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Guns are 'flying off the shelf'
Las Vegas Review-Journal ^ | 14 nov 08

Posted on 11/14/2008 10:58:06 AM PST by rellimpank

It's been a week and a half since Barack Obama was elected president. He won't take office for another two months. But he's already got one big group of Americans on their feet.

What is Barack Obama's position on the right to bear arms? Sen. Obama's campaign Web site says he "respects the constitutional rights of Americans to bear arms." It promises he will "protect the rights of hunters and other law-abiding Americans to purchase, own, transport and use guns."

Seeking to reassure gun owners, Mr. Obama told a campaign audience in Ohio in October: "I will not take your shotgun away. I will not take your rifle away. I won't take your handgun away."

But the crowds mobbing America's gun stores this week say a large number of Americans -- including first-time gun buyers -- don't believe him.

In 2003, while serving in the Illinois Legislature, Mr. Obama voted in favor of a bill in the Judiciary Committee that would have made it illegal to "knowingly manufacture, deliver or possess" so-called "semi-automatic assault weapons," reports Chris Cox, chief lobbyist for the National Rifle Association. "Under this bill, a firearm did not actually have to be semi-automatic to be banned. According to definitions in the bill, all single-shot and double-barreled shotguns 28-gauge or larger, and many semi-automatic shotguns of the same size, would be banned as 'assault weapons.'

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events
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To: Terry Mross

Stacked prepositional objects can go either way.

To disambiguate, should be placed on either side of the verb.

“For my own protection from the mobs, I bought one [from...].

Anyway, in order to reduce the recoil of my M44/7.62x54R, I have to order a better butt plate.


51 posted on 11/14/2008 11:34:30 AM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurtureĀ™)
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To: IYAS9YAS
More than likely, they'll quit rather than try.

I've often wondered how many supposedly "pro-gun" policemen, federal agents, etc. are really pro-gun. How many of them will flat-out refuse to enforce gun or ammunition confiscation "laws"?

52 posted on 11/14/2008 11:34:37 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: IYAS9YAS

The point here really is that many of us got weary of this crap under Clinton and now (where is the photo of the guy smacking his forehead?) it is this crap all over again.


53 posted on 11/14/2008 11:35:04 AM PST by wastoute
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To: Xenophon450

Thanks to everyone!


54 posted on 11/14/2008 11:35:20 AM PST by Adder (typical basicly decent bitter white person)
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To: Terry Mross
I wrote “didn’t” as “din’t” Sounds like a black girl. Earlier I saw a post where “trillion” was written “trillin”. Is this stuff contagious?

A lot of people are really mad, and it's hard to type well when you are this angry!

55 posted on 11/14/2008 11:36:15 AM PST by Travis T. OJustice (Change is not a destination, just as hope is not a strategy.)
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To: Ben A. Lurkin
Better than the NRA.

http://www.gunowners.org/
56 posted on 11/14/2008 11:36:35 AM PST by Sig Sauer P220 (Thanks to the robber barons in D.C. and on Wall St. I've been forced to become a minimalist.)
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To: rellimpank
Mr. Obama told a campaign audience in Ohio in October: "I will not take your shotgun away. I will not take your rifle away. I won't take your handgun away."

He also said:“Even if I want to take them away, I don’t have the votes in Congress’'.

He's real close to getting those votes.

57 posted on 11/14/2008 11:36:39 AM PST by Joiseydude (Let the Hero, born of woman, crush the serpent with his heel,)
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To: Puppage
You can relax, he won't take our guns away.

He'll just get the Congress to pass a $1000 tax on each box of ammunition. That'll do the trick. No 2nd Amendment problems.

58 posted on 11/14/2008 11:36:48 AM PST by Deo volente (On January 20, 2009 America moves to DEFCON 2.)
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To: caseinpoint
The nice big guys from ATF will do it.

The atf better call in an air strike first.

59 posted on 11/14/2008 11:37:22 AM PST by do the dhue (They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards. General Creighton Abrams)
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To: rellimpank

For my compatriots in the Virginia branch of the Conservative Resistance, the Richmond Gun Show runs tomorrow and Sunday 9-4 at the Raceway!


60 posted on 11/14/2008 11:37:52 AM PST by ScottinVA (Gloucester County, VA -- Standing for America! 63% for McCain-Palin on 4 Nov)
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To: lovecraft

Thanks for the tip, I’ll check them out. My wife wants a pistol also so she may get a heavy Christmas present this year.


61 posted on 11/14/2008 11:39:32 AM PST by Reagan is King (Every immigrant who comes here should be required within five years to learn English or leave.)
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To: Joiseydude
I don’t have the votes in Congress’'.

He's real close to getting those votes.

True. Even if he gets the votes, He's still gotta collect the guns, and that, my friend,< /McCain> ain't gonna be easy.

