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George W Bush could pardon spies involved in torture
Telegraph ^ | 15 Nov 2008 | Tim Shipman

Posted on 11/16/2008 7:14:46 AM PST by BGHater

George W Bush is considering issuing pardons for US spies embroiled in allegations of torture just before he leaves the White House.

Senior intelligence officers are lobbying the outgoing president to look after the men and women who could face charges for following his orders in the war on terrorism.

Many fear that Barack Obama, who has pledged to close the Guantanamo Bay detention camp and put an end to the policy of extraordinary rendition, could launch a legal witch hunt against those who oversaw the policies after he is sworn in on Jan 20.

Most vulnerable are US intelligence officers who took part in intensive interrogations against terrorist suspects, using techniques including water boarding, which many believe crossed the line into torture.

A former CIA officer familiar with the backstage lobbying for pardons, said: "These are the people President Bush asked to fight the war on terror for him. He gave them the green light to fight tough. The view of many in the intelligence community is that he should not leave them vulnerable to legal censure when he leaves.

"An effort is under way to get pre-emptive pardons. The White House has indicated that the matter is under consideration."

In addition to frontline CIA and military officers, others at risk could include David Addington, Dick Cheney's former counsel, and William Haynes, the former Pentagon general counsel who helped draw up the regulations governing enhanced interrogations.

Many in the Democratic party and human rights groups are calling on President-Elect Obama to tear up Mr Bush's executive orders licensing intensive interrogations on his first day in the Oval Office. They also want an immediate end to rendition, whereby suspects are flown to countries that practise torture.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: bush; bush43; espionage; justice; pardon; pardons; torture; wot

1 posted on 11/16/2008 7:14:46 AM PST by BGHater
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To: BGHater

When we reach a point where we cannot fight a war, without prosecuting our own for fighting it anyway necessary to win it, we are finished. The concept of national defense will be worthless.


2 posted on 11/16/2008 7:17:14 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: BGHater

I wish he’d pardon Ramos and Caminion (spelled?)
The border guards.


3 posted on 11/16/2008 7:17:45 AM PST by a real Sheila (Obama's presidency will cause Americans to have FOND memories of G.W. Bush.)
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To: a real Sheila

Any pardons that would enrage the left would be fine with me.


4 posted on 11/16/2008 7:19:46 AM PST by clintonh8r ("My friends, we've got them just where we want them." McCain. Or Custer.)
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To: BGHater
Most vulnerable are US intelligence officers who took part in intensive interrogations against terrorist suspects, using techniques including water boarding, which many believe crossed the line into torture.

Obama changing Bush's policy is one thing, but then applying the new policy to past practice is another, and wrong. These folks need a pardon -- even though they are not guilty of anything -- to protect them from Obama and the liberals.

My bigger concern is that all of us will be held accountable to a changed set of standards that are applied to the past. It is a way to weed out political adversaries.

5 posted on 11/16/2008 7:19:55 AM PST by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: a real Sheila

Yeah, but if Bush pardoned Ramos and Compean, he might ‘offend’ his ‘dear (corrupt) friend’ Johnny Sutton, the rogue prosecutor who sent those border agents up the river.

We’ll see Jesus come back before El Presidente Jorge Boosh pardon those border agents.


6 posted on 11/16/2008 7:20:50 AM PST by mkjessup (Senator Jim DeMint of South Carolina is RIGHT. McCain screwed us all. Welcome Comrade 0bama.)
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To: BGHater

Considering the Constitution has ceased to exist, will a pardon stop the Communists?


7 posted on 11/16/2008 7:21:21 AM PST by Crazieman (Feb 7, 2008 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1966675/posts?page=28#28)
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To: BGHater

There’s a couple of border patrol agents who’s pardons I’d like to see on his to do list.


8 posted on 11/16/2008 7:22:12 AM PST by HEY4QDEMS
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To: BGHater

Knowing Jorge, with Juan McCain’s endorsement, he will pardon the 20 million illegals and make them legal.


9 posted on 11/16/2008 7:22:25 AM PST by RetiredArmy (America is entering four very long and cold years. First victim: liberty)
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To: BGHater

This is absurd. By pardoning, he would be revealing their names making them a target for our enemies. Obama vote = Al Qaeda vote.


10 posted on 11/16/2008 7:37:02 AM PST by RushingWater (You say Obama - I say Ayers)
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To: bigheadfred

Should we start our wish list?


11 posted on 11/16/2008 7:38:56 AM PST by lilycicero
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To: BGHater

But will El Busho have the guts? He’s done exactly two things right over 8 years. They are named Roberts and Alito. And he had to be forced into that by public outcry over his attempt to follow in his fathers footsteps by naming a female Souter. (Assuming there is a difference there.) Will he use his pardon power honorably, unlike slick Willie? Of course he should start with 2 border guards, shouldn’t he!


12 posted on 11/16/2008 7:48:23 AM PST by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: BGHater
You mean Pardon people who kept me and my family safe ????

HELL yes!!!!!!

13 posted on 11/16/2008 7:55:31 AM PST by Cheetahcat (Osamabama the Wright kind of Racist!)
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To: mlocher

Not only should they get a pardon, but they should get a performance bonus.


