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Firearm sales shoot up as gun owners worry about Barack Obama administration (Poll to FReep also)
The New York Daily News ^ | November 17, 2008 | ALISON GENDAR and CORKY SIEMASZKO

Posted on 11/17/2008 11:49:52 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

From sea to shining sea, the election of Barack Obama has sparked a run on guns by firearm fans who fear stiffer rules are on the way.

During election week, the FBI did 374,510 background checks on prospective gun owners, compared with 251,804 in the same week last year. Last month, the G-men did checks on 285,894 people buying handguns, compared with 223,141 in Oct. 2007. "It is a significant jump," Special Agent Jason Pack said.

Obama has vowed to protect gun ownership rights, but as an Illinois state lawmaker, he supported a ban on all forms of semiautomatic weapons and tighter restrictions on firearms.

Bucking the national trend, local New York gun shops report no major rise in business, and cops have seen no big increase in gun permit applications.

"New Yorkers that have guns often get them from other states, Pennsylvania and Florida in particular," theorized Evan Thies, a gun control advocate and City Council candidate. "New York City has the toughest gun control laws in the nation."

Still, even city gun dealers worry that an Obama presidency will usher in even tougher laws.

"We don't deal in handguns, and personally, I don't know why anybody would want a machine gun," said Guy Davies, executive director of Holland & Holland Sporting Weapons on E. 57th St., where the cheapest gun is a handmade, $60,000 hunting rifle.

"From our point of view, these laws are a step in the wrong direction," said Davies.

Elsewhere in the country, there is evidence the heat-packing public is stocking up.

Gun peddlers in Georgia have staged "Obama Sales." Up in Sarah Palin country, the demand is so big that Alaska gun dealers are running out of ammunition. Even in Obama's home state of Illinois, business has been brisk at rural gun shops.

In Pennsylvania, they aren't just clinging to their guns, as Obama said during the campaign, they're stockpiling them.

"We've easily doubled our normal sales of guns," said Jere Dunkelberger, who owns Dunkelberger's Sports Outfitter in Stroudsburg, Pa. "The biggest sellers are security-style shotguns and handguns. Mostly a combination of self-protection and home protection firearms."

"The increase in firearms sales was predictable," said Lawrence Keane of the National Shooting Sports Foundation. "It's clear from President-elect Obama's voting record, and the promises he continues to make, that gun control will be coming back to the White House."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Alaska; US: Florida; US: Illinois; US: New York; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; buyammonow; buygunsnow; drivebymedia; election; elections; ericholder; gungrabbers; guns; gunsales; obama; presidentelectobama; rkba; rtkba; secondamendment
So-called "journalists" don't want to understand gun rights, freedom of religion or any other conservative issues, they'd rather take the easy way out and be snarky. Hope that unemployment check covers the expensive apartment rent, Alison and Corky!
1 posted on 11/17/2008 11:49:52 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I use the Daily Snooze for packing stuff in boxes.


2 posted on 11/17/2008 11:56:22 PM PST by wastedyears (Every FReeper is on Obama's Black List. He will try to have us all "taken care of." Mark my words)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Were buying two possibly three—revolver, handgun, and possibly a long gun. We are taking lessons and looking forward to range time. If we don’t need ‘em it will be good sport practicing. If I ever need to use it I will know how. :-). I learned how to fire a pistol and a 22 when I was six. My daddy had us out there in the woods practicing. Six was way too many years ago. LOL.


3 posted on 11/17/2008 11:57:11 PM PST by GOP Poet
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And also, people in NYC get firearms in PA and FL? Illegally I’m sure


4 posted on 11/17/2008 11:57:50 PM PST by wastedyears (Every FReeper is on Obama's Black List. He will try to have us all "taken care of." Mark my words)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

gun control has already come back, thanks to 5 RINOs!


5 posted on 11/17/2008 11:59:22 PM PST by CanadianMusherinMI (drill baby drill/mine baby mine!)
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Journalists not understanding gun rights might be charitable as I often think that they really might understand them but are subservient to the anti gun dialectic as sell outs just to maintain their high profile & “good standing” reputation -ie: controlled - with their bosses as reporters.


6 posted on 11/18/2008 12:03:37 AM PST by Republic_of_Secession.
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Was in a big gun shop today looking for some accessories. I already have all the guns I and five generations of my descendants can use.

They were cleaned out of EVERY semi-automatic rifle except an M1 carbine and a couple of overpriced Steyr AUG knockoffs. No doubt those will be gone tomorrow.

