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Pres. Candidate Alan Keyes, AIP leaders [Markham Robinson] Sue Obtain Obama Citizenship Proof
Post Chronicle ^ | Nov 17, 2008

Posted on 11/17/2008 12:45:33 PM PST by Red Steel

Presidential candidate

Alan Keyes, vice-presidential candidate Wiley S. Drake, and the Chairman of the American Independent Party, Markham Robinson, have filed suit in California Superior Court in Sacramento seeking to bar Secretary of State Debra Bowen from certifying to Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger the names of Electors, and from transmitting to each presidential Elector a Certificate of Election, until documentary proof is produced and verified showing that Senator Obama is a "natural born" citizen of the United States, and does not hold citizenship of Indonesia, Kenya or Great Britain.

In addition, they have asked that the court issue a peremptory writ barring Senator Obama's California Electors from signing the Certificate of Vote until such documentary proof is produced and verified.

In response to questions about why the suit was being filed, Ambassador Keyes commented, "I and others are concerned that this issue be properly investigated and decided before Senator Obama takes office. Otherwise there will be a serious doubt as to the legitimacy of his tenure. This doubt would also affect the respect people have for the Constitution as the supreme law of the land. I hope the issue can be quickly clarified so that the new President can take office under no shadow of doubt. This will be good for him and for the nation."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Politics/Elections; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: alankeyes; bc; birthcertificate; birthcertificategate; certifigate; keyes; lawsuit; obama; obamafamily; obamatruthfile; whenobamaspeakstruth; whenwillthisdie
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1 posted on 11/17/2008 12:45:34 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

I vote for Alan Keyes at every opportunity. This year I got to vote for him in the primary, but alas he was not on the general election ticket here.


2 posted on 11/17/2008 12:50:35 PM PST by Edgar3 ("Is there a Patriot in the house?")
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To: Red Steel

Keyes does have a bone to pick with Obama


3 posted on 11/17/2008 12:50:44 PM PST by MadelineZapeezda (Have you girded your loins today??????)
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To: Red Steel
"This will be good for him and for the nation."

You betcha!

4 posted on 11/17/2008 12:50:57 PM PST by Faith
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To: Red Steel
Alan Keyes

Keyes is a Constitutional scholar. Hopefully, he'll know what strings to pull to get this done right.

5 posted on 11/17/2008 12:51:39 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Edgar3

I regularly donate to his political campaigns


6 posted on 11/17/2008 12:52:33 PM PST by captain_dave
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To: Red Steel

The suit brought by Keyes vs. California Secretary of State in PDF format, 19 pages.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/AlanKeyesSuit.pdf

7 posted on 11/17/2008 12:53:23 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel
"I and others are concerned that this issue be properly investigated and decided before Senator Obama takes office. Otherwise there will be a serious doubt as to the legitimacy of his tenure. This doubt would also affect the respect people have for the Constitution as the supreme law of the land. I hope the issue can be quickly clarified so that the new President can take office under no shadow of doubt. This will be good for him and for the nation."

The simple logic of this is so crystal clear, non-partisan, and non-racist I am absolutely dumbfounded the question even needed to be asked. I am even more dumbfounded that Obama cannot comprehend this simple notion. His lack of leadership, and perhaps intelligence, speaks volumes.
8 posted on 11/17/2008 12:53:46 PM PST by so_real
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To: Red Steel

With Alan Keyes on the job, there is no way this lawsuit can fail!

(sarcasm, by the way....)


9 posted on 11/17/2008 12:55:23 PM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: Red Steel

I saw AIP and immediately thought African Press, but my momentary dyslexia went away. Whew.


10 posted on 11/17/2008 12:55:26 PM PST by ScottinVA (Gloucester County, VA -- Standing for America! 63% for McCain-Palin on 4 Nov)
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To: Red Steel

11 posted on 11/17/2008 12:58:41 PM PST by marshmallow (USA: Bailout Nation)
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To: Red Steel

That Alan Koo-Koo-Keyes would jump into this silly soup at this late date is further evidence of his utter irrelevance.

