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Kansas Preacher Pushes Obama Muslim Message
MyFoxKWCH TV ^ | Monday, 17 Nov 2008 | staff reporter

Posted on 11/17/2008 2:06:17 PM PST by Daffynition

WICHITA, KAN. -- A Wichita, Kansas preacher says he will not remove a message on his church sign that says President-Elect Barack Obama is a Muslim.

The sign is staying up despite the fact that Obama is a Christian.

The sign at Spirit One Christian Center reads, "America we have a Muslim president. This is sin against the Lord."

Obama supporters reportedly got into a shouting match with parishioners outside the church on Sunday.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: bho2008; crackpot; husseinobama; pastor; sign

1 posted on 11/17/2008 2:06:17 PM PST by Daffynition
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To: Daffynition

The Obamaloon MUST be a Christian. The MSM says so.

And, we all believe them. They’re Journalists.


2 posted on 11/17/2008 2:07:51 PM PST by Da Coyote
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To: Da Coyote

Yup, we believe them, that’s for sure. The louder the MSM screams, the more we believe them.


3 posted on 11/17/2008 2:09:24 PM PST by bboop (obama, little o, not a Real God)
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To: Da Coyote

of course he’s a christian! why, he attended the same hate filled racist church for 20 years!


4 posted on 11/17/2008 2:09:59 PM PST by ari-freedom (So this is how Liberty dies... with thunderous applause)
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To: Daffynition

This pastor is brave!
Drop him a line

http://www.spiritonecc.org/


5 posted on 11/17/2008 2:10:51 PM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: Daffynition

>..despite the fact that Obama is a Christian.<

Whose facts are they?


6 posted on 11/17/2008 2:12:00 PM PST by 353FMG (The sky is not falling, yet.)
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To: ari-freedom
of course he’s a christian! why, he attended the same hate filled racist church for 20 years!

I think he said in his book that finding the Rev. Wright and Black Liberation Theology filled a void in his life.

7 posted on 11/17/2008 2:12:19 PM PST by E=MC2
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To: Da Coyote
Don't worry...

//sarc

8 posted on 11/17/2008 2:13:12 PM PST by Daffynition ("Government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem.")
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To: Daffynition

Church website: http://www.spiritonecc.org/

They appear to be a large charismatic congregation.


9 posted on 11/17/2008 2:13:48 PM PST by Alex Murphy ( "Every country has the government it deserves" - Joseph Marie de Maistre)
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To: Da Coyote

Unless this preacher has proof Obama is a Muslim, he is wrong to go this far.

It’s fine to point to Obama’s muslim upbringing and the Muslim practice of Taqquiya as reason for concern and to consider that in the election. Or to point to un-christian acts like supporting abortion and shooting the bird at his opponents.

But to outright dispute Obama’s claim to be a Christian, without the ability to know Obama’s heart, is just wrong.


10 posted on 11/17/2008 2:15:32 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: Alex Murphy
Good find. Seems he has an agenda with homosexuals too.
11 posted on 11/17/2008 2:16:57 PM PST by Daffynition ("Government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem.")
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To: DannyTN
Whom do you believe?


12 posted on 11/17/2008 2:19:12 PM PST by Daffynition ("Government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem.")
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To: Da Coyote
This congregation ought to hold an information fair. They ought reprint every article accusing George Bush of mass murder & genocide and distribute copies. Post the pics of George Bush dressed as a flesh-eating Nazi.

Then they ought to calmly explain that THEIR right of expression is as Constitutionally protected as the nincompoops who produced that stuff.

Dissent is Patriotic.

13 posted on 11/17/2008 2:21:45 PM PST by justkate
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To: Daffynition
The sign is staying up despite the fact that Obama is a Christian.

Funny ... I'd trust the opinion of a preacher at a Christian Center long before I'd take the opinion of the MSM on that one ...
14 posted on 11/17/2008 2:21:50 PM PST by so_real
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To: DannyTN
But to outright dispute Obama’s claim to be a Christian, without the ability to know Obama’s heart, is just wrong.

By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? (Mt. 7:16)

15 posted on 11/17/2008 2:22:24 PM PST by attyatlaw001
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To: DannyTN
"....without the ability to know Obama’s heart, is just wrong."

We KNOW obama's heart, and it ain't good - all you have to do to know someone's heart is look at their actions.

16 posted on 11/17/2008 2:23:48 PM PST by jackibutterfly
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To: DannyTN
“without the ability to know Obama’s heart, is just wrong”

YOU SHALL KNOW THEM BY THEIR WORKS........

perhaps its time you reread that part in the bible - he supports abortion up to and including birth at 9 mos???, he supports the abolition of traditional marriage and its dilution with homosexuals, went to a church for 20+ years that preached racial hate, gave very very little of his own income to charity.....wake up!

