Posted on 11/14/2008 2:46:09 AM PST by Cindy
SNIPPET: "A French couple arrested in connection with a series of anarchist attacks on the country's rail network have been linked by the FBI to a bomb attack in New York."
ARTICLE SNIPPET: "French anti-terrorist police are holding 10 alleged members of a violent anarchist movement suspected of sabotaging power cables on high speed TGV train lines.
But it now transpires that the alleged culprits were netted thanks to information from the FBI, which allegedly linked two of them to the home-made bomb attack on an army recruitment centre in New York's Times Square in March.
Julien Coupat, 34, the suspected head of the "anarcho-autonomist" group, and his 25-year old girlfriend, known only as Yldune L, were stopped allegedly trying to enter Canada from the US illegally in January. It was claimed they were carrying anarchist texts in English and photos of an army recruitment centre in New York.
Although they had left the US before the bomb attack, they had allegedly been spotted shortly before at American anarchist meetings in New York. Tipped off by the FBI, France's domestic intelligence services and anti-terrorist police had been watching them for months in a tiny village in the Corrèze region, central France."
(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...
I bet Barack Obama is friends with them. They’re his type of people. And by that I mean terrorists.
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I was thinking along those lines...tired mind I guess...wondering if Ayers is going to or has written about this group.
I’ve never understood “anarchists.” What is their goal?
They can’t really want the breakdown of society, ‘cause none of them are suited to be anything more than parasites.
OPINION:
Generally speaking they are about chaos, terrorism, breaking things, hurting people... anarchists are about destroying and terrorism.
I've encountered a handful of anarchists when we were FReeping anti-war marches back in '03.
The impression I got as to what their goals are, since they tend to be mostly clueless individuals, was...
"I'm an anarchist because it makes me cool and so unique and rebellious and now all those people who laughed at me in school will be sooooo jealous of how cool I am."
I think that’s about it. Interestingly, anarchists have frequently been used as the sort of leading wedge by Communists - who then get rid of them once they take power. This happened in Russia and even in Spain in the 1930s.
Anarchists in Spain had been responsible for many political assassinations, destruction of churches, bloody attacks on nuns and priests, etc. and created chaos in the parts of Spain where they were active. They then fought alongside the Communists. However, in those parts of Spain where the Communists got power (Valencia, Madrid, Barcelona, etc.), the Communists turned around and immediately killed the anarchists. They were considered too “politically immature,” unreliable and unmanageable.
That’s a good analysis livius.
In today’s world, I believe that anarchists and gang bangers like MS13 may at times be useful idiots for other terror-related groups.
Yeah, they think they’re the bee’s knees until they’re hanging from a gibbet.
Yes, the “useful idiots” of the Left.
Had an occasion to discuss the future with a self-proclaimed anarchist at a party. Knowing his leanings before hand (how could I not, he practically shouted them from the rooftops every chance he could) I waxed poetic about MY visions of an anarchic future which was something taken straight from all of the Mad Max films I'd seen. I ended my reverie with, "but all I know is, I'll finally get to kill people..."
The look on Anarchy boy's face was priceless. He said, "But that's not what's supposed to happen in Anarchy -- no one will be mean to each other..." he looked as if someone had just strangled his puppy. "That shouldn't happen in my anarchy."
I smiled, "It's what will happen in MY anarchy."
Honestly, I think a lot of these folks have this warm, fuzzy idea of just not having to follow rules. That we'll all share our raisins and our weed and it will be like some big Dead show. We'd all be happy and free if we just didn't have to follow those mean, nasty rules... or something. At least that's what my Anarchist thought, and he could have been just particularly stupid.
He's now married, the father of a beautiful toddler and an adjunct professor at some small college in Boston -- and I don't think he's so much of an anarchist these days.
“...Generally speaking they are about chaos, terrorism, breaking things, hurting people... anarchists are about destroying and terrorism....”
Law of the jungle; only the strong survive; no gods, no governments; in short: They are fools.
But he is teaching our children to be anarchists, or leftists at best.
“...They are fools.”
Yep.
In college I knew a couple who styled themselves ‘anarchists’ and kept waiting for ‘the revolution’, talking about it ad nauseum. Funny, both of them were from extremely well connected, wealthy families in which the father either owned a thoroughbred farm or was an attorney.
I’d be willing to bet they’re enjoying their middle age in high style, just like Ayers, and reminiscing about the ‘good ole days’ while sipping vintage wines and soaking in the hot tub.
Well now, that was unexpected.
Yes, it seems like it has been global clean up lately.
wow
they where just some people from John Kerry’s neighborhood in France.
Should’ve known they were French, since they rode bicycles. No self-respecting American terrorist would be caught dead on a bicycle.
Well we all thought it was just some random leftist that left the bomb there. I don’t think any of us could have thought it would have been a French anarchist.
Sarkozy won’t take lightly to it. I imagine he may extradite the bastid to us.
well I was going to suggest extradition.
but the French are far more conservative than an Obama presidency and we have a better chance at justice from France.
what the hell is happening here?
