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GIVING UP ON GOD
Washington Post ^ | 11-18-08 | Ma Parker

Posted on 11/18/2008 7:24:10 PM PST by Wegotsarah.com

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To: Wegotsarah.com

WOW!!! I DONT REALLY AGREE WITH MOST OF Ms. PARKER’S STUFF BUT SHE DOES HAVE SOME POINTS. FOR REFLECTION AS TO WHY WE GOT THUMPED AND WILL GET THUMPED AGAIN.

Chasing “conspiracy birth certificates” and manufacturing “commie fears” wont get us back into power.

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To be more specific, the evangelical, right-wing, oogedy-boogedy branch of the GOP is what ails the erstwhile conservative party and will continue to afflict and marginalize its constituents if reckoning doesn’t soon cometh. Simply put: Armband religion is killing the Republican Party. And, the truth — as long as we’re setting ourselves free — is that if one were to eavesdrop on private conversations among the party intelligentsia, one would hear precisely that. The choir has become absurdly off-key, and many Republicans know it.

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Which is to say, the GOP has surrendered its high ground to its lowest brows. In the process, the party has alienated its non-base constituents, including other people of faith (those who prefer a more private approach to worship), as well as secularists and conservative-leaning Democrats who otherwise might be tempted to cross the aisle.

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Here’s the deal, ‘pubbies: Howard Dean was right. It isn’t that culture doesn’t matter. It does. But preaching to the choir produces no converts. And shifting demographics suggest that the Republican Party — and conservatism with it — eventually will die out unless religion is returned to the privacy of one’s heart where it belongs.

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Religious conservatives become defensive at any suggestion that they’ve had something to do with the GOP’s erosion. And, though the recent Democratic sweep can be attributed in large part to a referendum on Bush and the failing economy, three long-term trends identified by Emory University’s Alan Abramowitz have been devastating to the Republican Party: increasing racial diversity, declining marriage rates and changes in religious beliefs.

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Suffice it to say, the Republican Party is largely comprised of white, married Christians. Anyone watching the two conventions last summer can’t have missed the stark differences: One party was brimming with energy, youth and diversity; the other felt like an annual Depends sales meeting.

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But, like it or not, we are a diverse nation, no longer predominantly white and Christian. The change Barack Obama promised has already occurred, which is why he won.

Among Jewish voters, 78 percent went for Obama. Sixty-six percent of under-30 voters did likewise. Forty-five percent of voters ages 18-29 are Democrats compared to just 26 percent Republican; in 2000, party affiliation was split almost evenly.

The young will get older, of course. Most eventually will marry, and some will become their parents. But nonwhites won’t get whiter. And the nonreligious won’t get religion through external conversion. It doesn’t work that way.

Given those facts, the future of the GOP looks dim and dimmer if it stays the present course. Either the Republican Party needs a new base — or the nation may need a new party.

Kathleen Parker’s e-mail address is kparker@kparker.com.


101 posted on 11/19/2008 9:03:33 AM PST by Conservative who is not a GoP
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To: Conservative who is not a GoP
So the GOP needs to copy these guys even more?
102 posted on 11/19/2008 9:16:45 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: rollo tomasi

The GoP needs to go back to the roots. The real ones.

Trying to be the “Negative Party” or “Obstructionist Party” or “Smear Party” or “Conspiracy Party” or “Hate Obama Party” or “Hate none-whites Party” or “Hate seculars Party” or “Hate Environment Party” or “Hate none-uniform views Party” or “Hate following the Laws Party” wont get us back to power.

This was the most important messgae that Ms. Palin delivered last week at the Governors meeting in Florida.


103 posted on 11/19/2008 9:26:36 AM PST by Conservative who is not a GoP
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To: Conservative who is not a GoP
Trying to be the “Negative Party” or “Obstructionist Party” or “Smear Party” or “Conspiracy Party” or “Hate Obama Party” or “Hate none-whites Party” or “Hate seculars Party” or “Hate Environment Party” or “Hate none-uniform views Party” or “Hate following the Laws Party” wont get us back to power.

How old are you? Do you remember Goldwater, Nixon (His work expanded government but dems still spread the crap), Ford (Ditto Nixon) and Reagan (Especially receiving the hyperbole). All the media driven hyperbole you listed described each of them. You don't sacrifice principles to be liked, you sacrifice principles to be damned and I am damned if I vote for a Party who sacrifices principles.
104 posted on 11/19/2008 9:37:21 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: rollo tomasi

Trying to be the ANTI-PARTY will not take us back to power.

We need to be in the solutions business. Ms. Palin and Mr. Jindal said it best.

Either we reform to a “SOLUTIONS PARTY” or we stay in oppo forever.


105 posted on 11/19/2008 9:48:08 AM PST by Conservative who is not a GoP
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To: rollo tomasi
Substitute “Hate Obama” for any democrat with dark pigment. Do you realize how blacks viewed Reagan? Apparently he won some elections sticking to his principles.

You seem to have this fetish of taking media driven hyperbole seriously and shaping the GOP in order to appease them. You cannot out promise the collectivist democrats, it's bad government as well but you are more concerned about “winning”, while destroying liberty in the process and being "liked" than being right.
106 posted on 11/19/2008 9:48:41 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: Conservative who is not a GoP
What issues in the GOP platform need changing (I am an independent by the way)?

