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An insider's story: Why Barack Obama was not Swift Boated
LAT ^ | today | Dan Morain

Posted on 11/14/2008 1:20:38 PM PST by winoneforthegipper

“There simply wasn’t the donor base to support it,” McCarthy said. And there are some rather interesting reasons why not. One, the federal campaign finance law that John McCain helped write has made it increasingly difficult to fund independent campaigns legally. Thus, McCain’s own law was used against him.

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; 527groups; bho2008; fundraising; mccain; obama; palin
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So in effect John surrender on two fronts of campaign financing! Very interesting!
1 posted on 11/14/2008 1:20:42 PM PST by winoneforthegipper
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To: winoneforthegipper

Ah yes! McCain Feingold. Hung on his own petard.

(in the voice of WC Fields. Whats a petard?)


2 posted on 11/14/2008 1:22:30 PM PST by BlueStateBlues (Blue State for business, Red State at heart..)
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To: winoneforthegipper

Baloney. The original swift boaters operated under the same laws.

But its fun noting that McCain’s campaign finance law has made it impossible to know where Obama’s funding came from.


3 posted on 11/14/2008 1:22:45 PM PST by marron
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To: winoneforthegipper

He couldn’t be Swift Boated because he never served. He thought about serving once, as he told Stephanopolus. I guess that means the Republicans just thought about Swift Boating him, too.


4 posted on 11/14/2008 1:23:31 PM PST by edpc
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To: winoneforthegipper

McCain’s own law was used against him.


5 posted on 11/14/2008 1:23:37 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Obama ripped W a New Tone.)
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To: winoneforthegipper

He couldn’t be Swift Boated by the Titanic............


6 posted on 11/14/2008 1:23:44 PM PST by Red Badger (Never has a man risen so far, so fast and is expected to do so much, for so many, with so little...)
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To: winoneforthegipper
In the end it is grimly satisfying to see McCain's antiAmerican contempt for free speech come back and bite him in the ass. Poetic justice you might say.
7 posted on 11/14/2008 1:23:53 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Jeff Chandler

McCain’s own law was used against him.


8 posted on 11/14/2008 1:23:59 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Obama ripped W a New Tone.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

McCain’s own law was used against him.


9 posted on 11/14/2008 1:24:18 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Obama ripped W a New Tone.)
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To: BlueStateBlues
Whats a petard?

Some days, I believe it's my dog.

10 posted on 11/14/2008 1:24:59 PM PST by edpc
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To: BlueStateBlues

(in the voice of WC Fields. Whats a petard?)

A flagon full of whiskey ....????


11 posted on 11/14/2008 1:25:01 PM PST by SkyDancer ("I Believe In The Law Until It Interferes With Justice")
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To: winoneforthegipper

McQueeg was hoist by his own petard.....


12 posted on 11/14/2008 1:25:16 PM PST by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: winoneforthegipper
“There simply wasn’t the donor base to support it,” McCarthy said.

Total BS. McCain's candidacy registered above life support only when he attacked Hussein. He simply did not have the will to fight. He lead the charge with a white flag.

13 posted on 11/14/2008 1:25:57 PM PST by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: SkyDancer

A flagon full of whiskey.

Ah, yessssssss.


14 posted on 11/14/2008 1:26:25 PM PST by BlueStateBlues (Blue State for business, Red State at heart..)
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To: winoneforthegipper
Perhaps more interesting, big money people who might have had the stomach for spending big money on such spots simply did not much like McCain.

Keep moving to the left Republicans - its such a good strategy.

15 posted on 11/14/2008 1:26:28 PM PST by CharacterCounts (Wanted: Snappy, erudite tag line.)
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To: winoneforthegipper

The great irony of the 2008 election. MCCAIN/Feingold.


