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Constitutional crisis looming over Obama's birth location
World Net Daily ^ | 11/14/08 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 11/14/2008 7:05:09 PM PST by solfour

The California secretary of state should refuse to allow the state's 55 Electoral College votes to be cast in the 2008 presidential election until President-elect Barack Obama verifies his eligibility to hold the office, alleges a California court petition filed on behalf of former presidential candidate Alan Keyes and others.

The legal action today is just the latest is a series of challenges, some of which have gone as high as the U.S. Supreme Court, over the issue of Obama's status as a "natural-born citizen," a requirement set by the U.S. Constitution.

WND senior reporter Jerome Corsi even traveled to Kenya and Hawaii prior to the election to investigate issues surrounding Obama's birth. But his research and discoveries only raised more questions.

The biggest question is why Obama, if a Hawaii birth certificate exists, simply hasn't ordered it made available to settle the rumors.

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To: calex59
Sorry, but Biden wouldn't be VP. He was appointed to his spot by Bozo. If Bozo is found ineligible to be President he is also ineligible to appoint a VP Candidate. The whole Presidential ticket on the Democrat side would be null and void. McCain would be President and Palin would be VP.

Technically the Democrat party picked both of them. You are just plain wrong. Biden is still eligible, as far as we know, for the office of President. The Electors can and will probably vote for him for VP, although they could vote for him for President, and some other Constitutionally eligible person for VP.

But McCain might very well end up as President, if the rules were strictly followed and Obma was not found ineligible until after the electors vote.

301 posted on 11/14/2008 10:25:07 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: FreeAtlanta
The biggest question is why, with all these court cases and some going as high as the Supreme Court, are they not being covered by the mainstream media?

No one, no court, has the testicular fortitude to remove the Messiah and be blamed for the ensuing riots. Some talk show hosts have proclaimed on air "It makes no difference if he is a legal candidate or not, he won a landslide and will be sworn in and no court will touch it". (just today Friday). So we can all forget about it and just live with it. That host was also the one that wanted to embrace "amnesty" for illegal aliens here because we need them and there is no way they could be deported - it would be too much like sending the Jews to their camps.
302 posted on 11/14/2008 10:25:46 PM PST by Cheerio (Barack Hussein 0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: MWestMom

I used to work for a company that did background checks. Obama wouldn’t pass our highest level check because of his associations.


303 posted on 11/14/2008 10:26:21 PM PST by mccainvoterinobamaville (Bobby Jindal in 2012)
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To: El Gato

I thought it goes to the House and Senate at this point, with the House choosing the Pres and the Senate the VP. In which case, we could have a Biden or Hillary Presidency and a Palin or Biden Vice Presidency.


304 posted on 11/14/2008 10:27:34 PM PST by Blogger
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To: mccainvoterinobamaville

I think similar things were said about Bill Clinton.


305 posted on 11/14/2008 10:27:38 PM PST by thesetruths
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To: FreeAtlanta
No. I think these are the rules;

Close, it was 5 years residence after age 14, not age 16. But Stanley Ann was barely 18 when The One was born, and so could not have met the criteria.

For people born 20+ years later, the requirement is now 2 years after age 14, and 5 total instead of the previous requirement of 10 years total residency by the US Citizen parent.

306 posted on 11/14/2008 10:28:33 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: April Lexington
Spoken as a true patriot. We need to keep the pressure on until the SCOTUS, the electors and Congress uphold the integrity of the Constitution.

I got this e-mail:!!!

We have received a lot of emails from American citizens asking what they can do to be heard regarding the issues pending before the U.S. Supreme Court. Although we cannot tell you to do anything, we can answer your questions and inform you what is available so you may be heard.

As citizens, you can individually write letters to each of the Court Justices addressing your concerns with respect to Mr. Obama's fulfillment of the requirements to serve as the President of the United States laid out in Article II, Section I of The United States Constitution.

