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Begging Your Pardon
IBD Editorials ^ | November 14, 2008

Posted on 11/15/2008 5:12:48 AM PST by Kaslin

Justice: Two Border Patrol agents convicted of shooting a drug smuggler have been resentenced for the crime of protecting the borders of the United States. Mr. President, you do not have the right to remain silent.


Former agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean are 20 months into their sentences for shooting drug dealer Osvaldo Aldrete Davila, who tried to elude the two agents after driving a van near Fabens, Texas, that was found to hold 743 pounds of marijuana. He tried to flee back to Mexico and was shot in the buttocks by the agents who had reason to believe he was armed.

Last week the two agents had their resentencing hearing before U.S. District Judge Kathleen Cordone. The hearing was prompted by the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals' throwing out a minor obstruction of justice count. Ramos and Compean were resentenced to virtually their original 11- and 12-year sentences, the bulk of which is a mandatory sentence of 10 years for the use of a firearm in the commission of a crime.

Ramos and Compean were charged under section 924(c) of the criminal code. This section is intended to punish felons who use firearms in the commission of a crime, not law enforcement officers attempting to apprehend lawbreakers.

Rep. Ted Poe, R-Texas, who plans to introduce clarifying legislation, says: "It was never the intent of Congress to have U/S.C. Section 924 (c) apply to law enforcement officers."

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TOPICS: Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abadshoot; borderagents; borderpatrol; dirtycops; jackbootcrime; pardon; ramoscompean; triedtocoverup
If anyone deserves a pardon, former agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean are the ones. I pray that President Bush includes them in the presidential pardons before he leaves office on January 20th
1 posted on 11/15/2008 5:12:48 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

I agree.


2 posted on 11/15/2008 5:15:35 AM PST by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: Kaslin

Bttt


3 posted on 11/15/2008 5:17:20 AM PST by novemberslady
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To: Kaslin

Another injustice the rino President Bush is overlooking much as he has so many conservative judicial ruling during his 8 years, he had so many chances and opportunities to turn back the marxist left simply by using the veto pen and he laid down and let the marxists destroy conservatism by standing with the left.
I will not waste my good vote on the liberal lite rino party anymore.


4 posted on 11/15/2008 5:22:44 AM PST by kindred (Conservatives, please abandon the G.O.P., start a new conservative only party.)
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To: Kaslin

BUMP!


5 posted on 11/15/2008 5:23:19 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin ('Taking the moderate path of appeasement leads to abysmal defeat.' - Rush on 11/05/08)
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To: Kaslin

Fat Chance.Bush throws the book at these two.But,he makes nice with House and Senate Dems who call him a moron in
public!


6 posted on 11/15/2008 5:23:23 AM PST by Dr. Ursus (( commander of the simian host))
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To: Kaslin
I pray that President Bush includes them in the presidential pardons before he leaves office on January 20th.

Unfortunately I'm willing to bet that he does not.

7 posted on 11/15/2008 5:26:17 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Kaslin

IBD Editorials are the best...thanks for posting.


8 posted on 11/15/2008 5:27:55 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: Kaslin

What goes around comes around, anyone think Bush will not be brought to trial for war crimes by the world court.

I love pay back, let the injustice roll which George W Bush started himself.

This is why he is the worst President, I am so sorry I voted for him. What a big disappointment.


9 posted on 11/15/2008 5:38:21 AM PST by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: chicagolady

What war crimes? Do you think liberating 25 million people from a ruthless dictator and evil regime is a crime? I suggest you crawl back under your rock from where you crawled out from


10 posted on 11/15/2008 5:58:53 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin; Ladycalif; calcowgirl; Jeff Head; gubamyster; SwinneySwitch; george76; jan in Colorado; ...
BP Ping!

Latest on guards.
11 posted on 11/15/2008 5:59:37 AM PST by Issaquahking (Obama won the election, and America lost!)
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To: chicagolady
What goes around comes around, anyone think Bush will not be brought to trial for war crimes by the world court. I love pay back, let the injustice roll which George W Bush started himself. This is why he is the worst President, I am so sorry I voted for him. What a big disappointment.

