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Conversation cops step in to school students ('Hate Speech' monitors)
theglobeandmail.com ^ | November 19, 2008 | CARLY WEEKS

Posted on 11/19/2008 11:26:34 AM PST by Free ThinkerNY

Your friend's new fuchsia fedora might be hideous. But don't call it gay, or you might get a language lesson from the conversation cops.

Students at Queen's University who sprinkle their dialogue with an assortment of "homo" or "retarded" could find out the hard way that not everyone finds their remarks acceptable.

The Kingston university has hired student facilitators to step in when they overhear homophobic slurs, remarks bashing women or racially tinged insults, along with an array of other language that could be deemed offensive.

That means tête-à-têtes in the residence hallways may no longer be just between friends.

"If people are having a conversation with offensive content and they're doing it loud enough for a third person to hear it ... it's not private," said Jason Laker, dean of student affairs at Queen's.

"If you're doing anything that's interfering with what other people need to be doing, that's not cool."

The initiative, believed to be the first of its kind in Canada, is part of a broader program begun at the school this fall to foster diversity and encourage students to think about their beliefs.

(Excerpt) Read more at theglobeandmail.com ...


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1 posted on 11/19/2008 11:26:34 AM PST by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

the should go re-educate AQ on their mean Obammy remarks.


2 posted on 11/19/2008 11:29:16 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Not directed at you, FreeThinker...

3 posted on 11/19/2008 11:29:25 AM PST by fredhead (If Teddy drove a VW, he would have become President........VW's float.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

What a queer-assed thing to do!


4 posted on 11/19/2008 11:29:40 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Did Canada’s futile battle with Ezra Levant and Mark Steyn teach it anything?

No, apparently not.


5 posted on 11/19/2008 11:29:43 AM PST by agere_contra (So ... where's the birth certificate?)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Those PC fascists deserve a beat down. Seriously.


6 posted on 11/19/2008 11:29:48 AM PST by PeterFinn (Joe Biden for President)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Organized snitches. My guess is that the number of violent encounters in the dorms will now suddenly increase.


7 posted on 11/19/2008 11:30:05 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin is a smart missile aimed at the heart of the left!)
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To: PeterFinn

They’re just trying to pick up the clean end of a turd.


8 posted on 11/19/2008 11:30:35 AM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
"If people are having a conversation with offensive content and they're doing it loud enough for a third person to hear it ... it's not private," said Jason Laker, dean of student affairs at Queen's.

This is tied in to that "Constitutional Right Against Being Offended" that so many seem to know about, but which I cannot find anywhere in the actual document, isn't it?

9 posted on 11/19/2008 11:31:29 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

this is so ray


10 posted on 11/19/2008 11:31:56 AM PST by Republicus2001
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To: metmom; Tired of Taxes; wintertime

“The Kingston university has hired student facilitators to step in when they overhear homophobic slurs, remarks bashing women or racially tinged insults, along with an array of other language that could be deemed offensive.”

The surveillance state makes its grand appearance. You can bet it’s coming to high schools and grade schools before long.


11 posted on 11/19/2008 11:32:05 AM PST by Clintonfatigued (If Islam conquers the world, the Earth will be at peace because the human race will be killed off.)
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To: WayneS

will they still be able to call it Queen’s College?


12 posted on 11/19/2008 11:33:03 AM PST by Republicus2001
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To: Free ThinkerNY

As with the USSR and Nazi Germany free speech is gone. The left is in command again.


13 posted on 11/19/2008 11:33:37 AM PST by YOUGOTIT (The Greatest Threat to our Security is the Royal 100 Club)
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To: Republicus2001

I don’t know... that sounds kind of homo-phobic, don’t you think?

;^)


14 posted on 11/19/2008 11:35:15 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
This will be a wonderful idea until the first time someone not-so-PC really takes offense. Then the Conversation Cops will wind up with their head in a toilet and the back of their underwear pulled up around their neck.

There was a kid in my dorm who would fit the "Conversation Cop" stereotype to a T. Couple of football players got tired of his BS and hung him over the side of the roof by his ankles until he completed a couple of stanzas of the school fight song. End of problem.

15 posted on 11/19/2008 11:35:55 AM PST by wbill
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To: Free ThinkerNY
So, calling a homosexual a homosexual is offensive?

These "people" have some real issues.

16 posted on 11/19/2008 11:37:33 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron (When homo's can procreate - then they can get married)
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To: WayneS

Why is it called “Homo Phobic” anyhow? It always seems like it’s the Homo’s that are the “Phobic” ones.


17 posted on 11/19/2008 11:39:56 AM PST by bitterohiogunclinger (America held hostage - day 15)
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To: bitterohiogunclinger

I know what you mean.

I’m not AFRAID of homosexuals, I simply do not approve of their choice in sexual practices.


18 posted on 11/19/2008 11:43:11 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

The obvious question is why anybody would send their kids to these places.


19 posted on 11/19/2008 11:43:23 AM PST by henkster (It's time for a conservative "long march through the institutions.")
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To: Free ThinkerNY
"She said that facilitators who haven't been trained properly could end up reinforcing defense mechanisms of privileged students.