62 posted on 11/14/2008 11:41:47 AM PST by Doomonyou (Let them eat lead.)
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To: Deo volente
You can relax, he won't take our guns away

Don't believe it for a second.

63 posted on 11/14/2008 11:41:49 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: WayneS
I bought another one today.

A sweet little .38 Special revolver with 4” barrel. It's the perfect gun for teaching my wife how to shoot. (I told her I was buying it for her. She said she would let me use it, too.:) )

We have long guns fairly well covered, it's just that none of them are “black rifles”.

I'm concentrating on filling out our pistol collection because that's what I can afford right now and I do believe that Obama will be coming after hand guns after he bans evil scary looking rifles.

64 posted on 11/14/2008 11:42:10 AM PST by 2111USMC
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To: rellimpank

I wonder how many of these new gun buyers forget to buy the most important accessory.

Plenty of ammo!!


65 posted on 11/14/2008 11:43:18 AM PST by airborne (Adversity doesn't build character. It reveals it!)
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To: airborne

Gun shows all over the country this weekend, go buy a couple cases. No ID, no papers.


66 posted on 11/14/2008 11:46:50 AM PST by Concho (Bitterly Clinging to Guns and Religion)
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To: airborne

Gun shows all over the country this weekend, go buy a couple cases. No ID, no papers.


67 posted on 11/14/2008 11:46:53 AM PST by Concho (Bitterly Clinging to Guns and Religion)
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To: 2111USMC

I recently bought the last “black” rifle on my wish list so I’m pretty well covered on “assault” weapons.

There are still some more handguns and a couple lever action rifles (which COULD end up on Obeyme’s banned list too due to ammo capacity) which I would like to get while they can still be had.

Does your new .38 use .38+P and/or .357 mag also?


68 posted on 11/14/2008 11:47:08 AM PST by WayneS (Cynic? I prefer "Realist")
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To: airborne

I’ve been re-loading handgun ammo like a mad-man for the last month.


69 posted on 11/14/2008 11:47:57 AM PST by WayneS (Cynic? I prefer "Realist")
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To: rellimpank

Bami ain’t got the power to git ma guns. As long as I’m alive anyway.


70 posted on 11/14/2008 11:49:01 AM PST by devistate one four (H I V Homophobia Is Vindicated)
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To: steve86

I just put a cheap slip-on recoil pad on my M91/30. Works pretty good. I can run 40 to 60 rounds through it in one afternoon without any problems.


71 posted on 11/14/2008 11:49:49 AM PST by 2111USMC
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To: Concho

You betcha!


72 posted on 11/14/2008 11:49:55 AM PST by airborne (Adversity doesn't build character. It reveals it!)
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To: Texas Fossil
On Nov. 4, 2008 we witnessed a Communist takeover of the U.S. government.

I don't know about that. Sometimes a persons imagination can be his/her own worst enemy, but I do believe people can "sense" when something big is coming or when something doesn't seem right.
In this case, they feel the need to be armed in order to protect themselves from whatever it is they sense. Sometimes, they do know what it is they fear, but the fear is real nevertheless. They "know" something isn't right.

People are also running for comfort food. They want to go back in time when they felt secure. They don't want to face what's coming - whatever it is.

73 posted on 11/14/2008 11:51:57 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: WayneS
Does your new .38 use .38+P and/or .357 mag also?

Not sure about the .357 mag. He did tell me it was fine for .38+P. I'll have to confirm that when I pick it up on Monday.

74 posted on 11/14/2008 11:58:29 AM PST by 2111USMC
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To: concerned about politics
In this case, they feel the need to be armed in order to protect themselves from whatever it is they sense. Sometimes, they do know what it is they fear, but the fear is real nevertheless. They "know" something isn't right.

Well put.

75 posted on 11/14/2008 11:58:35 AM PST by KittenClaws
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To: Havok

I don’t even know how to load a gun, much less use one.


76 posted on 11/14/2008 11:58:48 AM PST by unkus
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To: ArrogantBustard

Well, let’s look at the record. The largest gun roundup in US history took place after the Katrina Incident. How many law enforcement agents refused to participate?

There’s your answer.


77 posted on 11/14/2008 12:00:03 PM PST by Mountain Troll
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To: Mountain Troll

You make a sad, but unfortunately accurate, point.


78 posted on 11/14/2008 12:02:26 PM PST by WayneS (Cynic? I prefer "Realist")
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To: WayneS
Agreed.

I've got another SKS inbound, and am going to the gun shop to buy an HK P7 in a few minutes:

It'll be *sweet*.

79 posted on 11/14/2008 12:05:35 PM PST by TonyInOhio (The people have spoken, the bastards.)
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To: unkus

Right, I had a few guns, but I sold them all and have now bought just one .357 Rossi and a 20 gauge Maverick shotgun. Both are nicely registered now, so the LEOs will have no trouble coming to collect them.