War crimes???? So did you learn this in Sunday school? Sounds like a 'religious' doctrine... One of those WWJD mantras or liberation theology?

12 posted on 11/15/2008 6:02:31 AM PST by Just mythoughts (Isa.3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.)
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To: Just mythoughts; Kaslin

Sorry, Maybe what I mean is not comming out correctly. I do not mean that I think Bush should be brought up on charges for war crimes. Forgive me.

But I do mean, since these border agents were brought up unjustly that he will also be brought up on charges unjustly.

Since he is turning a blind eye to these border agents, so a blind eye will happen to him.

You cannot deny that those who hate George Bush have been talking about this all the time.


13 posted on 11/15/2008 6:13:08 AM PST by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: Kaslin

Well, what would Bush’s model President, LBJ, do?


14 posted on 11/15/2008 6:23:47 AM PST by Seruzawa
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To: chicagolady
Sorry, Maybe what I mean is not comming out correctly. I do not mean that I think Bush should be brought up on charges for war crimes. Forgive me. But I do mean, since these border agents were brought up unjustly that he will also be brought up on charges unjustly. Since he is turning a blind eye to these border agents, so a blind eye will happen to him. You cannot deny that those who hate George Bush have been talking about this all the time.

Much different wording than what you first posted. Agree? Anyway, the first time I heard GWB on the campaign trail using the words Compassionate Conservative I knew it was a religious injection. I did not know what exactly he was using the phrase to mean, but it did not take long to figure out he was speaking about the hoards of illegals that under Clintonism were invited to invade this nation.

I do believe that GWB sought to assimilate or change the laws that made this invasion now legal wherein these people could freely move back and forth across borders. And even more for him to deal with had to be the awareness that there was NO way that under his watch could he start loading up millions of people and send them back where they came. Early on when that German socialist called GWB Hitler-Nazi like I knew then and there the left was willing to have blood shed in our own states/cities/and highways if GWB made a move to start mass deportation.

And let us not forget the 'economy' wing of institutions were clamoring for cheap labor. And those who profited off cheap labor were NOT just liberals but the highly self esteemed moderates that had the funds to hire cheap labor to keep their lawns manicured and toilets cleansed.

Now it was not GWB who prosecuted these two so I think the first in line to get what is coming would be that prosecutor.

15 posted on 11/15/2008 6:33:11 AM PST by Just mythoughts (Isa.3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.)
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To: chicagolady
From your post in #9

What goes around comes around, anyone think Bush will not be brought to trial for war crimes by the world court.

I love pay back, let the injustice roll which George W Bush started himself.

This is why he is the worst President, I am so sorry I voted for him. What a big disappointment.

9 posted on Saturday, November 15, 2008 7:38:21 AM by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)

Here is from an earlier IBD editorial. I suggest you read it

Academia: So 98% of history professors adjudge George Bush's presidency a failure and 61% say he's the worst president ever. And we thought historians studied history, not events too recent to be properly assessed.

Too Quick To Judge

16 posted on 11/15/2008 6:34:12 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
**** If anyone deserves a pardon, former agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean are the ones. I pray that President Bush includes them in the presidential pardons ****

Don't bet the rent money. Dubya personally sent his friend Johnny Sutton down there to send a message to the BP, and to Mexico (Soy su amigo).

Heck, don't even bet the Milk Money.

17 posted on 11/15/2008 6:42:34 AM PST by Condor51 (Obama believes in Karl Marx. I believe in Sun Tzu.)
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To: Issaquahking

thanks


18 posted on 11/15/2008 6:54:14 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: All

Clock is ticking. Please, please, please contact President Bush. Keep it nice. I know some of you think it wont help, but, there’s strength in numbers.

comment@whitehouse.gov
202-456-1111


19 posted on 11/15/2008 7:26:03 AM PST by mouse1 (I will fight for my America.)
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To: Kaslin
I pray that President Bush includes them in the presidential pardons before he leaves office on January 20th

I wouldn't bet on it.

20 posted on 11/15/2008 7:59:18 AM PST by sionnsar (Iran Azadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY)|http://trad-anglican.faithweb.com/|RCongressIn2Years)
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To: Kaslin; Ajnin; abner; AndrewC; Arizona Carolyn; Brad's Gramma; Brytani; calex59; Calpernia; ...

