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GIVING UP ON GOD
Washington Post ^ | 11-18-08 | Ma Parker

Posted on 11/18/2008 7:24:10 PM PST by Wegotsarah.com

As Republicans sort out the reasons for their defeat, they likely will overlook or dismiss the gorilla in the pulpit.

Three little letters, great big problem: G-O-D.

I'm bathing in holy water as I type.

To be more specific, the evangelical, right-wing, oogedy-boogedy branch of the GOP is what ails the erstwhile conservative party and will continue to afflict and marginalize its constituents if reckoning doesn't soon cometh.

Simply put: Armband religion is killing the Republican Party. And, the truth -- as long as we're setting ourselves free -- is that if one were to eavesdrop on private conversations among the party intelligentsia, one would hear precisely that.

The choir has become absurdly off-key, and many Republicans know it.

But they need those votes!

So it has been for the Grand Old Party since the 1980s or so, as it has become increasingly beholden to an element that used to be relegated to wooden crates on street corners.

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When did the GOP nominee, John McCain, become a "right wing holy roller"? He didn't seem that way to me. Well-anyway- don’t need a tutorial on “religion” from this opportunist who sold her soul for a few minutes on MSNBC.

My amateur blog- www.wegotsarah.com

1 posted on 11/18/2008 7:24:10 PM PST by Wegotsarah.com
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To: Wegotsarah.com
Yes - I think it is time for us to embrace an “abortion at any time for any reason up to 1 sec before birth” candidate.../s
2 posted on 11/18/2008 7:26:50 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Wegotsarah.com
The Left doesn't get it about social conservatism and never will. There are millions of people around the country who believe in God and in traditional values and family. Those are beliefs that will never go out of style and there will always be a vehicle to represent them in our public life whether or not it happens to be the Republican Party or some new movement.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

3 posted on 11/18/2008 7:28:32 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Wegotsarah.com
When did the GOP nominee, John McCain, become a "right wing holy roller"?

He didn't. But when you're a sleazy WaPo whore anyone more devout than a flaming atheist is a threat to your peace of mind and must be attacked at all costs.

4 posted on 11/18/2008 7:28:53 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Wegotsarah.com

In God we trust, not government, parties, politicians or pundits.


5 posted on 11/18/2008 7:30:21 PM PST by Jim Robinson (We ARE the dissent, baby!)
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To: Wegotsarah.com

Exactly what I would expect from The Washington Compost.


6 posted on 11/18/2008 7:30:47 PM PST by teletech (Friends don't let friends vote DemocRAT)
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To: Wegotsarah.com

I’m a guy, so maybe I’m not the one who should say this, but is this just sour grapes, or PMS?

I’m guessing she thinks those of us who believe in God should only talk to him on Sunday, and never, ever, try to do what we think he wants us to do.

Good thing she was not literally bathing in holy water, or she’d be ashes.

No point in smoking a last cigarette or putting on a blindfold, she’s not worth wasting a bullet on. Time wounds all heels.

Why is she still writing if she has nothing substantive to say? Any ideas? Just sad she’s not in any sort of spotlight, now?


7 posted on 11/18/2008 7:33:31 PM PST by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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To: Wegotsarah.com

People who pontificate for a living are pontificating a little too much about Obama’s victory being a part of changing demographics and values. That’s a factor, but O was a “perfect storm” candidate. Without the war in Iraq, O never happens. Without Bush, O never happens. Without BDS, O never happens. Without the “9/11 Truth” movement, O never happens. Without the Goracle/Climate Change stuff, O never happens. The last two parts weren’t as vital as the first three parts, but all five, and some more that I’m not mentioning (sorry for doing a quick and poor job on this subject) had to come together for the O phenomenon to achieve victory. None of them had much if anything to do with conservative Christian values one way or another.


8 posted on 11/18/2008 7:34:33 PM PST by squidly
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To: Wegotsarah.com
Simply put: Armband religion is killing the Republican Party. And, the truth -- as long as we're setting ourselves free -- is that if one were to eavesdrop on private conversations among the party intelligentsia, one would hear precisely that.

