a certain extent. I have severe doubts about Obama. In an interview with Charles Gibson, Gibson asked him why he (Obama) wanted to raise cap gains taxes after it was proven lower cap gains rates brings in more government revenue. Obama opined that it might be true, but he was going to raise the rates anyway in the interests of "fairness."

46 posted on 11/14/2008 8:53:14 AM PST by driftless2
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To: Puzzleman

Ouch.


47 posted on 11/14/2008 8:59:31 AM PST by walford (http://the-big-pic.org)
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To: Puzzleman

The article hit the nail on the head. America was the world’s parent; protector, the generator of economies, and the leader of morality. With the US sliding into the toilet Europe has nothing to rest against, to rely on. Any invasion in Europe will be without our help as we will be too weak to do anything. Besides, those snotty bastards said we should stop playing the world’s policeman, and I agree. We should be isolationists. Europe should fend for itself. Anyone or anything screwing with the US should simply be nuked; no need to sacrifice a single American in any fight, just waste the pricks.


48 posted on 11/14/2008 9:03:38 AM PST by CodeToad
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To: fightinJAG
People will fight and die for freedom. Socialism isn’t freedom.

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History has shown us that people will fight and die for communism, marxism, socialism. One need only to remember Russia, China, Korea, Cuba, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Colombia, the southern states of Mexico, etc, to realize that socialism breeds war.

49 posted on 11/14/2008 9:06:06 AM PST by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: DoneWithDems
I was too young to vote when Clinton became president. Were people this freaked out when he became president?

I was far more freaked out by Carter. Carter is a buffoon. I believe history vindicated my paranoia. Clinton is basically a petty crook. Obama is a hardcore Marxist that freaks the sh1t out of me -- I don't expect to survive when his brownshirts come for my guns.

50 posted on 11/14/2008 10:15:09 AM PST by TexasRepublic (Comrade, can you spare a slice of bread?)
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