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Obama as role model for black youth? Not so fast
reuters ^ | Nov 17, 2008 | Matthew Bigg

Posted on 11/17/2008 8:32:37 AM PST by mdittmar

The election of the first black president in U.S. history should send a powerful signal to young black Americans: If Barack Obama made it, so can you.

But some African Americans living in inner city Atlanta said that while Obama is a role model his life appeared so far removed from their own struggles that it was difficult to see how they could use it to spur their own success.

Others said that even something as momentous as Obama's election would not make it easy to acquire the self-belief that they needed to move forward.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bho2008; blackpresident; obama; obamatransitionfile; oreo
Seems the bloom is of the rose already,that didn't take long.
1 posted on 11/17/2008 8:32:37 AM PST by mdittmar
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To: mdittmar

Role model for youth? Hanging out with criminals, terrorists, anti-Americans, radical socialists, racists....?

Sure as hell not for my kids....!!!!


2 posted on 11/17/2008 8:34:07 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: mdittmar

Well even Michelle Obama told young black America not to work for corporations.

Anyone who holds you back is not your friend.

Those in the community who are branding them “sellouts” for attempting personal achievment are evil.


3 posted on 11/17/2008 8:34:59 AM PST by weegee (Global Warming Change? Fight Global Socialist CHANGE.)
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To: mdittmar
The election of the first black mulatto president in U.S. history...
4 posted on 11/17/2008 8:36:46 AM PST by realdifferent1 ("If you saw Atlas,...what would you tell him to do?"... "To shrug.")
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To: mdittmar

Translation:

“We are not giving up our victimhood. Obama won’t change a thing, we still have more excuses as to why we are low lifes, and most of them come down to one thing: It’s whitey’s fault.”


5 posted on 11/17/2008 8:37:17 AM PST by brownsfan (We are sooooo screwed.)
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To: mdittmar
Others said that even something as momentous as Obama's election would not make it easy to acquire the self-belief that they needed to move forward.

What makes them think that they need "self-belief" to move forward? They need to get their act in gear and just accomplish things. Real self-esteem comes from actual accomplishments or it's meaningless and useless. I'm once again shocked beyond words that anyone would think that the election of one person to the White House should affect another person's sense of "self-belief" or any other part of their self-image.

6 posted on 11/17/2008 8:37:39 AM PST by MathDoc (26 December 1860; 7 December 1941; 11 September 2001; 8 November 2008)
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To: mdittmar

Most folks don’t have a couple of communists as parents, either.


7 posted on 11/17/2008 8:37:55 AM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: brownsfan
We are not giving up our victimhood.

Of course not. It's so much easier to sit around and blame someone else for your troubles than to get off your ass and do something about it yourself.

8 posted on 11/17/2008 8:38:55 AM PST by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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To: brownsfan
We are not giving up our victimhood.

exactly. it's a hard habit to break as it has served as an excuse to avoid personally accountability for so long. And, the race baiters gain too much power and wealth from it.

9 posted on 11/17/2008 8:39:56 AM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: MathDoc

Righto.

I’ve always found it odd that liberals believe that accomplishment grows out of self-esteem, rather than (appropriate) self-esteem out of accomplishment.


10 posted on 11/17/2008 8:41:10 AM PST by Sherman Logan (Everyone has a right to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.)
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To: mdittmar
"Cook said he wanted to be a successful rapper and admired Jay-Z because he had made a transition from music stardom to corporate power."

"Cook" needs to get and education and a real job. How come young blacks think the only way to wealth is through the entertainment industry. How about using your brain for once. Cook can be his own "corporate power" by just selling lemonade on the corner as a single person S-Corp.
11 posted on 11/17/2008 8:44:01 AM PST by LetsRok
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To: mdittmar

Yes. Now ALL inner-city black children can dream of being born into relative wealth, abandoned by both their fathers and mothers to be reared by theri Bank Executive grandmothers, sent to elite private schools, “affirmative actioned” into Ivy League colleges and, despite their inherent mediocrity, be swept from obscurity into power-politics by Marxist handlers simply becasue they have a pretty face and their skin is the “right” color.