Its time to make a stand - Obama and most of the dems as well as some rinos are also not Christians. Just because you say you are doesnt make so - look at their actions.

17 posted on 11/17/2008 2:24:27 PM PST by sasafras (TIME FOR A RESURGENCE - FREEDOM IS NOT FREE - NO MORE COMPLAINING - LET'S GET BUSY!)
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To: Daffynition

Obama IS a Christian.....they just left the first part off:

ANTI-christian.


18 posted on 11/17/2008 2:26:44 PM PST by RasterMaster (DUmocrats - the party of slavery, sedition, subversion, socialism & surrender)
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To: Daffynition
despite the fact that Obama is a Christian

Wow! Only Satan and Christ know who the Christians are and the author isn't Christ.

19 posted on 11/17/2008 2:30:28 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: Daffynition
The sign is staying up despite the fact that Obama is a Christian.

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ... stop it, you're killin' me

20 posted on 11/17/2008 2:30:33 PM PST by tx_eggman ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule" - Mencken)
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To: 353FMG

Yeah....a christian for abortion?


21 posted on 11/17/2008 2:30:53 PM PST by Loud Mime (CHANGE: Palin 2012)
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To: Girlene

Maybe this preacher is sick of Dr. Tiller. Tiller’s abortion clinic has the blessing of THE ONE.


22 posted on 11/17/2008 2:33:57 PM PST by lilycicero (I might go give Pastor Mark a lil visit........or not...just sayin)
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To: DannyTN

I know what you are saying but this is the one thing that makes me doubt his Christianity is Michelle Obama:

He thinks he can really do anything — he does. With his own power and will, he can fix it,” she said, praising Obama for creating “one of the most powerful political organizations” in history, and for the other virtues of his campaign.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1108/Michelle_on_Obamas_confidence.html


23 posted on 11/17/2008 2:35:38 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: DannyTN
But to outright dispute Obama’s claim to be a Christian, without the ability to know Obama’s heart, is just wrong.

Danny, Let he help you out here ...

Linky Thing: Obama - Live Birth Abortion

what more do you need to know about his heart before you can make the call ..

24 posted on 11/17/2008 2:36:03 PM PST by tx_eggman ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule" - Mencken)
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To: Daffynition
ROTFLMAO! That's fabulous!

B-Rock "The Islamic Shock!" Bwahahahahahahah!

25 posted on 11/17/2008 2:40:00 PM PST by sirchtruth (Vote Conservative Repuplican!!)
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To: Daffynition

How does having a Muslim president constitute a sin against the Lord? Which commandment does this violate? Was it a sin against the Lord that the Romans ruled over Jerusalem in the time of Jesus?
I’m guessing this guy is not likley to big on Mormons either. What would he have done if Mitt Romney had won the nomination or perhaps some of of Jewish heritage?


26 posted on 11/17/2008 2:41:00 PM PST by NC28203
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To: DannyTN
Unless this preacher has proof Obama is a Muslim, he is wrong to go this far.

He has the same proof that we all have. Don't you think that's enough? Do you really still belive he's a Christian? He even let it slip in his ABC interview that his faith is Muslim.

27 posted on 11/17/2008 2:44:53 PM PST by Kleon
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To: Raycpa
If you look at the link #9 post above, it seems that this pastor is very politically active.


28 posted on 11/17/2008 2:52:59 PM PST by Daffynition ("Government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem.")
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To: Kleon

And that annoying way he says Pok-E-ston. XD


29 posted on 11/17/2008 2:53:14 PM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: NC28203
How does having a Muslim president constitute a sin against the Lord? Which commandment does this violate?

The reference in the sign is to Exodus 20:3 which says thou shalt not have any Gods before me. I assume he is saying that having a president who puts Allah ahead of God is a sin attributable to all of us as a nation and accountable as such.

The first problem with that line of reasoning is that even presidents who were Christians are often guilty of putting other gods before God. Whether its money, party, power, etc. There are many gods.

The second problem is that even if the statement is factually and theologically correct it ignores the message of grace and forgiveness of sin by the blood of Jesus. A church must make the good news evident to all. We all know we are sinners and our presidents are sinners. We don't need a neon sign to tell us this. We do however need Christians shouting to the world that we no longer are slaves to sin.

30 posted on 11/17/2008 2:56:26 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: netmilsmom

Did the one ever give an explantion of WHY he visited pok-e-ston?


31 posted on 11/17/2008 3:03:00 PM PST by newfreep ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." - P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: Daffynition

“The sign is staying up despite the fact that Obama is a Christian.”

