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Constitutional crisis looming over Obama's birth location
World Net Daily ^ | 11/14/08 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 11/14/2008 7:05:09 PM PST by solfour

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To: patriot08

A title researcher would have to conform to the following criteria in legally accessing Obama’s BC.

http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/elig_vrcc.html

From the Hawaiian Department of Health website:

Who is Eligible to Apply for Certified Copies of Vital Records?

A certified copy of a vital record (birth, death, marriage, or divorce certificate) is issued only to an applicant who has a direct and tangible interest in the record. The following persons are considered to have such an interest:

*the registrant (the person whom the record is concerned with);
*the registrant’s spouse;
*the registrant’s parent(s);
*a descendant of the registrant (e.g., a child or grandchild);
*a person having a common ancestor with the registrant (e.g., a sibling, grandparent, aunt/uncle, or cousin);
*a legal guardian of the registrant;
*a person or agency acting on behalf of the registrant;
*a personal representative of the registrant’s estate;
*a person whose right to obtain a copy of the record is established by an order of a court of competent jurisdiction;
*adoptive parents who have filed a petition for adoption and need to determine the death of one or more of the prospective adopted child’s natural or legal parents;
*a person who needs to determine the marital status of a former spouse in order to determine the payment of alimony;
*a person who needs to determine the death of a nonrelated co-owner of property purchased under a joint tenancy agreement; and
*a person who needs a death certificate for the determination of payments under a credit insurance policy.

If you are not able to establish a direct and tangible interest in the record, you are ineligible and will not be issued a certified copy of the record.

Upon request, a letter of verification attesting to the existence of a requested record on file with the Department of Health may be issued. Instructions for applying for letters of verification are included in the next section and immediately follow the set of instructions on applying for certified copies. The same eligibility requirements apply for both ceritified copies and verification letters.

A search of the records on file with the Department of Health will only be conducted to process an application requesting either a certified copy or a letter of verification. If the search establishes that the requested record is not on file, you will be notified that no record has been found. No searches of the records on file with the Department of Health will be conducted prior to or outside of the receipt of an application and payment of fees.

http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/elig_vrcc.html


2,401 posted on 11/20/2008 8:14:39 AM PST by freepersup (!)
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To: seekthetruth

Looks like a bumpy ride ahead. ;o)


2,402 posted on 11/20/2008 8:19:04 AM PST by freepersup (!)
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To: freepersup

Did you hear about any decision being made in reference to Andy Martin’s case in HI? Last I heard the decision is still pending according to a thread here on FR.


2,403 posted on 11/20/2008 8:26:16 AM PST by seekthetruth
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To: freepersup

I found the thread concerning Andy Martin’s case:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2134526/posts

FROM THE THREAD:
“A Honolulu circuit judge heard vigorous arguments in the lawsuit filed by Obama author Andy Martin. Martin is seeking access to Barack Obama’s original, typewritten 1961 birth certificate. The judge reserved judgment.”


2,404 posted on 11/20/2008 8:30:02 AM PST by seekthetruth
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To: seekthetruth
I wonder if the judge is taking a wait and see approach because of the potential USSC case, before ruling on Martin’s case, seeing how they are at ground zero?

The number of Presidential ‘eligibility’ threads, here at FR grows exponentially. I cannot begin to keep up. I have wandered over to the 6,000+ post thread, a time or two. I have kept to this thread for the most part, due to the time invested in reading the thing from start to finish. The Keyes-Kreep-Orly case, being the original topic, has suffered at the hands of the Leo Donofrio case, primarily due to the numerous interviews of Donofrio, and because of the success in reaching the USSC.

The sheer volume of cases in the public courts is stunning, no, the lack of press is stunning.

2,405 posted on 11/20/2008 9:01:27 AM PST by freepersup (!)
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To: freepersup

I believe what Donafrio said about the Keyes case is correct. He said that Keyes based his whole case on Obama’s birth certificate and doubt as to whether he was born in HI. Donafrio said if Obama does end up showing an original birth certificate showing he was born in HI, that Keyes case could end right there. The point being, the fact that Obama was a British citizen at birth is the issue due to his father being from Kenya and Kenya was under British rule at the time of Obama’s birth.