Armband religion...now isn't that an interesting phrase. I wonder what she means by that "armband" thing. Isn't she bothered by Jeremiah Wright and his "armband"?

"The party intelligentsia".....yeah, let's listen to them, they've done such a good job of steering all us hayseeds in the right direction. LOL.

9 posted on 11/18/2008 7:34:42 PM PST by FlyVet
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To: Wegotsarah.com

“We’ve already established what you are, Mrs. Parker. Now we’re just haggling over the price.”


10 posted on 11/18/2008 7:34:58 PM PST by Old Sarge (For the first time in my life, I am ashamed to be an American)
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To: Wegotsarah.com

It sounds like Parker thinks God is dead.


11 posted on 11/18/2008 7:35:06 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (I voted for McCain/Palin so I can look my grandchildren in the eyes when I tell them I'm sorry.)
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To: Wegotsarah.com

The reason McCain lost in 2000 was because he came out just before an important primary and downright insulted evanglicals.

I remember people in my church being outraged, and quite a few of them switching to Bush from McCain.

The press loves to say it was a rumor about a black child, because they love to think that conservatives are racists. We all know that isn’t true. I don’t know anyone that votes based on color, and if they did, I certainly wouldn’t consider them a conservative.


12 posted on 11/18/2008 7:35:48 PM PST by I still care (A Republic - if you can keep it. - Ben Franklin)
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To: Jim Robinson
Kathleen Parker like the rest of the NR crowd has changed her tune to fit in with the New Order. But hey, its just easy to bash the holy rollers and ridicule folks who went to the Republican Convention as gramps in Depends! If that is how conservative intellectuals want to reinvent the Republican Party, I want no part of it!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

13 posted on 11/18/2008 7:36:41 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Wegotsarah.com
Religious conservatives become defensive at any suggestion that they've had something to do with the GOP's erosion.

Funny, the first words that came to mind when I read this were "thank" and "God".

Every once in a while, ya gotta burn the forest to make it grow more lush.

14 posted on 11/18/2008 7:36:56 PM PST by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna!)
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To: FlyVet

“The party intelligentsia”.....yeah, let’s listen to them, they’ve done such a good job of steering all us hayseeds in the right direction. LOL.”

The party intelligentsia that gave us McCain.


15 posted on 11/18/2008 7:37:07 PM PST by I still care (A Republic - if you can keep it. - Ben Franklin)
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To: Rutles4Ever
Kathy, God was not mentioned ONCE at the Convention. I can't remember abortion, or gay marriage or stem cell research - let alone illegal immigration or moral relativism being raised on the floor. The GOP didn't lose this election because they ran on a pro-life and a pro-family platform!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

16 posted on 11/18/2008 7:39:15 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Wegotsarah.com

The article said — “But they need those votes!”

You better believe it! And..., they better not forget it, either... :-)

Better get with the Christian Evangelicals, or the GOP better get ready to lose all future elections...


17 posted on 11/18/2008 7:40:29 PM PST by Star Traveler
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To: I still care
Yep. They touted the great moderate McCain could bring in the Democrats and independents. It didn't work so to cover up their failure, they're now turning their fire on the party's base. Keep it up, guys!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

18 posted on 11/18/2008 7:40:40 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Star Traveler
If the party turns it back on the conservative base, it will go the way of the Whigs and be as marginally interesting as the LaRoush loonies.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

19 posted on 11/18/2008 7:42:18 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: FlyVet

‘Armband religion’ is quite simply..wearing it on your sleeve. In other words, living the life of faith, as opposed to keeping your faith to Church on Sunday, where of course all intelligent people contain it. *insert rolling eyes here*


20 posted on 11/18/2008 7:42:43 PM PST by WVRockDJ (Mountaineer by choice; USMC by choice; Christian by Grace.)
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To: WVRockDJ
What Parker and secular intellectuals mean is stop embarrassing us with talk about God, faith and family and go back in the closet! It makes us feel uncomfortable around our liberal friends. We won't get invited to the Washington cocktail circuit if we have to keep the Elmer Gantry crowd for company!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

21 posted on 11/18/2008 7:45:38 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
"It sounds like Parker thinks God is dead."