What a dope...


12 posted on 11/17/2008 1:04:49 PM PST by seanrobins (blog.seanrobins.com)
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To: concerned about politics

Keyes I would trust when it comes to the Constitution. Obama, not so much.


13 posted on 11/17/2008 1:05:13 PM PST by wastedyears (Every FReeper is on Obama's Black List. He will try to have us all "taken care of." Mark my words)
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To: marshmallow; All

Wait... his mother’s name is Stanley? There’s something wrong there...


14 posted on 11/17/2008 1:06:27 PM PST by wastedyears (Every FReeper is on Obama's Black List. He will try to have us all "taken care of." Mark my words)
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To: wastedyears

No, that’s it....


15 posted on 11/17/2008 1:06:53 PM PST by seanrobins (blog.seanrobins.com)
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To: ConservativeDude

This thing has officially jumped the shark, I’m afraid...


16 posted on 11/17/2008 1:07:45 PM PST by Constitution Day (Big Brotha Is Watching You)
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To: marshmallow

If you think that proves anything, you need to do some reading. That fake COLB has been disputed many times over.


17 posted on 11/17/2008 1:08:06 PM PST by Free America52
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To: MadelineZapeezda
Keyes, as a Presidential Candidate, also has STANDING!!!
18 posted on 11/17/2008 1:09:50 PM PST by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY ( The Constitution needs No interpreting, only APPLICATION!)
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To: Free America52

Alert - we have a dim-witted Obamamaniac on the board. That’s you RedSteel. The facts stand against you, no matter how much spin you try.


19 posted on 11/17/2008 1:09:55 PM PST by Free America52
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To: Free America52
Uh....I know.

Let me list a few of the excuses from the conspiracy nuts.

Where is the embossed seal and the registrar’s signature?

Comparing it to other Hawaii birth certificates, the color shade is different.

Isn’t the date stamp bleeding through the back of the document “June 2007?” (Odd since it was supposedly released in June 2008.)

There’s no crease from being folded and mailed.

It’s clearly Photoshopped and a wholesale fraud.

Any more?

20 posted on 11/17/2008 1:11:32 PM PST by marshmallow (USA: Bailout Nation)
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To: Red Steel
As to the personal reasons why Alan Keyes might have for wanting this resolved, those are his. However, if there are no improprieties here, then there NO reason under the sun why the Birth Certificate (the real one)cannot be shown.

Anyone can tell a lie all day long if no one forces them to show the proof.

If everything is on the up-and-up, then there is no reason to hide it. You would think obama would show it, just to put egg on all the faces that are demanding it.

I smell a demoRAT.
21 posted on 11/17/2008 1:11:58 PM PST by FrankR (Where's Waldo ([W]here [A]re [L]egal [D]ocuments [O]bama? (i.e. birth certificate))
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To: seanrobins

I believe you’re the DOPE, for thinking the Constitution doesn’t matter!


22 posted on 11/17/2008 1:12:18 PM PST by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY ( The Constitution needs No interpreting, only APPLICATION!)
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To: marshmallow

Was he born with the name Barack Hussein Obama II? I don’t think that would be his name on a 1961 Birth Certificate.


23 posted on 11/17/2008 1:12:23 PM PST by mortal19440
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To: Free America52

Can someone then tell us WHAT the facts are, and WHAT the sources for those facts are?

The only thing the “tin-foil hats” keep screaming are thei conclusions.

How about some of those facts, and the evidence for them. And please, lets not cite more bloggers.

This is all just so embarassing. Don’t we have better bases for opposing Bambi?