Donafrio even advised the Keyes attorney to expand his case to include that “British citizen at birth” issue to make his case stronger.


2,406 posted on 11/20/2008 9:36:05 AM PST by seekthetruth
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To: seekthetruth
I've missed a couple of the Donofrio interviews...

I'm currently listening to the first (of two) Donofrio interviews from last night. This one is with Bob Vernon on Plains Radio. Bob Vernon needs to back off the mic or cell phone a bit. His voice is distorted and annoying when listened to for an extended period of time.

I managed to catch the Donofrio interview from late last night with Lan Lamphere at Overnight AM, as it was broadcast in real time.

2,407 posted on 11/20/2008 10:30:06 AM PST by freepersup (!)
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To: christie

“So is Bobby Jindal a natural born citizen? “

Per the 14th Amendment, Jindal is a “citizen”. Don’t know why they DID NOT include the phrase “natural born” ...

However, per the Founding Fathers’ original intent and referencing Blackstone’s Commentaries on English Common Law (the leading authoritarian reference of their time), YES - Jindal is a natural born citizen (Blackstone, Book 1, Chapter 10).

A “Citizen”, being born in the U.S., EXACTLY fits the definition of “natural born” subject in Blackstone. And thus, also in the 14th Amendment.


2,408 posted on 11/20/2008 11:05:38 AM PST by Lmo56
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To: freepersup

“I managed to catch the Donofrio interview from late last night with Lan Lamphere at Overnight AM, as it was broadcast in real time.”

I did too. Loved hearing what Lan said about his conversation with someone from Fox and how he told him he wasn’t interested in going on Fox! He did a nice job of telling Fox they certainly don’t cover news that matters!


2,409 posted on 11/20/2008 11:41:08 AM PST by seekthetruth
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To: seekthetruth
Lan earned my respect with the Fox refusal. The nuggets of Donofrio’s interviews, when combined, make a treasure chest full of riches. I suspect that some of Donofrio’s detractors haven't taken the time to listen to him. Berg, Martin, Keyes, Donofrio, etc., are all catching he!! right here at FR... hmmm...
2,410 posted on 11/20/2008 11:58:03 AM PST by freepersup (!)
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To: freepersup

“Lan earned my respect with the Fox refusal. The nuggets of Donofrio’s interviews, when combined, make a treasure chest full of riches. I suspect that some of Donofrio’s detractors haven’t taken the time to listen to him. Berg, Martin, Keyes, Donofrio, etc., are all catching he!! right here at FR... hmmm...”

Yes, the detractors do need to listen to Donafrio’s interviews and read his suit filed because on the 4th the nine Supreme Court Justices will be reading and discussing it before they vote! The four I am counting on to vote to hear the whole case are Chief Justice Roberts, Justice Thomas, Justice Alito, and Justice Souter. If not Justice Souter, whom do you think would join the other three in voting the right way to uphold the Constitution?


2,411 posted on 11/20/2008 12:04:08 PM PST by seekthetruth
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To: freepersup

“Lan earned my respect with the Fox refusal. The nuggets of Donofrio’s interviews, when combined, make a treasure chest full of riches. I suspect that some of Donofrio’s detractors haven’t taken the time to listen to him. Berg, Martin, Keyes, Donofrio, etc., are all catching he!! right here at FR... hmmm...”

Yes, the detractors do need to listen to Donafrio’s interviews and read his suit filed because on the 5th the nine Supreme Court Justices will be reading and discussing it before they vote! The four I am counting on to vote to hear the whole case are Chief Justice Roberts, Justice Thomas, Justice Alito, and Justice Souter. If not Justice Souter, whom do you think would join the other three in voting the right way to uphold the Constitution?