As far as the PR war, the GOP will never win. What percentage of the media, Journalism professors, students etc... are for/understand limited government and the sanctity of human life? The answer is not to become like “them” but to be above “them”, maintaining your principles. The solutions are already built in but the people crave "free stuff". So your answer is to give the people "free stuff" by appeasing them? Come on.

107 posted on 11/19/2008 9:55:37 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: rollo tomasi

Today’s world has so many problems. And they require different solutions for different situations. Conservatism should demand that solutions (that may or may not draw from our principles) be used to solve the problems.

PRAGMATISM is a serious virtue of core CONSERVATISM values. That is undertsanding that we have to solve problems.

Standing in a crowd shouting principles while people go hungry, go homeless, go jobless, etc does not work anymore.

SOLUTIONS my friend. Go read the output of the FL meeting.


108 posted on 11/19/2008 9:59:54 AM PST by Conservative who is not a GoP
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To: Conservative who is not a GoP
Either we reform to a “SOLUTIONS PARTY” or we stay in oppo forever.

Do you remember late 1993-1994? Guess what, the GOP rolled over after taking control of Congress. Do you want to know why? Because they were afraid and tired of being called the “Negative Party” or “Obstructionist Party” or “Smear Party” or “Conspiracy Party” "Hate none-whites Party” or “Hate seculars Party” or “Hate Environment Party” or “Hate none-uniform views Party” or “Hate following the Laws Party”. Those that promise self government and value morality will never be liked by the media.
109 posted on 11/19/2008 10:07:48 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: Conservative who is not a GoP
“Solutions” like expanding wasteful programs, leading more and more people into dependence, driving up debt, taxing people at a higher rate, taxing more and more, letting people be irresponsible, etc... is a suicide solution.

The solution is for government to create the atmosphere of success, not be the provider. That means shrinking government programs, lowering debt, taxing people at a lower rate, taxing less, saying no to the whiners you want appeased, explaining to “the people” the concepts of self control, self government and liberty etc...

Apparently you value your chains instead of liberty.

110 posted on 11/19/2008 10:15:23 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: rollo tomasi

Now thats a start. If we can follow Ms. Palin, Mr. Jindal and Mr. Pawlenty words of “solutions” for everyday america that have a conservative shade, we would be heading somewhere.

Not wasting time with frivilous birth-certificates and school certifcates and appointments of Mr. O.

Unless we want to be permanently in opposition.


111 posted on 11/19/2008 10:25:03 AM PST by Conservative who is not a GoP
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To: Conservative who is not a GoP
Disagree with “appointments” part. Appointments should be heavily vetted using the advice and consent clause but the BC stuff is something the current Executive Branch should be dealing with/investigating (If something damaging is there which I doubt).
112 posted on 11/19/2008 10:41:26 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: Mr. Silverback; MeanGreen2008

Talk about getting into someone’s head and revealing their deepest thoughts.

Excellent analysis - are you a doctor or something?


113 posted on 11/19/2008 3:12:05 PM PST by BrandtMichaels
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To: Conservative who is not a GoP

I like and appreciate all those on FreeRepublic who chase conspiracy theories.

Stop and think for just a moment...

how incredibly nice it would be for anyone in a position of power (say Justice Thomas) to rise up and cite the constitution to our new pres-elect.

To hold him to the ultimate standard and impose the only penalty allowed by law when Barack Hussein Obama fails to prove he is a Natural born citizen of the United States of America!!! When he is reviled and thrown out as an imposter!


114 posted on 11/19/2008 3:27:38 PM PST by BrandtMichaels
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To: Clemenza

“They also know not to shove it down other people’s throats. The same goes for civilized non-believers.”

I agree with this sentiment on principle, but we probably disagree with the application. I believe that the taking of any human life is wrong, including the unborn. I also believe that Roe v. Wade was a bad decision, not one based in constitutional law. Am I imposing my “religious” views on anyone by trying to elect people who will nominate justices who will overturn this law and return the making of laws of this kind back to the legislature?


115 posted on 11/19/2008 9:37:24 PM PST by wastedpotential (McCain always said I was an agent of intolerance, but we were the ones who tolerated him most)
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To: 2banana
To a large percent of Muslims - killing, raping and enslaving infidels is the highest order of good in Islam.

Wrong.

116 posted on 11/20/2008 2:56:45 PM PST by MeanGreen2008
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To: Wegotsarah.com
To all those who have voiced agreement with Parker on this thread, I still respectfully request that you please explain to me how the GOP catered to religious conservatives this year?

The nomination of Sarah Palin for one.

117 posted on 11/20/2008 2:59:51 PM PST by MeanGreen2008
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To: wastedpotential

I wasn’t talking about Abortion, I was talking about school prayer, “intelligent design”, and screaming about this being a “christian nation” as if we are a theocracy. THOSE are the people I am referencing. They are a very small minority in this country, but (like the militant atheists) they talk VERY LOUD.


118 posted on 11/20/2008 3:04:58 PM PST by Clemenza (Red is the Color of Virility, Blue is the Color of Impotence)
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To: MeanGreen2008

The nomination of Sarah Palin for one.
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Anything else?


119 posted on 11/20/2008 3:27:12 PM PST by Wegotsarah.com (My amateur blog--www.wegotsarah.com)
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