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Quit It Kathleen (Parker Excoriates "GOD" Conservatives, Goldberg Blasts Back)
National Review's The Corner ^ | 11-19-08 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on 11/19/2008 7:55:57 AM PST by TitansAFC

Edited on 11/19/2008 8:02:40 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: mc6809e

“Sure, but I’m starting to think that religious conservatives in the party can’t have it any other way.

They all seem to think the Republican party is their Church. And they’ve now got to kick out the apostates and infidels.”

Yeah, me too...and it makes me sad because it means we can’t unite to defeat the Obama-maniacs.


101 posted on 11/19/2008 9:46:43 AM PST by HappyinAZ
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To: joesbucks
Maybe some of her hyperbole was overly cutting, but she's to a point right. Too many on the right, if hooked to a polygraph and asked the question if they really wanted a theocracy would test positive.

I've spent the majority of my life as an atheist defending Republicans and conservatives against those on the left. I never bought into the idea that Christian conservatives were trying to bring theocracy. It always seemed that they were too often on the defensive to want more that just a fair fight.

But then I come here and read these comments and start to question why I bothered.

102 posted on 11/19/2008 9:51:59 AM PST by mc6809e
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To: mc6809e

They all seem to think the Republican party is their Church. And they’ve now got to kick out the apostates and infidels.

they voted for mccain.


103 posted on 11/19/2008 9:52:36 AM PST by ari-freedom (So this is how Liberty dies... with thunderous applause)
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To: MeanWestTexan

Changing the image means changing the standard bearer of the party who is allowed access by the media consumed by the average American, who is lukewarm in his moral reasoning on a good day.

This is why Sarah Palin had to be destroyed: she had the potential to completely obliterate mainstream perceptions of what sort of person a committed Christian conservative is. She therefore had to be caricatured as some sort of lunatic before she had a chance to speak for herself.

Whether she can now change the caricature imposed upon herself sufficiently to serve as that standard bearer remains to be seen. The damage done to her prospects by the McCain campaign handcuffs in her initial appearances will be difficult to overcome.

But the bottom line is that the mainstream media is going to be a hostile venue for any person committed to traditional morality, whether Jew, Christian or Stoic. Anyone who says the Sexual Revolution was a terrible mistake is going to be portrayed in the least flattering light; it will require a remarkable personality to cut through the dishonest framing.


104 posted on 11/19/2008 9:58:02 AM PST by Philo-Junius (One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.)
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To: TitansAFC

Kathleen Parker can kiss my scapular. I made the mistake of sending her an e-mail in response to one of her earliest anti-conservative columns. I kicked myself the moment I hit send. Responding to her makes her feel like a celebrity and gives her something to brag about at cocktail parties. But if she thinks the Jon Stewarts and Bill Mahers of the world aren’t making complete fun of her behind her back she’s seriously stupid.

She’s on my “Permanently Ignore” list now.


105 posted on 11/19/2008 9:59:29 AM PST by Bookbuck
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To: TitansAFC

Let’s get real here. If the “religious” are liberals, who espouse help for the needy while supporting sexual anarchy and abortion as birth control, then they are good little Christians.

Notice that religious people are never disparaged for being charitable, generous or loving. It is only when they venture into the inviolable territory of sexual restraint through self control and life over death that they deserve reproach.

I would rather live under the bootheel of socialism than give up my religious principles for praise by people like Kathleen Parker.


106 posted on 11/19/2008 10:04:39 AM PST by Jvette
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To: Jvette

we can’t have huckabee, because he wants a nanny state, but Bloomberg, Ahnold and Romney are just fine even though they want an even bigger nanny state.


107 posted on 11/19/2008 10:14:59 AM PST by ari-freedom (So this is how Liberty dies... with thunderous applause)
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To: Jvette
I would rather live under the bootheel of socialism than give up my religious principles for praise by people like Kathleen Parker.

So what you're saying is that you'd rather live in Europe.