PING!

RAMOS/COMPEAN Ping
Please freepmail me if you want on or off this list.


21 posted on 11/15/2008 8:28:17 AM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: chicagolady

I just want you to know that I was able to read and comprehend what you wrote : )


22 posted on 11/15/2008 8:51:57 AM PST by freema (MarineNiece,Daughter,Wife,Friend,Sister,Friend,Aunt,Friend,Mother,Friend,Cousin, FRiend)
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To: Kaslin; stan_sipple; time4good; Guenevere; mugsaway; CSM; calcowgirl; RightSideNews; Grimmy; ...

Texas 2 Prayer ping!


23 posted on 11/15/2008 8:53:36 AM PST by SwinneySwitch (Prayer - beyond your expectations.)
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To: Kaslin

If Pres. Bush does not pardon these guys....never mind..I would be banned if I said it.


24 posted on 11/15/2008 9:11:21 AM PST by ladyvet (WOLVERINES!!!!!)
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To: Kaslin

How many countries in central and south America have gone communist on Bush’s watch?

How many aircraft carriers did the US have when Bush took office? How many now?

How many submarines did the US Navy have when Bush took office? How many now?

What was the average age of the USAF tanker fleet when Bush took office? average age now? Same for bomber fleet.

How were Christians in Iraq treated when Bush took office? How are they treated now?

How were Christians in California treated when Bush took office? How are they treated now?


25 posted on 11/15/2008 9:15:04 AM PST by PAR35
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To: Kaslin

W should pardon them but I wouldn’t hold my breath. If Obama really wanted to rub W’s nose in it he could pardon them as his first act as president.


26 posted on 11/15/2008 10:33:24 AM PST by Terry Mross ( It's just a matter of time before we're all 'GUILTY' of hate speech.)
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To: All; Kaslin; pissant; Paperdoll; fetal heart beats by 21st day; patriotgal1787; Pinkbell; lakey; ...

I wonder how we can contact Gov. Sarah Palin and see if she can do something to try to urge President Bush to pardon, or at least commute Ramos and Compean.

If Gov. Palin did this, she would be an even bigger herorine than she is with conservatives.

Keep calling President Bush and sending him e-mails:

1-202-456-1111

comments@whitehouse.com

Pinging some of the Hunter supporters, because this is so important to him. Please let me know if you want on/off my low volume list.


27 posted on 11/15/2008 10:30:50 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Sun

I’ve left multiple messages for Bush. Hunter and Rorhbacher and a few others are still trying to twist Bush’s arm.


28 posted on 11/15/2008 10:33:12 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Sun
If Gov. Palin did this, she would be an even bigger herorine than she is with conservatives.

It would be worth a try, I suppose, but I am not particularly enamored of Palin, so I would not be one to ask...

29 posted on 11/15/2008 10:37:58 PM PST by roamer_1 (Proud 1%er... Reagan Conservatism is the only way forward.)
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To: pissant

“I’ve left multiple messages for Bush.”

Me too, but I wish as many people would contact him that contacted our politicians about amnesty. We stopped that, and if we only had mega people, we could stop the incarceration of these two heros, Ramos and Compean, as well.

I wish some of the talk show hosts would get on it so strongly.

Glad that Hunter and Rorhbacher are on it.


30 posted on 11/15/2008 10:50:32 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Kaslin

He’ll likely pardon drug dealer Osvaldo Aldrete Davila.


31 posted on 11/16/2008 7:03:29 AM PST by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
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To: Sun; dylanj9

Thanks for the ping Sun.
Governor Palin might be able to help out.


32 posted on 11/16/2008 9:52:41 AM PST by sweetiepiezer (I have a Pal in Sarah)
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To: mouse1; Sun

I just sent a nice letter to the Whitehouse regarding our request for pardoning these two border agents. Hopefully enough of us will get through to the POTUS and he shall see the fairness and the wisdom we request of him to perform.


