Skip to comments.Los Angeles: Fire Forces Evacuations, Burns Homes in Sylmar Area
Posted on 11/15/2008 2:27:38 AM PST by bd476
Fire Forces Evacuations, Burns Homes in Sylmar Area
Sayre Fire is near the 210 Freeway in Northern Los Angeles.
A dangerous, fast-moving brush fire in the Sylmar section of the San Fernando Valley, spread by gusting 50 mph winds has now burned at least five homes and is threatening several more, City Fire Department spokesperson Melissa Kelly said today.
So far there are no reports of injuries to residents or fire personnel, said Kelly.
The blaze ignited about 10:30 p.m. in the dry, brushy hills above 13000 W. Sayre Street near Shablow Ave, and has so far consumed more than 500 acres.
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Thousands of homes in the path of that fire right now.
fire has jumped the 91 and is now into anihiem hills
fire has jumped the highway and is now into anihiem hills
Incident: 0361 Type: Report of Fire Location: NB SR57 JNO TONNER CANYON RD ThomasBrothers: 709 4D info as of: 11/15/2008 1:27:20 PM
1:30PM PER WALNUT SO // FIRE ON FWY NEED FWY SHUT AT IMPERIAL // VEHS ARE STILL COMING THRU NB
1:27PM VEHS GOING W/WAY ON FWY TO EXIT NEAR LAMBERT/IMPERIAL
1:21PM 1039 LHB PD - THEY WILL SEND UNIT TO SHUT DOWN LAMB ONR TO NB 57
1:19PM PER BREA PD - NO AVAIL UNITS FOR CLOSURE
1:15PM 570E REQ PD CLOSED LAMBERT ONR TO NB 57
1:12PM PER WALNUT SO, REQ NB/SB 57 CLOSURE AT IMPERIAL DUE TO FIRE ONTO RDWAY
1:10PM 1039 ENTAC, OFCR SHERWOOD, 18370 RE CLOSURE ON 57
I set my twitter account to update my phone from you & a few other twitterers. I hate to go but have commitments this afternoon. I’ll have access to radio & will be home sometime after 6. Take care everybody.
Pray for those who lost their lives (I know of one 98 year old already) and those who lost everything. This is horrible that seems to happen pretty often. Between fires in California and those hurricanes, I think it might be time to consider not building in both these areas....just a thought that I am such will be disagreed by some.
“The rule of thumb is that a flame front can be pushed out twice as far as the fuel is high - so if you live next to 50 trees, youd better be thinking about 100 cleared space around structures, minimum.”
Taking into account 60+ mph winds?
Didnt Osama bin Laden or his murderous assistants just state recently that they were going to set the non-Muslim world, and particularly the U. S., literally on fire - and specifically indicated the possibility of arson in forests and areas throughout?
Sheesh. Don’t say that. That is the ONLY thing worthwhile in the Bush Administration that he kept us safe during this Presidency. If this was work of Osama than Bush’s Presidency was a 99 percent failure. I will admit that the Supreme Court picks were good...even if forced. Tax cuts were ok too.
I know, I’ve seen them. They’re firetraps.
This is indicative that the entire development needs to have defensible space around the outside of it. The fuel loads inside the development need to be managed - the developers put it there... they should think about the fire consequences of the landscaping they install.
California could solve many of these issues if they wanted to. They could control fuel loads with controlled burns.... but they’re too busy worshiping their precious air quality regulations. They could strip off the flammable brush and replace it with something like a crested wheat seeding, but... they’re too busy with their commitment to ‘native species.’ They could have emergency stores of water positioned throughout the area, but they’d rather have green lawns and landscaping.
The list goes on and on.
You have to understand why I’m so jaded. I read your red flag weather reports and say “less than 15% humidity? Feh. I’ve seen days down to 3% humidity in Nevada.” Most days from the second week of May until the second week of September, the humidity is less than 15%, and in summer, many days are under 10. You can hang laundry on the line and by the time you get done hanging the wet clothes, you go back to the start and pull off the dry clothes. Max time to dry a load of laundry in 5%/15MPH conditions? About seven minutes. There’s utterly no point in using a dryer; it would take longer than hanging them on the line.