16 posted on 11/14/2008 1:26:28 PM PST by babubabu
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To: winoneforthegipper
Bull$#it. Everyone heard all the reasons why NOT to vote for BHO.
What we didn't hear were enough reasons to vote FOR McCain...
17 posted on 11/14/2008 1:26:52 PM PST by Riodacat (Legum servi sumus ut liberi esse possimus.)
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To: BlueStateBlues

‘supposed to add “my little chickadee” ....


18 posted on 11/14/2008 1:27:02 PM PST by SkyDancer ("I Believe In The Law Until It Interferes With Justice")
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To: Jeff Chandler

It would be funny if only he wasn’t dragging us down with him.


19 posted on 11/14/2008 1:27:25 PM PST by murron (Proud Marine Mom)
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To: winoneforthegipper

Hey, Johnny! How did all that bipartisanship work out for ya?


20 posted on 11/14/2008 1:29:01 PM PST by JenB987
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To: SkyDancer

I’d rather be in Philadelphia(with the world champions Phillies)


21 posted on 11/14/2008 1:30:00 PM PST by Dr. Ursus (( commander of the simian host))
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To: murron

Hussein had an incredible amount of money to use.
Only as his Presidency unfolds will we find out where it came from. (aka follow the money)


22 posted on 11/14/2008 1:30:21 PM PST by nascarnation
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To: edpc

I don’t understand that “Swift Boating,” whatever it means in principle, necessarily must have anything to do wiht having “served,” whatever that means. It happened the John Kerry’s military record was the object of the original lie-fighting Swift Boaters, but the practice of setting straight a record of performance that has been grossly misrepresented can apply as well under the aegis of Swift Boating to the misrepresented, but largely obscured, life of Obama.


23 posted on 11/14/2008 1:32:51 PM PST by Elsiejay
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To: winoneforthegipper
I don't know if "swift boated" is the word we're looking for here, but John Kerry always was an exhibitionist.

Kerry always wanted to be the center of attention and went out of his way to leave a trail behind him that would trip him up later.

Barack Obama, by contrast, was more of an "inhibitionist" (if that's a word).

He didn't leave much of a trail, stayed in the background, and let a mystique build around him.

24 posted on 11/14/2008 1:33:47 PM PST by x
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To: pnh102

I concur. Although, seeing how things are turning out, maybe he did not have the guts to be a leader at this time. He is and always was a liberal and ran an anemic campaign.


25 posted on 11/14/2008 1:34:15 PM PST by momincombatboots (Not a journey for the feeble.)
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To: BlueStateBlues

A small explosive device. That’s why the expression is, “Hoisted on his own petard.”

Hoisted, not hung.


26 posted on 11/14/2008 1:37:08 PM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: BlueStateBlues
"...what's a petard..."

Paraphrased per Wikipedia:

The word remains in modern usage in the phrase to be hoisted by one's own petard (or to hoist with one's own petard), which means "to be harmed by one's own plan to harm someone else" or "to fall into one's own trap", literally implying that one could be lifted up (hoisted, or blown upward) by one's own bomb. Shakespeare used the now proverbial phrase in Hamlet.

In medieval and Renaissance siege warfare, a common tactic was to dig a shallow trench close to the enemy gate, and then erect a small hoisting engine that would lift the lit petard out of the trench, swing it up, out, and over to the gate, where it would detonate and hopefully breach the gate. It was not impossible, however, that this procedure would go awry, and the engineer lighting the bomb could be snagged in the ropes and lifted out with the petard and consequently blown up. Alternately, and perhaps a more likely scenario, if the petard were to detonate prematurely due to a faulty or short slow match, the engineer would be lifted or "hoist[ed]" by the explosion.

Thus to be "hoist with his own petar" is to be caught up and destroyed by his own plot. Hamlet's actual meaning is "cause the bomb maker to be blown up with his own bomb", metaphorically turning the tables on Claudius, whose messengers are killed instead of Hamlet. Also note here, Shakespeare's probable off-color pun "hoisted with his own petar", i.e., fart, as reason for the spelling "petar" rather than "petard".