United States Supreme Court

1 First Street NE Washington DC 20543

The Supreme Court Justices are as follows:

Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts

Supreme Court Justice John Stevens

Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia

Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy

Supreme Court Justice David Souter

Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas

Supreme Court Justice Ruth Ginsburg

Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer

Supreme Court Justice Samual Alito

Thank you for your inquiries,

307 posted on 11/14/2008 10:28:34 PM PST by danamco
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To: Blogger

just yuck

a Biden/Biden administration would be the pits


308 posted on 11/14/2008 10:28:58 PM PST by thesetruths
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To: concerned about politics
The Oboma teams response will give SCOTUS a clue about what's really going on. If they feel the Oboma team is trying to deceive them, or the American people, they won't like it. It's "disrespectful".

*THAT* is a true statement. If they *do* try to jerk SCOTUS around then all bets are off, and SCOTUS likely would demand to see his birth certificate.

My point was that the December 1st demand wasn't to see the birth certificate, but to respond to the motion. Those were two separate issues, and still are, at this time. Whether the become co-joined, or not, largely depends on Obama's legal team...

the infowarrior

309 posted on 11/14/2008 10:29:16 PM PST by infowarrior
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To: April Lexington

Absolutely.

If Obama was intentionally withholding that information he is guilty of fraud. He is NOT immune to constitutional law just because hes half black and the sheeple think he is beyond reproach.

He must not be allowed to become president against the principles the founding fathers designed to protect the country from swine like Soros.


310 posted on 11/14/2008 10:30:19 PM PST by modest proposal (Now is the time to take a stand against the left....)
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To: thesetruths

A Hillary Palin Administration would be pretty crazy


311 posted on 11/14/2008 10:30:47 PM PST by Blogger
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
It's no crisis. He becomes disqualified. The VP of the winning ticket becomes the President.
Say hello to President Biden.


Wash my Republican mouth out with soap and PLEASE don't tell my Barry Goldwater mom I said this, but... I could handle a President Biden.

312 posted on 11/14/2008 10:31:17 PM PST by April Lexington (We are now in the era of Timothy Leary Economics!)
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To: Blogger

would it ever!


313 posted on 11/14/2008 10:31:27 PM PST by thesetruths
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To: fieldmarshaldj
“Only Republicans are bound by law.”

Yeah. Democrats can kill interns, steal money and put it in iceboxes, hack into computer accounts, and assault individual citizens with impunity, excused afterwards by their rigged courts.

And we'll have another “hate Nixon” movie any minute.

314 posted on 11/14/2008 10:31:48 PM PST by Luke21
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To: hinckley buzzard

One of the rulings in 2000 was 7-2. The Court will not be able to pass eventually but Congress is on the hook if it accepts him without verifying his qualifications.

Some questions go beyond the desires of mere men when History takes a stand.


315 posted on 11/14/2008 10:31:50 PM PST by arrogantsob (Hero vs Zero)
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To: April Lexington

I actually think the election becomes invalid. It’s not like he was impeached or died as a valid candidate.


316 posted on 11/14/2008 10:32:07 PM PST by mccainvoterinobamaville (Bobby Jindal in 2012)
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To: Cheerio

“That host was also the one that wanted to embrace “amnesty” for illegal aliens here because we need them and there is no way they could be deported - it would be too much like sending the Jews to their camps.”

Medved?


317 posted on 11/14/2008 10:33:32 PM PST by Grunthor (bush04 - 62, 040, 610 mccain08 - 58, 164, 693.......Moving left is NOT the answer!)
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To: thesetruths

I still have the manual from the company and was going through it a few months ago and talked to my former boss who is a democrat by the way who said he doesn’t think obama would pass it.

It was a good job. Only reason I left was they moved to Iowa.


318 posted on 11/14/2008 10:34:09 PM PST by mccainvoterinobamaville (Bobby Jindal in 2012)
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To: JSteff
Look, its not unconstitutional for the President to get, um, serviced, in the Oval Office. No violation of the Constitution. That's why Clintoon won the impeachment. Here, Obama has the burden of proving he is QUALIFIED to serve as president. Congress has to face the voters in 2 years and they will pay for not enforcing our Constitution.
319 posted on 11/14/2008 10:34:12 PM PST by April Lexington (We are now in the era of Timothy Leary Economics!)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

Did you read David’s comment earlier today; he said he could challenge the issue in court, but he would need about fifteen million dollars to cover all expenses?


