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Free the GOP (Bigtime RINO Barf Alert)
Washington Post ^ | November 14, 2008 | Christine Todd Whitman and Robert M. Bostock

Posted on 11/14/2008 6:21:09 AM PST by rightwingintelligentsia

Four years ago, in the week after the 2004 presidential election, we were working furiously to put the finishing touches on the book we co-authored, "It's My Party Too: The Battle for the Heart of the GOP and the Future of America."

Our central thesis was simple: The Republican Party had been taken hostage by "social fundamentalists," the people who base their votes on such social issues as abortion, gay rights and stem cell research. Unless the GOP freed itself from their grip, we argued, it would so alienate itself from the broad center of the American electorate that it would become increasingly marginalized and find itself out of power.

At the time, this idea was roundly attacked by many who were convinced that holding on to the "base" at all costs was the way to go. A former speechwriter for President Bush, Matthew Scully, who went on to work for the McCain campaign this year, called the book "airy blather" and said its argument fell somewhere between "insufferable snobbery" and "complete cluelessness." Gary Bauer suggested that the book sounded as if it came from a "Michael Moore radical." National Review said its warnings were, "at best, counterintuitive," and Ann Coulter said the book was "based on conventional wisdom that is now known to be false."

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KEYWORDS: constitutionparty; deadelephants; gop; rino; socialconservatives
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1 posted on 11/14/2008 6:21:11 AM PST by rightwingintelligentsia
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Christine Todd Whitman is free to join the Rat party any time she chooses. She effectively governed as a Rat, anyway.


2 posted on 11/14/2008 6:22:03 AM PST by IMissPresidentReagan ("But obviously, a lot of shelter dogs are mutts like me." - 0bama (he said it not me folks))
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Hey Christy, Social Conservative did not give us GWB with 30% approval ratings....


3 posted on 11/14/2008 6:23:30 AM PST by Born In America (0bama, The Kenyan Clown; The star of the Socialism Circus on steroids....)
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To: IMissPresidentReagan

Christine Todd Whitman is a Vichy Republican.....

Chsty...go join the democRATS. We don’t want you here anymore.


4 posted on 11/14/2008 6:24:13 AM PST by Ouderkirk (Those who live by the sword risk being shot by those who don’t.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
worthless panty waists

What would these men do?


5 posted on 11/14/2008 6:25:03 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (Join the Constitution Party)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2132000/posts

“The Republican Party can either stand for smaller government, lower taxes and freer people, or it can rot in hell.”


6 posted on 11/14/2008 6:27:56 AM PST by tumblindice (Americas Founding Fathers, all armed conservatives)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
The Republican Party had been taken hostage by "social fundamentalists," the people who base their votes on such social issues as abortion, gay rights and stem cell research. Unless the GOP freed itself from their grip, we argued, it would so alienate itself from the broad center of the American electorate that it would become increasingly marginalized and find itself out of power.

John McCain was the "social moderate" candidate.

7 posted on 11/14/2008 6:28:14 AM PST by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: Born In America

Christine is making the woefully mistaken assumption that without social conservatives (and Palin) McCain would actually have won.

Au contraire. Without anti-abortion and traditional family voters, McCain would have barely registered a blip on the electoral screen.

She may think we’re an embarrassment to the GOP, but in fact without us there is very little difference between her wing of the party and the Democrats—just a question of degree.


8 posted on 11/14/2008 6:29:56 AM PST by rightwingintelligentsia
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

If the GOP has been “taken over” by “social fundamentalists”, then chances are its because they vastly outnumber the hedonists, making it their party, not yours Christine.


9 posted on 11/14/2008 6:29:59 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Nihil utile nisi quod honestum - Marcus Tullius Cicero)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
It's My Party Too

Yes, Christine. That's the problem, in a nutshell.

10 posted on 11/14/2008 6:30:15 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (G-d watch over and protect Sarah Palin and her family.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Such an “I Told You So” piece.

