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Los Angeles: Fire Forces Evacuations, Burns Homes in Sylmar Area
FOX News ^ | 15 November 2008

Posted on 11/15/2008 2:27:38 AM PST by bd476


Fire Forces Evacuations, Burns Homes in Sylmar Area

Sayre Fire is near the 210 Freeway in Northern Los Angeles.


A dangerous, fast-moving brush fire in the Sylmar section of the San Fernando Valley, spread by gusting 50 mph winds has now burned at least five homes and is threatening several more, City Fire Department spokesperson Melissa Kelly said today.

So far there are no reports of injuries to residents or fire personnel, said Kelly.

The blaze ignited about 10:30 p.m. in the dry, brushy hills above 13000 W. Sayre Street near Shablow Ave, and has so far consumed more than 500 acres.


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TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: 0prah; fire; lafd; losangeles; wildfires
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To: justa-hairyape

Thousands of homes in the path of that fire right now.


151 posted on 11/15/2008 1:26:01 PM PST by Deo volente (On January 20, 2009 America moves to DEFCON 2.)
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To: Deo volente

fire has jumped the 91 and is now into anihiem hills


152 posted on 11/15/2008 1:29:10 PM PST by janetjanet998
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To: Deo volente

fire has jumped the highway and is now into anihiem hills


153 posted on 11/15/2008 1:29:45 PM PST by janetjanet998
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To: mewzilla

Amen.


154 posted on 11/15/2008 1:30:47 PM PST by lainie (The US congress is full to the brim of absolutely disgusting thieves who deserve humiliating ouster.)
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To: lainie

Incident: 0361 Type: Report of Fire Location: NB SR57 JNO TONNER CANYON RD ThomasBrothers: 709 4D info as of: 11/15/2008 1:27:20 PM
ADDITIONAL DETAILS
1:30PM PER WALNUT SO // FIRE ON FWY NEED FWY SHUT AT IMPERIAL // VEHS ARE STILL COMING THRU NB
1:27PM VEHS GOING W/WAY ON FWY TO EXIT NEAR LAMBERT/IMPERIAL
1:21PM 1039 LHB PD - THEY WILL SEND UNIT TO SHUT DOWN LAMB ONR TO NB 57
1:19PM PER BREA PD - NO AVAIL UNITS FOR CLOSURE
1:15PM 570E REQ PD CLOSED LAMBERT ONR TO NB 57
1:12PM PER WALNUT SO, REQ NB/SB 57 CLOSURE AT IMPERIAL DUE TO FIRE ONTO RDWAY
1:10PM 1039 ENTAC, OFCR SHERWOOD, 18370 RE CLOSURE ON 57


155 posted on 11/15/2008 1:34:58 PM PST by BurbankKarl (a)
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To: BurbankKarl; bd476; All

I set my twitter account to update my phone from you & a few other twitterers. I hate to go but have commitments this afternoon. I’ll have access to radio & will be home sometime after 6. Take care everybody.


156 posted on 11/15/2008 1:35:07 PM PST by lainie (The US congress is full to the brim of absolutely disgusting thieves who deserve humiliating ouster.)
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To: bd476

Pray for those who lost their lives (I know of one 98 year old already) and those who lost everything. This is horrible that seems to happen pretty often. Between fires in California and those hurricanes, I think it might be time to consider not building in both these areas....just a thought that I am such will be disagreed by some.


157 posted on 11/15/2008 1:35:29 PM PST by napscoordinator
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To: NVDave

“The rule of thumb is that a flame front can be pushed out twice as far as the fuel is high - so if you live next to 50’ trees, you’d better be thinking about 100’ cleared space around structures, minimum.”

Taking into account 60+ mph winds?


158 posted on 11/15/2008 1:39:40 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: mtntop3

Didn’t Osama bin Laden or his murderous assistants just state recently that they were going to set the non-Muslim world, and particularly the U. S., literally on fire - and specifically indicated the possibility of arson in forests and areas throughout?

Sheesh. Don’t say that. That is the ONLY thing worthwhile in the Bush Administration that he kept us safe during this Presidency. If this was work of Osama than Bush’s Presidency was a 99 percent failure. I will admit that the Supreme Court picks were good...even if forced. Tax cuts were ok too.


159 posted on 11/15/2008 1:39:57 PM PST by napscoordinator
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To: justa-hairyape

I know, I’ve seen them. They’re firetraps.

This is indicative that the entire development needs to have defensible space around the outside of it. The fuel loads inside the development need to be managed - the developers put it there... they should think about the fire consequences of the landscaping they install.

