Skip to comments.Pres. Candidate Alan Keyes, AIP leaders [Markham Robinson] Sue Obtain Obama Citizenship Proof
Posted on 11/17/2008 12:45:33 PM PST by Red Steel
Alan Keyes, vice-presidential candidate Wiley S. Drake, and the Chairman of the American Independent Party, Markham Robinson, have filed suit in California Superior Court in Sacramento seeking to bar Secretary of State Debra Bowen from certifying to Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger the names of Electors, and from transmitting to each presidential Elector a Certificate of Election, until documentary proof is produced and verified showing that Senator Obama is a "natural born" citizen of the United States, and does not hold citizenship of Indonesia, Kenya or Great Britain.
In addition, they have asked that the court issue a peremptory writ barring Senator Obama's California Electors from signing the Certificate of Vote until such documentary proof is produced and verified.
In response to questions about why the suit was being filed, Ambassador Keyes commented, "I and others are concerned that this issue be properly investigated and decided before Senator Obama takes office. Otherwise there will be a serious doubt as to the legitimacy of his tenure. This doubt would also affect the respect people have for the Constitution as the supreme law of the land. I hope the issue can be quickly clarified so that the new President can take office under no shadow of doubt. This will be good for him and for the nation."
I vote for Alan Keyes at every opportunity. This year I got to vote for him in the primary, but alas he was not on the general election ticket here.
Keyes does have a bone to pick with Obama
Keyes is a Constitutional scholar. Hopefully, he'll know what strings to pull to get this done right.
I regularly donate to his political campaigns
The suit brought by Keyes vs. California Secretary of State in PDF format, 19 pages.
With Alan Keyes on the job, there is no way this lawsuit can fail!
(sarcasm, by the way....)
I saw AIP and immediately thought African Press, but my momentary dyslexia went away. Whew.
That Alan Koo-Koo-Keyes would jump into this silly soup at this late date is further evidence of his utter irrelevance.
What a dope...
Keyes I would trust when it comes to the Constitution. Obama, not so much.
Wait... his mother’s name is Stanley? There’s something wrong there...
No, that’s it....
This thing has officially jumped the shark, I’m afraid...
If you think that proves anything, you need to do some reading. That fake COLB has been disputed many times over.
Alert - we have a dim-witted Obamamaniac on the board. That’s you RedSteel. The facts stand against you, no matter how much spin you try.
Let me list a few of the excuses from the conspiracy nuts.
Where is the embossed seal and the registrars signature?
Comparing it to other Hawaii birth certificates, the color shade is different.
Isnt the date stamp bleeding through the back of the document June 2007? (Odd since it was supposedly released in June 2008.)
Theres no crease from being folded and mailed.
Its clearly Photoshopped and a wholesale fraud.
I believe you’re the DOPE, for thinking the Constitution doesn’t matter!
Was he born with the name Barack Hussein Obama II? I don’t think that would be his name on a 1961 Birth Certificate.
Can someone then tell us WHAT the facts are, and WHAT the sources for those facts are?
The only thing the “tin-foil hats” keep screaming are thei conclusions.
How about some of those facts, and the evidence for them. And please, lets not cite more bloggers.
This is all just so embarassing. Don’t we have better bases for opposing Bambi?
Welcome to FR to you too.
I didn’t say or imply that, and you know it. (Can we TRY and leave the dishonest arguments to the Dims?)
My critique is of the argument (not that Obama needs to be a citizen to be president) - but the raging kookiness behind the continuing fight to prove that he’s not.
I disagree with the those wearing the tin-foils hats, NOT with the Constitution. The two are not the same thing.
I have always liked Alan Keyes. He should have stuck to being a commentator rather than getting into politics, because he just doesn’t seem to have any political instincts. Some people might think that’s good—but you need to get elected before you can accomplish anything, and Keyes has an unfortunate way of turning off his friends and allies and offending the voters. He just can’t put a team together and get along with the people he needs to get along with.
But his ideas are certainly good.
These particular threads bring them out of hiding.
You mean, the first name “Stanley”? Why? It is what it is. So what? Her first name was Stanley, and she went by Ann. Stanley was a family name - I forget which relative... unusual, but not unheard of.
If the “red flag” is that this is a fact with which you are unfamiliar, then...oh, well.... I don’t think a court would care too much about that.
Keyes careens along at about 2400 psi, which made him an awful candidate. He won't lose for lack of energy, and he definitely DOES know the constitution.
Where is the embossed seal? And wouldn’t he be a JR not a II?
Well, the big fact staring us in the face is that the birth certificate has gone on for months, there are numerous reasons, if not rising to absolute proofs, to think that Obama may not be an American citizen, and yet he has refused to cough up decent evidence.
Nor has he provided any other basic records: health records, academic records, college thesis, or anything else.
Also, he has a pretty good record of lying about his past.
So, why is it so unreasonable to demand proof that he is qualified to be president? It was demanded of mcCain, and he provided his birth certificate immediately. Obama refuses. A poor and dubious copy posted on the net is NOT proof of anything.
Keyes let himself be used as a tool to elect Obama in the first place. Oh irony every day you crop up.
its a shame, but its wasting time and energy on nonesense like this, rather than trying to regain conservative control over the GOP, that has gotten us where we are today.
The election’s over already....
We need to start “debrieding” the RINO’s and the so0called “centrists” and “moderates” from the party, and refocus on real conservatism, for the first time in eight or twn years. That’s the way to beat Bambi.
Not putting on those shiney metallic hats.
Keyes does have a bone to pick with Obama
Yes, he does. But he is patriot first. He puts our country first ahead of everything else.
In Hawaii, both the seal and registrar's signature are on the back of the document.
That’s not my scan. I’m not part of the “investigative team” scouring the coutryside for documentary evidence concerning this or that COLB, and on and on....
You can do that.....
The document shown in the post above has been proven fake. This can all be cleared in an instant, but instead of doing so, Obama has lawered up and fought it at every turn. Why?
Where are his IL senate records, his transcripts and other college records? I wouldn't hire an accountant who couldn't prove he was qualified, why shouldn't the same standard apply here?
I’m sorry, ....
Is this the list of facts and support for them?
I must’ve missed that.
Many political avenues can be pursued simultaneously.
Here is what a real birth certificate looks like: http://snarkybytes.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/hawaii-birth-certificate-1963.jpg
I am really sick of seeing this Certification of Live birth. Even if this was real, it only states that he was registered in the State of Hawaii which was 4 days after he was born. This does not mean he was born in Hawaii. We all want to see the Certificate (not certification) of Live birth.
And for those that need a timeline for Obama here is a great link: http://colony14.net/id41.html
It is a very long read but if you are not up to speed, this will help!
If Alan Keyes is able to get this information out of the courts he should be president! :)
I don't know what else you can call it.
When you say that Americans should quit trying to find out if Obama is Constitutionally eligible to be President. That's MORE than IMPLYING the Constitution doesn't matter!!
Many are...they are starting to get nervous.
Two COLBs have been posted. One has been thoroughly debunked as a fake. The other one, however, is extremely convincing (but, if true, is still legally problemmatic). Unfortunately, a lot of people don’t realize there’s two and/or get them confused.
“I believe youre the DOPE, for thinking the Constitution doesnt matter!”
My exact feelings, especially about seanrobins.
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