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Quit It Kathleen (Parker Excoriates "GOD" Conservatives, Goldberg Blasts Back)
National Review's The Corner ^ | 11-19-08 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on 11/19/2008 7:55:57 AM PST by TitansAFC

Edited on 11/19/2008 8:02:40 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

To my friend Kathleen Parker — This act is getting really old.

As Republicans sort out the reasons for their defeat, they likely will overlook or dismiss the gorilla in the pulpit.

Three little letters, great big problem: G-O-D.

I'm bathing in holy water as I type.


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KEYWORDS: 2012; elections; palin; parker; vichyrepublican
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Kathleen Parker goes anti-religious-Conservative full-tilt. Still blasts Palin and supporters - blames dismal GOP future on religious Conservatives.
1 posted on 11/19/2008 7:55:58 AM PST by TitansAFC
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To: TitansAFC

Well Parker needs to take some advice from Michael Steele, “If people want to be Democrats they can go be Democrats”.


2 posted on 11/19/2008 7:58:29 AM PST by redk
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To: TitansAFC

So McCain is a holy-roller, and that’s why he lost?

Seems the RINOs were the ones who did the losing.


3 posted on 11/19/2008 7:58:35 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Politicians, like diapers, should be changed often. And for the same reason.)
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To: TitansAFC

I’d rather have a conservatism without Kathleen Parker than one without God.

H


4 posted on 11/19/2008 8:00:42 AM PST by SnakeDoctor (Keep Austin Quarantined ...)
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To: TitansAFC

The Huckabee-nanny-state-sub-group IS a problem.

But the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY Conservative Christians are not of his socialist-from-the-pulpit ilk.

Shedding the Huckabee image is important.


5 posted on 11/19/2008 8:00:55 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Beware of Obama's Reichstag Fire; Don't permit him to seize emergency powers.)
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To: All

I don’t know why NR still has her column on the website. Her column about McCain and Palin as Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky was vile.

And Goldberg hits the nail on the head - she needs to stop pretending she’s a martyr for writing deliberately controversial columns, which predictably get a response.


6 posted on 11/19/2008 8:01:08 AM PST by nyc1
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To: TitansAFC
***PLEASE HIT NO VICHY REPUBLICAN PUNDITS***

NRO should rid itself of Katty Kathy Parker.

7 posted on 11/19/2008 8:02:41 AM PST by Mamzelle (Boycott Peggy Swoonin')
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To: TitansAFC

I think she simply enjoys the persecution and revels in being a “martyr.”

Maybe if we just ignore her she’ll go away.


8 posted on 11/19/2008 8:02:49 AM PST by rightwingintelligentsia
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To: TitansAFC

curious that people talk this way when stats show that the problem with the republicans was not that obama brought out significantly more democrats but rather that McCain inspired significantly fewer republicans to vote.

McCain was the most liberal of republicans. the one most willing to agree with the liberal critics. McCain was the one most eager to please the atheists. They peed on him of course. While McCain discouraged the base from voting.


9 posted on 11/19/2008 8:02:58 AM PST by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: MeanWestTexan

I agree!


10 posted on 11/19/2008 8:03:48 AM PST by IMissPresidentReagan (Join me now in the NEW Reagan Revolution, to bring Conservatism BACK! www.reaganaction.com)
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To: TitansAFC
I think we should all chip in and get Kathleen a hooker. She'll have a new outlook on things afterwards.
11 posted on 11/19/2008 8:04:22 AM PST by McGruff (Read my lips. No new bailouts!)
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To: MeanWestTexan

People of the “right” religious mindset understand that the individual chooses to act morally or not, and if forced to by government, that isn’t helping people be any more moral,

any more than socialists confiscating wealth from people makes them more generous.


12 posted on 11/19/2008 8:05:17 AM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: TitansAFC

just join the Dhimmi party Kate.


13 posted on 11/19/2008 8:05:24 AM PST by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: TitansAFC

“...And the nonreligious won’t get religion through external conversion. It doesn’t work that way.”

Umm...actually Kathleen, yes it does work that way. Christianity is a rescue religion. Every Christian who has ever lived was, at some time in their life, a non-Christian.
You can be born to Christian parents, and be brought up in a Christian household, and be taught Christian doctrine until you can recite the Bible word for word, but none of that makes you a Christian.

Perhaps she is right about the US no longer being a Christian nation, when someone as intelligent as herself doesn’t understand basic Christian belief.