Maybe we should just change the name of the GOP to Democrat. We can be the “stealth” party. That will fool them.


11 posted on 11/14/2008 6:31:21 AM PST by Glenn (Free Venezuela!)
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To: The_Victor
John McCain was the "social moderate" candidate.

How'd that end up working out, anyway? Anybody know...? ;)

12 posted on 11/14/2008 6:31:44 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (G-d watch over and protect Sarah Palin and her family.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Christine Todd Whitman is a PARTY POOPER! Please stop pooping in our party's nest - the stench has become unbearable!!!


13 posted on 11/14/2008 6:32:43 AM PST by alicewonders
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

RE : “alienate itself from the broad center of the American electorate”

Thats great. The media got us to drive out anyone that believes in capitalism, so now they need us to drive out the remaining Christians.

The media picked McCain, NOT ME! I never could stand the guy. Now we get these lectures.


14 posted on 11/14/2008 6:34:44 AM PST by sickoflibs ( Those who don't learn from (real big) mistakes are losers forever)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Christine is making the woefully mistaken assumption that without social conservatives (and Palin) McCain would actually have won.

Sigh........I can see now that the only way to show these doltish muddle-brained village idiots that without social conservatives they would literally be like the Whigs......is to just let them sink on their own. If we stopped voting for the "lesser of two evils" & let them try to win with their moderates - they will lose so big that they will be vanquished in the wilderness forever. We have got to stop "enabling" these fools.

15 posted on 11/14/2008 6:36:06 AM PST by alicewonders
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Not a single moderate Republican is left in office in New England. If centrism wins elections, the GOP should have a lot of moderates in office today. In fact, its just the opposite. The party keeps shedding moderates with every election cycle.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

16 posted on 11/14/2008 6:37:12 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Christine is making the woefully mistaken assumption that without social conservatives (and Palin) McCain would actually have won.

Correct, in fact to take it a bit further, she could argue he may have been elected had he change his party affiliation to D instead of R. She may consider herself a Republican I do not but, she is far from a Conservative and that suits me just fine.

17 posted on 11/14/2008 6:39:12 AM PST by Born In America (0bama, The Kenyan Clown; The star of the Socialism Circus on steroids....)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Yeah, I saw this POS in a print copy of the Post this morning.

Don’t waste your time. It’s not worth reading.

DO remember the names Whitman and Bostock, though. No more votes or support for EITHER of them. EVER.


18 posted on 11/14/2008 6:39:46 AM PST by WayneS (Cynic? I prefer "Realist")
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To: alicewonders
Sigh........I can see now that the only way to show these doltish muddle-brained village idiots that without social conservatives they would literally be like the Whigs......is to just let them sink on their own.

We did that. TWICE, now ('06 and '08).

And they still haven't learned!

19 posted on 11/14/2008 6:40:03 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (G-d watch over and protect Sarah Palin and her family.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Pure slight of hand:

The Republican Party had been taken hostage by "social fundamentalists," the people who base their votes on such social issues as abortion, gay rights and stem cell research.

There is one issue that binds people who tend to be Republican - restrain of government power. Everything else is a distraction. Todd and these guys are BIG GOVERNMENT enablers. THEY are killing the party.

20 posted on 11/14/2008 6:40:57 AM PST by DManA
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Unless the Republican Party ends its self-imposed captivity to social fundamentalists, it will spend a long time in the political wilderness.

Hmmm ... as I recall, it was Reagan, running on a platform that appealed to social conservatives, that pulled the GOP OUT of the wilderness and made it into a majority party. Prior to Reagan, East Coast pubbies in the mold of Whitman were perfectly content for the GOP to be a perpetual minority party. This hag has her history all wrong (surprise).

21 posted on 11/14/2008 6:45:22 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Clearly the problem was that we were TOO conservative.

CTW couldn’t run suppertime at Sarah Palin’s house.


22 posted on 11/14/2008 6:45:37 AM PST by Massghanistani
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To: IMissPresidentReagan

She came thru on the 30% tax cuts here but other than that she is the poster child for Northeast Liberal Republicans.