320 posted on 11/14/2008 10:34:32 PM PST by LucyT (..................Don't go wobbly now.................)
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To: PA-RIVER
If Hussein is voided... I think McCain wins, not Biden.

Depends on when it happens, and what the state laws are regarding electors voting for someone other than the person they are pledged to. If it happens before, they'll vote for whomever the DNC tells them is the new and improved Rat candidate. I would expect, but do not know, that in the case of the cannidate they are pledged to dying or otherwise no longer being in consideration, they are free to vote for someone else.

But the lawsuits will still fly, because those electors themselves would have been selected based on fraud.

Hang on, no matter what happens in the courts, the ride gets rougher, much much rougher, from here.

321 posted on 11/14/2008 10:34:32 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Blogger

“A Hillary Palin Administration would be pretty crazy”

I would say “crazy pretty.”


322 posted on 11/14/2008 10:35:40 PM PST by Grunthor (bush04 - 62, 040, 610 mccain08 - 58, 164, 693.......Moving left is NOT the answer!)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Souter did not rule that he had to provide the BC only that he must respond to the suit. Who knows what that will be.


323 posted on 11/14/2008 10:35:47 PM PST by arrogantsob (Hero vs Zero)
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To: Luke21

You forgot selling nuclear secrets to Communist nations and receiving the proceeds of said sales laundered through foreign nationals and Buddhist nuns...


324 posted on 11/14/2008 10:35:53 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: mccainvoterinobamaville

I was just adding that Bill Clinton also had some interesting concerns shall we say in his background, not unlike the present One.


325 posted on 11/14/2008 10:36:30 PM PST by thesetruths
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To: magooey
ust where on Pennsylvania is there a federal government office or even a cubicle entitled "The President-Elect"?

Don't know where it is, but the GSA is providing the digs for the Office of the President Elect. Courtesy of GWB.

326 posted on 11/14/2008 10:36:30 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Grunthor

LOL. That too.


327 posted on 11/14/2008 10:37:25 PM PST by Blogger
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To: cookcounty
“Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. It could be that it doesn't exist, or it could be that he's playing rope-a-dope...”
Or perhaps he is not “Barack Obama.” Maybe he is “Barry Marshall.”

.....That would be a big embarrassment for the author of Dreams from My Father.


This is the likely outcome. Citizen but a fraud. Either way, he's a joke and unfit for office.

328 posted on 11/14/2008 10:38:03 PM PST by April Lexington (We are now in the era of Timothy Leary Economics!)
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To: concerned about politics
Because of his associations, he shouldn't have even been given a security clearance! How did he get briefed without a clearance, anyway??

Well, two things, first the President probably waived that requirement, and they probably did not show him the real "good stuff". Secondly as a US Senator, he has access anyway, on a case by case basis, if he specifically asks for a particular piece of information. But nobody has to tell him squat, even now, unless he asks. A President Elect who is not a member of Congress would not have that option.

329 posted on 11/14/2008 10:39:19 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Blogger

Go back and read the Constitution, especially the 12th Amendment. If Obama is declared ineligible, then the Electoral College will not be able to pick a candidate, because no one will have a majority. Then it goes to the House which MUST CHOOSE from the 3 remaining candidates receiving the most electoral votes. Only McCain is in this category (Biden is NOT a candidate for President), since he is the only oneother than Obama to gain electoral votes, and thus it would fall to him.

In the end, we’d have McCain and Biden, Prez and VP.


330 posted on 11/14/2008 10:39:40 PM PST by cookcounty ("A ship in harbor is safe, but that's not why the ship is built." ---Governor Sarah Palin)
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To: Deo volente

I can get my original birth certificate with a signed, notarized letter. It might take a few days, but they’ll send it to me.