Oh well, at least they can get the “abandoned by their parents and reared by grandmothers” part, anyway.


12 posted on 11/17/2008 8:44:15 AM PST by WayneS (Cynic? I prefer "Realist")
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To: WayneS

If you want to watch a TV show that portrays the “Obama experience”, just watch “Different Strokes”. Arnold and Willis were adopted by Mr Drummond when his housekeeper died and left them orphaned. They only “acted black” around their friends, but retreated to the safety of “whiteys penthouse” every evening.


13 posted on 11/17/2008 8:49:45 AM PST by LetsRok
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To: mdittmar

Actually, Obama should be a role model for African Americans—not in terms of his politics, which is the left’s welfare plantation writ large—but in terms of his life: say in school, don’t fret about ‘acting white’, learn to write and speak standard English well, network with people of all races in your chosen field.

Back in the early ‘80’s I and two conservatives from the Physics Dept. at Penn crashed a ‘racism awareness workshop’, a silly event at which politically correct types tried to reinforce white guilt in ditzy liberal college girls (and I mean that—their maturity level did not warrant the word women). I managed to be the most disruptive as proved by the fact that the student ‘faciliators’ couldn’t argue effectively against me, and they had to pull the dean in charge of the event from her group to take over the one I was assigned to.

I argued that except in irrelevant backwaters, American racism was dead, that what prejudice remained in society at large was a rational prejudice against the culture of the underclass: a young black man dressed in Army surplus and speaking ghetto dialect would be regarded with suspicion and hostility upon entering an upmarket store, while the same black man dressed in a suit and speaking standard English would be treated as a valued customer. This observation, which no one disputed, sufficed to show that it was not race, but culture that was the cause of prejudice. And in as much as the ghetto subculture inculcated violent behavior and winked at crime, this was not invidious prejudice, but a rational reaction to the culture.

By the end, the entire dicussion focused on culture, rather than race.

It was very soon after this that American anti-racism started calling itself ‘multiculturalism’, a term previously used almost exclusively in Canada. I really wonder whether or not I had something to do with that shift.


14 posted on 11/17/2008 8:50:19 AM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: Sherman Logan
I’ve always found it odd that liberals believe that accomplishment grows out of self-esteem, rather than (appropriate) self-esteem out of accomplishment.

Yep. 'Self esteem' might help you with your first interview, afer that it's results that count. People with talent and the moxie to put it to use are the ones who succeed. Group identity be damned.

15 posted on 11/17/2008 8:50:46 AM PST by Skid Marx
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To: realdifferent1

EXACTLY


16 posted on 11/17/2008 8:54:04 AM PST by trialbyfire (Black conservatives are people too.)
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To: mdittmar
nah, this guy looks like a bad influence. ;)
17 posted on 11/17/2008 8:56:08 AM PST by rightwinggoth
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To: rightwinggoth

I actually like that guy BETTER than the media-created image those suckers elected.


18 posted on 11/17/2008 8:58:43 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: realdifferent1

That is an important distinction. Half-white/half-black means first black to the MSM.


19 posted on 11/17/2008 9:01:22 AM PST by cweese (Hook 'em Horns!!!)
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To: mdittmar

We need a program to send at-risk inner-city black kids to Indonesia for a couple of years during grade school. They’ll come back motivated to succeed in life. It worked for Obama.


20 posted on 11/17/2008 9:03:13 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Sherman Logan

Liberals conflate self-esteem - thinking well of oneself - with self-respect. Self-respect comes from a sense of accomplishment.


21 posted on 11/17/2008 9:04:33 AM PST by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: brownsfan

Exactly!

After all of the poison that they have been fed for decades that helped make them comfortable with failure by blaming it on someone else, you think they are going to give that up for a life of having to show results and being responsible?

If anything, they are hoping Obama helps make mediocrity so much more profitable.


22 posted on 11/17/2008 9:04:41 AM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: econjack
"It's so much easier to sit around and blame someone else for your troubles than to get off your ass and do something about it yourself. "

That's only true if the government (WE) are supporting them...and we are.
23 posted on 11/17/2008 9:08:34 AM PST by FrankR (Where's Waldo ([W]here [A]re [L]egal [D]ocuments [O]bama? (i.e. birth certificate))
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To: mdittmar
Actually, most blacks are more qualified than obama...they have birth certificates that prove they are citizens.

