Skip to comments.Constitutional crisis looming over Obama's birth location
Posted on 11/14/2008 7:05:09 PM PST by solfour
The California secretary of state should refuse to allow the state's 55 Electoral College votes to be cast in the 2008 presidential election until President-elect Barack Obama verifies his eligibility to hold the office, alleges a California court petition filed on behalf of former presidential candidate Alan Keyes and others.
The legal action today is just the latest is a series of challenges, some of which have gone as high as the U.S. Supreme Court, over the issue of Obama's status as a "natural-born citizen," a requirement set by the U.S. Constitution.
WND senior reporter Jerome Corsi even traveled to Kenya and Hawaii prior to the election to investigate issues surrounding Obama's birth. But his research and discoveries only raised more questions.
The biggest question is why Obama, if a Hawaii birth certificate exists, simply hasn't ordered it made available to settle the rumors.
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Technically the Democrat party picked both of them. You are just plain wrong. Biden is still eligible, as far as we know, for the office of President. The Electors can and will probably vote for him for VP, although they could vote for him for President, and some other Constitutionally eligible person for VP.
But McCain might very well end up as President, if the rules were strictly followed and Obma was not found ineligible until after the electors vote.
I used to work for a company that did background checks. Obama wouldn’t pass our highest level check because of his associations.
I thought it goes to the House and Senate at this point, with the House choosing the Pres and the Senate the VP. In which case, we could have a Biden or Hillary Presidency and a Palin or Biden Vice Presidency.
I think similar things were said about Bill Clinton.
Close, it was 5 years residence after age 14, not age 16. But Stanley Ann was barely 18 when The One was born, and so could not have met the criteria.
For people born 20+ years later, the requirement is now 2 years after age 14, and 5 total instead of the previous requirement of 10 years total residency by the US Citizen parent.
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a Biden/Biden administration would be the pits
*THAT* is a true statement. If they *do* try to jerk SCOTUS around then all bets are off, and SCOTUS likely would demand to see his birth certificate.
My point was that the December 1st demand wasn't to see the birth certificate, but to respond to the motion. Those were two separate issues, and still are, at this time. Whether the become co-joined, or not, largely depends on Obama's legal team...
If Obama was intentionally withholding that information he is guilty of fraud. He is NOT immune to constitutional law just because hes half black and the sheeple think he is beyond reproach.
He must not be allowed to become president against the principles the founding fathers designed to protect the country from swine like Soros.
A Hillary Palin Administration would be pretty crazy
Wash my Republican mouth out with soap and PLEASE don't tell my Barry Goldwater mom I said this, but... I could handle a President Biden.
would it ever!
Yeah. Democrats can kill interns, steal money and put it in iceboxes, hack into computer accounts, and assault individual citizens with impunity, excused afterwards by their rigged courts.
And we'll have another “hate Nixon” movie any minute.
One of the rulings in 2000 was 7-2. The Court will not be able to pass eventually but Congress is on the hook if it accepts him without verifying his qualifications.
Some questions go beyond the desires of mere men when History takes a stand.
I actually think the election becomes invalid. It’s not like he was impeached or died as a valid candidate.
“That host was also the one that wanted to embrace “amnesty” for illegal aliens here because we need them and there is no way they could be deported - it would be too much like sending the Jews to their camps.”
I still have the manual from the company and was going through it a few months ago and talked to my former boss who is a democrat by the way who said he doesn’t think obama would pass it.
It was a good job. Only reason I left was they moved to Iowa.
Did you read David’s comment earlier today; he said he could challenge the issue in court, but he would need about fifteen million dollars to cover all expenses?
Depends on when it happens, and what the state laws are regarding electors voting for someone other than the person they are pledged to. If it happens before, they'll vote for whomever the DNC tells them is the new and improved Rat candidate. I would expect, but do not know, that in the case of the cannidate they are pledged to dying or otherwise no longer being in consideration, they are free to vote for someone else.
But the lawsuits will still fly, because those electors themselves would have been selected based on fraud.
Hang on, no matter what happens in the courts, the ride gets rougher, much much rougher, from here.
“A Hillary Palin Administration would be pretty crazy”
I would say “crazy pretty.”
Souter did not rule that he had to provide the BC only that he must respond to the suit. Who knows what that will be.
You forgot selling nuclear secrets to Communist nations and receiving the proceeds of said sales laundered through foreign nationals and Buddhist nuns...
I was just adding that Bill Clinton also had some interesting concerns shall we say in his background, not unlike the present One.
Don't know where it is, but the GSA is providing the digs for the Office of the President Elect. Courtesy of GWB.
LOL. That too.
.....That would be a big embarrassment for the author of Dreams from My Father.
This is the likely outcome. Citizen but a fraud. Either way, he's a joke and unfit for office.