33 posted on 11/16/2008 5:06:09 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Duncan Hunter was our best choice.)
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To: Kaslin
Whoops forgot to include you in my return reply to sun and mouse1, so:
I just sent a nice letter to the Whitehouse regarding our request for pardoning these two border agents. Hopefully enough of us will get through to the POTUS and he shall see the fairness and the wisdom we request of him to perform.
34 posted on 11/16/2008 5:08:38 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Duncan Hunter was our best choice.)
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To: Marine_Uncle

“I just sent a nice letter to the Whitehouse regarding our request for pardoning these two border agents. “

Thank you for doing that!

If enough of us contact the president, maybe he will AT LEAST communte their sentence for time served, as Rep. Duncan Hunter suggested.

Davila got less time than the border agents.


35 posted on 11/16/2008 5:55:20 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Kaslin

President Bush,

Pardon Ramos and Compean!


36 posted on 11/17/2008 12:28:24 AM PST by zeaal (SPREAD TRUTH!)
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To: chicagolady; Kaslin
I'm sticking up for chicagolady, Kaslin. I don't think he should be brought to trial for war crimes, but he should be brought to task (nice word, huh?) for trashing our economy.

I believe his and Cheney's agenda, as Establishment Men, was to toss us to the wolves from the very beginning, and bankrupt our country. And I thought that long ago.

The Bush family have long been One Worlders, and that means they need to scrap our constitution. They don't want illicit drugs to stop coming over the borders. They want every young person under some kind of control - brain-dead or military, or indebted to banks, and the rest of us on some kind of pill so as to enrich the pharmaceuticals.

Sr. Bush was liason to China (think hippies), then CIA, then vice-president, and then president.

Flame me. I know I'm right!

37 posted on 11/17/2008 6:35:36 PM PST by lakey
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To: lakey

He trashed the economy? Are you also drinking the liberal’s Koolaid? You are forgetting that the liberals are in charge in Congress. There was nothing wrong with the economy when the republicans were in the majority and that went back to 1994 when they got the majority.


38 posted on 11/17/2008 6:58:45 PM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
I lost my post to you so I'll begin again.

Which prez said that he wanted Social Security under Goldman Sacs' control - stock market? Bush.

Who worked for Goldman Sacs before becoming Treasury Secty? Paulson.

Who engineered investing in banks? Bush & Paulson.

Where do you go to open an IRA or 40lK? Banks.

The economy was great under Clinton. Who was Secty of the Treasury? Robert (play the Consumer Price Index game) Rubin.

Who is advisor now to Obama? Robert Rubin.

39 posted on 11/17/2008 7:21:32 PM PST by lakey
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To: lakey; Kaslin

I also wrote, “In any language, Kas, that’s socialism.”


40 posted on 11/17/2008 7:23:29 PM PST by lakey
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To: chicagolady
This is why he is the worst President, I am so sorry I voted for him. What a big disappointment.

Oh? Worse than Carter? Worse than LBJ, FDR or WJC?

41 posted on 11/17/2008 7:26:29 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Kaslin
Another thing, on Fox, today, someone stated that this "recession" would last 14 months.

They can determine how long?

Aw, as I once said to my plumber, "You can stroke me some ... but not too much."

42 posted on 11/17/2008 7:27:19 PM PST by lakey
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To: Grizzled Bear

Quit straying from the subject. Go have a beer or 12.


43 posted on 11/17/2008 7:27:37 PM PST by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: Grizzled Bear

They are/were all One Worlders. I don’t think Reagan was but he was led in that direction with Nafta.


44 posted on 11/17/2008 7:30:00 PM PST by lakey
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To: lakey

In one the largest single rounds of layoffs on record, not just for the financial industry but for any industry, Citigroup said on Monday that it planned to eliminate a staggering 52,000 jobs, or 14 percent of its global work force.

Guess whos in charge? Rubin,


45 posted on 11/17/2008 7:30:13 PM PST by linn37
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To: linn37

It was 53,000 jobs. Merry Christmas!


46 posted on 11/17/2008 7:34:48 PM PST by lakey
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To: chicagolady
Quit straying from the subject. Go have a beer or 12.

Sure. As soon as you put down the crack pipe.

47 posted on 11/17/2008 7:36:48 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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