We'll see who wins the debate at the Great White Throne...

22 posted on 11/18/2008 7:46:18 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Obama - not just an empty suit - - A Suit Bomb invading the White House)
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To: Wegotsarah.com

In other words, feminism is going to the nursing home, and “Ma Parker” is mad.


23 posted on 11/18/2008 7:47:53 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: WVRockDJ

Thanks for the tip. Are you sure that’s what Kathleen Parker meant by “armband”?


24 posted on 11/18/2008 7:48:43 PM PST by FlyVet
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To: editor-surveyor
Its funny. I've been hearing God declared dead often since I was a child in the 60s. Here we go again!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

25 posted on 11/18/2008 7:49:40 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

Bah, I’m done with Parker, Buckley, et al. The ‘Conservative’ intelligensia would be well served to heed the advice from flyover country. They can’t win without social conservatives...and this is what it’s all about, marginalizing the social conservatives. I can hear them now.. ‘Hell, I just wanna pay lower taxes!’


26 posted on 11/18/2008 7:50:30 PM PST by WVRockDJ (Mountaineer by choice; USMC by choice; Christian by Grace.)
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To: Wegotsarah.com

I’ll stick with God just the same.


27 posted on 11/18/2008 7:51:18 PM PST by keats5 ("I hope for his sake, Joe Biden got that VP thing in writing."- Rudy)
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To: FlyVet
More like the Star Of David armband worn by Jews in Nazi Germany. You know you are loathed and reviled by those in high places and complete darkness surrounds you and evil men will plot your death; and your only hope is to trust in God for salvation. I would rather trust Him than to trust princes who cannot save.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

28 posted on 11/18/2008 7:51:56 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

Yes, remember when John Lennon gave God’s obit?

Look who’s pushing the daiseys though!


29 posted on 11/18/2008 7:52:19 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Obama - not just an empty suit - - A Suit Bomb invading the White House)
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To: WVRockDJ
It reminds me of a famous song about the Jew:

Eretz Yisrael, bli Torah, he k'mo Yehudi bli neshama" ("The Land of Israel, without the Torah, is like a Jew without a soul").

The same thing is true of America. A man without faith in God is like a man who has no true home in America.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

30 posted on 11/18/2008 7:56:27 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Wegotsarah.com

ah... Parker makes her final stab at conservatives before she officially joins the payroll at MSNBC.

Bee-yotch!


31 posted on 11/18/2008 7:57:05 PM PST by AmericanGirlRising (The cow is in the ditch. We know how it got there. Now help me get it out!)
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To: goldstategop
The Nazis also wore an armband, I thought.

When Kathleen the Chameleon accuses Christians of "armband religion", that just rubbed me the wrong way.

Who are all these journalists that have no more principle than politicians?

(No need to answer; no need to answer; I know; I know)

32 posted on 11/18/2008 7:57:41 PM PST by FlyVet
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To: goldstategop

The Jews were forced to wear the Star of David armband. The Nazis chose to wear their swastika armband.


33 posted on 11/18/2008 7:58:05 PM PST by seowulf (Discipline knows no emotion and frequently runs counter to the whims of panic or elation.)
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To: Wegotsarah.com

Apparently Kathleen forgot that it was the secular left, not the religious right, that made social issues such as abortion & homosexuality into political issues. She also apparently forgot that it was her fellow “moderate” Republicans who assured us that we don’t need to worry about changing demographics since we’re a “proposition nation”, rather than a blood-ties nation.

In other words, Kathleen is projecting like crazy here. She’s also campaigning like crazy for the role of THE EXTABLISHMENT MEDIA’S FAVORITE REPUBLICAN, which became vacant when McCain won the nomination.