-ccm

7 posted on 11/18/2008 12:05:31 AM PST by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet


8 posted on 11/18/2008 12:30:31 AM PST by XR7
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To: XR7

sorry... what’s this?


9 posted on 11/18/2008 12:39:07 AM PST by bossmechanic (If all else fails, hit it with a hammer)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
As I just mentioned here?

-source--

texasredtop wrote:

Roy Wilson wrote:
Looking for a couple of pieces myself. Smile


My husband went to a gun show last Saturday and he said it was jam packed. He's also got backorders on his reloading supplies that may take up to 4 weeks to get here when they usually get here in 3 days.


You reckon this has anything to do with it?


America Held Hostage- the Obama Files...
Monday, November 17, 2008 3:13:08 PM
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backhoe

to All
Assault Weapons Ban Introduced…by Five R.I.N.O.sThese five supposed Republican are nothing more than jackasses in elephant's clothing. Rep. Mark Kirk has introduced a bill, H.R. 6257: Assault Weapons Ban Reauthorization Act of 2008, which would "To reinstate the Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act." The bill has been co-sponsored by the other four jackasses listed above. All of them claim to be Republicans.



Normally, reloading components are the most readily available of firearms "stuff," but... since Duh!1 is obviously an enemy of the 2A ( not to mention the whole Bill of Rights, see my post for details ) and since firearms are useless without ammo, expect sales for reloading gear and ammo to go thru the roof...

10 posted on 11/18/2008 1:03:35 AM PST by backhoe (All across America, the Lights are going out...)
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To: backhoe

Maybe one guy per neighborhood or group of gun owners should buy reloading gear and sell to his friends, neighbors and relatives.


11 posted on 11/18/2008 1:10:45 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Barack Obama: In Error and arrogant -- he's errogant!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Excuse me but...
There seems to me to be a practical limit on how much and what type of ammo one can stock.
If you hunt, about a dozen cartridges per season harvests enough meat for a family of 4 for a year.
If you invision fighting off hordes of angry commies, you may be able to get off a couple hundred rounds protecting family and friends.
So what’s the point in reloading et cetera?
Just buy what suits you now and be done with it.
Where am I wrong on this?


12 posted on 11/18/2008 1:39:09 AM PST by bossmechanic (If all else fails, hit it with a hammer)
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To: backhoe

Dillion 550B BTTT !


13 posted on 11/18/2008 1:41:06 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: bossmechanic
Simple answer: our "government" wants to make ammunition all but unavailable as a method to control and then ban firearms.

Those of us who are stockpiling ammunition and reloading equipment are doing what we have to to ensure that we can keep functional firearms well into the future.

You must not remember the glorious Carter and Clinton years - the Obama era will be much worse.

14 posted on 11/18/2008 2:16:37 AM PST by Chinstrap61a
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To: bossmechanic

Competetion, practice, and fun. I go through 20-25 thousand rounds a year for these purposes.


15 posted on 11/18/2008 2:24:44 AM PST by RetiredNavy ("Only accurate firearms are interesting")
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To: Squantos


Just an old Keyboard Cowboy...gating back out, into Cyberspace and the Dreamtime

16 posted on 11/18/2008 2:55:29 AM PST by backhoe (All across America, the Lights are going out...)
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To: bossmechanic
RKBA= Right to Keep and Bear Arms
17 posted on 11/18/2008 3:27:58 AM PST by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My plan exactly...:) Actually not to sell, but to help out my co-workers..they bring the the brass and their powder choice (they buy materials) and I’ll reload it for them.—for a small fee..:)

next I need to find 2 inexpensive used shot shell loaders, one in 20 and one in 12

JM2B


18 posted on 11/18/2008 3:40:51 AM PST by BudgieRamone (God loves machinists--someone has to..:))
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To: bossmechanic
I can fine tune my reloads so that they are far more accurate then factory ammunition.

Oh, did I mention it's cheaper?

19 posted on 11/18/2008 3:44:01 AM PST by Carbonsteel
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To: wastedyears

“Illegally”?
Here in Florida it is legal to go to a gun show. Take a firearm unloaded. Walk around the gun show showing off the firearm. And if some other person sees the firearm and a deal is agreed upon it is legal to make the sale. No licence or waiting period. Just hand over the money. Get a receipt if you care to an go on your way.
Same thing is you say place an add in the papers want adds and just sell a weapon as long as you are not a gun merchant.


20 posted on 11/18/2008 4:01:56 AM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: bossmechanic
Why collect stamps, or dvds, or jewelry? Some people just like to do it. Same with guns. Same with ammo, for that matter. Just because you don't understand it doesn't make it a crime.