14 posted on 11/19/2008 8:05:55 AM PST by Vanders9
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To: TitansAFC

Kathleen Parker is an attention whore.


15 posted on 11/19/2008 8:06:38 AM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: TitansAFC

Dang...is she trying to be Maureen Dowd or what?? Talk about snarky! She’s embarrassing comparing the so called young and vibrant dem convention to the depends wearing GOP.
Good grief!! I guess you see what you want to see, parker.


16 posted on 11/19/2008 8:06:39 AM PST by jackv (Just shakin' my head!!)
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To: IMissPresidentReagan

Note: it’s an IMAGE issue, not substance.

The media portrays Republicans as Bible-thumping luddites.

There are SECULAR arguments (and even religious ones, where you take the moral lessons of the Bible and don’t reveals the inspiration) that work on the MORAL issues of the day.

It’s FRAMING THE ISSUE.

Avoiding having a Baptist preacher as a major face of the party is necessary.


17 posted on 11/19/2008 8:07:18 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Beware of Obama's Reichstag Fire; Don't permit him to seize emergency powers.)
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To: redk

Sounds like she has gone over to the “Dark Side”.


18 posted on 11/19/2008 8:07:20 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy (tHE)
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To: TitansAFC
... blames dismal GOP future on religious Conservatives.

With the exception of some Catholics who flopped to the Dims again as they did for Clinton, she is dissing the one group that DID show up this time.

19 posted on 11/19/2008 8:07:20 AM PST by Ingtar (For the first time in my adult life, I am NOT proud of America.)
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To: TitansAFC

I may be looking at this stuff in a skewed way but, according to the analysis, didn’t McCain lose because conservative and religious-oids stayed home? So those spouting a move to the left and tuning out moral issues really don’t have the party’s best interest in mind. And if conservative Repubs or whoever don’t stand up for morality, who will? I read that everyone on both sides of the political spectrum consider themselves “pro-family” - oh really? Take a look at the gay protests - for all the religious folk bashing that’s going on there, Parker and even Goldberg could well join the crowd!


20 posted on 11/19/2008 8:07:29 AM PST by matginzac
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To: TitansAFC

i’d rather be a GOD conservative, low-brow and a real person than a liberal RINO Elitist Republican anyday. (and I am sure most in the party would).


21 posted on 11/19/2008 8:07:48 AM PST by JSDude1 (PAUL BROUN for House Republican Minority Leader..Mike Pence for conference chair!)
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To: MrB

Correct.


22 posted on 11/19/2008 8:09:52 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Beware of Obama's Reichstag Fire; Don't permit him to seize emergency powers.)
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To: TitansAFC
Don't tell Kathleen Parker about some religious nuts back about 232 years ago who fought the British...

"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--"

23 posted on 11/19/2008 8:10:12 AM PST by avacado
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To: MeanWestTexan

You are correct...more and more people view ANY Republican as part of the Christian Coalition. There are many that are concerned about entrusting the Country to the far right intolerant religious fringe. They’ve painted the whole Party with that brush and made it hard for voteres to get by that image.


24 posted on 11/19/2008 8:12:39 AM PST by HappyinAZ
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To: avacado

The Judeo-Christian (Old/New Testament) morality on which our culture is based is the only one for which our (intended) system of governance will work.


25 posted on 11/19/2008 8:12:48 AM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: MeanWestTexan

Huckabee made the mistake of seeing that being more Liberal seemed to be working for McCain and copied it. Romney figured there were enough Liberals, so he would act Conservative. Giuliani, who knows what he was thinking? There were good reasons why Huckabee was a real favorite on FR until this election. As with the rest of the GOP team this year, he “played to the perceived crowd” rather than being genuine. The only two genuine candidates on the GOP side got 1% and ignored, or painted as lazy and inconsequential.


26 posted on 11/19/2008 8:13:11 AM PST by Ingtar (For the first time in my adult life, I am NOT proud of America.)
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To: TitansAFC
Look, our forefathers were very wise in separating their religion from Politics. We need to do the same and stop dancing to the Dem tune that " Republicans Have Religion" while Democrats do not.

The fact is that Demcrats mostly treat politics AS their religion while Republicans in general trend do not.

This makes Democrats susceptible to charasmatic totalitarian government, as Jonah Goldberg has written in his book:

Liberal Fascism, The Secret History of AMerica's Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning.

Republicans need to stop equating their party with the Religious Right, which is a horrid Dem trap, and our relgious brothers and sisters in the Republican party need to [place their evangelism inside of their communities and refrain from insisting that the party be a religious platform, rather than a values platform.