34 posted on 11/18/2008 7:58:48 PM PST by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (updated!).)
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To: goldstategop

‘The fear of GOD is the beginning of wisdom’ is one of my favorites. I agree with you, FRiend. :-)


35 posted on 11/18/2008 8:00:03 PM PST by WVRockDJ (Mountaineer by choice; USMC by choice; Christian by Grace.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Amen! What conservatives need to do is win this insidious battle for the lexicon. When idiots talk about hate crimes when their homosexual lifestyle gets rejected for intance...

we should rightly point out that:

Embracing Jesus is not a hate crime!

I think we need to come up with t-shirts, stickers and so forth.

I’ve got “bitter clinger” on my car now next to my Carolina Panthers and Air Force stickers. :)

But I think we need a more unified and accurate message! Short and to the point.


36 posted on 11/18/2008 8:00:10 PM PST by tpanther (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke)
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To: Jim Robinson

Thanks Jim, well put!! Just as Our Lord told us it should be!


37 posted on 11/18/2008 8:06:57 PM PST by gidget7 (Duncan Hunter-Valley Forge Republican!)
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To: WVRockDJ
Those who do not fear God and scorn His holy ones are fools.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

38 posted on 11/18/2008 8:07:37 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Wegotsarah.com

Wait until God gives up on you, Ma Parker.

You won’t like that day. Nor afterwards...


39 posted on 11/18/2008 8:08:03 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: 2banana

As an agnostic, I have to agree with the writer.

Republicans needs to stop being the party of the conservative religious right, and start looking to include those who do not hold the same religious views. .. or for that matter, no religious views at all.

I don’t need to be a southern Baptist to believe in limited government. I don’t need a bible to tell me abortion is wrong. I don’t need Sunday school to know that a strong military is what we need to fight Islamic fascism. And I don’t need prayer groups to see that socialism is state sponsored slavery.


40 posted on 11/18/2008 8:10:01 PM PST by MeanGreen2008
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To: Wegotsarah.com

Armband atheists are creepier. I’m afraid that they’ve asked themselves an evil question with their “Just be good, for goodness sake” slogan. The answer being, “Or what?...nothing.”

While that seems trivial, that answer can be murderous, quite literally.

Already they embrace the idea that life is meaningless, at least other people’s lives. So life just becomes a race with the clock to do what you want to do before you die. And if that involves harming others, so what?, you’re all going to die anyway.

They miss a very important point. If life is meaningless, why try to proselytize others about atheism, or hate people because of their religious faith?

It is also easy to see why they are so terribly bitter about how “unfair” life has been to them so far. How it’s unfair that they weren’t born handsome, popular, loved, wealthy, smart, talented, and things like that, even though other people are like that It’s unfair.

But if your life is based on your own whims, and such people bother you, why not hate them and try to tear them down? Why not, indeed.

Or why not even kill them? Why not? Other people crowd their space, and most of them they hate, so why not hope they all die, so you can have more? They’re just billions of stupid religious nobodies.

Such armband atheists tend to be very miserable. They no longer have God in their mental equation, and they see that the hand of cards they were dealt in life is pretty meager indeed. They also must be dreadfully afraid of dying, so the one type of killing they object to is capital punishment.

For two reasons, I suppose. First of all they resent the idea that if they kill somebody on a whim, or for pure hatred, that people they despise, inferior people, religious people, would have their lives in their hands. Second, they also don’t want the idea of having their one-shot life curtailed. Even living in prison is better than nothingness.

Armband atheists have an awful lot of control issues, and that nagging fear that if they’re wrong, the misery they suffer after life is going to be a lot worse than the misery they suffer during life.


41 posted on 11/18/2008 8:13:41 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Wegotsarah.com

I suggest the Washington Compost stick with figuring out why it continues to lose readers.

http://www.washingtonian.com/blogarticles/mediapolitics/capitalcomment/4400.html


42 posted on 11/18/2008 8:16:55 PM PST by taxesareforever (Quick justice for the senseless killing of Marine Lance Cpl. Robert Crutchfield.)
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To: FlyVet

I was under the impression that the armband reference was to Nazi’s wearing swaztika armbands; as throwing Nazi references liberally around is the mode du jour over on the left.