If I want to watch a new movie, should I have to go to the store to get it? What if I want to watch it late at night?

If I want to go shooting, why should I have to go buy ammo then? Why shouldn't I be able to have whatever I consider a reasonable store at home? Even if my version of “reasonable” is a million rounds?

You do understand that we have a Second Amendment right to bear arms for self-defense, not for hunting, or target shooting, right? If not, you better go read the Constitution again, and read Justice Story's book about it. Try reading Thomas Jefferson, as well.

For that matter, read all the founding fathers. Several of them thought we did not need an enumerated Bill of Rights, as no one could possibly mistake their reasoning. Others, Jefferson among them, thought those guys were wrong, and said so. LOUDLY! Guess who was right? Even at that, we have been being infringed since I was old enough to notice, and then some.

21 posted on 11/18/2008 4:20:40 AM PST by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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To: Chinstrap61a

“Simple answer: our “government” wants to make ammunition all but unavailable as a method to control and then ban firearms.”

Government armories can fill that shortage. Also a good place to shop for heavy ordnance.


22 posted on 11/18/2008 4:55:18 AM PST by sergeantdave (We are now in the Age of the Idiot)
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To: Joe Boucher

I know the laws in Florida are much better than NYC. I just wondered why the guy in the article said people are getting their firearms in PA and FL.


23 posted on 11/18/2008 12:49:07 PM PST by wastedyears (Every FReeper is on Obama's Black List. He will try to have us all "taken care of." Mark my words)
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To: bossmechanic
Where am I wrong on this?

You forgot about the target shooters, who through more ammo in a day than a typical "hunter" would go through in several years (I've personally gone through about 600 rounds of rifle ammo in the last week, and it isn't unusual to shoot 1000 rounds of handgun ammo in a single day with friends).

Reloaders can also build up custom loads (careful selection of bullets, powder, powder charge, etc) to maximize the performance of their specific firearm, achieving levels of accuracy for their shooting conditions that can't be achieved from "off-the-shelf" factory loads.

24 posted on 11/18/2008 1:07:10 PM PST by Technogeeb (The only good Russian is a dead Russian. Rest in Peace, Solzhenitsyn.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They are only talking about October, not even into the election which kicked off an even larger spending spree.


25 posted on 11/18/2008 1:10:11 PM PST by CodeToad
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To: bossmechanic; Carbonsteel
"So what’s the point in reloading et cetera?

Just buy what suits you now and be done with it.

Where am I wrong on this?"

Carbonsteel said: I can fine tune my reloads so that they are far more accurate then factory ammunition.

Oh, did I mention it's cheaper?

Same for me.

Look, the problem is the government telling me and millions of others what we can and cannot buy with the few hard-earned dollars that they let us keep. When you are talking about outlawing something that has never been outlawed, or vastly increasing its cost via punitive taxes - so that it is effectively outlawed, then you're entering the area of tyranny.

I shoot anywhere from 1,000-5,000 rounds of various calibers of ammo per year, depending on how much time and money I've got. This is for fun and for practice (so that I can responsibly carry a loaded handgun for self-defense). There's simply no way for me to go and buy 40,000-200,000 rounds of ammo now, let alone enough to have for teaching my kids, letting them have some fun, actually defending myself or my family, taking new shooters or guests shooting, etc., etc. if ammo is either banned or effectively banned.

Make no mistake - Mr. Obama aims to eliminate the gun culture in this country. It can't be done overnight, but if you effectively eliminate ammunition from the store shelves then all that we mere citizens have left is some very expensive clubs.

26 posted on 11/18/2008 1:47:54 PM PST by Ancesthntr (An ex-citizen of the Frederation dedicated to stopping the Obamination from becoming President)
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To: sergeantdave
Government armories can fill that shortage. Also a good place to shop for heavy ordnance.

Some have said that government employees may even someday do citizens the favor of personally delivering their guns and ammo to them.

27 posted on 11/18/2008 1:51:16 PM PST by Ancesthntr (An ex-citizen of the Frederation dedicated to stopping the Obamination from becoming President)
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To: GOP Poet

If we don’t need ‘em it will be good sport practicing.


Indeed!

"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun, therefore, be the constant companion of your walks."

-- Thomas Jefferson to Peter Carr, 1785. ME 5:85, Papers 8:407


28 posted on 11/18/2008 2:35:19 PM PST by EdReform (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed *NRA*JPFO*SAF*GOA*SAS*CCRKBA)
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To: backhoe

These RINOS just don’t get it. Or do they?
The Second Amendment isn’t about our right to possess “recreational firearms.”