“Honestly, I think a lot of these folks have this warm, fuzzy idea of just not having to follow rules. That we’ll all share our raisins and our weed and it will be like some big Dead show. We’d all be happy and free if we just didn’t have to follow those mean, nasty rules... or something. At least that’s what my Anarchist thought, and he could have been just particularly stupid.”
I don’t think any of them give much thought to what happens after they’ve scavenged the last can of dog food from the remains of the grocery store.
I think that mindset carries over into a lot of Dhim voters. They think some people are going to put extra work in just to get the same slice of pie that sloths get. That “from each/to each” thing doesn’t stand up well to reality.
I do hope your anarchist friend saw enough of the light to become a centrist if not a conservative.
Some think that social order is just a cultural artifact, and that absent the "cultural accident" that initiated societies, humans would wander in mating pairs plus young offspring. Don't ask me what these people want. Ignorant.
Some skip the thinking part and just want to sh*t on the floor. These people just want to break things, and most are either deranged or like to pretend to be. Some of these people may be drawn to criminality for a variety of reasons, but ultimately will blame their actions upon some ulterior lofty notions. Insane.
There is the anarcho-primitivist model, where rape and murder are approved social processes (or, at best ascribe something akin to 'street justice' to deal with any set of infractions against any set of rules that any individual respects), private property does not exist (beyond what one can defend), etc. Sometimes this model is intertwined with ecological arguments, arguments about the carrying capacity of habitats, and so on. Some put these flavors as distinct groups. Amoral, naive.
There is the anarcho-libertarian model, replete with all sorts of rosy assumptions about the good nature of man. These people generally start from a deeply flawed set of axioms and derive a perfectly logical theory of society.
Some think that "spontaneous order" will naturally form between humans as groups are formed and specialization is sought, and that our political impulses should be directed at minimizing the size and scope of these group interactions (involuntary especially, but some go as far as to dislike voluntary collaborations on large scales, for a variety of reasons). For some, one goal would be to suppress the formation of social groups beyond tribes (several hundred people). Idealistic.
The notion that the government is not the only entity capable of tyranny somehow escapes most in this set; though there is a sub-group of the above which accepts some limited government ("the night watchman state"), so are more aptly grouped together with the sane 'minarchists' but insist on clinging to the "anarchist" label. It is either semantics or I am not understanding something about their philosophy. Semantically confused.
I think the most common is the "angry rebel" model, which splits into two subgroups.
The first is composed of wealthy, bitter, guilt-ridden folks (mostly white youths, at least in the West) who want to establish that they are not personally responsible for some set of social ills - to absolve themselves of the 'crimes' of "their class". They blame the plight of the poor on their own wealth (a sort of zero-sum, self-flagellating fiction) and view the status quo (in its entirety) as something to blindly disrespect - sort of an anti-traditionalism more than being pro-anything. Targets of their ire are corporations, any authority figures, accumulated wealth in any form, private property, etc. Ecological themes are now commonly blended in, Marxism may or may not enter - this movement is distinctly NOT intellectual. The goal is to feel less guilty for their material wealth and privileged upbringing. Violence is not likely. Spoiled, immature.
Type-II anarchist rebels are either extremely poor or find themselves in some other unfavorable circumstances, and are uncommon (but not absent) in America (some in America like to envision themselves as being part of this group, but are most likely part of type-I). They blame their own plight on the prosperity of others, saying that they somehow must have been "exploited" for others to have benefited. These are the savages/ignorant masses used to bolster the ranks (and do the dirty work) of the Marxist intellectuals, and beyond all groups but the insane, are the most likely to resort to violence. Their goals are redistribution of wealth and the application of a penalty to the "exploiters" and/or "colonialists" - a Marxism without the philosophical underpinnings. Evil.
In summary, anarchists range from insane to evil to stupid to merely being confused about what to call themselves.
You can tell it’s a French anarchist, because their white flag has a SLIGHT pinkish hue.
Now wait a minute. There's no evidence that Obama even knew these terrorists so how could he be friends with them?
But now that he knows what they did, he may become friends with them based on your argument that they're his kind of people. I'll give you that.
Yet again, Americans have to read the European papers to find out what is going on in our own country! It is truly stunning.
One of the great oxymorons of our time - an anarchist association...
They are against government protection of the private property of anybody whose wealth they want to take. They consider themselves the vanguard of the communist revolution. They aren't really against government -- they are against liberty.
“They can’t really want the breakdown of society, ‘cause none of them are suited to be anything more than parasites.”
They want to die but are too cowardly to kill themselves.
“I’ve never understood “anarchists.” What is their goal? They can’t really want the breakdown of society, ‘cause none of them are suited to be anything more than parasites.”
I’ve never really understood why so many anarchists show up at left wing events. I thought the basic tenant of anarchy is a complete total lack of government authority - sort of like libertarianism gone wild.
But then again, a lot of my libertarian friends vote Democrat, too.
...go figure.
Wow. Nice of the MSM to tell America about this string of bombings...