California could solve many of these issues if they wanted to. They could control fuel loads with controlled burns.... but they’re too busy worshiping their precious air quality regulations. They could strip off the flammable brush and replace it with something like a crested wheat seeding, but... they’re too busy with their commitment to ‘native species.’ They could have emergency stores of water positioned throughout the area, but they’d rather have green lawns and landscaping.

The list goes on and on.

You have to understand why I’m so jaded. I read your red flag weather reports and say “less than 15% humidity? Feh. I’ve seen days down to 3% humidity in Nevada.” Most days from the second week of May until the second week of September, the humidity is less than 15%, and in summer, many days are under 10. You can hang laundry on the line and by the time you get done hanging the wet clothes, you go back to the start and pull off the dry clothes. Max time to dry a load of laundry in 5%/15MPH conditions? About seven minutes. There’s utterly no point in using a dryer; it would take longer than hanging them on the line.

Winds 5 gusting to 35? That’s EVERY day after the first week of June and until the third week of August.

While these are summer-long conditions in Nevada, they’re also conditions that predictably occur every autumn in SoCal. Yet EVERY year, they have more and more fires, with bigger and bigger involvement, because California has become an area completely devoid of simple common sense.

Dealing with these conditions isn’t difficult, or even expensive. For example, I could cut a 100’ firebreak around a 500 home development in a week. Give me another week and I’d have it all seeded to crested wheatgrass. One guy, one D6, and a range drill. It would probably take me about, oh, 1,000 gallons of diesel, perhaps less, and about 5 lbs/acre of seed. Seed cost - let’s be generous and say $2.50/lb. Diesel cost? Let’s call it $4.00/gal.

Let’s say I’m doing this around a square mile of development, ie, a block of land 1 mile square. 100’ by four miles is about 50 acres. $4,000 in fuel, 250 lbs of seed (let’s be generous - $1000+ for the seed) and we’re up to about $5000 in materials.

Let’s say I charge $35/hour for the Cat. Heck, I’ll be a rip-off artist and charge $100/hour for the Cat. Figure 50 hours for the scape-down and grading, 50 hours for seeding, total of 100 hours, at $100 bucks, that’s $10K.

For $15K in time and materials, I reckon I could significantly increase the protection of an entire development.

In the late summer, you could have someone come in with cattle and graze off the buffer area if you wanted. 50 acres of crested wheat could be grazed off by 50 head of cattle in about two weeks, tops. Charge them, oh, $5.00 per head for the two weeks. Put the grazing fees into a kitty to help offset the cost of maintaining the fire break.

Californians, however, like everything to be as complicated as possible, as they worship their interlocking set of contradictory agendas. So you get what we have here: a 100% predictable event with tragic consequences. This is about like watching someone play on the train tracks who ignores other people’s entreaties to get off the tracks. Instead, they lecture us on train schedules and horn regulations.

When said person gets turned into pulp by a freight train.... well, it is hard to work up much sympathy.


160 posted on 11/15/2008 1:40:07 PM PST by NVDave
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To: truth_seeker

Yes, and even higher. Winds near high fuel loads increase due to the “Dresden effect.”


161 posted on 11/15/2008 1:41:01 PM PST by NVDave
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To: truth_seeker

162 posted on 11/15/2008 1:41:22 PM PST by hole_n_one
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To: NVDave

to bad you really dont know just where these fires are.. CLUE NOT in the mountains.. as for brush clearence all the countys have requirments to how far fro, the house.. one of the fires is not more then 6 miles form me..


163 posted on 11/15/2008 1:42:59 PM PST by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: janetjanet998

South of the 91 fwy 35 homes being evacuated...I thought it might jump the 91. Not good.

Homes in the Anaheim hills just south of the 91 are in big time danger right now.


164 posted on 11/15/2008 1:43:08 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: bornred
Rob Lowe who is not an activist is probably going to lose his house. I hope he doesn't....now Oprah has a house here and they were stating she may lose hers...I am not so sympathetic for her home as she has 100’s of them. /sarc. I don't hope for anyone to lose their homes no matter who they are.
165 posted on 11/15/2008 1:43:26 PM PST by napscoordinator
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To: dragnet2

“Fires like this, driven by the Santa Ana’s have been occurring in So. Cal for hundreds of years, long before it was settled like it is today.”

That cannot be so. I just read on FreeRepublic that these fires are the fault of liberal environmentalists.

This time there seem to be MORE locations, than I can ever remember.


166 posted on 11/15/2008 1:45:10 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: NVDave

Valid points.


167 posted on 11/15/2008 1:45:30 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: janetjanet998

The sky in Orange County right now, is just that:

Orange.

