Skip to comments.Quit It Kathleen (Parker Excoriates "GOD" Conservatives, Goldberg Blasts Back)
Posted on 11/19/2008 7:55:57 AM PST by TitansAFCEdited on 11/19/2008 8:02:40 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
To my friend Kathleen Parker This act is getting really old.
As Republicans sort out the reasons for their defeat, they likely will overlook or dismiss the gorilla in the pulpit.
Three little letters, great big problem: G-O-D.
I'm bathing in holy water as I type.
Well Parker needs to take some advice from Michael Steele, “If people want to be Democrats they can go be Democrats”.
So McCain is a holy-roller, and that’s why he lost?
Seems the RINOs were the ones who did the losing.
I’d rather have a conservatism without Kathleen Parker than one without God.
The Huckabee-nanny-state-sub-group IS a problem.
But the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY Conservative Christians are not of his socialist-from-the-pulpit ilk.
Shedding the Huckabee image is important.
I don’t know why NR still has her column on the website. Her column about McCain and Palin as Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky was vile.
And Goldberg hits the nail on the head - she needs to stop pretending she’s a martyr for writing deliberately controversial columns, which predictably get a response.
NRO should rid itself of Katty Kathy Parker.
I think she simply enjoys the persecution and revels in being a “martyr.”
Maybe if we just ignore her she’ll go away.
curious that people talk this way when stats show that the problem with the republicans was not that obama brought out significantly more democrats but rather that McCain inspired significantly fewer republicans to vote.
McCain was the most liberal of republicans. the one most willing to agree with the liberal critics. McCain was the one most eager to please the atheists. They peed on him of course. While McCain discouraged the base from voting.
People of the “right” religious mindset understand that the individual chooses to act morally or not, and if forced to by government, that isn’t helping people be any more moral,
any more than socialists confiscating wealth from people makes them more generous.
just join the Dhimmi party Kate.
“...And the nonreligious won’t get religion through external conversion. It doesn’t work that way.”
Umm...actually Kathleen, yes it does work that way. Christianity is a rescue religion. Every Christian who has ever lived was, at some time in their life, a non-Christian.
You can be born to Christian parents, and be brought up in a Christian household, and be taught Christian doctrine until you can recite the Bible word for word, but none of that makes you a Christian.
Perhaps she is right about the US no longer being a Christian nation, when someone as intelligent as herself doesn’t understand basic Christian belief.
Kathleen Parker is an attention whore.
Dang...is she trying to be Maureen Dowd or what?? Talk about snarky! She’s embarrassing comparing the so called young and vibrant dem convention to the depends wearing GOP.
Good grief!! I guess you see what you want to see, parker.
Note: it’s an IMAGE issue, not substance.
The media portrays Republicans as Bible-thumping luddites.
There are SECULAR arguments (and even religious ones, where you take the moral lessons of the Bible and don’t reveals the inspiration) that work on the MORAL issues of the day.
It’s FRAMING THE ISSUE.
Avoiding having a Baptist preacher as a major face of the party is necessary.
Sounds like she has gone over to the “Dark Side”.
With the exception of some Catholics who flopped to the Dims again as they did for Clinton, she is dissing the one group that DID show up this time.
I may be looking at this stuff in a skewed way but, according to the analysis, didn’t McCain lose because conservative and religious-oids stayed home? So those spouting a move to the left and tuning out moral issues really don’t have the party’s best interest in mind. And if conservative Repubs or whoever don’t stand up for morality, who will? I read that everyone on both sides of the political spectrum consider themselves “pro-family” - oh really? Take a look at the gay protests - for all the religious folk bashing that’s going on there, Parker and even Goldberg could well join the crowd!
i’d rather be a GOD conservative, low-brow and a real person than a liberal RINO Elitist Republican anyday. (and I am sure most in the party would).
"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--"
You are correct...more and more people view ANY Republican as part of the Christian Coalition. There are many that are concerned about entrusting the Country to the far right intolerant religious fringe. They’ve painted the whole Party with that brush and made it hard for voteres to get by that image.
The Judeo-Christian (Old/New Testament) morality on which our culture is based is the only one for which our (intended) system of governance will work.
Huckabee made the mistake of seeing that being more Liberal seemed to be working for McCain and copied it. Romney figured there were enough Liberals, so he would act Conservative. Giuliani, who knows what he was thinking? There were good reasons why Huckabee was a real favorite on FR until this election. As with the rest of the GOP team this year, he “played to the perceived crowd” rather than being genuine. The only two genuine candidates on the GOP side got 1% and ignored, or painted as lazy and inconsequential.