27 posted on 11/14/2008 1:37:50 PM PST by conservativeharleyguy (If dissent is "patriotic", I just became America's loudest Patriot!)
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To: Elsiejay

So, are you saying that O had no petard upon which he could be hoisted?


28 posted on 11/14/2008 1:38:20 PM PST by Louis Foxwell (Here come I, gravitas in tow.)
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To: nascarnation
Hussein had an incredible amount of money to use. Only as his Presidency unfolds will we find out where it came from. (aka follow the money)

I think you're right. I think the sources of his money is one of those realities that will see the light of day sooner or later. Of course by that time, we may all be too busy trying to survive that we don't even notice it, except to give a quick ironic grunt as we hitch up our belts another notch and prepare ourselves for another 20 miles of trudging through the dark.

29 posted on 11/14/2008 1:39:31 PM PST by Steely Tom (RKBA: last line of defense against vote fraud)
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To: conservativeharleyguy

Ah yessss, my conservativecharleyguy. Thanks for the further info.


30 posted on 11/14/2008 1:39:40 PM PST by BlueStateBlues (Blue State for business, Red State at heart..)
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To: winoneforthegipper
From the outset McCain made it clear he wouldn't allow Obama to be swiftboated.

His would-be supporters simply complied with his stated wishes.

31 posted on 11/14/2008 1:45:17 PM PST by skeeter (Its Barry's fault)
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To: JenB987

“So my FRIENDSH, I will shtill reach acrossh the aisle, to work with ash many other FRIENDSH ash I can, and I really mean it, FRIENDSH.”


32 posted on 11/14/2008 1:48:18 PM PST by RightGuy
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To: Riodacat
What we didn't hear were enough reasons to vote FOR McCain...

Au contraire! We heard them all:
McCain is the lesser evil
He's better than b Hussein o
We cannot allow b Hussein o in the WH
He's not Bush!
He's not b Hussein o
If we don't vote for him, it's a vote for b Hussein o
b Hussein o is an islamofascist communist (or a variation on those terms)
McCain has now (finally) said, in his best campaign voice (choking back laughter) that he will seal the border, drill for oil, put the country first, respect conservatives and he's not Bush! So now it's okay to vote for him
Governor Sarah Palin

33 posted on 11/14/2008 1:48:27 PM PST by Just A Nobody (I *LOVE* my Attitude Problem - NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: conservativeharleyguy

Ha! and all this time I though a petard was a pointy stick.


34 posted on 11/14/2008 1:48:43 PM PST by Ditter
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To: Steely Tom

I don’t think we’ll ever find out where BO’s money came from—just like we never found out where Bubba’s came from.


35 posted on 11/14/2008 1:50:49 PM PST by carola
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To: BlueStateBlues

GOP candidates have for too long hiding behind the skirts of bloggers, 501C-3’s and talk-show hosts to do their grunt work for them, while they remain “bipartisan” and “among the fray”. In a full-on Dem Thugocracy they are liable to have access to none of the above. Time to roll up your sleeves and learn to do the dirty work yourselves, guys.


36 posted on 11/14/2008 1:59:23 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Dr. Ursus

Any last requests?

“Yes, I’d like to visit Paris...Philadelphia will do.”


37 posted on 11/14/2008 2:04:51 PM PST by Gigantor (Sunni or later, shiite happens...)
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To: JenB987
"Hey, Johnny! How did all that bipartisanship work out for ya?"

About as well as that "Ditch Mitch" thing worked in Indiana. I'm still laughing about that and I have no interest in it one way or the other.