" And if I resent the term “privileged” to describe me? Privileged in this sense is code for white male. No need to determine my economic history or how many of my ancestors died in concentration camps, or what jobs I have been passed over for in favor of some “disadvantaged” peer. By definition I would say this place is a hostile environment for me and I should avoid it. Which of course at my age I will but rest assured I am very careful where I send my kids to college and you can bet I take into account where job applicants went to school. In fact a college diploma rapidly is losing its status in hiring decisions. engineering degrees excepted. A liberal arts degree is a negative in my book. But these academic institutions like Queens University (can I say Queens?)are not interested in preparing students for work as much as changing society.

20 posted on 11/19/2008 11:44:00 AM PST by dblshot
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To: dblshot

I doubt they would actually want to work. They want to
engage, or create, or some other activity that won’t
get hands dirty or work up sweat, or actually produce
something of value.


21 posted on 11/19/2008 11:53:43 AM PST by jusduat (wondering,questioning,searching)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Future Capos.

The spy branch of Obama’s Gestap . . . Civilian Security Force.


22 posted on 11/19/2008 12:00:28 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Beware of Obama's Reichstag Fire; Don't permit him to seize emergency powers.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Spies for the thought gestapo.


23 posted on 11/19/2008 12:06:05 PM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (liberalism = serious mental deficiency)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

There are certain words I find offensive, and I don’t use them. My children don’t use them. But, private conversations should remain private.

That said, once I overheard people using offensive terms against me and my husband and children, and I confronted them personally. Then I just stopped associating with them.

But, appointed spies to monitor private conversations at a university? No thanks.

Just think, as the U.S. continues its slide, we’ll have nowhere to escape for freedom. Certainly not Canada.


24 posted on 11/19/2008 12:24:35 PM PST by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: Clintonfatigued; DaveLoneRanger; 2Jedismom; aberaussie; Aggie Mama; agrace; Anima Mundi; ...

Just FYI, since it doesn’t affect the decision to homeschool.

I do see it in the cards for high schools before long.


25 posted on 11/19/2008 2:21:27 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

“If you’re doing anything that’s interfering with what other people need to be doing, that’s not cool.”

Does that include ease dropping on other peoples conversations in order to censor them?


26 posted on 11/19/2008 3:00:05 PM PST by N3WBI3 (Ah, arrogance and stupidity all in the same package. How efficient of you. -- Londo Mollari)
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To: N3WBI3

The globe and mail grossly misrepresented the program at hand here. It’s unfortunate that a well-researched and innovative program is being immediately rejected by the Queen’s community. I can understand that the idea of a stranger jumping into a conversation to lecture students on inclusionary practices sounds incredibly unrealistic, not to mention inappropriate, however I believe that it is inappropriate in a way for individuals who are not harshly affected by issues of discrimination to dismiss attempts to reduce it on campus. One of the most important components to modern racial theory is that you cannot fully understand the power of discrimination until you experience it first-hand.

The program is actually far less intrusive than as implied by the article, and is based on a University of Michigan initiative that was very effective when implemented. The program is less concerned with intruding on people’s conversations, and much more interested in sparking productive conversation and discussion regarding issues of discrimination. It also offers a focus on inter-group dynamics and encouraging people to question their beliefs, which inevitably brings about change.


27 posted on 11/19/2008 6:21:12 PM PST by 268750c
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To: 268750c

“I can understand that the idea of a stranger jumping into a conversation to lecture students on inclusionary practices sounds incredibly unrealistic, not to mention inappropriate, however I believe that it is inappropriate in a way for individuals who are not harshly affected by issues of discrimination to dismiss attempts to reduce it on campus.”

Right so straight people should not be involved in this program then, after all if you are straight you are not harshly affected by these ‘issues of discrimination’. When people freedom to express themselves is stepped on everyone, everywhere should object, expression is the second most fundamental freedom.

“One of the most important components to modern racial theory is that you cannot fully understand the power of discrimination until you experience it first-hand.”

The problem is this attempt to end ‘discrimination’ is in fact discriminating against others. I should be able to utter a racial or sexual slur in the college environment without some administrative appointed crony swooping down into rescuce the human race. I find such language offensive and counter productive but I find the right to use it key to any true exchange of ideas.

“The program is less concerned with intruding on people’s conversations, and much more interested in sparking productive conversation and discussion regarding issues of discrimination.”

It accomplishes this *BY INTRUDING ON PEOPLES CONVERSATIONS* how you can think this is not intimidation is beyond me. These are as close to thought police as you can get. If you want to have the beginning of the year dorm meeting to discuss these issues that is one thing but for the language gestapo to be trolling the halls looking for an opportunity to put bigots in their place you are just making some speech more equal than other speech (something very Orwellian about that).

“It also offers a focus on inter-group dynamics and encouraging people to question their beliefs, which inevitably brings about change.”

So you admit the goal is not to teach tolerance but to change peoples beliefs. I’m sorry that’s not the college administrations job. If a group of students who have no official standing want to run around and do that I’m all for it but when these brown shirts run around they are doing so with the authority of the university.


28 posted on 11/19/2008 10:49:08 PM PST by N3WBI3 (Ah, arrogance and stupidity all in the same package. How efficient of you. -- Londo Mollari)
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