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Somali pirates transform villages into boomtowns
Associated Press ^ | 19 November 2008 | Mohamed Olad Hassan

Posted on 11/19/2008 3:03:26 PM PST by Lorianne

MOGADISHU, Somalia - Somalia's increasingly brazen pirates are building sprawling stone houses, cruising in luxury cars, marrying beautiful women - even hiring caterers to prepare Western-style food for their hostages.

And in an impoverished country where every public institution has crumbled, they have become heroes in the steamy coastal dens they operate from because they are the only real business in town.

"The pirates depend on us, and we benefit from them," said Sahra Sheik Dahir, a shop owner in Haradhere, the nearest village to where a hijacked Saudi Arabian supertanker carrying $100 million in crude was anchored Wednesday.

These boomtowns are all the more shocking in light of Somalia's violence and poverty: Radical Islamists control most of the country's south, meting out lashings and stonings for accused criminals. There has been no effective central government in nearly 20 years, plunging this arid African country into chaos.

Life expectancy is just 46 years; a quarter of children die before they reach 5.

But in northern coastal towns like Haradhere, Eyl and Bossaso, the pirate economy is thriving thanks to the money pouring in from pirate ransoms that have reached $30 million this year alone.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: africa; islam; maritime; piracy; pirates; somalia; somalipirates; thomasjefferson
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1 posted on 11/19/2008 3:03:28 PM PST by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne

Kill them.


2 posted on 11/19/2008 3:05:50 PM PST by Williams (It's The Policies, Stupid.)
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To: Lorianne

northern coastal towns like Haradhere, Eyl and Bossaso should be only sand and glass now.


3 posted on 11/19/2008 3:05:54 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Lorianne

Start blowing up their fun houses and give them no place to spend their money.


4 posted on 11/19/2008 3:06:15 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Lorianne

Then again, they’re just more advanced democrats.


5 posted on 11/19/2008 3:06:31 PM PST by Williams (It's The Policies, Stupid.)
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To: Lorianne
Allow no boats to leave or arrive locally exist 24/7/365.25/20 and they'll become disabused of the Jihadi Pirate inclinations for a generation or two.
6 posted on 11/19/2008 3:06:37 PM PST by Paladin2 (No, pundits strongly believe that the proper solution is more dilution.)
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To: Lorianne

Somebody will have to grind that country into paste at some point.


7 posted on 11/19/2008 3:09:10 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: Lorianne

The average life expectancy of a Somali is going to get a lot shorter if they continue to harbor pirates.


8 posted on 11/19/2008 3:09:25 PM PST by usmcobra (Go ask Obama for your change, and don't bug me!)
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To: Lorianne

A pirate town. Another one. Three hundred years after Port Royal. Human nature is a constant.


9 posted on 11/19/2008 3:09:52 PM PST by Jacquerie (Democrats - Orwell's Children)
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To: A CA Guy

Then they’d really be “boom” towns!


10 posted on 11/19/2008 3:10:29 PM PST by reformed_dem (I voted for Sarah)
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To: Lorianne

The longer this is permitted to go on, the worse things will get. The time to act is NOW.


11 posted on 11/19/2008 3:10:43 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Lorianne

Coastal shelling seems in order.


12 posted on 11/19/2008 3:11:12 PM PST by Tarpon (America's first principles, freedom, liberty, market economy and self-reliance will never fail.)
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To: Lorianne

It’s the ransom, stupid.


13 posted on 11/19/2008 3:11:25 PM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: Williams

I think we should start dumping the idiot anarchists from this country in Somalia. Give them what they want and show them the beauty of anarchy.


14 posted on 11/19/2008 3:13:26 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: Williams

“Then again, they’re just more advanced democrats.”

Heh!


15 posted on 11/19/2008 3:13:33 PM PST by bukkdems (Jihad is a ruse that culls men, to smooth the way for Muslim polygamy.)
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To: Williams
Kill them.

Amen.