24 posted on 11/17/2008 1:13:03 PM PST by seanrobins (blog.seanrobins.com)
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To: seanrobins
That puts up a huge red flag.
25 posted on 11/17/2008 1:14:13 PM PST by wastedyears (Every FReeper is on Obama's Black List. He will try to have us all "taken care of." Mark my words)
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To: Free America52

Welcome to FR to you too.


26 posted on 11/17/2008 1:14:37 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY

I didn’t say or imply that, and you know it. (Can we TRY and leave the dishonest arguments to the Dims?)

My critique is of the argument (not that Obama needs to be a citizen to be president) - but the raging kookiness behind the continuing fight to prove that he’s not.

I disagree with the those wearing the tin-foils hats, NOT with the Constitution. The two are not the same thing.


27 posted on 11/17/2008 1:15:58 PM PST by seanrobins (blog.seanrobins.com)
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To: Red Steel

I have always liked Alan Keyes. He should have stuck to being a commentator rather than getting into politics, because he just doesn’t seem to have any political instincts. Some people might think that’s good—but you need to get elected before you can accomplish anything, and Keyes has an unfortunate way of turning off his friends and allies and offending the voters. He just can’t put a team together and get along with the people he needs to get along with.

But his ideas are certainly good.


28 posted on 11/17/2008 1:16:59 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: FrankR
I smell a demoRAT.

These particular threads bring them out of hiding.

29 posted on 11/17/2008 1:17:02 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: wastedyears

You mean, the first name “Stanley”? Why? It is what it is. So what? Her first name was Stanley, and she went by Ann. Stanley was a family name - I forget which relative... unusual, but not unheard of.

If the “red flag” is that this is a fact with which you are unfamiliar, then...oh, well.... I don’t think a court would care too much about that.


30 posted on 11/17/2008 1:18:21 PM PST by seanrobins (blog.seanrobins.com)
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To: wastedyears
"Keyes I would trust when it comes to the Constitution."

Keyes careens along at about 2400 psi, which made him an awful candidate. He won't lose for lack of energy, and he definitely DOES know the constitution.

31 posted on 11/17/2008 1:19:27 PM PST by cookcounty ("A ship in harbor is safe, but that's not why the ship is built." ---Governor Sarah Palin)
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To: seanrobins

Where is the embossed seal? And wouldn’t he be a JR not a II?


32 posted on 11/17/2008 1:19:37 PM PST by Caribou
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To: seanrobins

Well, the big fact staring us in the face is that the birth certificate has gone on for months, there are numerous reasons, if not rising to absolute proofs, to think that Obama may not be an American citizen, and yet he has refused to cough up decent evidence.

Nor has he provided any other basic records: health records, academic records, college thesis, or anything else.

Also, he has a pretty good record of lying about his past.

So, why is it so unreasonable to demand proof that he is qualified to be president? It was demanded of mcCain, and he provided his birth certificate immediately. Obama refuses. A poor and dubious copy posted on the net is NOT proof of anything.


33 posted on 11/17/2008 1:20:10 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Red Steel

Keyes let himself be used as a tool to elect Obama in the first place. Oh irony every day you crop up.


34 posted on 11/17/2008 1:20:30 PM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: Edgar3
Wiley Drake needs to go back home to Buena Park, Calif., and pastor his church, that has not grown in over 50 years.
35 posted on 11/17/2008 1:21:35 PM PST by Coldwater Creek ("There is no insanity greater than electing a pathological Narcissist as president.")
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To: Red Steel

its a shame, but its wasting time and energy on nonesense like this, rather than trying to regain conservative control over the GOP, that has gotten us where we are today.

The election’s over already....

We need to start “debrieding” the RINO’s and the so0called “centrists” and “moderates” from the party, and refocus on real conservatism, for the first time in eight or twn years. That’s the way to beat Bambi.

Not putting on those shiney metallic hats.


36 posted on 11/17/2008 1:21:43 PM PST by seanrobins (blog.seanrobins.com)
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To: MadelineZapeezda

“Keyes does have a bone to pick with Obama”

Yes, he does. But he is patriot first. He puts our country first ahead of everything else.