43 posted on 11/18/2008 8:17:03 PM PST by eclecticEel (men who believe deeply in something, even wrong, usually triumph over men who believe in nothing)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Well said. In a large sense, some atheists are merely unwilling satanists.


44 posted on 11/18/2008 8:17:08 PM PST by tpanther (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke)
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To: MeanGreen2008
Republicans needs to stop being the party of the conservative religious right, ******************************

MG2008, you are what you are- I'm not asking. But, please, respectfully, explain to me what the GOP did this year that evinces it is the party of "the conservative religious right"?

I have a strong faith, but if the GOP was trying to appeal to me on that basis this year, I missed it. Honestly, please explain how that manifested itself. Thanks

45 posted on 11/18/2008 8:19:03 PM PST by Wegotsarah.com (WE WIN- WE HAVE SARAH, AND THEY DON'T!)
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To: MeanGreen2008
and start looking to include those who do not hold the same religious views. .. or for that matter, no religious views at all.

I don’t need to be a southern Baptist to believe in limited government. I don’t need a bible to tell me abortion is wrong.

Who gets to define what is good, moral, charitable, evil, etc.? You? Me? MTV? A Saddam? A Stalin?

To ancient Aztecs - cutting out the still beating heart of a human sacrifices (including children) was the highest order of good.

To a large percent of Muslims - killing, raping and enslaving infidels is the highest order of good in Islam.

To Hindus - Attacking, ignoring, prejudicing against and letting die for people in lower order castes is perfectly alright.

To certain Pacific Tribes - eating your enemy was the highest form of good.

And I could go on for pages...

The actions you mentioned are good works from a Christian viewpoint:

Matthew 22:37-40 -- Jesus replied: "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself. All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments." And Jesus also said "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." (Luke 6:31; Luke 10:27 (affirming of Moses) and Matthew 7:12)

But by no means has this "philosophy" been accepted the world over as "good or moral." Not by a long shot.

What makes murder inherently wrong (to Christians) is not that it feels wrong, but that a transcendent Creator to whom we are answerable commands: "Thou shalt not murder." What makes kindness to others inherently right (to Christians) is not that human reason says so, but that God does: "Love thy neighbor as thyself; I am the Lord."

What is "good or evil" without God? Without any footing for moral actions - anything can be rationalized as good or evil. You can just make it up as you go along. Good actions can be whatever society thinks it is with the popular culture at the time. If that be in Nazi Germany or Pol Pot's Cambodia or North Korea - that means doing "good" is slaughtering millions of people and sending millions more into misery. But, by their own human standards at the time in history, they were all doing good.

You and I grew up and live in a country founded in Judeo-Christian values, so it may seem obvious to you what is "good." But that is due to the Judeo-Christian influences on you (even if you don't believe in God or have never been in a Church). To others without that kind of influence, doing "good" can be radically different.

46 posted on 11/18/2008 8:20:24 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: MeanGreen2008

It would be hoped that more people would see those things; it’s sad that it can’t be so.


47 posted on 11/18/2008 8:23:05 PM PST by eclecticEel (men who believe deeply in something, even wrong, usually triumph over men who believe in nothing)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
"God is Dead."- Nietzsche

"Nietzsche is Dead!"- God

48 posted on 11/18/2008 8:23:19 PM PST by Brucifer ("The dog ate my copy of the Constitution." G W Bush)
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To: MeanGreen2008
I don’t need to be a southern Baptist to believe in limited government. I don’t need a bible to tell me abortion is wrong. I don’t need Sunday school to know that a strong military is what we need to fight Islamic fascism. And I don’t need prayer groups to see that socialism is state sponsored slavery.

Well said.

49 posted on 11/18/2008 8:23:56 PM PST by Citizen Blade (What would Ronald Reagan do?)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Good insights, good post.


50 posted on 11/18/2008 8:25:36 PM PST by mrsmel (That one is not my president.)
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