The smoke has drifted right over the metropolitan area, and it almost looks like those Iraq oil well fire scenes. At least the worst of the smoke itself, is remaining at an altitude. For now anyway. :)

Like a midwest thunderstorm that’s about to turn to hail, but about triple that. Very disquieting.

Everything outside has a sort of yellow tint, because of the light.


168 posted on 11/15/2008 1:46:05 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (PALIN 2012: No more RINOS... Ever!!)
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To: dragnet2

169 posted on 11/15/2008 1:46:21 PM PST by hole_n_one
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To: markman46
Best to just ignore these people that don't realize these fires are spotting thousands of feet beyond and in front of the fire lines, being driving by fierce winds.

3500 now being evacuated from Anaheim hills, south of the 91.

170 posted on 11/15/2008 1:46:31 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2

KCAL 9 is reporting 25-30 homes in Anaheim Hills destroyed.

These are large, 5000 sq. ft. homes.


171 posted on 11/15/2008 1:46:52 PM PST by Deo volente (On January 20, 2009 America moves to DEFCON 2.)
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To: dragnet2

Fierce winds in the area, large bits of burning debris, embers, etc. flying through the air and starting new fires where it lands.


172 posted on 11/15/2008 1:49:42 PM PST by Deo volente (On January 20, 2009 America moves to DEFCON 2.)
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To: Deo volente

Do you have a specific area in Anaheim Hills? I’m trying to reach someone who lives there..


173 posted on 11/15/2008 1:51:53 PM PST by Bradís Gramma ( PRAY!)
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To: Deo volente

Pretty ugly,, the FFs are just racing from one wind driven spot fire to another...


174 posted on 11/15/2008 1:53:03 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: NVDave

Some of those first homes in Yorba Linda went up had a huge defensive space....they still went up!


175 posted on 11/15/2008 1:53:26 PM PST by BurbankKarl (a)
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To: Brad's Gramma

Street = LaPalma, I believe.


176 posted on 11/15/2008 1:55:31 PM PST by maggief
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To: maggief

Thanks.


177 posted on 11/15/2008 1:55:51 PM PST by Bradís Gramma ( PRAY!)
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To: Deo volente; Admin Moderator

Please remove my post. I had the wrong info. Homes in Yorba Linda destroyed, NOT Anaheim Hills.


178 posted on 11/15/2008 1:56:42 PM PST by Deo volente (On January 20, 2009 America moves to DEFCON 2.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

“The sky in Orange County right now, is just that:”

In Huntington Beach, over 20 miles from Yorba Linda the sky is all smoke.

I cannot remember a time with more fires at more locations than this.

I suspect arson. Is this the al Qaeda plot? It will be Barry’s deal as the investigations drag on, and on, and...?


179 posted on 11/15/2008 1:57:03 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: markman46

I know exactly where these fires are.

I drove past these areas twice a day, six days a week on my way to work in the early 80’s. I used to commute from what is now “Santa Clarita” down to North Hollywood and later Pasadena. Even back then, I was thinking “One day, this is going to go up like a bomb...”

Look at that picture posted above of the “mobile home park” — and look at how close the fuel comes to the outside perimeter of that park. That’s poor fuel management right there, on a satellite image for all to see. I’m looking at it right now on Google Earth and seeing that the trees come right up to the edge of the buildings on the outside edge of the development.

That’s just begging to get burned.


180 posted on 11/15/2008 1:57:11 PM PST by NVDave
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To: maggief

They’re at the 91 & Imperial Hwy. (my friend & her family)


181 posted on 11/15/2008 1:57:12 PM PST by Bradís Gramma ( PRAY!)
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To: Brad's Gramma

Main concern in Anaheim Hills is Santa Ana Canyon and Weir Canyon Rds., according to KCAL 9.


182 posted on 11/15/2008 2:01:25 PM PST by Deo volente (On January 20, 2009 America moves to DEFCON 2.)
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To: KylaStarr; MamaDearest

Do you remember the fires near San Bernardino and Lake Arrowhead where the white van was spotted near at least two fire starts? That was probably 4 years ago when I was still there IIRC.