He’s the President-elect of the United States, for crying out loud! He should be able to get his in about two minutes. He’s got the entire government


He should have picked up a copy when he went to visit granny the week before the election.


331 posted on 11/14/2008 10:39:55 PM PST by April Lexington (We are now in the era of Timothy Leary Economics!)
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To: thesetruths

Our highest level check was level 6 which cost a lot of money.

10 year employment check.

Complete education check.

Criminal and credit history check.

Address check.

Blood and hair sample drug tests.

5 personal and 5 professional references.

Discussions with your associates.

I got to do some of them, They were some high level executives and such.


332 posted on 11/14/2008 10:40:18 PM PST by mccainvoterinobamaville (Bobby Jindal in 2012)
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To: thesetruths

Heh I would prefer Biden over Obama.

I would prefer a kangaroo in a three piece suit over either of them though.

“Mr. Boffers” the boxing kangaroo would have a better homeland security plan than OBama (or Biden lol).


333 posted on 11/14/2008 10:40:45 PM PST by modest proposal (Now is the time to take a stand against the left....)
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To: April Lexington; Ghost of Philip Marlowe
And if Biden stepped down wouldn't....tha....th...ha..that..m..m..make..Pelosi POTUS. (Shrilling horror movie scream!)
334 posted on 11/14/2008 10:41:37 PM PST by 444Flyer (I will not go quietly.)
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To: JSteff

The Court will not decide who is President if Obama is not qualified. Congress actually determines still if Zero is not qualified no matter what the Court does or does not do.

When the Electoral votes are certified and delivered to Cheney any Rep. and Senator can object.


335 posted on 11/14/2008 10:41:44 PM PST by arrogantsob (Hero vs Zero)
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To: April Lexington
"The VP of the winning ticket becomes the President"

NOT according to the US Constitution.

336 posted on 11/14/2008 10:42:45 PM PST by cookcounty ("A ship in harbor is safe, but that's not why the ship is built." ---Governor Sarah Palin)
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To: mccainvoterinobamaville

And how many of these are required for the job of POTUS?


337 posted on 11/14/2008 10:43:07 PM PST by thesetruths
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To: calex59
Sorry, but Biden wouldn't be VP. He was appointed to his spot by Bozo. If Bozo is found ineligible to be President he is also ineligible to appoint a VP Candidate. The whole Presidential ticket on the Democrat side would be null and void. McCain would be President and Palin would be VP.

Someone had better call Sarah and tell her to stop unpacking!

338 posted on 11/14/2008 10:43:53 PM PST by April Lexington (We are now in the era of Timothy Leary Economics!)
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To: cookcounty

If he were disqualified before the electors vote, the electors could choose anyone from what I understand - they would likely choose Hillary over Biden. Biden might still be VP.


339 posted on 11/14/2008 10:46:08 PM PST by Blogger
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To: thesetruths

It’s kind of scary that you have to pass less of a background check to be the manager of a grocery store than to be President isn’t it?


340 posted on 11/14/2008 10:46:22 PM PST by mccainvoterinobamaville (Bobby Jindal in 2012)
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To: April Lexington

Whoever called Obama Bozo is being really unfair. TO BOZO!


341 posted on 11/14/2008 10:47:27 PM PST by mccainvoterinobamaville (Bobby Jindal in 2012)
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To: Safrguns
Which begs the question as to the source of $200+ mil foreign campaign contributions.

me thinks Bush is being suspiciously quiet about all of this.


President Bush is doing exactly what he needs to do. Look presidential and stable. I wish the DEMOCRAT Harry Paulson had a better grasp of the economy (actually, that is Bernanke’s job but he's a frightened kitten these days). Anyway... when the Obama not qualified story hits the press Bush needs to be a strong and stable leader or the civil unrest could get out of hand.

Remember, Bush's IQ is higher than Kerry and Gore's; Bush is an American Patriot; Bush has served in the military and Bush is a TEXAN!!! We'll be ok.