16 posted on 11/19/2008 3:13:49 PM PST by realdifferent1 ("If you saw Atlas,...what would you tell him to do?"... "To shrug.")
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To: Lorianne

“Dead Men Spend No Cash”


17 posted on 11/19/2008 3:14:00 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Lorianne

When will the world deal with this?


18 posted on 11/19/2008 3:14:00 PM PST by realcleanguy
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To: reformed_dem

Great Point!

VERY VERY GOOD


19 posted on 11/19/2008 3:14:42 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: happinesswithoutpeace
When the Founding Fathers Faced Islamists

"Back in 1784, John Adams and Thomas Jefferson had to decide whether to appease or stand up to armed Middle Eastern pirates. Sound familiar?

.... The Middle East, a term coined by Alfred Thayer Mahan, one of McCain’s boyhood idols, is where both American warfare and American diplomacy began in the late 18th century, as our infant republic faced its first post-Revolutionary struggle against the evocatively named Barbary States of the Ottoman Empire.

The regencies of Tripoli, Tunis, and Algiers (future homes of Muammar Qaddafi, Yasser Arafat, and the Islamic Salvation Front, respectively) had been hosting and sponsoring Islamic piracy since the Middle Ages. Scimitar-wielding corsairs would regularly interrupt the flow of trade and traffic along the coasts of North Africa, seizing European vessels and taking their crews into bondage. Cervantes wrote his first play, in the 16th century, about the dread corsairs, and by the 18th, the American colonies had a minor seagoing presence in the Mediterranean protected by the redoubtable British Navy. But the Crown was reluctant to war against so petty an antagonist, preferring to pay “tribute” to the Barbary States instead, as a shopkeeper would protection money to the mafia. After the U.S. broke away from England and became its own nation, however, the geopolitical dynamics changed, as did the American equanimity with doing business with pirates.

In 1784, corsairs attacked the Betsy, a 300-ton brig that had sailed from Boston to Tenerife Island, about 100 miles off the North African coast, selling her new-made citizens as chattel on the markets of Morocco. The U.S. was not free of its own moral taint of slavery, of course, but it would be impossible to hasten the industrial development that would eventually render the agrarian-plantation economy obsolete if merchant ships could not be assured of safe conduct near the Turkish Porte. Other vessels, such as the Dauphin and Maria, were also seized, this time by Algiers, and the horrifying experiences of their captive passengers relayed back home were the cause for outrage. James Leander Cathcart described the dungeon in which he was being kept as “perfectly dark…where the slaves sleep four tiers deep…many nearly naked, and few with anything more than an old tattered blanket to cover them in the depth of winter.”

In response, Thomas Jefferson, then the Minister to France, suggested a multilateral approach of what we would now term “deterrence.” He asked that Spain, Portugal, Naples, Denmark, Sweden and France enter into a coalition with America to dissuade the regencies from their criminal assaults on life, liberty and the pursuit of international commerce. As Michael Oren, in his magisterial history Power, Faith, and Fantasy: America in the Middle East: 1776 to Present relates, “By deterring, rather than appeasing, Barbary, the United States would preserve its economy and send an unambiguous message to potentially hostile powers.” Jefferson thought it would impress Europe if America could do what Europe had failed to do for centuries and beat back the persistent thuggery of Islamists. “It will procure us respect,” said the author of the Declaration of Independence. “And respect is a safeguard to interest.”

This sober judgment fused the cold calculations of latter-day “realism” with the morality behind revolutionary interventionism: not only would America protect its citizens from plunder and foreign slaveholding; it would ensure that other countries under “Christendom” were similarly protected.

Though Jefferson found a stalwart Continental ally in a former one, the Marquis de Lafayette, France squelched the idea of a NATO made of buckshot and cannon. While waiting for funds that would never come from Congress for the construction of a 150-gun navy, the sage of Monticello resigned himself to further diplomacy with the enemy. In 1785, he dispatched John Lamb, a Connecticut businessman, to secure the release of hostages in Algiers, held by its dynastic sovereign Hassan Dey. Lamb failed ignominiously.