23 posted on 11/14/2008 6:45:41 AM PST by capydick ("History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid".)
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To: FreeAtlanta
...I've been a third party conservative since 1972. The issues are what I focus on. I voted for Ron Paul for president, 08. I respect the veiws of the Constitution Party, but, I'm registered Libertarian. My question, can conservative third parties join to break the backs of the two parties that are really one party of leftists and rightists???
24 posted on 11/14/2008 6:47:57 AM PST by gargoyle (..."If this be treason, make the most of it.". Patrick Henry...)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

How did those “Social Conservative” initiatives do on the ballot in CA and FL. Seems to me, even in the Blue States the majority of people don’t share Whitman’s opinion.


25 posted on 11/14/2008 6:48:48 AM PST by NavVet ( If you don't defend Conservatism in the Primaries, you won't have it to defend in November)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
I wish either these Rino’s would leave our party or we would have an alternative to the new “Lib-GOP”. I don't care to associate with these people.

Did hey not get that the reason McCain got anywhere near the 57,000,000 votes was because of Palin? If McCain had put someone like Lieberman or Todd-Whitman on the ticket we would have been lucky to get 30 million vote.

Are they that stupid?

I'm looking into the American Conservative Party (http://americanconservativeparty.org/)

If it comes to it, I will likely be able to say, “I did not leave the Republican party the Republican party left me.”

26 posted on 11/14/2008 6:50:32 AM PST by 80sReaganite (Where is our Ronaldus Magnus....?)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Given this year's election, a better title would have been:

"It's My Party and I'll Cry If I Want To".
27 posted on 11/14/2008 6:53:04 AM PST by FrankR (Operation Tightbelt...he can't redistribute what isn't there...stop all un-necessary spending.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

PING


28 posted on 11/14/2008 6:54:03 AM PST by HighlyOpinionated (Psalm 66:7b "He watches every movement of the nations. Rebels will not be able to oppose Him.")
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To: IMissPresidentReagan
Christine Todd Whitman is free to join the Rat party any time she chooses.

She, along with McCain, are part of the Republican Main Street Partnership. They are running a shadow party within the party.

Prior to the 2006 elections they had 5 governors and a lot more House members. Although, it looks like they had some gains in the House in 2008 as their number was in the 30's the past two years.

29 posted on 11/14/2008 7:04:46 AM PST by Just A Nobody (I *LOVE* my Attitude Problem - NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

If the Dems had run a candidate that was pro-life, for smaller government, supported our right to bear arms, understood our nation was founded by godly men that were Christians, and accept, we are a Christian nation, I would have voted for a Democrat.
“Blessed is the nation, whose God is the Lord,....” (Psalm 33:12)


30 posted on 11/14/2008 7:08:27 AM PST by LetMarch (If a man knows the right way to live, and does not live it, there is no greater coward--Anonymous))
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

As opposed to “fiscal fundamentalists” who have given us a national debt of $10,625,198,211,000.00, with a falling GDP and increasing unemployment!

Way to go, RINOs!


31 posted on 11/14/2008 7:08:29 AM PST by SwinneySwitch (ObamaNation - beyond your expectations.)
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To: 80sReaganite; pissant; EternalVigilance
Are they that stupid?
YES!

FALCON Party.

America's Independent Party.