29 posted on 11/18/2008 2:41:47 PM PST by XR7
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"New Yorkers that have guns often get them from other states, Pennsylvania and Florida in particular," theorized Evan Thies, a gun control advocate and City Council candidate.

Someone should clue City Council candidate Thies that, unless they're doing a transfer through a NY dealer, the proper title for New Yorkers who get their guns from other states is 'criminals.'
30 posted on 11/18/2008 2:46:32 PM PST by javachip
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To: Joe Boucher

It’s a violation of Federal law for an individual in any state to knowingly sell a gun directly to someone from out of state.


31 posted on 11/18/2008 2:50:40 PM PST by javachip
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To: XR7

“These RINOS just don’t get it. Or do they?
The Second Amendment isn’t about our right to possess “recreational firearms.””


I think that they are malicious, as opposed to merely being stupid— as I mentioned on our Canadian sister site:

http://www.freedominion.com.pa/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=1261945&highlight=#1261945

I really think Zero! is going to be a plague on this poor, deluded country- the 1st and 2nd Amendments are blatantly meaningless to him, and the crew he’s assembling. Indeed they ( and the rest of the BOR and Constitution ) are viewed as impediments.

God help us, ‘cause Man has failed...


32 posted on 11/18/2008 2:56:58 PM PST by backhoe (All across America, the Lights are going out...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Travis McGee
Both of the gunshops I frequent say sales are WAAAAAAAAAAAAY up. Online bulk ammo suppliers like Sportsman's Guide and Midway USA are experiencing supply problems. I've had to shop around to buy bulk .44Mag and .40S&W ammo.

Hey Travis. I shot my new Tracker .44 Mag yesterday for the first time. The gas relief port system really reduces the recoil. It wasn't any rougher than shooting my .357. Great for head shots.


33 posted on 11/18/2008 3:08:58 PM PST by CholeraJoe (Bite me, Rhapsody! John Phillip Sousa is NOT Country music.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE DAG

WEDNESDAY, JUNE 16, 1999 (202) 616-2777

WWW.USDOJ.GOV TDD (202) 514-1888

STATEMENT BY DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL ERIC H. HOLDER, JR.

WASHINGTON, DC -- Deputy Attorney General Eric H. Holder, Jr. today held a press conference to urge Members of Congress to adopt reasonable gun legislation. He issued the following statement.

"Good Afternoon. We are here today because the House of Representatives has begun debate on legislation that can make a critical difference to law enforcement, and to the safety of all Americans.

"Today Individual Members of Congress have a clear-cut choice to make. Either they can cave in to the narrow, special interests that value the cold, hard steel of guns more than the lives of children, neighbors and police officers, or they can fulfill the mandate of the broad majority of the American public by supporting a reasonable, common sense bill that would make all of us safer from armed criminals. The choice for each House Member is just that stark.

"As most of you know, I have served as a judge, as the chief prosecutor for the District of Columbia, and for the past two years as the Deputy Attorney General of the United States. I know the harm that guns can do - to individuals, to families, and to communities. My concern about easy access to guns in our society is built on my professional experience and the tragedies I have encountered in my work day life. But even more important, I am a father, and I want to be sure that we here in Washington do everything we can -- everything in our power -- to make our communities, our schools and our nation a safer place for our kids.....

http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/1999/June/257dag.htm

Barack Obama's 10 Point Plan to "Change" The Second Amendment

Monday, July 28, 2008

In fact, among key advisors chosen by Obama to vet possible running mates is Eric HOLDER, who was Attorney General Janet Reno’s top deputy. Holder, as the Justice Department point man on all gun-control schemes, was among the top officials announcing the Clinton-Gore extortion agreement in 2000.

The “change” Obama and his close allies—like George Soros’ Moveon.org—seek is a complete regime change driven by a radical political agenda.

Among the many requirements of that agreement, a crucial one gave key elements of the gun-ban movement total oversight of the firearm industry and an ability to destroy it by running it out of business. None of this would ever have passed Congress as law, yet this stranglehold was achieved through the bureaucratic back door by Bill Clinton’s executive branch.

Backdoor bureaucratic gun-control schemes in the waning days of the Clinton administration also included diversion of millions of taxpayer dollars to HUD “gun buybacks” and gun destruction schemes; and development of so-called “smart gun” technologies and “ballistic fingerprinting.”

The ultimate aim of “smart gun” technology—to prevent a firearm being used by anyone but its registered owner—was spelled out in model legislation first floated in Pennsylvania, which said all handguns that did not possess “smart technology” would become contraband to be collected by police agencies.