At the same time, John Adams, then minister to England, agreed to receive the pasha of Tripoli, ‘Abd al-Rahman al-Ajar, in his London quarters to discuss a possible peace deal. Adams described his interlocutor as a man who looked all “pestilence and war,” a suspicion that was soon confirmed by the pasha’s demand of 30,000 guineas for his statelet, plus a 3,000 guinea gratuity for himself. He also did Adams the favor of estimating what it would cost the U.S. to broker a similar deal with Tunis, Morocco and Algiers — the total price for blackmail would be about $1 million, or a tenth the annual budget of the United States.

Adams was incensed. “It would be more proper to write [of his meeting with ‘Abd al-Rahman] for the… New York Theatre,” he thundered. He agreed with Jefferson that a military response was increasingly likely, but Adams doubted his country’s economic ability to sustain it. For the short term, he thought it better to offer “one Gift of two hundred Thousand Pounds” rather than forfeit “a Million annually” in trade revenue, which the pirates were sure to disrupt. Not long thereafter, Jefferson joined him in London to prevent the “universal and horrible War” and reach an accord with the refractory envoy from Tripoli. Both gentlemen of the Enlightenment, and comrades in revolution, affirmed America’s desire for peace, its respect for all nations, and suggested a treaty of lasting friendship with the regency. ‘Abd al-Rahman listened well, but his reply was one that would shock modern ears less than it did those of the two Founding Fathers:

“It was… written in the Koran, that all Nations who should not have acknowledged [the Muslims’] authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon wheoever they could find and to make Slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.”

Though a period of paying tribute and douceurs (or “softeners” — expensive trickets and toys) to Islamic pirates would continue, the words of ‘Abd al-Rahman Adams were chilling enough to leave Adams and Jefferson in no doubt as to the sanguinary and messianic nature of their adversary. “An angel sent on this business,” lamented Jefferson, “could have done nothing” to placate such men. He called them “sea dogs” and a “pettifogging nest of robbers.” The episode preceded further acts of piracy against American vessels and the imprisonment and sale of its crews and passengers, and was enough to get Jefferson to overlook his wariness of federalism and agree to a Constitution with a strong central government capable of building and keeping a powerful navy. Adams, as it turned out, was more worried that American opinion wouldn’t rally for war, or accept its dire consequences. But the Philadelphia convention that drafted our national covenant in 1787 was hastened, and its welter of opinions unified, by the Barbary question. As the historian Thomas Bailey wrote, “In an indirect sense, the brutal Dey of Algiers was a Founding Father of the Constitution.”

Barbary Pirates torture western prisoners

America still sued for peace. The Betsy’s release had been negotiated, albeit abjectly, and to the accompaniment of America’s first diplomatic accord, the Treaty of Peace, Friendship and Ship-Signals, signed with Morocco in 1786. But no sooner was the ship let go and its captives freed than it was recaptured by Tunis and renamed the Mashuda. Also, Washington at one point found itself spending 20% of its annual revenue in paying blackmail to a loose confederation of terrorists on the high seas. Under Jefferson’s presidency, the first era of American military predominance was inaugurated, with men like William Bainbridge, William Eaton and the Byronic swashbuckler Stephen Decatur, becoming folk heroes.

....Santayana got it backwards, in fact: even those who remember history are still doomed to repeat it."

Gerard W. Gawalt:

"Paying the ransom would only lead to further demands, Jefferson argued in letters to future presidents John Adams,
then America’s minister to Great Britain, and James Monroe, then a member of Congress.

As Jefferson wrote to Adams in a July 11, 1786, letter, “I acknolege [sic] I very early thought it would be best to effect a peace thro’ the medium of war.”
Paying tribute will merely invite more demands, and even if a coalition proves workable, the only solution is a strong navy that can reach the pirates,
Jefferson argued in an August 18, 1786, letter to James Monroe: “The states must see the rod; perhaps it must be felt by some one of them. . . .
Every national citizen must wish to see an effective instrument of coercion, and should fear to see it on any other element than the water.
A naval force can never endanger our liberties, nor occasion bloodshed; a land force would do both.”
“From what I learn from the temper of my countrymen and their tenaciousness of their money,”
Jefferson added in a December 26, 1786, letter to the president of Yale College, Ezra Stiles,
“it will be more easy to raise ships and men to fight these pirates into reason, than money to bribe them.”