The Republican Party hosts a vast spectrum of religions, but only a small cadre within it are vocal political evangelists. I respect their beliefs but not their manifestation particularly, for it tars the whole Republican party as a bunch of cross eyed wing nuts , when nothing could be further from the truth.

So I agree with Jonah, and the cost hr delineates is having the party marginalized at a time when it needs strength to compete against an emerging totalitarian America.

God , you will find, is on both sides of politics, whether we might like that or not. He just manifests differently on those two sides.

We need to fight for our common conservative values based on our wide religious base, we do not need to fight for any one religion. Fighting for any one religion means the death of the Republican Party.

27 posted on 11/19/2008 8:13:14 AM PST by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, ( member NRA)
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To: ckilmer

“curious that people talk this way when stats show that the problem with the republicans was not that obama brought out significantly more democrats but rather that McCain inspired significantly fewer republicans to vote.”

Exactly, I know quite a few people who vote Republican and only Republican who would not vote for McCain regardless of the fact that they loved Sarah.


28 posted on 11/19/2008 8:14:24 AM PST by redk
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To: redk

Agreed!


29 posted on 11/19/2008 8:14:39 AM PST by cvq3842
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To: TitansAFC
I'm really starting despise Parker and her mealy-mouthed Rat pronouncements. Naturally, she's got it all wrong...she's part of the problem while Governor Palin is part of the solution, rather than the other way around.

Stupid hussy.

30 posted on 11/19/2008 8:14:55 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin is a smart missile aimed at the heart of the left!)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Maybe if we just ignore her she’ll go away.

That is the tactic I am trying.

31 posted on 11/19/2008 8:15:17 AM PST by Bahbah (Typical white person-Snow white)
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To: Candor7

“God , you will find, is on both sides of politics, whether we might like that or not.”

I respectfully disagree. Liberalism is Godless.

I do, however, believe we need to be quiet about religion, and, where possible come at things from a moral, but secular, basis.


32 posted on 11/19/2008 8:16:55 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Beware of Obama's Reichstag Fire; Don't permit him to seize emergency powers.)
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To: ckilmer

If he had not put Palin (or a similarly authentic, conservative 9from what I could tell) figure) on the ticket, I would have voted third party.

McCain ran an awful campaign. As someone else here said, I’m sorry Obama won, but I’m glad McCain lost.


33 posted on 11/19/2008 8:16:56 AM PST by cvq3842
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To: Hemorrhage
I’d rather have a conservatism without Kathleen Parker than one without God

Amen! If the people want to side with the democrats because we love God let them. There are certain fouindational pillars that I won't ever give up. I will not abandon my religion to win converts to my party.

34 posted on 11/19/2008 8:17:20 AM PST by pgkdan ( All Catholics should know supporting Obama constitutes material cooperation with intrinsic evil.)
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To: TitansAFC

I can agree with Kathleen Parker about only one thing: I wish to gracious our wonderful Sarah would stop saying, “I’m like” when she means “I said.” Please, Sarah.


35 posted on 11/19/2008 8:19:09 AM PST by ottbmare
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To: TitansAFC

Freepmail.


36 posted on 11/19/2008 8:21:10 AM PST by gov_bean_ counter ( Sarah Palin is America's Margaret Thatcher; Obama is America's George Galloway.)
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To: TitansAFC
“Simply put: Armband religion is killing the Republican Party. And, the truth — as long as we're setting ourselves free — is that if one were to eavesdrop on private conversations among the party intelligentsia, one would hear precisely that. “

My goodness. The US postal service must have lost my invitation to the NRO cruise and those enlightening upcoming seasonal Heritage Foundation and RNC cocktail parties (though they have my email address to solicit donations)

So however can little low (uni) brow me be expected to hear the “truth” being whispered by intelligentsia of “my” party?

I will have to stay home rocking the cradle, stirring the fire, and ironing my familys' armbands for Sunday revival services, and generally by my very existence, causing the discrete small-r “republicans” to lament the Walmart plastic picket fences and tacky holiday manger scenes now marring their shining city on a hill.

37 posted on 11/19/2008 8:21:43 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: pgkdan

>> There are certain fouindational pillars that I won’t ever give up. I will not abandon my religion to win converts to my party.

As Reagan noted in his 1975 CPAC speech ...

“A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency, or simply to swell its numbers. [...] And if there are those who cannot subscribe to these principles, then let them go their way.”