2,412 posted on 11/20/2008 12:04:21 PM PST by seekthetruth
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To: arrogantsob
The Senate only went through that nonsense because of Obama not McCain.

Did I say anything that would make you believe that I disagreed with that? Clearly it was a ploy by the Obamites.

2,413 posted on 11/20/2008 12:07:46 PM PST by itsahoot (We will have world government. Whether by conquest or consent. Looks like that question is answered)
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To: christie
Based on Donofrio’s explanation and what I was taught, Bobby Jindal would not be considered a natural born citizen either.

I think it is clear by the fact that people even here of FR have different interpretations as to what determines a person to be “natural born” it is time for the Supreme Court to rule on this. I think Donofrio'a suit is quite timely and it is all the more imperative that the Supreme Court take this case and make a ruling on it.

I would hope that since Donofrio’s case relies on an interpretation of what that term means, that they would rule in a manner that would thereafter make it perfectly clear as to what the term “natural born” means.

2,414 posted on 11/20/2008 12:39:43 PM PST by Flamenco Lady
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To: cripplecreek
Roger Calero has gotten his name on the ballot in several states despite being an admitted non citizen in two presidential elections so far.

It's an interesting quirk of constitutional law. The Constitution doesn't forbid, say, a 21 year old felon from Argentina from *running* for office, they simply can't *hold* office. Now, since the latter obviously follows from the former, you'd think that there would be a requirement to prove that you meet the Constitutional requirements when filing to run, but there isn't.

2,415 posted on 11/20/2008 12:46:22 PM PST by Terabitten (To all RINOs: You're expendable. Sarah isn't.)
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To: Terabitten
It's an interesting quirk of constitutional law. The Constitution doesn't forbid, say, a 21 year old felon from Argentina from *running* for office, they simply can't *hold* office.

True. I think it's a result of the constution being written at a time when people were generally assumed to be honest or it was believed that no one who couldn't hold office would try. It does need to be fixed.

If Roger Calero's history were unknown and he won the general election, I wonder if so many would be willing to give him a pass.
2,416 posted on 11/20/2008 1:00:58 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: seekthetruth
Scalia.
Scalia, Thomas, Alito & Roberts.

The Justices' Conference Room, where the Justices meet to discuss cases heard before the Court.

2,417 posted on 11/20/2008 1:13:08 PM PST by freepersup (!)
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To: freepersup
Yes, Justice Scalia would be one of the four for sure! Thanks for posting the picture. Looks like a lovely room to think on important matters. And in my opinion this matter will be the most important one they will have dealt with in my lifetime, other than the abortion issue!
2,418 posted on 11/20/2008 2:19:36 PM PST by seekthetruth
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To: freepersup

“The Justices’ Conference Room, where the Justices meet to discuss cases heard before the Court.”

So, who gets the “weenie chair” - Breyer, Ginsberg, Souter, Stevens, or ... WAIT FOR IT ... Kennedy?


2,419 posted on 11/20/2008 2:29:23 PM PST by Lmo56
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To: seekthetruth
I count 8 high back swivel chairs and one low back fixed chair. The Chief Justice seat is assuredly the high back swivel chair at the end of the table. In reading, the junior justice is tasked with responsibilities involving the entrance doors’ security, and tasking the clerks outside the room with necessary duties as needed. I suppose the fixed chair makes the most sense for rising and sitting, especially if it's done frequently.

One learned Freeper gives the case a 10% chance of acceptance. What is your take on it's survival in the conference room? I'll go out on a limb... I think it's chance of moving on in the process is better than 50%.

2,420 posted on 11/20/2008 2:41:42 PM PST by freepersup (!)
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To: Flamenco Lady; christie

“Based on Donofrio’s explanation and what I was taught, Bobby Jindal would not be considered a natural born citizen either.”

Read the 14th Amendment AND Blackstone Book 1, Chapter 10.

14th Amendment automatically makes ANYONE born in the United States a “citizen”.