342 posted on 11/14/2008 10:48:19 PM PST by April Lexington (We are now in the era of Timothy Leary Economics!)
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To: solfour

I dont think it would matter. The constitution does not specify one must be born in the US. It only states you must be a ‘natural born’ citizen and there is a lot of debate about what this means exactly. Some have gone as far as to say being born on an American military installation overseas is not good enough. Others say all one needs is to meet the requirements of being a citizen at birth. Obama would hold citizenship no matter where he was born because his mom was a citizen. The case of McCain is in the middle of the two because he was born outside of the Panama Canal zone it would make his eligibility questionable if using the tighter standard. I think that no matter what is decided the issue needs to be made crystal clear because modern travel will make this issue likely to come up in the future.


343 posted on 11/14/2008 10:49:53 PM PST by GrumpyDAV
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To: mccainvoterinobamaville

I guess it’s all we taxpayers deserve. We don’t deserve to have someone with a decent resume and no skeletons in the closet. We are just the cash cows of the Washington elite. Moo.


344 posted on 11/14/2008 10:50:05 PM PST by thesetruths
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To: fieldmarshaldj
You are very wise. The civil service MUST be dismantled because, as Senator Joe McCarthy pointed out... our government has been infiltrated by communists and enemies of the United States of America. Both parties would appreciate having the ability to fire them all and start over. Boston can do this. Why not Washington DC?
345 posted on 11/14/2008 10:50:57 PM PST by April Lexington (We are now in the era of Timothy Leary Economics!)
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To: yadent

Hamilton’s genius and concern had been thwarted by the creation of the forerunner of the Democrat party in the early 1790s by Jefferson and Madison. A party created explicitly to stop him and his ideas. Slowly democratic influence has been expanded and the federal structure weakened as the electorate has expanded to include 35% who pay no income taxes. Federalism was also critically injured by the direct election of Senators.

Our Founders despised parties, factions they called them, and would have never believed that one so large and opposed to critical national interests as the Democrat would obtain power.


346 posted on 11/14/2008 10:52:54 PM PST by arrogantsob (Hero vs Zero)
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To: Blogger
I thought it goes to the House and Senate at this point, with the House choosing the Pres and the Senate the VP

The electors have to cast their ballots first. If they find out that O is not eligible, most will cast their ballots fro some other Dim, for President. That could be Biden, but it could be someone else just as well.

After they cast their votes, and the tally sheets are sent to the President of the Senate (the current VP, the eviil Dick Cheney) is as early as the House and Senate could get involved. But they must pick from the top 3 electoral vote getters, who can qualify, which leaves McCain for President.

347 posted on 11/14/2008 10:53:16 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: April Lexington
Sorry, but Biden wouldn't be VP. He was appointed to his spot by Bozo.

No, he was elected by the Electoral College (or he will be, after December 15), and has every right to his office.

348 posted on 11/14/2008 10:54:08 PM PST by Jim Noble (I have read a fiery gospel, writ in burnished rows of steel)
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To: GrumpyDAV

You mean we had this thread for nothing? Where have you been all this time! LOL


349 posted on 11/14/2008 10:54:17 PM PST by thesetruths
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To: MWestMom
Strategically, the Clintoons would not want to be anywhere near this. If does come to the forefront and becomes an issue, those who drive it will come under intense fire. Even if the Clintoons have information of this sort and have been working behind the scenes to disseminate it, they will stand back and let others take the heat as they shake their heads, wring their hands, at the same time positioning themselves to take whatever power that they can from the situation. Interesting that we are hearing now that Hillary may be in the running for Secretary of State. Do not underestimate the Clintoons when it comes to power-brokering.

The Secretary of State is in the line of succession. If Obama is sworn in and then removed by SCOTUS or if he resigns under huge public protest, she can broker a VP assignment. Biden serves one term and she is the front runner in 2012. This ain't over, folks. I suspect that the super scared look in Barry's eyes and the constant absence of his family from media attention suggests he knows the jig is up!

350 posted on 11/14/2008 10:56:01 PM PST by April Lexington (We are now in the era of Timothy Leary Economics!)
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