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To: sickoflibs
Don't agree - GWB will be remembered as a CinC that saw U.S. lead efforts (destroy AQ) and change the world by helping to establish an atmosphere in the heart of the ME that allowed for a self-deporation away from Radical Islam, thus changing the world. History will be incredibly kind to him for having the stones to stay the course and insist on victory - He will be remembered as a POTUS that never raised taxes (and cut them across the board during his years to boot).

As for where we are now, The Republican Base abandoning GWB like it did (right or wrong on a specific issues) is what led to this. In doing so the base allowed the MSM to completely trash the GOP brand image (via push polls and constant attacks of the "R" President). In the this age of 24/7 news cycles this gave the MSM all it needed which they ran with constantly. This had a large effect on indy's and moderates, pushing them away from the "R" brand altogether. And reality is when it comes to immigration GWB was likely right strategically (for the need for the GOP to be seen as part of a real solution within the Hispanic community) but the WH was wrong tactically about how to go about it (border issues should have been offered up / implemented first). Our base, while right tactically then through away our strategic needs because they did not support the tactical actions of the WH on the issue. Sad.

And lets get off "GWB isn't a real conservative / Republican" - One could say the same thing (make the same associated lists) with regard to R. Reagan to suggest he was not a Republican (SDO on SCOUTs, tax raises of 86, further expansion of failed Soc. Sec and FICA tax increases, Full Amnesty with no requirements whatsoever when the problem was at a much more manageable level to address fully, cutting and running from Beirut, etc, etc). Reality is however, both R. Reagan and GWB were/are d*mn fine men and did without question what they thought was best for this Nation, not from the politically, they were leaders and both made the world & more importantly the United States safer because of their leadership.

21 posted on 11/15/2008 9:40:09 PM PST by SevenMinusOne
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To: SevenMinusOne
RE : The Republican Base abandoning GWB ..

You have to be kidding. It was GWB BETRAYING conservatism that made Obama’s talking points about being a moderate and cutting taxes and tracking down Bin Laden sound not so bad to the rest of the country.

My list refined :
1) promising the war would pay for itself(Cheney), and yes he DID scare democrats and republicans into voting for it. But it was HIS invasion, he said to world “TRUST ME”, Only a few hardcore delusional believers now think he was forced to invade immediately, and they cant win elections.
2) Claiming we were winning Iraq 2005-2006 and magically finding out after midterms 2006 we were really losing, when even FNC was reporting we were losing. Then demanding the money and troops we needed back in 2004. This probably killed GWB more than anything with voters.
3) Selling out on energy 2006, no drilling, ethanol instead, same with no child left behind, no vouchers, prescription drug give-away bankrupting medicaid(that's three)
4) Largest government and deficit in American history (we stand for what?)
5) Illegal amnesty bill including SS benefits for illegals (you too McCain), forcing rest of party to oppose him, prosecuting Border patrol agents and giving illegal drug dealers immunity to testify against them.
6) Driving down the dollar to stimulate HIS economic boom, not realizing the resulting inflation would kill it (DUHH, 1970s anyone?)
7) Almost forgot setting up Scooter Libby by forcing white house staff to sign waivers to protected press sources leading to members of press thrown in jail, forced to rat on Scooter, when Bush/Cheney themselves used executive powers to avoid any charges themselves(Scooter did not leak the name, you ever hear GWB say who did ?). He gave MSNBC a daily show theme for a year. Did you see justice department throwing press members in jail for CIA leaks, or for Secret prison classified leaks? No, only one case of this power , against Scooter.
8) Financial bailout bill, twisting R party arms to sign a piece of crap that made things worse and lost seats in congress and probably McCain's election too (McCain was tied to Bush after this and went down with him. He ended capitalism with this one.
9) Lastly, Pelosi/Obama, Reid, his final legacy. I will think of GWB every time they do something I don't like, WHICH IS EVERYTHING!

Yes, he did some things I liked, Alito and Roberts being my favorite, but so much crap. Complete destruction of party. Term ‘conservative’ is considered an ‘insult’.

FROM NATIONAL REVIEW (DO YOU NEED MORE REFERENCES??)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2129377/posts?page=17#17

30 posted on 11/16/2008 8:44:13 AM PST by sickoflibs (Mr President (GWB), Please go, you have done enough!)
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