We have to assume that it means “natural born”. Otherwise, NO ONE born AFTER 9 July 1868 would be eligible AND EVERY POTUS since like Teddy Roosevelt would NOT have qualified.

As for children of aliens born in the U.S., Blackstone clearly states that English Common Law the children of aliens, who are born in England, are, generally speaking, natural-born subjects, and that this differed from the Constitution of France in that a child, born of foreign parents, is an alien.


2,421 posted on 11/20/2008 2:47:11 PM PST by Lmo56
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To: Lmo56

I read where the seating is by seniority in one passage, and in another read, mutual agreement is the way seats are selected. Knowing human nature; I would wager that the justices sit in the same seat each and every time.

I recall the times that I attended conferences, or seminars, and audience members developed habits very quickly in where they sat. Humans are such creatures of habit, so much so, that the speaker(s) would intentionally direct the participants to mix up the seating upon their return from breaks, in order to facilitate networking and to take people out of their comfort zones.


2,422 posted on 11/20/2008 2:50:39 PM PST by freepersup (!)
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To: freepersup
“One learned Freeper gives the case a 10% chance of acceptance. What is your take on it's survival in the conference room? I'll go out on a limb... I think it's chance of moving on in the process is better than 50%.”

I am certainly not “learned” on these matters, but this case concerns a possible Constitutional crisis in voting in the Commander in Chief of our country! This is not the everyday kind of case with folks bringing suits concerning their rights being violated. Not that those cases aren't important, they certainly are. But the decision the Justices must make on Donafrio’s case will affect everyone in our country and the world!

I would think this case is one Justices most certainly would take on. After all, their main duty is to make sure our Constitution is upheld, and to think the Office of President could be endowed on someone who does not meet the very basic constitutional requirements to be President is abhorrent! I don't think there is a more important decision for them to make and to make RIGHT than this one!

2,423 posted on 11/20/2008 2:59:30 PM PST by seekthetruth
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To: seekthetruth

I respect your opinion as much as anyone here, as you are well informed, reasonable, and from the tone of your posts, passionate about the protection of the US Constitution, and in doing so, protecting our nation.

The use of the word ‘learned’ may have carried a loaded connotation in my post... perhaps a less kind word substitution for ‘learned’ (in my use) would be ‘opinionated’ or harsher yet, ‘a know it all’. ;o)

I agree wholeheartedly with you that there are only an exceptionally few issues (ever) to come before the Court, that have as much at stake for our nations’ future, as does this issue.


2,424 posted on 11/20/2008 3:24:01 PM PST by freepersup (!)
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To: freepersup
Thank you. I also respect your opinion and have learned a lot from your posts and research as well as other Freepers.

My hubby and I are so very concerned for our country. We are continuing to pray that our SC Justices will uphold the Constitution and make sure NO ONE ever takes the Office of President without meeting the constitutional requirements.

I wonder now if the fact that Donafrio’s case will bring an important decision on Dec.5th, if that will cause more pressure on Obama to be more forthcoming in his response to the Berg case on Dec.1st. Also wonder if there has been anything new on the Keyes case. It is just unreal that there is nothing being mentioned in the media which means most Americans do not even know this is happening!

2,425 posted on 11/20/2008 3:38:06 PM PST by seekthetruth
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To: Lmo56

I think you are misunderstanding what Donofrio is contending in his case.

Under the interpretation used in Donofrio’s case a person not only has to be born in the United States, but they also must not have any foreign allegence at birth.

Jindal’s parents were citizens of India, not citizens of the United States at the time Bobby Jindal was born. Based on Donofrio’s interpretation of the constitution he would not be qualified because all though he was born in the United States, his parents would have passed on to him Indian citizenship at the time of his birth.

Donofrio contends that in order to be natural born a person can not have divided loyalties at the time of their birth. Jindal’s loyalties would have been divided between India and the United States at the time of his birth and therefore would be ineligible to be President. Jindal is a citizen of the U.S., but not a natural born citizen of the United states based on Donofrio’s interpretation of the Constitution.