Well, two things, first the President probably waived that requirement, and they probably did not show him the real "good stuff". Secondly as a US Senator, he has access anyway, on a case by case basis, if he specifically asks for a particular piece of information. But nobody has to tell him squat, even now, unless he asks. A President Elect who is not a member of Congress would not have that option.
Go back and read the Constitution, especially the 12th Amendment. If Obama is declared ineligible, then the Electoral College will not be able to pick a candidate, because no one will have a majority. Then it goes to the House which MUST CHOOSE from the 3 remaining candidates receiving the most electoral votes. Only McCain is in this category (Biden is NOT a candidate for President), since he is the only oneother than Obama to gain electoral votes, and thus it would fall to him.
In the end, we’d have McCain and Biden, Prez and VP.
I can get my original birth certificate with a signed, notarized letter. It might take a few days, but theyll send it to me.
Hes the President-elect of the United States, for crying out loud! He should be able to get his in about two minutes. Hes got the entire government
He should have picked up a copy when he went to visit granny the week before the election.
Our highest level check was level 6 which cost a lot of money.
10 year employment check.
Complete education check.
Criminal and credit history check.
Blood and hair sample drug tests.
5 personal and 5 professional references.
Discussions with your associates.
I got to do some of them, They were some high level executives and such.
Heh I would prefer Biden over Obama.
I would prefer a kangaroo in a three piece suit over either of them though.
“Mr. Boffers” the boxing kangaroo would have a better homeland security plan than OBama (or Biden lol).
The Court will not decide who is President if Obama is not qualified. Congress actually determines still if Zero is not qualified no matter what the Court does or does not do.
When the Electoral votes are certified and delivered to Cheney any Rep. and Senator can object.
NOT according to the US Constitution.
And how many of these are required for the job of POTUS?
Someone had better call Sarah and tell her to stop unpacking!
If he were disqualified before the electors vote, the electors could choose anyone from what I understand - they would likely choose Hillary over Biden. Biden might still be VP.
It’s kind of scary that you have to pass less of a background check to be the manager of a grocery store than to be President isn’t it?
Whoever called Obama Bozo is being really unfair. TO BOZO!
me thinks Bush is being suspiciously quiet about all of this.
President Bush is doing exactly what he needs to do. Look presidential and stable. I wish the DEMOCRAT Harry Paulson had a better grasp of the economy (actually, that is Bernanke’s job but he's a frightened kitten these days). Anyway... when the Obama not qualified story hits the press Bush needs to be a strong and stable leader or the civil unrest could get out of hand.
Remember, Bush's IQ is higher than Kerry and Gore's; Bush is an American Patriot; Bush has served in the military and Bush is a TEXAN!!! We'll be ok.
I dont think it would matter. The constitution does not specify one must be born in the US. It only states you must be a ‘natural born’ citizen and there is a lot of debate about what this means exactly. Some have gone as far as to say being born on an American military installation overseas is not good enough. Others say all one needs is to meet the requirements of being a citizen at birth. Obama would hold citizenship no matter where he was born because his mom was a citizen. The case of McCain is in the middle of the two because he was born outside of the Panama Canal zone it would make his eligibility questionable if using the tighter standard. I think that no matter what is decided the issue needs to be made crystal clear because modern travel will make this issue likely to come up in the future.
I guess it’s all we taxpayers deserve. We don’t deserve to have someone with a decent resume and no skeletons in the closet. We are just the cash cows of the Washington elite. Moo.
Hamilton’s genius and concern had been thwarted by the creation of the forerunner of the Democrat party in the early 1790s by Jefferson and Madison. A party created explicitly to stop him and his ideas. Slowly democratic influence has been expanded and the federal structure weakened as the electorate has expanded to include 35% who pay no income taxes. Federalism was also critically injured by the direct election of Senators.
Our Founders despised parties, factions they called them, and would have never believed that one so large and opposed to critical national interests as the Democrat would obtain power.
The electors have to cast their ballots first. If they find out that O is not eligible, most will cast their ballots fro some other Dim, for President. That could be Biden, but it could be someone else just as well.
After they cast their votes, and the tally sheets are sent to the President of the Senate (the current VP, the eviil Dick Cheney) is as early as the House and Senate could get involved. But they must pick from the top 3 electoral vote getters, who can qualify, which leaves McCain for President.
No, he was elected by the Electoral College (or he will be, after December 15), and has every right to his office.
You mean we had this thread for nothing? Where have you been all this time! LOL
The Secretary of State is in the line of succession. If Obama is sworn in and then removed by SCOTUS or if he resigns under huge public protest, she can broker a VP assignment. Biden serves one term and she is the front runner in 2012. This ain't over, folks. I suspect that the super scared look in Barry's eyes and the constant absence of his family from media attention suggests he knows the jig is up!