108 posted on 11/19/2008 10:15:36 AM PST by mc6809e
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To: mc6809e

I am saying that if sticking to my conservative principles and asking the same of my elected officials means that we lose elections and are forced into socialism, then so be it.

I will not give up merely to “win” elections. I know what is right, I know what is wrong. When I give up what is right, I am cooperating with what is wrong.

Whenever there is compromise between good and evil, evil always wins.


109 posted on 11/19/2008 10:20:41 AM PST by Jvette
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To: ari-freedom

I was not happy with any of our candidates. But, I know enough to realize that no one person is perfectly suitable. I have one first criteria, is the person pro-life? If so, then I can give thought to other positions and weigh them against each other to make a decision. Being pro-abortion automatically disqualifies someone from getting my vote. If both are pro-abortion, I vote for neither.


110 posted on 11/19/2008 10:23:11 AM PST by Jvette
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To: MeanWestTexan
The media portrays Republicans as Bible-thumping luddites.

Well that settles it, we must give up or guns, and quit clutching to our Bibles, then I guess the Media will love us.

I hope this is not needed but just in case.

</ Sarcasm>

111 posted on 11/19/2008 10:25:44 AM PST by itsahoot (We will have world government. Whether by conquest or consent. Looks like that question is answered)
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To: HappyinAZ
There are many that are concerned about entrusting the Country to the far right intolerant religious fringe.

As opposed to this fringe group.

God help us all, from the idiots trying to save the GOP.

112 posted on 11/19/2008 10:30:49 AM PST by itsahoot (We will have world government. Whether by conquest or consent. Looks like that question is answered)
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To: MrB
The Judeo-Christian (Old/New Testament) morality on which our culture is based is the only one for which our (intended) system of governance will work.

Which is exactly why we must fade away. No surprise to those with even a slight familiarity with Bible Prophecy.

113 posted on 11/19/2008 10:32:39 AM PST by itsahoot (We will have world government. Whether by conquest or consent. Looks like that question is answered)
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To: Jvette

I’m also like that but we have to remember that there are more abortions when the economy is bad. We don’t want a Ceausescu situation.


114 posted on 11/19/2008 10:32:39 AM PST by ari-freedom (So this is how Liberty dies... with thunderous applause)
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To: itsahoot

America is not in the Bible. think about that for a minute.


115 posted on 11/19/2008 10:34:24 AM PST by ari-freedom (So this is how Liberty dies... with thunderous applause)
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To: Candor7
Look, our forefathers were very wise in separating their religion from Politics.

Blatantly false, but well accepted in education circles.

Have you read the Founder of this forum's statement of purpose? You should.

116 posted on 11/19/2008 10:35:52 AM PST by itsahoot (We will have world government. Whether by conquest or consent. Looks like that question is answered)
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To: TitansAFC

LOL, that silly twit Parker, who nobody heard of three months ago, just can’t get enough of her “fifteen minutes”, can she?


117 posted on 11/19/2008 10:38:02 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: itsahoot

funny; but not thoughtful rational discourse.

Moral,(yet not necessarily religious) people should be able to agree on a party platform. I think the Republicans have done that. But a “perfect” canidate? I’m dvery doubtfull.

Reagan was not perfect. He signed CA’s abortion law. Based on that alone Freepers would treat him worse than McCain and wouldn’t give his canidacy one thin dime.

So that’s the challange...where do we go from here?


118 posted on 11/19/2008 10:45:52 AM PST by HappyinAZ
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
I think she simply enjoys the persecution and revels in being a “martyr.”

She's probably also basking in the "strange new respect" coming from her colleagues at the WaPo.

119 posted on 11/19/2008 10:47:40 AM PST by Constitutionalist Conservative (ACORN is a criminal enterprise)
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To: TChris
The converse of that is true, as well. I am always shocked, surprised and eventually deeply troubled when I meet people with absolutely no religious sensibilities, i.e., honest-to-God (no pun intended) materialists.

It astounds me that one can live without ever having experienced the transcendent, what a religious person such as myself would call GOD.

120 posted on 11/19/2008 10:48:25 AM PST by Oratam
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