37 posted on 11/17/2008 1:22:14 PM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Caribou
Where is the embossed seal? And wouldn’t he be a JR not a II?

In Hawaii, both the seal and registrar's signature are on the back of the document.

38 posted on 11/17/2008 1:22:42 PM PST by marshmallow (USA: Bailout Nation)
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To: Caribou

That’s not my scan. I’m not part of the “investigative team” scouring the coutryside for documentary evidence concerning this or that COLB, and on and on....

You can do that.....

thanks.


39 posted on 11/17/2008 1:23:01 PM PST by seanrobins (blog.seanrobins.com)
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To: seanrobins
I disagree with the those wearing the tin-foils hats, NOT with the Constitution. The two are not the same thing

The document shown in the post above has been proven fake. This can all be cleared in an instant, but instead of doing so, Obama has lawered up and fought it at every turn. Why?

Where are his IL senate records, his transcripts and other college records? I wouldn't hire an accountant who couldn't prove he was qualified, why shouldn't the same standard apply here?

40 posted on 11/17/2008 1:23:50 PM PST by IYAS9YAS (Ever notice that Obama supporters chant "O-Bahm-AH" while McCain/Palin supporters chant "U-S-A".)
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To: marshmallow
This doesn't look like any birth certificate that I've ever seen.
41 posted on 11/17/2008 1:24:23 PM PST by Coldwater Creek ("There is no insanity greater than electing a pathological Narcissist as president.")
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To: Cicero

I’m sorry, ....

Is this the list of facts and support for them?

I must’ve missed that.


42 posted on 11/17/2008 1:24:44 PM PST by seanrobins (blog.seanrobins.com)
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To: seanrobins

troll?


43 posted on 11/17/2008 1:24:54 PM PST by patriot08
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To: seanrobins

Many political avenues can be pursued simultaneously.


44 posted on 11/17/2008 1:25:02 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: marshmallow

Here is what a real birth certificate looks like: http://snarkybytes.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/hawaii-birth-certificate-1963.jpg

I am really sick of seeing this Certification of Live birth. Even if this was real, it only states that he was registered in the State of Hawaii which was 4 days after he was born. This does not mean he was born in Hawaii. We all want to see the Certificate (not certification) of Live birth.

And for those that need a timeline for Obama here is a great link: http://colony14.net/id41.html

It is a very long read but if you are not up to speed, this will help!

If Alan Keyes is able to get this information out of the courts he should be president! :)


45 posted on 11/17/2008 1:25:17 PM PST by jcsjcm (Upholding the Constitution til my last breath)
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To: seanrobins
“I didn’t say or imply that,..”

I don't know what else you can call it.
When you say that Americans should quit trying to find out if Obama is Constitutionally eligible to be President. That's MORE than IMPLYING the Constitution doesn't matter!!

46 posted on 11/17/2008 1:25:34 PM PST by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY ( The Constitution needs No interpreting, only APPLICATION!)
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To: patriot08

Many are...they are starting to get nervous.


47 posted on 11/17/2008 1:26:31 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: marshmallow

Two COLBs have been posted. One has been thoroughly debunked as a fake. The other one, however, is extremely convincing (but, if true, is still legally problemmatic). Unfortunately, a lot of people don’t realize there’s two and/or get them confused.


48 posted on 11/17/2008 1:27:06 PM PST by ctdonath2 (I AM JOE THE PLUMBER!)
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To: marshmallow
Yeah, what a crappy forgery. It's why the questions persist. Here's a more believable copy:

49 posted on 11/17/2008 1:27:18 PM PST by aWolverine
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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY; seanrobins

“I believe you’re the DOPE, for thinking the Constitution doesn’t matter!”

My exact feelings, especially about seanrobins.


50 posted on 11/17/2008 1:27:18 PM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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