14 posted on 11/16/2008 8:01:36 AM PST by IGOTMINE (1911s FOREVER!)
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To: BGHater
Jimmy Carter issued a general amnesty for all draft dodgers. Maybe Bush could pardon all people who interrogated terrorists, all soldiers who served in the war, Dick Cheney and John Bolton.

But I don't think he will. He would prefer to rely on the goodwill of the left, like his father. He's so darned "gracious".

15 posted on 11/16/2008 8:14:12 AM PST by Defiant (I for one welcome our new Obama Overlords.)
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To: lilycicero

Bush better pardon himself and post-date it. He’s going to need it when Obamanation starts.


16 posted on 11/16/2008 8:21:01 AM PST by DHC-2
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To: BGHater

Spies? What strange wording!

To pardon would be understood by many as admission of guilt. These men did nothing wrong.

I wish the British news outlets would tend to their own ruined house and quit trying to comment upon American issues.


17 posted on 11/16/2008 8:24:59 AM PST by TFMcGuire (Life is tough. It is even tougher if you are stupid--John Wayne)
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To: BGHater

I’m uneasy about this. W needs to tread lightly. I’m not concerned that a pardon of torturers would enrage the ‘Rats, but I am concerned what it would enrage Islamo-fascists. They could launch another terrorist attack and blame Bush because he “pardoned our torturers”.


18 posted on 11/16/2008 8:37:07 AM PST by LiberConservative (Typical white guy)
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To: lilycicero; BGHater; RetiredArmy; RushingWater; Oldpuppymax; Cheetahcat; Defiant; DHC-2; ...
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and

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19 posted on 11/16/2008 8:45:52 AM PST by bigheadfred (FREE EVAN VELA, freeevanvela.com)
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To: BGHater

Bush should issue a blanket pardon for the military, CIA, etc., excluding sexual assault, theft, and fraud. Imperfect justice, but better than persecution/prosecution by the Obama administration. Better to let one guilty person go free than to have 1000 innocent people punished.


20 posted on 11/16/2008 8:56:18 AM PST by omega4412
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To: BGHater

BTTT!


21 posted on 11/16/2008 9:02:32 AM PST by bigheadfred (FREE EVAN VELA, freeevanvela.com)
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To: DHC-2

That and post #11.....


22 posted on 11/16/2008 9:10:08 AM PST by lilycicero
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To: BGHater

He won’t.


23 posted on 11/16/2008 9:14:52 AM PST by I got the rope
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To: TFMcGuire

True. The British have to know that they are responsible for most of this mess. They are the ones that created little Kingdoms (where none existed) all over the middle-east.


24 posted on 11/16/2008 9:17:18 AM PST by I got the rope
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To: a real Sheila

Ramos and Campion. Amen!


25 posted on 11/16/2008 9:19:59 AM PST by TommyDale (I) (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: IGOTMINE

They should be pardoned and I would rather see my tax dollars go to a pension for them then bail out these other bast*rds.


26 posted on 11/16/2008 9:21:38 AM PST by ladyvet (WOLVERINES!!!!!)
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To: BGHater

I hope he doesn’t pardon them. Those men did what the American people wanted done, which was find out quickly what pending threats were still in existence and who was involved. If a poll had been taken in November of 2001 about torture the overwhelming majority of Americans would have said “do it, and make it painful.” Besides, the house and senate committees on intelligence knew all about what was going on and half of them were Democrats. This needs to come out even if it takes a court of law to do it. Furthermore, before they can be prosecuted the court would need to define what constitutes torture.


27 posted on 11/16/2008 9:36:05 AM PST by yazoo
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To: BGHater

Good they have kept MOOHAMAAD from killing another three thousand americans... Pardon away GW


28 posted on 11/16/2008 9:42:08 AM PST by crazydad
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To: a real Sheila

You beat us to it.


29 posted on 11/16/2008 9:51:41 AM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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To: BGHater

“George W Bush could pardon spies involved in torture”

Whatever you do Mr. Bush, don’t pardon border patrol agents who tried to protect your country!


30 posted on 11/16/2008 9:53:47 AM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925)
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To: DHC-2

A lot of people hoped W would go after Clinton in the legal sense. Wonder if O goes after W.


31 posted on 11/16/2008 10:20:22 AM PST by Terry Mross ( It's just a matter of time before we're all 'GUILTY' of hate speech.)
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To: BGHater

Tim Shipman! LOL!


32 posted on 11/16/2008 12:05:41 PM PST by an amused spectator (I am Joe, too - I'm talkin' to you, VBM: The Volkischer Beobachter Media)
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To: Terry Mross
Wonder if O goes after W.

Gads, I hope so.

33 posted on 11/16/2008 12:06:16 PM PST by an amused spectator (I am Joe, too - I'm talkin' to you, VBM: The Volkischer Beobachter Media)
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To: BGHater

If spies engaged in torture in California, how would a pardon protect them?

Presidential pardons do not shield people from prosecution by the state.


34 posted on 11/28/2008 12:53:41 PM PST by dbz77
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