All of this was created and pushed through the efforts of bureaucratic lawyers like Obama advisor HOLDER. Now the ultimate Washington insider lawyer, Holder is being touted as an Obama Supreme Court appointee. Recent headlines can put HOLDER’s reappearance on the political scene into sharp context. The Journal of the American Bar Association even asks: “Will Eric HOLDER Become the Next Attorney General?”

http://www.nrapvf.org/News/Article.aspx?ID=308

Eric Holder was Deputy Attorney General under Janet Reno

34 posted on 11/18/2008 4:09:06 PM PST by KeyLargo
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To: Ancesthntr
Some have said that government employees may even someday do citizens the favor of personally delivering their guns and ammo to them.

Maybe so, maybe no, but the DOD sure has worked side by side with the Civilian Marksmanship Program to put surplus battle rifles in the hands of qualified (one might even say "regulated") civilians, who then organize and help other civilians qualify to purchase said firearms. This, despite knowing that there are political elements in this country who want that cooperation to stop.

35 posted on 11/18/2008 10:26:31 PM PST by Charles Martel (Liberals are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: EdReform

Excellent quote! Wow. I am going to keep that one with me :-). Thank you!


36 posted on 11/18/2008 10:57:29 PM PST by GOP Poet
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To: javachip

Great.
So just don’t tell.
And quite obviously it must be easy to obtain false credentials as there are a few illegals who are able to get them.


37 posted on 11/19/2008 6:26:07 AM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: KeyLargo

A DC judge.
Ugh.


38 posted on 11/19/2008 12:22:16 PM PST by XR7
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To: Charles Martel
Unfortunately, the CMP is largely out of anything worth putting in citizens' hands. The M1s are pretty much sold out (save for the occasional bulk purchase from another country), the surplus bolt-actions are gone, and whatever remains is pretty much either decrepit, collectible, or oddity. The effort by DOD/DCM/CMP is appreciated, but of waning value. Of special note, they will never sell M16s/M4s, and most likely never any AR15s, much less any other modern armament. Those who want it to end are succeeding thru attrition - a model which will surely be applied to the populace at large.
39 posted on 11/19/2008 12:36:12 PM PST by ctdonath2 (I AM JOE THE PLUMBER!)
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To: Joe Boucher

Also might be a good idea to place an ad in the paper to sell any recently bought (and therefore recorded) firearm.

You could put in a one-off phone number or something, or just tell the hundreds of folks that call that it’s already sold.

Keep the ad as “proof” that you sold the firearm.


40 posted on 11/19/2008 12:39:52 PM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: Ancesthntr

Well, it IS a guarantee that if you thwart the will of any government official,

eventually agents of the gov’t will show up on your doorstep carrying firearms.


41 posted on 11/19/2008 12:41:38 PM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: Republic_of_Secession.

No...they’re really that ignorant.


42 posted on 11/19/2008 12:43:00 PM PST by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: bossmechanic
There seems to me to be a practical limit on how much and what type of ammo one can stock.
If you hunt, about a dozen cartridges per season harvests enough meat for a family of 4 for a year.
If you invision fighting off hordes of angry commies, you may be able to get off a couple hundred rounds protecting family and friends.
So what’s the point in reloading et cetera?
Just buy what suits you now and be done with it.
Where am I wrong on this?

It's called practice & training.

43 posted on 11/19/2008 12:57:50 PM PST by Centurion2000 (To protect and defend ... against all enemies, foreign and domestic .... by any means necessary.)
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To: ctdonath2
I suspected as much. The recent batch of carbines was a pleasant surprise, but the supply out there is simply drying up. It's not just our lousy politicians, it's the fact that we've already bought up most of what is available in the Western world. Now you mostly see Mosin-Nagant variants caked with Cosmoline; the old Com-Bloc armories still hold some treasure.

The silver lining is, of course, that most of those rifles came *here*, either intact or as parts to keep others operational.

44 posted on 11/19/2008 2:15:50 PM PST by Charles Martel (Liberals are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: Charles Martel

I’d love to see the CMP cut loose with all the semi-automatic M-14s that are collecting dust in some government warehouse.

When first I got my C&R FFL in the mid-1990’s, there was quite a variety of foreign arms to collect...Swedish Mausers, Argentine Mausers, Finn-captured Mosin-Nagants, British Enfields, etc. It was hard to choose what to concentrate on.

For the last two years though, I see the same old offerings in the Distributor flyers. There doesn’t seem to be much in the line of new imports.


45 posted on 11/20/2008 5:59:06 AM PST by Rockhound
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