The fact is that Demcrats mostly treat politics AS their religion while Republicans in general trend do not.
This makes Democrats susceptible to charasmatic totalitarian government, as Jonah Goldberg has written in his book:
Liberal Fascism, The Secret History of AMerica's Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning.
Republicans need to stop equating their party with the Religious Right, which is a horrid Dem trap, and our relgious brothers and sisters in the Republican party need to [place their evangelism inside of their communities and refrain from insisting that the party be a religious platform, rather than a values platform.
The Republican Party hosts a vast spectrum of religions, but only a small cadre within it are vocal political evangelists. I respect their beliefs but not their manifestation particularly, for it tars the whole Republican party as a bunch of cross eyed wing nuts , when nothing could be further from the truth.
So I agree with Jonah, and the cost hr delineates is having the party marginalized at a time when it needs strength to compete against an emerging totalitarian America.
God , you will find, is on both sides of politics, whether we might like that or not. He just manifests differently on those two sides.
We need to fight for our common conservative values based on our wide religious base, we do not need to fight for any one religion. Fighting for any one religion means the death of the Republican Party.
“curious that people talk this way when stats show that the problem with the republicans was not that obama brought out significantly more democrats but rather that McCain inspired significantly fewer republicans to vote.”
Exactly, I know quite a few people who vote Republican and only Republican who would not vote for McCain regardless of the fact that they loved Sarah.
That is the tactic I am trying.
“God , you will find, is on both sides of politics, whether we might like that or not.”
I respectfully disagree. Liberalism is Godless.
I do, however, believe we need to be quiet about religion, and, where possible come at things from a moral, but secular, basis.
If he had not put Palin (or a similarly authentic, conservative 9from what I could tell) figure) on the ticket, I would have voted third party.
McCain ran an awful campaign. As someone else here said, I’m sorry Obama won, but I’m glad McCain lost.
Amen! If the people want to side with the democrats because we love God let them. There are certain fouindational pillars that I won't ever give up. I will not abandon my religion to win converts to my party.
I can agree with Kathleen Parker about only one thing: I wish to gracious our wonderful Sarah would stop saying, “I’m like” when she means “I said.” Please, Sarah.
My goodness. The US postal service must have lost my invitation to the NRO cruise and those enlightening upcoming seasonal Heritage Foundation and RNC cocktail parties (though they have my email address to solicit donations)
So however can little low (uni) brow me be expected to hear the “truth” being whispered by intelligentsia of “my” party?
I will have to stay home rocking the cradle, stirring the fire, and ironing my familys' armbands for Sunday revival services, and generally by my very existence, causing the discrete small-r “republicans” to lament the Walmart plastic picket fences and tacky holiday manger scenes now marring their shining city on a hill.
>> There are certain fouindational pillars that I won’t ever give up. I will not abandon my religion to win converts to my party.
As Reagan noted in his 1975 CPAC speech ...
“A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency, or simply to swell its numbers. [...] And if there are those who cannot subscribe to these principles, then let them go their way.”
I agree with Ms. Parker on occasion, and greatly enjoyed “Save the Males” ... but perhaps it is time to let her go her own way.
As it turns out McCain did as well as he did because of Palin and the "lowbrow" base. And I think Kathleen Parker knows this and is scared out of her $100 panties.
Now Kathleen Parker will get one or two really hateful emails and whine and pout and tell us she got "hundreds, if not thousands like this."
What is more lowbrow than a grown woman having a temper tantrum? I'm sick of this brat.
The Vichy deserve our indifference, even ambivalence, certainly not a platform to snipe at Conservatives.
Very well said.
Kathleen has fallen prey to the common falsehood, "I have not experienced that, therefore nobody has." or, "I have not seen that, therefore nobody has."
The more self-centered a person is, the more he will think in that way.
Millions of Christian converts, beginning perhaps with Saul of Tarsus, could point out the error of her assertion.
Why do the heathen rage?
The problem with Parker is that she is a neophyte in the emerging community of born-again iconoclasts; having come late to the party she failed to see the feller-that-brung-her slip out the door so she dances the empty floor, alone.
"We have no government armed with power capable of contending withshalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai
human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition,
revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only
for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." --October 11, 1798 John Adams
You'd think she'd be able to get big girl panties, for a hundred bucks. Apparently not.
So what’s your take on the Kathleen Parker piece this thread is about?
Another pathetic sideshow from the Big Tent crowd.
Big Tent = clowns, freaks and fresh manure.