Winds 5 gusting to 35? That’s EVERY day after the first week of June and until the third week of August.
While these are summer-long conditions in Nevada, they’re also conditions that predictably occur every autumn in SoCal. Yet EVERY year, they have more and more fires, with bigger and bigger involvement, because California has become an area completely devoid of simple common sense.
Dealing with these conditions isn’t difficult, or even expensive. For example, I could cut a 100’ firebreak around a 500 home development in a week. Give me another week and I’d have it all seeded to crested wheatgrass. One guy, one D6, and a range drill. It would probably take me about, oh, 1,000 gallons of diesel, perhaps less, and about 5 lbs/acre of seed. Seed cost - let’s be generous and say $2.50/lb. Diesel cost? Let’s call it $4.00/gal.
Let’s say I’m doing this around a square mile of development, ie, a block of land 1 mile square. 100’ by four miles is about 50 acres. $4,000 in fuel, 250 lbs of seed (let’s be generous - $1000+ for the seed) and we’re up to about $5000 in materials.
Let’s say I charge $35/hour for the Cat. Heck, I’ll be a rip-off artist and charge $100/hour for the Cat. Figure 50 hours for the scape-down and grading, 50 hours for seeding, total of 100 hours, at $100 bucks, that’s $10K.
For $15K in time and materials, I reckon I could significantly increase the protection of an entire development.
In the late summer, you could have someone come in with cattle and graze off the buffer area if you wanted. 50 acres of crested wheat could be grazed off by 50 head of cattle in about two weeks, tops. Charge them, oh, $5.00 per head for the two weeks. Put the grazing fees into a kitty to help offset the cost of maintaining the fire break.
Californians, however, like everything to be as complicated as possible, as they worship their interlocking set of contradictory agendas. So you get what we have here: a 100% predictable event with tragic consequences. This is about like watching someone play on the train tracks who ignores other people’s entreaties to get off the tracks. Instead, they lecture us on train schedules and horn regulations.
When said person gets turned into pulp by a freight train.... well, it is hard to work up much sympathy.
Yes, and even higher. Winds near high fuel loads increase due to the “Dresden effect.”
to bad you really dont know just where these fires are.. CLUE NOT in the mountains.. as for brush clearence all the countys have requirments to how far fro, the house.. one of the fires is not more then 6 miles form me..
South of the 91 fwy 35 homes being evacuated...I thought it might jump the 91. Not good.
Homes in the Anaheim hills just south of the 91 are in big time danger right now.
“Fires like this, driven by the Santa Ana’s have been occurring in So. Cal for hundreds of years, long before it was settled like it is today.”
That cannot be so. I just read on FreeRepublic that these fires are the fault of liberal environmentalists.
This time there seem to be MORE locations, than I can ever remember.
The sky in Orange County right now, is just that:
The smoke has drifted right over the metropolitan area, and it almost looks like those Iraq oil well fire scenes. At least the worst of the smoke itself, is remaining at an altitude. For now anyway. :)
Like a midwest thunderstorm that’s about to turn to hail, but about triple that. Very disquieting.
Everything outside has a sort of yellow tint, because of the light.
3500 now being evacuated from Anaheim hills, south of the 91.
KCAL 9 is reporting 25-30 homes in Anaheim Hills destroyed.
These are large, 5000 sq. ft. homes.
Fierce winds in the area, large bits of burning debris, embers, etc. flying through the air and starting new fires where it lands.
Do you have a specific area in Anaheim Hills? I’m trying to reach someone who lives there..
Pretty ugly,, the FFs are just racing from one wind driven spot fire to another...
Some of those first homes in Yorba Linda went up had a huge defensive space....they still went up!
Street = LaPalma, I believe.
Please remove my post. I had the wrong info. Homes in Yorba Linda destroyed, NOT Anaheim Hills.