Sound’s more like Chomsky’s crew to me.
the anarchists’ goals are:
1) not have to shower
2) unrelenting sex with anything and everyone
3) free tattoos
4) free drugs
5) no dress shirts or ties
6) free cable
7) better youtube posting skills
8) freedom to kill their parents
All in the name of personal choice to destroy oneself in a mindless manner, because,...well, they are disturbed.
Man, you answered more questions than I knew I had. Thanks!
APRIL 19, 2006 : (FRANCE : BOMB FOUND ON RAIL LINE) A bomb capable of damaging track and derailing a high-speed train was found on the Paris-Nantes rail line in western France yesterday [APRIL 19].Anti-terrorist police launched an investigation after the device, a plastic tube containing chlorate fuel wired to a battery-operated timer, was seen by a railway worker during a routine track inspection near Angers. There were no reports of any group admitting responsibility. One official said the timer had gone off without causing the bomb to explode, adding: “If it had done, it could have damaged the track and caused a derailment.” Two years ago, a group calling itself AZF tried to blackmail the French government by threatening to bomb TGV lines. One device was planted, but bore no resemblance to yesterday’s bomb.———— Bomb found on French railway ,” BY Colin Randall , The Daily Telegraph ^ | Thursday, April 20, 2006 |
SEPTEMBER 11, 2004 Sat : (REPORT : TURKEY : TRAIN BOMBER CAPTURED IN GAZIANTEP) - One of three terrorists who attempted to plant a bomb on railway bridge near Dortyol town of southern city of Hatay was captured in southeastern city of Gaziantep, sources said on Saturday. It was learned that the captured terrorist was preparing to bomb Gaziantep governor’s office. Sources told A.A correspondent that Anti-Terrorism Office and intelligence teams captured Adil Abi when he was checking the area around the governor’s office for a terrorist attack he was planning. Another person who was with Adi escaped. Sources noted that Adil Abi told police that he was among people who tried to... ——— “Turkey: One Of Terrorists Who Earlier Tried To Plant Bomb On Railway Arrested,” Anadolu Agency, The Turkish Press ^ |Monday, September 13 2004
FEBRUARY 21, 2004 : (FRANCE : AZF--See RAILROAD PLOTS) As a demonstration of intent, on Feb 21 the group directed the police to a bomb it says it hid beneath a railway line near Limoges. The police found a sophisticated timer and enough explosive to derail a train. ----- £2.8M Railway Ransom ," By Philip Delves Broughton in Paris, (Filed: 04/03/2004), The Telegraph (UK) ^ | Wednesday, March 03, 2004 [UK3-4-2004]
MARCH 1, 2004 MON PM : (FRANCE : GOVERNMENT ATTEMPT TP PAY AZF TERRORIST "RANSOM" FLOPS; AZF THREATENED TO SET OFF 10 PREPLANTED BOMBS IF THE GOVERNMENT OF FRANCE DOES NOT PAY UP --See RAILROAD PLOTS) A terrorist group is blackmailing the French government, threatening to explode 10 bombs it says are already planted beneath railway lines throughout France unless it receives a £2.8 million ransom. French gendarmes patrol railway lines after bomb threats The group, which calls itself AZF after a chemical factory that exploded in Toulouse in September 2001 killing 31 people, has been in contact with the interior ministry since December [2003] when it sent its first letter.
For several weeks, investigators and AZF have been swapping messages through letters, telephone calls, even the personals column of a newspaper....
On Monday night, the government sent a helicopter carrying the ransom to an airfield near Montargis, south of Paris. The terrorists said they would mark the spot where they wanted the money to be left with a white tarpaulin. The police said they could not find the marker in the dark. The inquiry into AZF has been turned over to France's leading anti-terrorist judge, Jean-Louis Brugiere
------ £2.8M Railway Ransom ," By Philip Delves Broughton in Paris, (Filed: 04/03/2004), The Telegraph (UK) ^ | Wednesday, March 03, 2004 [UK3-4-2004]
I'm not sure, but I'll ask at our next United Anarchists meeting. That is, when we do have one. We just can't seem to ever get organized enough to decide on a time and place. /S
MARCH 2008 : (NY : RECRUITING STATION BOMBING INVESTIGATION —) The police are also determining whether the bombing is linked to five other bombings in the past 11 years. Besides the 2005 British Consulate and October 2007 Mexican Consulate bombings, where a bicyclist threw a bomb in the 3-4 a.m. time period (and these bombs used black powder, like Thursday’s bomb), there’s also a 2000 bombing outside the Barclays Bank on Wall Street (an ammunition box - like the Times Square bomb - was used), a 1997 bomb outside 222 Broadway - across from City Hall - used “coffee cans packed with black powder” and another 1997 bombing using a coffee can outside of Planet Hollywood, when it was located on West 57th Street. -———Latest news from Gothamist blog, NYPD: Trashed Bike May Be Times Square Bomber’s http://gothamist.com/2008/03/08/nypd_trashed_bi.php
Nicely played!
I increasingly have the feeling that all modern society is about to descend into chaos.
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