Donofrio in one of his radio broadcasts specifically mentioned that the 14th amendment concerns who is a citizen of the United States, not who is a natural born citizen.

Any person who was born in the United States to parents that were also born in the United States and had no other citizenship at the time of the child’s birth would be natural born citizens under the interpretation used in Donofrio’s case.

I hope this clarifies how Donofrio is interpreting the Constitution in his case. I do not remeber Donofrio mentioning Blackstone, so I don’t know if he has taken that into consideration or not.


2,426 posted on 11/20/2008 5:38:39 PM PST by Flamenco Lady
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To: freepersup

Natural born is not a new concept and has been around for hundreds of years. It is not difficult or a tricky idea. As I posted the definition from Black’s Law Dictionary above explaining it. It is unfortunate that the filer did not familiarize himself with the idea before this destructive lawsuti was filed.

Put since it appears to be an attempt to allow Obama to get off the hook I presume the filer actually did know that it means his suit is ludicrous. This is the best defense Zero has come up with yet. By mudding up the case with the idiocy about McCain the chance Obama will skate foreign father and all has vastly increased.

There is no confusion about the definition of Natural born merely an attempt TO confuse the issue.


2,427 posted on 11/20/2008 6:33:24 PM PST by arrogantsob (Hero vs Zero)
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To: freepersup

Oh, and the Court has yet to “take the case”.


2,428 posted on 11/20/2008 6:34:58 PM PST by arrogantsob (Hero vs Zero)
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To: itsahoot

No insult was intended by my comment.


2,429 posted on 11/20/2008 6:38:59 PM PST by arrogantsob (Hero vs Zero)
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To: Flamenco Lady

Any case postulated on the belief that the children of US military or diplomatic personnel are not Natural born stands on nothing. It is a ridiculous claim on its face and will only weaken the attempt to stop a truly ineligible person from taking the office. It is a very clever ploy to help Zero I must admit.


2,430 posted on 11/20/2008 6:45:31 PM PST by arrogantsob (Hero vs Zero)
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To: arrogantsob

You obviously have a lot more knowledge of the law that I do. I had never heard of English law definitions being used to decide U.S. law. I learn so much on these threads, that is why I enjoy being a member of FR.

I know at one point in time we had people serving in the U.S. Military that were not U.S. citizens. By serving in the military they were able to apply for citizenship sooner I think. If a non citizen serving in the military has a child born overseas would their child be a natural born citizen too under the English law you have referenced?


2,431 posted on 11/20/2008 7:46:30 PM PST by Flamenco Lady
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To: solfour

Let be perfectly clear. . .If we face a Constitutional challenge/crisis here because it is found that Obama is not a fully legitimate citizen; then Obama must be charged for his criminal attempt to subvert our laws, our Constitution; while violating every citizen as he ‘willed himself’ to power. There can be no bigger ‘con’ job.


2,432 posted on 11/20/2008 7:54:09 PM PST by cricket (America's Freedom Rings! Thank You ~ U..S.A. Military~/)
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To: Flamenco Lady

All I can claim much knowledge regarding the law of is the wording of the Constitution.

Legal education around the time of the Founding consisted mainly of the study of Blackstone. Legal study was often private not thru the universities but by becoming an apprentice under a practicing lawyer.

Initially almost all the concepts were borrowed from England.

As to the child of non-citizen military personnel being citizens if born overseas I would say no. It requires both citizenship of the parents and being in an assignment serving the purposes of the government.

We are dealing with two methods of passing on citizenship: 1) actual birth within the jurisdiction of the US and 2) birth to members of the polity itself even if not within the geographical confines of the state.


2,433 posted on 11/20/2008 7:56:05 PM PST by arrogantsob (Hero vs Zero)
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To: doc1019
A gamble and a disaster that Obama is perfectly willing to bring to our streets; our nation. . .(Ayers, no doubt has had more than a few 'dreams' of such) -

(If true. . .of course; but why would this be an issue is there was not more than just smoke here.)