32 posted on 11/14/2008 7:11:23 AM PST by Just A Nobody (I *LOVE* my Attitude Problem - NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
You can't do anything without us Christie, except lose...
33 posted on 11/14/2008 7:12:19 AM PST by Clint N. Suhks (Palin/Jindal '12---Now dog gone it, you betcha!)
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To: Just A Nobody

Members list from their webpage:

Elected Officials

U.S. Senate

Sen. Norm Coleman, Minnesota

Sen. Susan Collins, Maine

Sen. John McCain, Arizona

Sen. Gordon Smith, Oregon

Sen. Olympia Snowe, Maine

Sen. Arlen Specter, Pennsylvania

U.S. House

Rep. Judy Biggert, Illinois

Rep. Brian Bilbray, California

Rep. Mary Bono, California

Rep. Ginny Brown-Waite, Florida

Rep. Ken Calvert, California

Rep. Dave Camp, Michigan

Rep. Shelley Moore Capito, West Virginia

Rep. Michael Castle, Delaware

Rep. Thomas Davis, III, Virginia

Rep. Charlie Dent, Pennsylvania

Rep. Lincoln Diaz-Balart, Florida

Rep. Mario Diaz-Balart, Florida

Rep. David Dreier, California

Rep. Vernon Ehlers, Michigan

Rep. Jo Ann Emerson, Missouri

Rep. Phil English, Pennsylvania

Rep. Rodney Frelinghuysen, New Jersey

Rep. Jim Gerlach, Pennsylvania

Rep. Wayne Gilchrest, Maryland

Rep. David Hobson, Ohio

Rep. Timothy Johnson, Illinois

Rep. Mark Kirk, Illinois

Rep. Joe Knollenberg, Michigan

Rep. John R. Kuhl, New York

Rep. Ray LaHood, Illinois

Rep. Steven LaTourette, Ohio

Rep. Jerry Lewis, California

Rep. Frank LoBiondo, New Jersey

Rep. Jim McCrery, Louisiana

Rep. Thomas Petri, Wisconsin

Rep. Todd Platts, Pennsylvania

Rep. Jon Porter, Nevada

Rep. Deborah Pryce, Ohio

Rep. Jim Ramstad, Minnesota

Rep. Ralph Regula, Ohio

Rep. Dave Reichert, Washington

Rep. Jim Saxton, New Jersey

Rep. Christopher Shays, Connecticut

Rep. Michael Turner, Ohio

Rep. Fred Upton, Michigan

Rep. Greg Walden, Oregon

Rep. James Walsh, New York

Rep. Jerry Weller, Illinois

Rep. Heather Wilson, New Mexico

Governors

Gov. Linda Lingle, Hawaii

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, California
Member Spotlight
Susan Collins Senator, Maine


34 posted on 11/14/2008 7:13:31 AM PST by IMissPresidentReagan ("But obviously, a lot of shelter dogs are mutts like me." - 0bama (he said it not me folks))
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Because America needs two Democrat Parties - Left and Lefter.
35 posted on 11/14/2008 7:13:48 AM PST by andy58-in-nh (Liberty has few friends, many enemies, and no adequate substitute.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
It's time to take back the GOP from the left-wing, eastern elites! They're killing the party!

Find out who the poobahs are in your State.

NO MORE OPEN PRIMARIES!
36 posted on 11/14/2008 7:14:48 AM PST by jellybean (Who is John Galt? ~ Proud Ann-droid and a Steyn-aholic)
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To: IMissPresidentReagan
-- Christine Todd Whitman is free to join the Rat party any time she chooses. --

As far as I'm concerned, she can camp with the rotting corpse of the GOP as an alternative. Either way, she's never going to get support from me. Same goes for the rest of that odious "Republican Main Street" gang - not a dime of support, not a minute of time, never a vote from me. If I knew how to put them in the unemployment line, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

37 posted on 11/14/2008 7:16:59 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Yes, Whitman’s going the wrong direction.

But for my own sanity, can someone refute her numbers for me? She says McCain lost 6.4 million moderate votes. OK, but didn’t McCain also lose because conservatives didn’t vote? Anyone have a link to that analysis?


38 posted on 11/14/2008 7:17:44 AM PST by ReaganGeneration
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
How'd that end up working out, anyway? Anybody know...?

He lost, I heard. Pretty decidedly. Not embarrassingly, like Bob Dole, but a pretty resounding "flop".

Whitman and the Neocons want to go running after the Dems and the MSM crying pitifully, "Me too! Me too!"