“The sky in Orange County right now, is just that:”
In Huntington Beach, over 20 miles from Yorba Linda the sky is all smoke.
I cannot remember a time with more fires at more locations than this.
I suspect arson. Is this the al Qaeda plot? It will be Barry’s deal as the investigations drag on, and on, and...?
I know exactly where these fires are.
I drove past these areas twice a day, six days a week on my way to work in the early 80’s. I used to commute from what is now “Santa Clarita” down to North Hollywood and later Pasadena. Even back then, I was thinking “One day, this is going to go up like a bomb...”
Look at that picture posted above of the “mobile home park” — and look at how close the fuel comes to the outside perimeter of that park. That’s poor fuel management right there, on a satellite image for all to see. I’m looking at it right now on Google Earth and seeing that the trees come right up to the edge of the buildings on the outside edge of the development.
That’s just begging to get burned.
They’re at the 91 & Imperial Hwy. (my friend & her family)
Main concern in Anaheim Hills is Santa Ana Canyon and Weir Canyon Rds., according to KCAL 9.
Do you remember the fires near San Bernardino and Lake Arrowhead where the white van was spotted near at least two fire starts? That was probably 4 years ago when I was still there IIRC.
1:34 PM - The Corona Fire has jumped south of the Riverside (91) Freeway, and Anaheim fire officials are issuing mandatory evacuation orders for about 3,100 homes in Anaheim Hills. The evacuation area is bounded by the 91 freeway on the north, the 241 toll road on the east, and either Weir Canyon Road or Serrano Avenue on the west. All homes north of Marblehead Way, accessed from Serrano Avenue, are included in the mandatory evacuation. Relocation centers have not yet been established.
Thanks to both of you!
In Long Beach indoors the air is orange and thick and feels like 50% smoke. Ugh.
91 East, prior to Weir Canyon. By a tad....
Is there a way we can get YOU on the ballot for Gov of CA??
No, the fires are not. The mis-management of the fuel for the fires is.
There are only three things fire needs: Air, fuel and ignition.
Absent arson, often ignition is involuntary. You can’t do anything about air. So fire management comes down to fuels management.
If you don’t manage the fuels when conditions are in your favor, you have zero chance to manage the fire in conditions that are not in your favor.
The repeated fires in pre-settlement times were often much smaller and occurred much more frequently, so the fuel load was kept relatively low.
50+ years of fire suppression, coupled with a lack of mechanical or other fuel load management, results in fuel loads that exceed historic levels and result at some point in fires that exceed historic fires in intensity and size. If we’re not going to burn off the fuels in prescribed burns (and given the lack of competence shown by land management agencies in prescribed burns recently, I can understand people’s reluctance for such burns), there is only mechanical fuel reduction possible at the edges of developed areas.
This, the environmentalists have prevented with zeal.
This fuels management issue is also why today’s forest fires burn hotter and further than ever before too.
YA I know.. I am not far from the Brea fire.. keeping an eye on things
One chopper pilot at about 2000 feet saw large burning embers blowing by under him, he estimated some of this flying, burning material was at 400’ elevation moving at about 40 miles per hour in a southwesterly direction.
No. Done my time in Kahl-ee-fornia. Not going back. Ever.
Good idea...It comes quick, spotting all over the place depending on the wind. I’d go out and look every few minutes if I were you.
I am all for allowing liberals to reap the consequences of their actions. That is the only way some individuals ever learn anything.
Unfortunately, disaster victims are almost never the same idiot activists who created the situation in the first place.
How many shyster ACLU lawyers died on 9/11?
Any guess as to how this latest catastrophe started?
Man, the sun is blood red right now...Heavy smoke blowing almost due west, southwest. It should start raining ashes here pretty soon as it starts to descend.
That apartment complex is just a few yards south of the 91 Freeway.
The air is full of thick, black smoke. Incredibly, there are people still driving eastbound on the 91 with the fires all around them.
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