2,434 posted on 11/20/2008 8:01:46 PM PST by cricket (America's Freedom Rings! Thank You ~ U..S.A. Military~/)
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To: cricket

He, in is arrogance, doesn’t believe that the court challenges will go anywhere.


2,435 posted on 11/20/2008 8:04:59 PM PST by doc1019 (We are now an Obamanation. Palin 2012)
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To: arrogantsob
No insult was intended by my comment.

None taken, just asking.

2,436 posted on 11/20/2008 8:17:38 PM PST by itsahoot (We will have world government. Whether by conquest or consent. Looks like that question is answered)
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To: doc1019

Well, no doubt part of the ‘messiah’ thing. Who WOULD dare. . .to go there; particularly, with so many crazed converts. There is ‘power’ here. . .and Obama fashioned and created the ‘power creature’. . .MSM fed it. . .grew it.


2,437 posted on 11/20/2008 8:34:43 PM PST by cricket (America's Freedom Rings! Thank You ~ U..S.A. Military~/)
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To: arrogantsob

Oh, and the Court has yet to “take the case”.

OK- I admit: the Court has yet to grant a review to the Donofrio Petition for Writ of Certiorari.

But them thar smart fellars with the robes sure do have their fingers on some of cuz’n Leo’s papers and they’re gonna’ be holed up in their favorite loungin’ room in pert near 2 weeks, takin’ a peek at em.


2,438 posted on 11/20/2008 8:40:46 PM PST by freepersup (!)
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To: null and void

You know what Nully, you will ALWAYS be welcome in my home in Canda. Yeah, we haven’t received the full of effects of everything yet but we have a family that prays together and stays together and we HAVE prepared for what we KNOW is coming. You are my dear friend, and my famiy will accept you as one their own - count on it. I pray that that Dad is doing better. Let me know. Love CO


2,439 posted on 11/20/2008 8:56:43 PM PST by Canadian Outrage (Conservatism is to a country what an antibiotic is to an infection - Healing!!!!)
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To: freepersup

It should only take a couple of minutes to throw out the attempt to disqualify McCain and the Court my be laughing so hard they throw everything out.


2,440 posted on 11/20/2008 8:59:16 PM PST by arrogantsob (Hero vs Zero)
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To: arrogantsob

I don’t know what it is about you... but I’m starting to warm up to your unbridled optimism, AND MAYBE YOU TOO! ;O)


2,441 posted on 11/20/2008 9:18:06 PM PST by freepersup (!)
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To: arrogantsob

Here’s the latest scoop off of Donofrio’s website. Take your best shot! I know you got something left in ya’! ;o)

US Supreme Court case > US SUPREME COURT TAKES EXTRAORDINARY ACTION IN NJ CITIZEN SUIT CHALLENGING ‘08 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION
Posted: Nov.20.2008 @ 9:20 pm | Lasted edited: Nov.20.2008 @ 9:31 pm
US SUPREME COURT TAKES EXTRAORDINARY EXPEDITED ACTION IN FAST TRACKING NJ CITIZEN SUIT CHALLENGING ‘08 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. I am awaiting clarification from the Clerk’s office at the United States Supreme Court as to whether my stay application has now been accepted in lieu of a more formal full petition for certiorari (and/or mandamus or prohibition). Such a transformation is a rare and significant emergency procedure. It was used in Bush v. Gore, a case I have relied on in my brief.

We do know the case has certainly been “DISTRIBUTED for Conference”, a process usually reserved for full petitions of certiorari. Stays are usually dealt with in a different manner. As to a stay application, a single Justice may; a) deny the stay; b) grant the stay; c) refer the stay to the full Court.

My stay application was originally denied by Justice Souter. So, under Rule 22.4, I renewed it to Justice Thomas who did not deny it. The sparse reporting on this issue I have seen today has failed to stress how unique such a situation is to Supreme Court practice. The vast majority of stay applications are denied. And once denied, a renewed application is truly a desperate measure the success of which heralds one of the rarest birds in Supreme Court history.