38 posted on 11/14/2008 2:04:52 PM PST by Past Your Eyes (All points of view tolerated...as long as they agree with mine.)
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To: Just A Nobody
Au contraire! We heard them all: McCain is the lesser evil He's better than b Hussein o We cannot allow b Hussein o in the WH He's not Bush! He's not b Hussein o If we don't vote for him, it's a vote for b Hussein o b Hussein o is an islamofascist communist (or a variation on those terms) McCain has now (finally) said, in his best campaign voice (choking back laughter) that he will seal the border, drill for oil, put the country first, respect conservatives and he's not Bush! So now it's okay to vote for him Governor Sarah Palin

Ah yes, sorry, I'd forgotten about all those "conservative" policy positions. ;)

39 posted on 11/14/2008 2:06:27 PM PST by Riodacat (Legum servi sumus ut liberi esse possimus.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

“Among the fray”?? I don’t think so.


40 posted on 11/14/2008 2:06:31 PM PST by Past Your Eyes (All points of view tolerated...as long as they agree with mine.)
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To: winoneforthegipper

McCain’t petard boomeranged on him and threw him under the bus!


41 posted on 11/14/2008 2:08:31 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Everytime they open their mouth they shoot themselves in the foot.)
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To: winoneforthegipper

Where is the tape LA Times?


42 posted on 11/14/2008 2:11:15 PM PST by edge10 (Obama lied, babies died!)
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To: Riodacat

Bull$#it. Everyone heard all the reasons why NOT to vote for BHO.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Not so, you and I may know all the reasons but millions who faithfully depend on the “MSM” have little or no idea what they voted for. If the media had covered the facts McCain would have won in a landslide.
I do agree though that we could have used more reasons to vote for McCain. It is pathetic when our whole campaign is based on,”I’m not as bad as the other guy”.


43 posted on 11/14/2008 2:11:15 PM PST by RipSawyer (Great Grandpa was a Confederate soldier from the cradle of secession.)
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To: edpc

You’re a winner. The Swift Boat campaign was done after the signing of McCain-Feingold.


44 posted on 11/14/2008 2:18:12 PM PST by joesbucks (Sarah Palin: "I believe John McCain is the best leader that we have in the nation right now,)
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To: winoneforthegipper

I object to the misappropriation of the term “Swift boating” because it was a perfectly legitimate exposure of hypocrisy by John Kerry.

While the article makes several correct points, the most significant reason McCain didn’t draw the big money Bush did is because he was not favored by the big (conservative) GOP donors. Money talks and aisle-reachers walk.


45 posted on 11/14/2008 2:22:47 PM PST by bigbob
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To: conservativeharleyguy

Most of the illustrations of Petards show it to be a bronze
cup shaped device filled with black powder, fastened to a board that is then nailed directly to a door or propped against it. the fuses of the time were notoriously unreliable and the breachers were often caught in their
own explosion.


46 posted on 11/14/2008 2:23:23 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: winoneforthegipper

Actually, the reason he was not swiftboated was because he had a team of lawyers threatening radio and tv stations if they played commercials dealing with gun control, ayers or wright. If that didnt work then the race card came flying out. That usually silenced all.


47 posted on 11/14/2008 2:26:55 PM PST by mouse1 (I will fight for my America.)
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To: winoneforthegipper
As the Democratic National Convention was beginning, a newly formed group, American Issues Project, launched an ad that sought to tie Barack Obama to his Chicago acquaintance, Weather Underground founder Bill Ayers.

Well Ayers has now done it himself...after the election of course.

The MSM truly died this election. They didn't do *any* investigative reporting on The One, AFAIK. They were quite interested in who Trig's mother is though, but not interested enough to check Sarah's medical records, or ask the doctor who delivered him.

48 posted on 11/14/2008 3:11:56 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: conservativeharleyguy
In modern terms, being hoist on one's own petard is often termed a "work accident", when some Jihadi, or other terrorist like Ayer's WeatherUndergrounders, blow themselves up, either while preparing the device, or at least sometime before reaching their target.


49 posted on 11/14/2008 3:21:08 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Just A Nobody
Governor Sarah Palin

The reason, along with McM's age, I finally relented and filled in the bubble next to McCain-Palin.

50 posted on 11/14/2008 3:23:09 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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