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Michigan Police Chiefs Admit Speeding Tickets Are About Money
RideLust ^ | 11/17/08

Posted on 11/18/2008 6:54:24 PM PST by LibWhacker

In 2002, police in the city of Detroit gave out a total of 126,007 traffic tickets. Last year, the number of tickets grew to over 245,000 - a 94% jump. The increase was even larger in small towns like Plymouth which saw the number of tickets go up from 440 to 2,500 — up 480 percent — over the same amount of time. According to Detroit area police the reason for the increase is dwindling property tax revenue. That lack of property tax revenue has forced local governments in Michigan to use average citizen drivers to fill the coffers. You might call it a new, “random driving tax.”

“When I first started in this job thirty years ago, police work was never about revenue enhancement,” Utica Police Chief Michael Reaves told the Detroit News. “But if you’re a chief now, you have to look at whether your department produces revenues. That’s just the reality nowadays.”

The National Motorists Association pointed to Detroit suburbs as home to some of the worst speed traps in the entire country. Upwards of 18 jurisdictions in the area reported an increase in ticketing of more than fifty percent.

“When elected officials say, ‘We need more money,’ they can’t look to the department of public works to raise revenues, so where do they find it? Police departments,” Police Officers Association of Michigan President James Tagnanelli told the News.

“I’ve spent eight years in traffic services, and I was a crash reconstructionist for five years before that,” Michigan State Police Lieutenant Gary Megge told the News. “So I’ve seen my share of fatal wrecks, and I can tell you: Deaths are not caused by speeding. They’re caused by drinking, drugs and inattentiveness. The old adage that speed kills just isn’t realistic. The safest speed is the speed that is correct for that roadway at a given time. A lot of speed limits are set artificially low.”

The Michigan State Police promotes setting limits according to the 85th percentile rule. This widely used principle is used to determine a practical speed limit by measuring how fast the vast majority of traffic, 85 percent, travel in safety.

“It just doesn’t seem right to me that we would enforce a law where 90-98 percent of the people are in violation of it,” Lieutenant Megge told the News. “It’s not the way we should do business in this country.”


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: admit; detroit; leo; police; speeding; taxincrease; tickets

1 posted on 11/18/2008 6:54:25 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker
Calling Captain Obvious. Traffic tickets around the country are rarely about safety. They are handed out to raise revenue.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

2 posted on 11/18/2008 6:55:56 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: LibWhacker

Is that Duh or Doh?


3 posted on 11/18/2008 6:56:13 PM PST by Steamburg ( Your wallet speaks the only language most politicians understand.)
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To: LibWhacker
The more I read/hear about Detroit - the more I NEVER want to go there...
4 posted on 11/18/2008 6:56:43 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: LibWhacker

CAPTAIN OBVIOUS.....we need you!


5 posted on 11/18/2008 6:57:49 PM PST by TheConservativeParty ("Those guys are jerks!" Saracuda)
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To: Steamburg

>Is that Duh or Doh?

Yes.
(To both... “Random Driving Tax”)


6 posted on 11/18/2008 7:01:23 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: bamahead

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8 posted on 11/18/2008 7:04:39 PM PST by KoRn
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To: LibWhacker
“I’ve spent eight years in traffic services, and I was a crash reconstructionist for five years before that,” Michigan State Police Lieutenant Gary Megge told the News. “So I’ve seen my share of fatal wrecks, and I can tell you: Deaths are not caused by speeding. They’re caused by drinking, drugs and inattentiveness. The old adage that speed kills just isn’t realistic. The safest speed is the speed that is correct for that roadway at a given time. A lot of speed limits are set artificially low.”

This is the most honest cop I have ever heard.

9 posted on 11/18/2008 7:06:27 PM PST by conservative cat ("So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause.")
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To: Morgana

lol


10 posted on 11/18/2008 7:09:50 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: Morgana

too funny!

the local town police don’t want to stop people running a 4 way stop near the local middle school. they tell me it’s “better” for them to sit on the bigger roads outside of town. which are to catch speeders. Until the first kid is killed by someone running the 4-way stop that is.


11 posted on 11/18/2008 7:12:03 PM PST by cetarist
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To: elkfersupper
As if you needed any confirmation.