So which obama accounted for the win...the half-black obama, or the half-white obama?
24 posted on 11/17/2008 9:10:31 AM PST by FrankR (Where's Waldo ([W]here [A]re [L]egal [D]ocuments [O]bama? (i.e. birth certificate))
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To: The_Reader_David

Were you invited by the Dean to join her faculty group as a student facilitator?


25 posted on 11/17/2008 9:12:41 AM PST by B4Ranch (("In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way." FDR)
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To: mdittmar
"Yes we can!" - redistribute wealth

"No we can't!" - create and contribute any wealth to re-distribute.

26 posted on 11/17/2008 9:15:02 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: mdittmar; SpookBrat; JustAmy; Mama_Bear

You want a Black role model and really TICK OFF the Democrats at the same time? This magnificent (dare I say “Rovian”) plan was emailed to me by a friend. Wish I’d thought of it. ;-)

...

Bush should resign now. Then Dick Cheney becomes President (that would really TICK OFF the libs)!!! Then he appoints Condoleeza Rice as VP. Then Cheney resigns two weeks later and Condoleeza Rice, A Republican, becomes the first BLACK - WOMAN President!!!

BINGO - we’ve out done the LIBS!!! THAT would be AWESOME!!!

...

I’d just add Condi should appoint Sarah Palin as VP - THEN we’d have the first WOMAN President and WOMAN VP. Liberal heads would explode throughout the nation. ;-)


27 posted on 11/17/2008 9:22:19 AM PST by Jen (The original point and click interface was a Smith & Wesson.)
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To: brownsfan

*Applause*


28 posted on 11/17/2008 9:33:26 AM PST by mrsmel (That one is not my president.)
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To: rightwinggoth

A Chicago thug is not a role model.


29 posted on 11/17/2008 9:55:32 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: WayneS

Booker T. Washington set a much better example than Obama. Black youth don’t need to go to Law School, agitate as a “community organizer,” or live off the public teet as a politician. They don’t need more volunteerism, and they don’t need to serve their nation in exchange for tuition.

They need to get a damn job, then let their kids or grandkids have fun not being economically productive.


30 posted on 11/17/2008 10:40:58 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: Jen

“BINGO - we’ve out done the LIBS!!! THAT would be AWESOME!!!”

I don’t know if I’d use the term awesome for that situtation. Insane is more like it. First of all, we aren’t a banana republic. Secondly, I believe Rice’s appointment would have to be approved by Congress, and there simply isn’t time.


31 posted on 11/17/2008 10:46:37 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: realdifferent1
The election of the first black mulatto president in U.S. history...

Sorry, I find that a rather tasteless comment.

The vast majority of "black" people in America have some "white" ancestry. As my paternal forbears have been in the US since at least King George, it's quite likely I have some "black" ancestry as well.

"Race" really IS irrelevent. Culture is NOT. Words like "mulatto" or "octoroon" perpetuate a period when racism was institutionalized by law. Even where it wasn't by law, such as the People's Republic of Washington where I grew up, it was defacto. The neighborhood my parents bought into in the fifties in Seattle had explicit race restrictions - and religious ones as well - in the deed restrictions.

Obama's presidency, which may turn out a disaster in other ways, has been a very good thing in ONE way at least. We have a "black" man as President-elect.

I just wish it was Walter Williams.

32 posted on 11/17/2008 11:01:29 AM PST by jimt
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To: Tublecane

It’s a joke. Don’t you get it?


33 posted on 11/17/2008 11:13:51 AM PST by Jen (The original point and click interface was a Smith & Wesson.)
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To: Tublecane
Oh, I agree. Up From Slavery has to be one of the best books I've read. In a nutshell, Booker T. Washington didn't give a rat's neck about black "civil rights".

He believed that would take care of itself once the negro became a valued, and value adding, member of the community. Let the negro become a well digger, run a laundry service, a shoe repairman, a house painter, or a fry cook, what -- let him be capable, professional, offer the best service for the best price, in short be a businessman (or woman). Then step would follow step...

