Posted on 11/17/2008 6:06:22 AM PST by jonatron
United States President-Elect Barack Obama will support the Saudi Initiative for peace between Israel and Arab nations, the British Sunday Times reported Sunday.
Obama told Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas, “The Israelis would be crazy not to accept this initiative,” according to the Times. The initiative calls on Israel to withdraw completely to its 1949 borders in exchange for normalized relations with Arab League countries.
It includes a full retreat from the eastern half of Jerusalem, including the Temple Mount, and from the strategic Golan Heights in northern Israel.
The Saudi Plan has won limited support from President Shimon Peres, who says it could be used to launch negotiations. Other senior politicians and defense officials have dismissed the plan, saying it wold compromise Israel's security.
Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni and Defense Minister Ehud Barak, the heads of the Kadima and Labor parties, have not ruled out the Saudi Initiative completely. However, neither has expressed willingness to give away the Temple Mount or major Israeli population centers located east of Israel's 1949 borders.
Approximately 600,000 Israeli citizens live in the areas, including eastern neighborhoods of Jerusalem, demanded for the PA under the Saudi plan.
The plan also calls on Israel to find a solution for the plight of millions of foreign Arabs who claim descent from those who fled Israel during the War of Independence. They are considered refugees by Arab governments and continually have been denied citizenship in their countries of birth. While proponents of the plan have welcomed the plan as a chance to deal with the refugees without granting them Israeli citizenship, some Arab leaders have warned that any alternative to allowing the millions to “return” to Israel is unacceptable.
PA-based terrorist groups such as Hamas and Islamic Jihad are among those who insist that every Arab who identifies as a descendant of a former resident of Israel be allowed to live in Israel.
Abbas: Retreat or War
Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas addressed a letter to PA Arabs on Saturday saying Israel must retreat to its 1949 borders or face war. “The passage of years... will not force us to abandon or surrender a single inch,” of Judea, Samaria or Jerusalem, Abbas said in the letter, which was published by PA media. The letter was sent in honor of PA “Independence Day.” While the PA does not rule an independent country, it celebrates “independence” each year in honor of the PA having declared itself an independent entity 20 years ago.
It begins...
No, but losing a war YOU STARTED did. Get over it.
Is that an actual quote, from a credible source?
Is there a difference b/w the ‘48 and ‘67 borders?
Hmm, wonder how long until Obama demands we give up Texas and portions of the Southwest because we unfairly took it from Mexico.
But all of those Jewish kids called their grandparents in Florida and said Obama would be a friend to Israel?
That guy looks just like Barak Obama. Oh, it is.
Tune in next week..
Me, too. :>)
However, P-M, those who think this way will one day want to attack Israel, thinking it friendless. A believer in God would pause at that point and ask himself if he really believed God had no regard any longer for Israel.
That they’d be willing to attack Israel indicates to me that they do not believe in our God.
They will find out the hard way.
I don’t know. Is the British Sunday Times any more or less credible than any other media outlet?
The quote is from the story, I did not make it up.
They just got it slightly wrong. Obama will be a fiend to Israel..
The Seventy “Sevens”
20 While I was speaking and praying, confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel and making my request to the LORD my God for his holy hill- 21 while I was still in prayer, Gabriel, the man I had seen in the earlier vision, came to me in swift flight about the time of the evening sacrifice. 22 He instructed me and said to me, “Daniel, I have now come to give you insight and understanding. 23 As soon as you began to pray, an answer was given, which I have come to tell you, for you are highly esteemed. Therefore, consider the message and understand the vision:
24 “Seventy ‘sevens’ [c] are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish [d] transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy. [e]
25 “Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decree [f] to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, [g] the ruler, comes, there will be seven ‘sevens,’ and sixty-two ‘sevens.’ It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble. 26 After the sixty-two ‘sevens,’ the Anointed One will be cut off and will have nothing. [h] The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed. 27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ [i] In the middle of the ‘seven’ [j] he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him. [k] “ [l]
I think this source should be viewed with skepticism.
Does he also advocate the USA’s retreat to our 1776 borders? If so, I’m all for it: I can move west of the Appalachians and be done with the crazies in Washington.
smaller target.
American democrat jews are anti-zionist. That should explain everything.
And they voted for this man -— the Anti-Christ?
Yeah. That way the Arab League countries can return to their normalized 1949 hatred of Israel...
Here's your “normalized relations”...
In fact, he is such a friend of Israel he is planning a good old fashioned Waco style barbeque for his Jewish pals. You think Janet Reno is involved with the planning?
You know, this reminds me of the difference between a towel head, an AAAArab, and an Arab. It is the same as the difference between a black man and...remaining comments self censored.
Two things. Israel would be crazy to accept this deal and historically "Normalized" relations with the Arab league has been a state of active war.
Gee. I wonder if those NY and east coast Jews should get their tickets to Israel IMMEDIATELY, before Obama kills their future plans to go to Jerusalem.
God simply will not stand for this.
All about Saudi compaign contributions paying dividends.
Hey, Barry, how about a “retreat” to the original proposed division: the 2/3 of Palestine east of the Jordan River is Arab, the 1/3 west of the river is Israeli?
Gaza worked out so well...give em more.
Well, if the Israelis think this is a good idea, who am I to complain? But in their shoes I wouldn't accept it.
What borders does Chairman Obama want the US to retreat to?
Obama would prefer a no border Israel... and it’s inhabitants pushed into the sea.
They voted for him in droves.
Obama is all about change--to Clinton redux. He is hiring virtually ALL the old Clintonites.
vaudine.
She will be the featured guest. Nevertheless, the results of such attempts may be subject to “The Law of Unintended Consequences”..
The plan also calls on Israel to find a solution for the plight of millions of foreign Arabs who claim descent from those who fled Israel during the War of Independence.”
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Let’s see. So you divide Jerusalem, give up the Golan and you’re saddled with finding a home for millions of Arabs. What country in the region would accept them? The plan is to carve up Israel and then over run what is left demographically. You would have to be a stark raving nutter to accept any such plan.
I don’t know if zer0 made the above statement, but I have no doubt he supports such a plan.
The Jews don’t believe Christ has come yet. Therefore, there can be no anti-christ without a “first Christ”. But I don’t think God will hold this against them in the final days.
This story, by the way, is ridiculous... It will NEVER happen. H will be a strong friend to Isr.
Huge difference. 49 borders do not include the temple mount and parts of Jerusalem. And the 1967 borders are not defensible in the modern world. If they agree to the 49 borders, they may as well pack up and leave before the deal is complete.
Im with you. Thank God we will see that day with rejoicing!
The final days are all about God teaching the Jews to accept the Christ that has come the first time and will be coming soon. The antichrist will be a big part of teaching them this lesson.
The whole point of the tribulation is about God saving the Jews. They are His covenant people and occupy the only land He has put His name on. He will not abandon them.
There is a way to solve this.
Force march all West Bank Arabs to Gaza.
Give Gaza back to Egypt.
Does it include sacrificing a pig in a Jewish Temple?
Hey Crazieman, don't be giving him any ideas!! Well, Texas should just secede and send the Austin liberals back to CA and NY.
Abbas: Did we say 1949? No, that's a typo. We want the Jews to retreat to their 1944 borders.
My last bit of sympathy for Palestinians evaporated when I saw them dancing in the streets and passing out candy in celebration on September 11, 2001.
Hope you Jewish Americans are happy with who you voted for.
Yep, this will hasten the arrival of the Tribulation, Gog/Magog war, etc.
How would we like it if the headline read “Israel Favors US Retreat to 1776 Borders.”
I think so....what do you think?
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