They've accepted a liberal "ground rule": "We own the press, and so we make the rules."

That will never, ever be a winning formula. The alternative is to step up, do the right thing, and take the heat from the MSM hatemongers.

Conservatives ought to be in confab right now with Brent Bozell and his MRC, and Topic A ought to be, "How can we disarticulate the liberal media cartel?" After all, Nancy Pelosi and her commissariat are losing sleep trying study up ways to do in Rush and Hannity. Why shouldn't we examine similar possibilities for seeing to it that the Dinosaur Media accelerate their exit from the American political stage?

39 posted on 11/14/2008 7:18:51 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

“If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.” — Thomas Jefferson

What the Public Education ‘system’ teaches

Young and Ignorant — and Voting

At least, you may think to yourself, we are not getting any dumber. But by some measures we are. Young people by many measures know less today than young people forty years ago. And their news habits are worse. Newspaper reading went out in the sixties along with the Hula Hoop. Just 20% of young Americans between the ages of 18 and 34 read a daily paper. And that isn’t saying much. There’s no way of knowing what part of the paper they’re reading. It is likelier to encompass the comics and a quick glance at the front page.

Young people today find the news irrelevant. Bored by politics, students shun the rituals of civic life, voting in lower numbers than other Americans (though a small up-tick in civic participation showed up in recent surveys). U.S. Census data indicate that voters aged 18 to 24 turn out in low numbers. In 1972, when 18 year olds got the vote, 52% cast a ballot. In subsequent years, far fewer voted: in 1988, 40%; in 1992, 50%; in 1996, 35%; in 2000, 36%. In 2004, despite the most intense get-out-the-vote effort ever focused on young people, just 47% took the time to cast a ballot.

Rick Shenkman


40 posted on 11/14/2008 7:19:14 AM PST by IrishMike (Barry Soetoro has demonstrated that he is a shenanigans man !)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

I would argue that the upper class members like Whitman (which create the “party of the rich” stereotype) are far more of a problem for the Republican Party than social conservatives. Remember that Hispanics and blacks in California supported the anti-gay marriage ballot measure even more than white people did.


41 posted on 11/14/2008 7:19:57 AM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Clueless. I'm not even that socially conservative, but there can be no electoral victory without the conservative fusion of libertarian-leaners, social conservatives, and fiscal conservatives. Social conservatism is a non-negotiable aspect of the Republican party - unless you want to lose to Democrats forever. GOP minus social conservatives might get 25% of the vote, tops. We would be cannibalized by third-party efforts and crippled by a huge portion of traditional GOP voters simply staying home (it has happened before and would happen again).

If the current brand of social conservatism turns off too many moderates, the answer to calls that the GOP wants to 'legislate morality' is to perform a subtle shift in methods (not a shift in conviction) - we direct our efforts more to stopping the government from legislating immorality, and couch the argument in terms of freedom of assembly, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and so on. The same end folks - depravity only exists in such quantities by our sponsoring of it and its fruit. Failure is self-limiting when not subsidized. This is the core reason why the fusion makes sense - that we all agree that bad behavior (exists and) should not be rewarded or condoned, and that good behavior should be at least met with its natural rewards. Differences exist with the details, but we all agree on those grounds. The Democrats do not, the left does not.

This shift would not turn off moderates, and would help consolidate the other legs of the conservative movement (by highlighting policies at the confluence of our shared goals). A turn to federalism would further consolidate the party on all fronts, and be abstract enough not to cause mushy moderates to flee to the Democrats.

The main problem was (and is) that the GOP drifted on a host of issues, and self-proclamations of fiscal responsibility (for example) rang hollow - people hate hypocrisy, and the Republicans delivered it in spades on several fronts with trillions in DEFICITS (not even debts!!!). The media was handed trillions of rounds of ammunition, and bought from us miles of rope.