80 posted on 11/14/2008 12:07:25 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: aWolverine

BTW forgot to welcome you to FR the other day.......


81 posted on 11/14/2008 12:07:38 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: steve86

They do have a bit of recoil, don’t they?


82 posted on 11/14/2008 12:08:38 PM PST by WayneS (Cynic? I prefer "Realist")
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To: TonyInOhio

uuuhhhhh.....gun porn. Thanks for pic!


83 posted on 11/14/2008 12:08:43 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Sig Sauer P220

If you are in Virginia, try the Virginia Citizens Defense League (VCDL). VERY good organization.


84 posted on 11/14/2008 12:09:41 PM PST by WayneS (Cynic? I prefer "Realist")
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To: All
It's nice to have a good scope, too. If you ever have to hunt, a scope will guarantee you a better shot.
85 posted on 11/14/2008 12:10:45 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: unkus

You should learn.

Political, self-defense, and 2nd Amendment issues aside, shooting is just plain FUN!


86 posted on 11/14/2008 12:12:26 PM PST by WayneS (Cynic? I prefer "Realist")
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To: AirForceMom
Hubby went downtown yesterday to the pistol bureau to add his latest acquisition. He has had a concealed carry permit since 1986. Or so he thought. Clerk told him the judge who issued it has retired and he no longer has a CC permit. He was given a 4 page questionnaire to fill out to possibly get it restored.

Let me get this straight. In your state when an issuing judge retires, his rulings are void? That's insane.

87 posted on 11/14/2008 12:13:52 PM PST by pabianice
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To: unkus

>I don’t even know how to load a gun, much less use one.

Just like Windows, Point and Click user interface.


88 posted on 11/14/2008 12:14:56 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: rellimpank

89 posted on 11/14/2008 12:17:04 PM PST by avacado
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To: Mountain Troll

>Well, let’s look at the record. The largest gun roundup in US history took place after the Katrina Incident.
>How many law enforcement agents refused to participate?
>
>There’s your answer.

Question: If the ‘officer’ shows up at your doorstep and wants to take your weapon, ala Katrina, would it be ok to shoot him for violating [or trying to] your 2nd Amendment Rights?

Keep in mind that it is also an unreasonable search and seizure.


90 posted on 11/14/2008 12:17:41 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: pabianice

>Let me get this straight. In your state when an issuing judge retires, his rulings are void? That’s insane.

More than insane. Take that lying b@stid [clerk] to court!


91 posted on 11/14/2008 12:19:39 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Mountain Troll

Right.

That is my answer ... I don’t like it, but it is undeniable.


92 posted on 11/14/2008 12:21:07 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: WayneS

I have one of these for when the SHTF:

[IMG]http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e223/cgaengineer/700pltr.jpg[/IMG]

The LTR will keep them at bay while my wife loads this:

[IMG]http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e223/cgaengineer/BCWA2F-14AK_l.jpg[/IMG]

I just called Georgia Arms and they are out of .223 and currently have over 1200 orders to fulfill. The lady said she has not ever seen it this busy.


93 posted on 11/14/2008 12:23:04 PM PST by .308 PSS
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To: Mountain Troll
BTW, there's a story about that in the latest "America's First Freedom" ... Court finally ordered NOPD to return the guns.

Funny thing ... the worthless bastards stored them in garbage cans, in a poorly ventilated trailer. For years. In southern Louisiana.

Guess what? They're all rusted and moldy.

Did I mention that NOPD are worthelss bastards?

94 posted on 11/14/2008 12:24:16 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Gaffer
Like you Gaffer I'm old too and don't look forward to being in the trench's again, but I detest the idea of turning over my weapons even more.
I just wonder where this generations “Lincoln Green” will be? Wherever it is, we have to hang together or the forces of this socialist tyrant will hang us individually that's for damn sure.
95 posted on 11/14/2008 12:24:17 PM PST by Reflex (Hang together or Hang seperately!)
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To: .308 PSS

Can a mod please fix my pictures link?


96 posted on 11/14/2008 12:24:18 PM PST by .308 PSS
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To: OneWingedShark

That’s New York!!!!


97 posted on 11/14/2008 12:24:49 PM PST by WayneS (Cynic? I prefer "Realist")
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To: WayneS

So, isn’t lying while in execution of official duties punishable?


98 posted on 11/14/2008 12:26:38 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: concerned about politics

I am convinced that the problem is a lot more real than you think.

Time will tell, and it won’t take long.


99 posted on 11/14/2008 12:26:53 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Travis McGee

He didn’t lie. Come on.....read what he said. He said he would not take them away under the constitution. He will take them away under his UN bill that is waiting to be passed due to inaction.


100 posted on 11/14/2008 12:27:19 PM PST by proudtobeanamerican1 (God Bless Sarah, John, their families and the conservative voters)
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