20 posted on 11/19/2008 3:15:03 PM PST by Diogenesis
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To: Lorianne

I think this is a job for some 52’s, make some examples of the fruits of piracy. The other villages will get the message.


21 posted on 11/19/2008 3:16:01 PM PST by jonathan-swift2000 (The Good news from Iraq the MSM won't publish.)
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To: Lorianne

I wish they’d stop calling them pirates. They’re just Democrats without the Haavad sheepskin.


22 posted on 11/19/2008 3:16:32 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: Lorianne

Skinny is taking boats?

Time for Skinny to die.


23 posted on 11/19/2008 3:16:41 PM PST by Mr. Jazzy (Happy 233rd Birthday, USMC!!!)
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To: Lorianne
This is what needs to happen to those villages.
24 posted on 11/19/2008 3:17:52 PM PST by Bon mots
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To: Lorianne

I assume these towns are on a map. Remove them from the map.


25 posted on 11/19/2008 3:18:01 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Drill Here. Drill Now. Pay Less.)
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To: Williams
"Kill them."

And then kill the next one....and then the next one...and then...

26 posted on 11/19/2008 3:20:37 PM PST by VaBthang4 ("He Who Watches Over Israel Will Neither Slumber Nor Sleep")
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To: Lorianne
I continue to try to keep an open mind, but my loathing for the Muslim mindset continues to accelerate. Islam is as un-American as it gets. These extremists and their philosophy are unworthy of inclusion in the American experience. Piracy and Mombasa are where they belong.

Kudos to the Indian Navy for blasting to hell one of these barges of worthless human debris.

28 posted on 11/19/2008 3:21:50 PM PST by yooper (If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there......)
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To: Lorianne

Bomb the towns, duh?


29 posted on 11/19/2008 3:22:15 PM PST by FightThePower! (Fight the powers that be!)
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To: Williams

Kill them.

not going to happen.


30 posted on 11/19/2008 3:22:33 PM PST by ari-freedom (So this is how Liberty dies... with thunderous applause)
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To: Lorianne

When you don’t finish a job it always comes back to haunt you.

We should have nuked this muslim cesspit and turned it to glass back in ‘93 and we wouldn’t be having problems today.

Not to mention all of the arrogant Somalis that subsequently came to the US and are now living on welfare while they spend their time trying to force Islam on us.


31 posted on 11/19/2008 3:28:00 PM PST by Iron Munro (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself)
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To: Lorianne

They just said on Special Report w/Britt Hume that the Brits don’t know what to do with the eight pirates they captured.

I’m sure there’s quite a few folks here who remember what the Chief of Police in LA had to say with regards to the rash of hijacked aircraft back in the ‘70’s:

“Hang ‘em. Hang ‘em at the airport.”


32 posted on 11/19/2008 3:29:37 PM PST by onehipdad (A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.)
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To: Lorianne

Sounds like AP-O is pro-pirate and anti-US, as usual.


33 posted on 11/19/2008 3:29:44 PM PST by Old Sarge (For the first time in my life, I am ashamed to be an American)
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To: Lorianne

Hey, these guys are organizing the community and spreading the wealth around, what’s the problem?


34 posted on 11/19/2008 3:35:13 PM PST by Argus (Stuff Compassionate and Maverick - just try plain old CONSERVATISM again)
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To: Diogenesis

Bump w/thanks, Dio...


35 posted on 11/19/2008 3:36:51 PM PST by eureka! (Hey mushy middle: Who is Barrack 0bama? Wait until you learn the answer. It's not pretty.)
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To: Lorianne

Can you say “collateral damage”? I knew you could!

Help the terrorist, die with the terrorist. Help the pirate, die with the pirate!


36 posted on 11/19/2008 3:38:55 PM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: Lorianne

Where is a ship of the line when you need one? Just one battlecruiser would clarify matters in a day.