I agree with Ms. Parker on occasion, and greatly enjoyed “Save the Males” ... but perhaps it is time to let her go her own way.

H


38 posted on 11/19/2008 8:21:49 AM PST by SnakeDoctor (Keep Austin Quarantined ...)
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To: TitansAFC
I hate it when I'm right. I called this before the election: there are a few elitists out there who are stupid and hateful enough to think, that in just 3 short months Sarah Palin singlehandedly was responsible for the demise of the Republican party.

As it turns out McCain did as well as he did because of Palin and the "lowbrow" base. And I think Kathleen Parker knows this and is scared out of her $100 panties.

Now Kathleen Parker will get one or two really hateful emails and whine and pout and tell us she got "hundreds, if not thousands like this."

What is more lowbrow than a grown woman having a temper tantrum? I'm sick of this brat.

39 posted on 11/19/2008 8:22:14 AM PST by LiberConservative (Typical white guy)
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To: Mamzelle

Hear! Hear!

The Vichy deserve our indifference, even ambivalence, certainly not a platform to snipe at Conservatives.


40 posted on 11/19/2008 8:22:23 AM PST by padre35 (Conservative in Exile...Rom 10.10..)
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To: Candor7

Very well said.


41 posted on 11/19/2008 8:23:56 AM PST by norton
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To: TitansAFC
"Kathleen Parker goes anti-religious-Conservative full-tilt. "

Make no mistake...Parker is NOT a conservative - at least no by our term of reference.

Imagine you were a liberal columnist...in a virtual SEA of liberal columnists. Oh, woe is you...how do you get attention, how do you get syndicated, and moreover, how do you get conservatives to read your column?

Ka-boom, just subscribe to the RINO plan conservative intervention, and just CALL yourself a "conservative columnist".

This will accomplishe the first three objectives, plus, it will cement your popularity by all of the letters you will receive (mostly from pissed off conservatives telling you that you are NOT a conservative...which you already know). Now her Resume' has some meat, some "verified readers"..."1,000 letters a month...", etc.

This woman lives for your complaints...it is her passion, it is her orgasm. Do to her what most women hate to have done to them....IGNORE HER.

She used to be in our local paper back in the 80's, and she was doing the same drivel back then too. Shes a liberal shill, and that's all she'll ever be.
42 posted on 11/19/2008 8:23:58 AM PST by FrankR (Where's Waldo ([W]here [A]re [L]egal [D]ocuments [O]bama? (i.e. birth certificate))
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To: Vanders9
Umm...actually Kathleen, yes it does work that way. Christianity is a rescue religion.

Kathleen has fallen prey to the common falsehood, "I have not experienced that, therefore nobody has." or, "I have not seen that, therefore nobody has."

The more self-centered a person is, the more he will think in that way.

Millions of Christian converts, beginning perhaps with Saul of Tarsus, could point out the error of her assertion.

43 posted on 11/19/2008 8:24:41 AM PST by TChris (So many useful idiots...)
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To: TitansAFC

Why do the heathen rage?


44 posted on 11/19/2008 8:25:43 AM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: jackv

The problem with Parker is that she is a neophyte in the emerging community of born-again iconoclasts; having come late to the party she failed to see the feller-that-brung-her slip out the door so she dances the empty floor, alone.


45 posted on 11/19/2008 8:28:42 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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To: MeanWestTexan
"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with
human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition,
revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only
for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
--
October 11, 1798 John Adams
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai

46 posted on 11/19/2008 8:29:12 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: LiberConservative
And I think Kathleen Parker knows this and is scared out of her $100 panties

You'd think she'd be able to get big girl panties, for a hundred bucks. Apparently not.

47 posted on 11/19/2008 8:31:00 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: ottbmare
I can agree with Kathleen Parker about only one thing: I wish to gracious our wonderful Sarah would stop saying, “I’m like” when she means “I said.” Please, Sarah.

The downside of children is that they can be a bad influence on the parents.
48 posted on 11/19/2008 8:32:14 AM PST by Cheburashka (Democratic Underground: where PCP is not just for breakfast anymore.)
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To: Candor7

That’s nice.

So what’s your take on the Kathleen Parker piece this thread is about?


49 posted on 11/19/2008 8:32:32 AM PST by NinoFan
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To: TitansAFC

Another pathetic sideshow from the Big Tent crowd.

Big Tent = clowns, freaks and fresh manure.


50 posted on 11/19/2008 8:33:47 AM PST by WestTexasWend
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