The relief I requested, a stay of the national election and a finding that candidates Obama, McCain and Calero be held ineligible to hold the office of President, has also not been granted at this time. So that leaves option “c)”: Justice Thomas has referred the case to the full court. That much is clear from looking at the docket.

What isn’t clear is whether the full court has already examined the referral and taken the extraordinary action of accepting the stay application as if it were a full petition for writ of certiorari which was done in Bush v. Gore, 531 U.S. 98 at 98 (2000):

“The court ordered all manual recounts to begin at once. Governor Bush and Richard Cheney, Republican Candidates for the Presidency and Vice Presidency, filed an emergency application for a stay of this mandate. On December 9, we granted the application, treated the application as a petition for a writ of certiorari, and granted certiorari.” (Emphasis added.)

It’s not clear that SCOTUS precedent would allow a stay application to be “DISTRIBUTED for Conference” without it first having been transformed by the court into a full petition. I don’t know if such a transformation could be sanctioned by Justice Thomas by himself. Again, I’m waiting for an official disposition notice from the Clerk’s office. Regardless, either the full court has set this for Conference, or Justice Thomas has done it on his own. Either way, it signifies an affirmative action inside the US Supreme Court testifying to the serious issues raised by this law suit.
Rather than explain the intense pre-requisites pertaining to a stay surviving denial, I’ve uploaded the following page from SUPREME COURT PRACTICE, 8th Edition, the ultimate SCOTUS resource:


2,442 posted on 11/20/2008 9:21:25 PM PST by freepersup (!)
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To: freepersup

Sorry about that, I inadvertantly left off the graph which can be found at the source thread here at FR. I’ll put a link in momentarily to the thread and individual post.


2,443 posted on 11/20/2008 9:24:00 PM PST by freepersup (!)
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To: freepersup

Here’s the link to the missing graphics display. See post # 65.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2135761/posts?q=1&;page=51


2,444 posted on 11/20/2008 9:29:09 PM PST by freepersup (!)
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To: DMZFrank

You know what - what the HELL is wrong with you? You want such a skinny, no history, bad background, no experience, empty suit to run your country? Amazing!! Just get over it???? I hope most folks do not!! This is the most evil and pathetic and really phenomenally twisted election I have ever witnessed. i have followed your politics more closely than my own for over 25 years and this is “THE READ TO DESTRUCTION” You will see. CO


2,445 posted on 11/20/2008 9:30:21 PM PST by Canadian Outrage (Conservatism is to a country what an antibiotic is to an infection - Healing!!!!)
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To: seekthetruth
Donafrio said if Obama does end up showing an original birth certificate showing he was born in HI, that Keyes case could end right there.

That would satisfy me as to his Constitutional qualifications to hold the office.

Pity he's so mal-qualified in so many other ways...

2,446 posted on 11/20/2008 9:31:29 PM PST by null and void (0bama is Gorbachev treating a dying system with the same poison that's killing it in the first place)
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To: Canadian Outrage

Thanks


2,447 posted on 11/20/2008 9:32:15 PM PST by null and void (0bama is Gorbachev treating a dying system with the same poison that's killing it in the first place)
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To: Canadian Outrage; DMZFrank

Ummmmmmmmm was that intended for DMZFrank?


2,448 posted on 11/20/2008 9:34:15 PM PST by null and void (0bama is Gorbachev treating a dying system with the same poison that's killing it in the first place)
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To: Canadian Outrage

Make that ROAD TO DESTRUCTION”. CO


2,449 posted on 11/20/2008 9:39:44 PM PST by Canadian Outrage (Conservatism is to a country what an antibiotic is to an infection - Healing!!!!)
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To: arrogantsob
Let's hope that doesn't happen!

There isn't much to laugh at in this abysmal mess...

2,450 posted on 11/20/2008 9:44:14 PM PST by luvadavi (Important old novel: The Moon Is Down, John Steinbeck, 1942)
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