183 posted on 11/15/2008 2:01:43 PM PST by WestCoastGal (READ MY LIPSTICK!!! Sarah will be back.)
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To: Brad's Gramma
The fire crossed the 57 just north of Imperial. The police scanner report from BurbankKarl stated they were going to close the 57 at Imperial. If they are north of Imperial it would be a concern.
184 posted on 11/15/2008 2:03:07 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: Brad's Gramma
Ohh. 91 and Imperial. Not sure where that is.
185 posted on 11/15/2008 2:04:25 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: Deo volente; justa-hairyape

1:34 PM - The Corona Fire has jumped south of the Riverside (91) Freeway, and Anaheim fire officials are issuing mandatory evacuation orders for about 3,100 homes in Anaheim Hills. The evacuation area is bounded by the 91 freeway on the north, the 241 toll road on the east, and either Weir Canyon Road or Serrano Avenue on the west. All homes north of Marblehead Way, accessed from Serrano Avenue, are included in the mandatory evacuation. Relocation centers have not yet been established.

http://www.myfoxla.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=14230C4260AC0AB73858534BC62810FD?contentId=7872755&version=18&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1

Thanks to both of you!


186 posted on 11/15/2008 2:05:21 PM PST by Bradís Gramma ( PRAY!)
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To: truth_seeker

In Long Beach indoors the air is orange and thick and feels like 50% smoke. Ugh.


187 posted on 11/15/2008 2:06:59 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: justa-hairyape
Ohh. 91 and Imperial. Not sure where that is.

91 East, prior to Weir Canyon. By a tad....

188 posted on 11/15/2008 2:08:11 PM PST by Bradís Gramma ( PRAY!)
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To: NVDave

Is there a way we can get YOU on the ballot for Gov of CA??


189 posted on 11/15/2008 2:09:17 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: truth_seeker

No, the fires are not. The mis-management of the fuel for the fires is.

There are only three things fire needs: Air, fuel and ignition.

Absent arson, often ignition is involuntary. You can’t do anything about air. So fire management comes down to fuels management.

If you don’t manage the fuels when conditions are in your favor, you have zero chance to manage the fire in conditions that are not in your favor.

The repeated fires in pre-settlement times were often much smaller and occurred much more frequently, so the fuel load was kept relatively low.

50+ years of fire suppression, coupled with a lack of mechanical or other fuel load management, results in fuel loads that exceed historic levels and result at some point in fires that exceed historic fires in intensity and size. If we’re not going to burn off the fuels in prescribed burns (and given the lack of competence shown by land management agencies in prescribed burns recently, I can understand people’s reluctance for such burns), there is only mechanical fuel reduction possible at the edges of developed areas.

This, the environmentalists have prevented with zeal.

This fuels management issue is also why today’s forest fires burn hotter and further than ever before too.


190 posted on 11/15/2008 2:12:28 PM PST by NVDave
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To: dragnet2

YA I know.. I am not far from the Brea fire.. keeping an eye on things


191 posted on 11/15/2008 2:12:34 PM PST by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: BurbankKarl

One chopper pilot at about 2000 feet saw large burning embers blowing by under him, he estimated some of this flying, burning material was at 400’ elevation moving at about 40 miles per hour in a southwesterly direction.


192 posted on 11/15/2008 2:12:44 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: Yaelle

No. Done my time in Kahl-ee-fornia. Not going back. Ever.


193 posted on 11/15/2008 2:13:01 PM PST by NVDave
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To: dragnet2
250 unit apt. complex (Cascade Apts.) fully engulfed........


194 posted on 11/15/2008 2:16:37 PM PST by hole_n_one
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To: markman46

Good idea...It comes quick, spotting all over the place depending on the wind. I’d go out and look every few minutes if I were you.


195 posted on 11/15/2008 2:21:26 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: napscoordinator

I am all for allowing liberals to reap the consequences of their actions. That is the only way some individuals ever learn anything.

Unfortunately, disaster victims are almost never the same idiot activists who created the situation in the first place.

How many shyster ACLU lawyers died on 9/11?


196 posted on 11/15/2008 2:30:25 PM PST by bornred
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To: bd476

Any guess as to how this latest catastrophe started?

Just awful.


197 posted on 11/15/2008 2:31:46 PM PST by eleni121 (EN TOUTO NIKA!! +)
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To: hole_n_one

Man, the sun is blood red right now...Heavy smoke blowing almost due west, southwest. It should start raining ashes here pretty soon as it starts to descend.


198 posted on 11/15/2008 2:33:01 PM PST by dragnet2
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199 posted on 11/15/2008 2:33:20 PM PST by hole_n_one
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To: hole_n_one

Incredible pictures!

That apartment complex is just a few yards south of the 91 Freeway.

The air is full of thick, black smoke. Incredibly, there are people still driving eastbound on the 91 with the fires all around them.


200 posted on 11/15/2008 2:35:13 PM PST by Deo volente (On January 20, 2009 America moves to DEFCON 2.)
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