But that rationalist plan went by the wayside with the arrival of the 20th century, the impatience of socialism, W.E.B. Du Bois, the founding of the NAACP,et al. radicals demanding tomorrow today. This mindset slumbered fitfully in WWII but came roaring back in the 1960s.

34 posted on 11/17/2008 11:15:14 AM PST by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: Jen

“Don’t you get it?”

I get it, I just don’t think it is at all within the realm of possibility, which hurts the joke a bit.


35 posted on 11/17/2008 11:20:00 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: Jen
Doesn't the VP have to resign in order to be able to substitute a VP? Or does the line of ascendency require that both President and Vice President resign/expire for anyone else to ascend?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Ford

Ford was nominated to take Agnew's position on October 12, the first time the vice-presidential vacancy provision of the 25th Amendment had been implemented. The United States Senate voted 92 to 3 to confirm Ford on November 27. Only three Senators, all Democrats, had voted against Ford's confirmation: Gaylord Nelson of Wisconsin, Thomas Eagleton of Missouri and William Hathaway of Maine. On December 6, the House confirmed Ford by a vote of 387 to 35. One hour after the confirmation vote in the House, Ford took the oath of office as Vice President of the United States.

snip

On August 20, Ford nominated former New York Governor Nelson Rockefeller to fill the vice presidency he had vacated. Rockefeller's top competitor had been George H. W. Bush. Rockefeller underwent extended hearings before Congress, which caused embarrassment when it was revealed he made massive gifts to senior aides, such as Henry Kissinger. Although conservative Republicans were not pleased that Rockefeller was picked, most of them did vote for his confirmation, and his nomination passed both the House and Senate.


36 posted on 11/17/2008 12:06:17 PM PST by weegee (Global Warming Change? Fight Global Socialist CHANGE.)
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To: weegee

Heck I don’t know! LOL. It was a joke sent to me by a friend with a sense of humor. It made me laugh at imagining the liberal heads exploding! Not too many things make me laugh these days. That did so I thought I’d share it. Good grief. I’m logging out and getting on with my real life.


37 posted on 11/17/2008 12:13:55 PM PST by Jen (The original point and click interface was a Smith & Wesson.)
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To: WayneS
"despite their inherent mediocrity"

As I've been saying here for years as someone who has watched his career from the start, if someone believes that Obama is just an empty suit, they have not been paying attention.

It's a mistake that Obama's political opponents have made over and over, and as political mistakes go IMO it's likely right up there with the assumption that "Ronald Reagen is just an actor".

38 posted on 11/17/2008 12:17:22 PM PST by M. Dodge Thomas
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To: Jen

LOL

Sounds great if it will work.

Thanks, Jen.


39 posted on 11/17/2008 3:50:58 PM PST by JustAmy (I wear red every Friday, but I support our Military everyday!!)
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To: JustAmy

Oh, it would never work. But it is funny thinking of how the liberals would react. ;-)

Nice to “see” you again!


40 posted on 11/18/2008 5:00:06 AM PST by Jen (The original point and click interface was a Smith & Wesson.)
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To: jimt

And I don’t really care about your opinion.


41 posted on 11/18/2008 12:43:00 PM PST by realdifferent1 ("If you saw Atlas,...what would you tell him to do?"... "To shrug.")
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To: Jen

Well, I knew it was a joke and I thought it was funny. Thanks for the ping, friend.


42 posted on 11/18/2008 1:54:56 PM PST by Mama_Bear
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To: B4Ranch

Har! har! I think I would have been declared persona non grata by the Office of Student Life if they could have.

I’ve been unsuccessful in tracking down the first use of the word ‘multiculturalism’ as a desideratum by politically correct anti-racist types, but I’m fairly sure it was some time in the mid to late ‘80’s, just about the time I confronted the academic race-hustlers at Penn with my insistence that irrational race prejudice had been superceded by rational cultural prejudice.


43 posted on 11/18/2008 4:05:33 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: realdifferent1

Courtesy AND intelligence. What a combo !


44 posted on 11/19/2008 2:33:45 PM PST by jimt
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