Smaller federal government, less federal spending, lower federal taxes, ample latitude left available to state governments, responsible and transparent monetary policy, and a renewed push toward personal responsibility. Opt-outs for entitlement programs, resetting federal policies on a host of morality issues to the null position (knowing full well that states occupied by moral people will adopt moral policies, while other states will wallow in filth and depravity without dragging the rest of us down).

If Obama follows a Clintonian style of not rocking the boat too much, the major problem the GOP will face is convincing the electorate that it can deliver on these fronts - and not instead deliver what it did when it recently controlled all branches of federal government - don't give me that BS about not having a filibuster-proof majority; those years were squandered, that political capital was wasted, that mandate was spent on bread and circuses. Two SC judges and a tax cut aside, it was 6 years of waste and 2 years of insanity.

That new style of "big-government" Wilsonian Republican party was a total failure, a throw-back to the Democrats of the 1960's. Back to basics, back to Reagan and Goldwater.

42 posted on 11/14/2008 7:20:41 AM PST by M203M4 (True Universal Suffrage: Pets of dead illegal-immigrant felons voting Democrat (twice))
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
It's women like Christine Todd Witless that further proves that the 19th Amendment was a HUGH mistake and should be repealed.



43 posted on 11/14/2008 7:21:27 AM PST by Condor51 (Obama believes in Karl Marx. I believe in Sun Tzu.)
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To: IMissPresidentReagan
I wish I would have copied and saved their member list prior to the '06 election! They sustained quite a few losses. Mike DewHine for one. Pataki from NY was one of their governors.

I always check the list when an alleged "R" is promoting something stupid. Generally speaking, I find them on that member list.

44 posted on 11/14/2008 7:27:44 AM PST by Just A Nobody (I *LOVE* my Attitude Problem - NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: DManA
There is one issue that binds people who tend to be Republican - restrain of government power. Everything else is a distraction

Absolutely. Take a look at the congress that sits right now. the Majority are big government statists. They wish themselves trillions of dollars, and deny all accountability. Freedom and Self Rule are strange ideas to them. They are at an all time low in public approval, yet they are rewarded with an even larger majority, and the executive to boot. Without real opposition, I might add, since the Republican party is factionalized enough to no longer be a stong opponent to those who wish to cut up this country and sell it at scrap value. The author of this article represents one of those factions, the 'democrat' faction. If we are this confused, I can't expect the electorate to be any better. But 'permanent minority', to me, is a grotesque term. I don't want anything to do with it. Time to get to work.

45 posted on 11/14/2008 7:41:06 AM PST by Skid Marx
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To: Just A Nobody

Thanks for sharing - I think I will check the list as well. Luckily Kentucky has not been invaded by these yellow Republicans.

I don’t get the moderates, at all. You cannot be a “moderate” on every issue; and if you are then you really have no core beliefs, imho. I realize the world is not “black and white”; but for the most part, it is impossible to be middle of the road of most political issues. If you are, you are just too weak to make up your mind.


46 posted on 11/14/2008 7:52:45 AM PST by IMissPresidentReagan ("But obviously, a lot of shelter dogs are mutts like me." - 0bama (he said it not me folks))
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
WTF
Is she just miffed that the GOP has not yet identified itself as a babykiller party, like the jackass party has?
Can you imagine her stomping her feet in a tantrum, "Why can't we be like them?!! Why can't we?!!!
47 posted on 11/14/2008 7:56:34 AM PST by XR7
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Christine Todd Whitman can go any time she wants.


48 posted on 11/14/2008 8:00:49 AM PST by bmwcyle (Primary support for McCain and Huck showed complete stupidity)
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To: wmfights; P-Marlowe; Conservativegreatgrandma; enat

These are the people who we want to finance.

Riiight!


49 posted on 11/14/2008 8:04:50 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: IMissPresidentReagan

Rev 3:14 “To the angel of the church in Laodicea write:

These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God’s creation. 15 I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! 16 So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth. 17 You say, ‘I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.’ But you do not realise that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked. 18 I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see.


50 posted on 11/14/2008 8:09:05 AM PST by incredulous in PA
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