Should read; The sign is staying up despite the fact that Obama SAYS he is a Christian.


32 posted on 11/17/2008 3:04:14 PM PST by Grunthor (bush04 - 62, 040, 610 mccain08 - 58, 164, 693.......Moving left is NOT the answer!)
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To: attyatlaw001
"By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? (Mt. 7:16)"

You can find blackberries amount thorns.

It's fine if the preacher wants to call Obama down on his actions and say he's not acting like a Christian or even that he is acting like a Muslim.

But last time I checked, Christians, myself included, are not a perfect people who never sin, who are absolutely correct in every doctrinal belief and who always love perfectly.

And as an example, I offer the blasting of the church for still needing milk instead of meat and Jesus finding fault with the 7 churches in Revelations.

It's possible for Obama to be a Christian and have a wrong belief about government's role with regard to abortion.

33 posted on 11/17/2008 3:06:49 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: Daffynition
"Unless this preacher has proof Obama is a Muslim, he is wrong to go this far."

Muslims believe Obama is a Muslim, and they are right.

Christians believe Obama is a Christian, and they are right.

Muslims believe a son inherits his father's religion. Obama cannot renounce his Muslim religion (indeed, I'm not sure he has directly), without becoming an apostate who is required to be killed by any available Muslim. So, Muslims seem to be right: Obama is a Muslim. By birth.

Christians believe a person is Christian if (approximating here) he believes Jesus Christ is the savior. Obama says that he does. So, Christians seem to be right: Obama is a Christian. By belief.

I tend to fall down on the side of the latter explanation., But it is far from clear-cut. Obama's religion, whether Muslim or Christian, depends on the perspective of the person making the judgment.

34 posted on 11/17/2008 3:12:11 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (SARAH *** JOE *** 2012!)
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To: Daffynition

LOL!

Funniest thing I’ve seen in days!


35 posted on 11/17/2008 3:12:56 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (SARAH *** JOE *** 2012!)
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To: newfreep

No. And we cannot ask.


36 posted on 11/17/2008 3:23:21 PM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: Raycpa

The thing that made me doubt his christianity was when people were calling him the Messiah, he didn’t correct them.

Any real Christian would say, I am not the Messiah, do not worship me but the one true God.


37 posted on 11/17/2008 3:26:04 PM PST by rlferny
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To: Daffynition

If I remember correctly the MSM and Hollywood Libs hate Christians. Yet, they’ll stand up all day and claim their boy is one. That means they think being a Christian is better than being a muslim. And that makes liberals racists.


38 posted on 11/17/2008 3:26:41 PM PST by Terry Mross ( It's just a matter of time before we're all 'GUILTY' of hate speech.)
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To: sasafras

Exactly, the left is trying to contaminate or leaven what it means to be a Christian, just as they’ve done with what it means to be a patriot and other labels, mostly claimed by the right. That’s why when they saw what a power the Christian had been, when they couldn’t beat it, they “joined” (infiltrated) it, and began making their version Christianity into another social justice and environmetalism group. Christians are to be good stewards and help the poor, of course, but that has never been the heart of being a follower of Christ. He Himself said that the poor would always be with us, and the message of salvation in the Gospel is the message He told us to spread into all the world.Jesus preached on heaven, hell, and the eternity, and that was His concern, not the cause of man attempting to bring the Millenium to earth.


39 posted on 11/17/2008 3:28:28 PM PST by mrsmel (That one is not my president.)
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To: DannyTN

As a Christian could you ever utter these words?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQqIpdBOg6I


40 posted on 11/17/2008 3:36:25 PM PST by CajunConservative (1.20.13 - The End of an Error)
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To: Daffynition

In that pre-election interview with George Stephanopolos, he said, “my muslim faith”, and continued talking until corrected by George S. No Christian I know would ever say “my muslim faith” accidently. It just doesn’t roll off your lips. Plus the fact that he supports killing aborted babies outside the womb tells me he’s no Christian.


41 posted on 11/17/2008 3:57:30 PM PST by reaganbooster
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To: Da Coyote

He’s not a muslim, he’s an atheist.


44 posted on 11/17/2008 4:30:15 PM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: Daffynition
The sign is staying up despite the fact that Obama is a Christian.

Oh yea? Has anyone seen his baptismal certificate?

Probably not because "The Dog Ate it", or something.

45 posted on 11/17/2008 5:15:11 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Daffynition
The sign is staying up despite the fact that Obama is a Christian.

Oh yea? Has anyone seen his baptismal certificate?

Probably not because "The Dog Ate it", or something.

46 posted on 11/17/2008 5:15:18 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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