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Barney Frank: Big 3 Will Need Lots More Money (admits it may run into "HUNDREDS of billions")
RedState.com ^ | 11/19/08 | Brian Faughnan

Posted on 11/19/2008 3:38:00 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

NPR's Morning Edition featured a very interesting interview with Chairman Barney Frank this morning. In it he asserted that the $25 billion that the Big 3 is now seeking is definitely not enough to keep the companies going, and it will be followed by tens of billions more if the companies come up with a 'plan' that seems promising. Although if you listen to the interview, he gets awfully agitated at the NPR host for trying to hone in on this point:

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Steve Inskeep: I want to ask you about something mentioned in that report from an economist from the University of Maryland. What makes you think the $25 billion would even be enough?

Rep. Barney Frank: We don't think it would be enough. The way we have this structured, they will get $25 billion if the bill passes, with a lot of conditions. No dividends can be paid, no bonuses for people over $200,000, and some other things. But they would have to prepare and file by March 31 a plan that shows how they plan to get much more efficient and to get cars that can be marketed.

But let me ask you about the first thing you said, Congressman, because you said you don't think $25 billion is enough.

Right, I'm trying to explain to you how it works.

OK.

They get $25 billion — the federal government would be in the first position to be repaid. We will come ahead of the debt holders, the shareholders, etc. They file this plan on March 31. If, on March 31, the president does not believe that this is going to get them the viability with energy efficiency cars, they have to repay the loan; they get no more money. If they can show by March 31 a plausible way to go forward, then we would consider giving more money, again, under equally stringent conditions.

So this could be $50 billion, $75 billion, $100 billion?

Well, [insurance company] AIG, which I don't think anyone would think was as important to the American economy as the auto industry ... got $40 billion just now to make it up over $100 billion. To some extent, let's not have a white-collar/blue-collar bias in our public policy. You know, those who say, hey, go bankrupt so you can cut back on what the unions have won — the unions have already made some concessions. But, you know, we've had enough anti-union activity, and enough increase in income inequality in this country. I don't want to set a precedent that bankruptcy now is a way in which you undo what gains unions have been able to hold on to.

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Notice Frank is already retreating from a debate on the merits of the proposal. For him, a decision on whether or not to bail out the automakers is really a decision on whether unions are good things. And of course, given the information that Rob Bluey provides about average wages for unionized auto workers, it's easy to see that the competitiveness of the Big 3 is not helped by the UAW.

Beyond that, is Frank willing to speak honestly about his plan for hundreds of billions in taxpayer money? How much is he willing to spend? And what does he expect the Big 3 'plan' to look like, in order to convince him to loosen the purse strings. Lastly, he should stop pretending that the automakers will pay back the first $25 billion in April if their plans are found wanting. That money will be spent relatively quickly, and if more federal dollars are not forthcoming, the Big 3 won't have any revenue with which to pay back.

On a related note, let's remember that the real reason for all this bailout talk is that Democrats in Washington want to run a car company. They believe the team in Detroit failed at the job, and they want to take a shot themselves. If you have any doubt of that, look at Frank's bill:

• Long-Term Restructuring Plan – Not later than 3/31/09, loan recipients must submit to Treasury acceptable restructuring plan for long-term viability and international competitiveness, including fuel efficiency standards and advanced technology vehicle manufacturing, rationalization of costs, and proposals for restructuring existing debt.

• Oversight Board The Financial Stability Oversight Board (Oversight Board) established under EESA will provide oversight of the loan program, and will have four additional members for purposes of the loan program (Secretaries of Energy, Labor and Transportation and the EPA Administrator) in addition to the five existing members (Fed Chairman, Treasury Secretary, FHFA Director, SEC Chairman, and HUD Secretary).

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• Warrants – Treasury must obtain warrants from each loan recipient (or economic equivalent in the case of a privately held firm) equal to 20% of the loan or such greater percentage as may be determined by Treasury in consultation with the Oversight Board.

• Executive Compensation and Corporate Governance – All executive compensation restrictions from EESA apply to loan recipients for the duration of the loan plus the following additional restrictions: no bonuses to employees making more than $200,000 (which Treasury will adjust for inflation). no golden parachutes under any circumstances. no compensation plan that could encourage manipulation of reported earnings to enhance compensation.

• Ability to Prohibit Transactions, Oversight of Financial Condition – For duration of the loan, Treasury in consultation with the Oversight Board will have the authority to review and prohibit any asset sale, investment, contract, or commitment proposed to be entered into by the recipient valued in excess of $25 million.

So Barney Frank's plan is for the federal government to acquire a stake in the car companies, approve their operating plans going forward, and to have veto power over any business decision costing more than $25 million. He might as well appoint himself CEO.