37 posted on 11/19/2008 3:39:33 PM PST by RightWhale (Exxon Suxx)
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To: Iron Munro

Well it’s a good thing we had that exit strategy back in 93. Other wise, we still be there!

Another awesome decision by the Clintonians...


38 posted on 11/19/2008 3:40:27 PM PST by cups
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To: Lorianne

“Somalia’s increasingly brazen pirates”

The Somalia pirates are no different then Marxist/Socialists the world over.

The use the threat of force or force to tax the evil rich.

The left should be cheering these guys.

They are no different than our own IRS.


39 posted on 11/19/2008 3:41:16 PM PST by stockpirate (United Socialist States of America - USSA. - Slaves to our Socialist masters.)
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To: Lorianne

Conservative Seattle radio host Kirby Wiolbur discussed this just this morning on his radio program. He had a an expert on his show. The expert (who’s name escapes me) mentioned that the shipping companies usually just pay the ransom and don’t even report it.

The reason is that their insurance rates will go up if they report it. In their eyes, it’s better to pay a million bucks on a 100-million dollar cargo. Plus, the investigation could tie up the ship in a port for weeks, thereby taking it out of money-making service until the investigation is done.

That’s why most companies never mention it. The fact that a ULCC got taken really put it in the spotlight.


40 posted on 11/19/2008 3:41:18 PM PST by hoagy62 (PAGF Charter member)
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To: Lorianne

Would it not be cheaper to put some 50 cals along the deck and man them?


41 posted on 11/19/2008 3:50:53 PM PST by manic4organic (We Are S0 Screwed)
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To: manic4organic

Completely illegal. Only criminals can have guns.


42 posted on 11/19/2008 3:52:16 PM PST by Travis T. OJustice (Change is not a destination, just as hope is not a strategy.)
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To: Lorianne

Time to make a big BOOM over their “boomtowns”...


43 posted on 11/19/2008 3:53:40 PM PST by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: Lorianne

“Somalia’s increasingly brazen pirates are building sprawling stone houses, cruising in luxury cars, marrying beautiful women”

Yah, I’ll bet there are some real babes in Somalia!!!!


44 posted on 11/19/2008 4:00:02 PM PST by utax
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To: hoagy62

One other thing I forgot to mention: jurisdiction.

Once you’re beyond th 12-mile territorial boundary, no one has jurisdiction in punishing the pirates. No one knows where to take them or what to do with them.


45 posted on 11/19/2008 4:03:31 PM PST by hoagy62 (PAGF Charter member)
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To: utax
Yah, I’ll bet there are some real babes in Somalia!!!!

Actually, there are some pretty Somali women. But when you just got yourself a $mil, you can import some Eastern European sex slaves.

46 posted on 11/19/2008 4:04:42 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (Question O-thority)
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To: RightWhale
Where is a ship of the line when you need one? Just one battlecruiser would clarify matters in a day.

No kidding. It seems a terrible waste to use the Iowa-class ships as museums. This sort of mission calls for some old-school shore bombardment, nine-gun broadside style.

47 posted on 11/19/2008 4:04:59 PM PST by Charles Martel (Liberals are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: Lorianne
Someone said "beautiful Somali women." Rules are rules. And in this case, politically "right" too!


48 posted on 11/19/2008 4:06:04 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (SARAH *** JOE *** 2012!)
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To: hoagy62
Once you’re beyond th 12-mile territorial boundary, no one has jurisdiction in punishing the pirates. No one knows where to take them or what to do with them.

And if a Navy ship just blows the pirates out of the water, the Navy captain is now a war criminal.

49 posted on 11/19/2008 4:06:20 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (Question O-thority)
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To: Charles Martel
No kidding. It seems a terrible waste to use the Iowa-class ships as museums. This sort of mission calls for some old-school shore bombardment, nine-gun broadside style.

Hell, a dinky little destroyer's single big gun would be enough to reduce these villages to rubble. It's not the firepower, it's the will to USE the firepower.

50 posted on 11/19/2008 4:08:27 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (Question O-thority)
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