Best,

L

12 posted on 11/18/2008 7:12:50 PM PST by Lurker ("America is at that awkward stage. " Claire Wolfe, call your office.)
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To: Lurker
Thanks for the ping.

Selective toll assessments should be met with severe resistance.

13 posted on 11/18/2008 7:15:36 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: LibWhacker

Also why they don’t go after criminals other than drug dealers. They don’t have money.


14 posted on 11/18/2008 7:19:28 PM PST by Zathras
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To: elkfersupper
I've had this little tidbit confirmed by the man I helped to elect Mayor of my town.

"We need the money." he said.

"For what?" I asked.

"Well, we need it for lots of things." he replied.

"You mean you have to make criminals out of us to pay for the Fire Department, Street Department, Water Department, and Police Department?" I asked.

"Oh no. We need it for all the other programs we run."

I told him that not only could he be sure I wouldn't knock on any doors for him next election, I'd actively oppose his re-election. Now this is a guy I've worked with for nearly 10 years in various volunteer capacities in my little Village.

I have to tell you I'm pretty ashamed of myself. I thought I knew this guy pretty well.

Never again, never again.

L

15 posted on 11/18/2008 7:26:33 PM PST by Lurker ("America is at that awkward stage. " Claire Wolfe, call your office.)
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To: LibWhacker

That’s all they’re for: money.


16 posted on 11/18/2008 7:33:20 PM PST by wastedyears (Every FReeper is on Obama's Black List. He will try to have us all "taken care of." Mark my words)
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To: Lurker
I have had a similar experience.

It's pretty rough being treated like a whore without being either paid or enjoying the benefits of intercourse.

17 posted on 11/18/2008 7:37:22 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: LibWhacker
do I really have to say it???

18 posted on 11/18/2008 7:59:24 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist -)
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To: LibWhacker
With this becoming more "official knowledge" I think it is time to have a discussion on revising driver license point systems. Here is my idea, eliminate points for speeding up to 15 to 20 mph over the limit as long as no accident is involved and if there is, it is not the speeder's fault. In addition to no points, no record of teh ticket is kept either so your insurance company cannot charge you for the ticket in increase cost.

In fact one state has the right idea, it is South Dakota. They award no points for speeding convictions and in fact any ticket up to 10 over the limit is not even recorded. As a bonus, no out of state speeding is recorded regardless of how much over the limit.

Here in Colorado, it is zero points for up to 4 over, one point for up to 9 over. I would like to see our points revised to where up to 15 to 20 over is no points. Nice thing about Colorado, no points/no record for minor violations reported from other states. I had my share of speeding violations in other states especially speed traps on Interstate highways.

It would be nice "the man" would say it is for revenue enhancement and at least take the sting of the license suspension points and insurance increase out of the equation.
19 posted on 11/18/2008 8:17:06 PM PST by CORedneck
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To: conservative cat
A lot of the roads in America, particularly the interstate system, was designed and constructed in the 1950s and 1960s for a target speed of approximately 70 mph. Thus the curves are gradual, banked, etc. for that speed. Note, this was with the cars - tires, suspensions, steering gear and brakes - of that era. Modern vehicles can safely traverse these roads at higher speeds. It remains debatable if modern drivers, given the distractions of cell phones, texting, DVDs playing in the back seat, etc. can safely traverse these roads at any speed.

I'm a safety and timing official for a local once-a-year road race in my area. On practice days and race days the officials take to the course early to get into position in preparation for the race. Thus we get to drive the road when it is closed, technically a private road with no speed limit. By actual test even my silly little 4 Dr. hatchback commuter car is capable of 20 mph or more over the posted speed limit, without pushing it. Not violating lanes (ie. taking a racing line through the corners), not even pushing hard enough for tire howl.

20 posted on 11/18/2008 8:26:31 PM PST by CodeMasterPhilzar
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To: wastedyears
The state of Michigan is in dire financial straits and Governor Granholm is pushing every department to increase revenue by whatever means necessary. You do the math.

I'm a state of Michigan employee, if that adds to the above.

21 posted on 11/18/2008 8:26:49 PM PST by yooper (If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there......)
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