The management in Detroit has not done a great job. Do you think Barney Frank and Barack Obama's Cabinet are likely to do better? Because Barney Frank's plan is to switch the latter for the former -- with the taxpayer donating untold billions for the privilege to make the switch.

Bankruptcy sounds better by the day.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: 110th; automakers; bailout; bailouts; barneyfrank; blarneyfrank; democrat; democrats; detroit; frank; freestuff; spreadingthewealth
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1 posted on 11/19/2008 3:38:00 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

The market cap for all three is under 7 billion. This is ridiculous.


2 posted on 11/19/2008 3:39:11 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Mr. Silverback; Allegra; AuntB; Tennessee Nana; rabscuttle385; hiredhand; Grunthor; Gilbo_3; ...

Ping.


3 posted on 11/19/2008 3:39:23 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (G-d watch over and protect Sarah Palin and her family.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Better lube those money printing presses.


4 posted on 11/19/2008 3:40:06 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham ("The land of the Free...Because of the Brave")
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Shows what happens when you put those who cause in charge of the fix ... She’s a runaway, Jim.


5 posted on 11/19/2008 3:40:39 PM PST by Tarpon (America's first principles, freedom, liberty, market economy and self-reliance will never fail.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Why doesn’t Barney Frank raise money for the auto industry by running a gay prostitution ring out of his house.


6 posted on 11/19/2008 3:41:01 PM PST by exist
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
So this could be $50 billion, $75 billion, $100 billion?

We hold the world ransom for...100 billion dollars!
7 posted on 11/19/2008 3:41:31 PM PST by ari-freedom (So this is how Liberty dies... with thunderous applause)
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To: calcowgirl; Liz; PJ-Comix

Ping.


8 posted on 11/19/2008 3:42:13 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (G-d watch over and protect Sarah Palin and her family.)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

“Better lube those money printing presses”

Better lube a certain part of your anatomy!


9 posted on 11/19/2008 3:42:36 PM PST by dynachrome (Obama yunikku khinaaziir)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Barney Frank is a totally dishonest hack, and regardless of what one thinks of the merits of any particular proposal it is a nightmare that scumbags like Barney Frank are in the midst of such matters. As though the sub-prime meltdown was not enough trouble for Barney and friends to cause.....


10 posted on 11/19/2008 3:42:50 PM PST by Enchante (Thanks, Mediascum, you "elected" your candidate and now the country will pay....)
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To: exist
Why doesn’t Barney Frank raise money for the auto industry by running a gay prostitution ring out of his house.

Barney Frank's Rumble Seat: "Do it for the cars, for pity's sake!"

11 posted on 11/19/2008 3:43:33 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (G-d watch over and protect Sarah Palin and her family.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Could happen that the Big 3 will be on public support for ten years like this. Maybe forever. 3 million jobs, etc.


12 posted on 11/19/2008 3:43:58 PM PST by RightWhale (Exxon Suxx)
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To: Enchante

We are so screwed! There really is no other way to put it.


13 posted on 11/19/2008 3:44:32 PM PST by Boardwalk
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To: exist

The only thing I can say good about him is that he doesn’t need a seat on his bike. On second thought that isn’t good either. Oh Well.


14 posted on 11/19/2008 3:45:08 PM PST by mcshot (Bitterly Loving God, Family, Life, Guns and our Constitution - as written!)
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To: jwalsh07

Excuse me but I think this house of cards is coming down. Every man for himself. Next year is going to be historic. I am thinking Florida will need roadblocks to keep out the runners from Ohio..Michigan..New York and other failed socialist states in the north. This is going to be insane.


15 posted on 11/19/2008 3:45:22 PM PST by screaminsunshine
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

where are they going to store these surplus cars that will be put on the market? the dealers lots are already full


16 posted on 11/19/2008 3:45:27 PM PST by Republicus2001
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
This was all caused by the Democrats.

I really don't trust the Democrats to straighten it out.

Of course you will never hear from the MSM what political party is responsible.

Democrats know their base are a bunch of morons and will believe that it was all caused by the Republicans and Republicans are a bunch of sheep afraid to tell the truth of the cause of the problem for fear of hurting the feelings of Democrats.

17 posted on 11/19/2008 3:46:45 PM PST by Dustbunny (Freedom prospers when religion is vibrant and the rule of law under God is acknowledged. The Gipper)
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To: mcshot

18 posted on 11/19/2008 3:47:01 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (G-d watch over and protect Sarah Palin and her family.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

This is how state socialism works. Government bureaucrats and unions come first.


19 posted on 11/19/2008 3:47:15 PM PST by Argus (Stuff Compassionate and Maverick - just try plain old CONSERVATISM again)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

I’m with Mitt:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/opinion/19romney.html?_r=2


20 posted on 11/19/2008 3:47:16 PM PST by onehipdad (A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

Thought the same thing!

NEXT HOT JOBS OF THE FUTURE

Need Techs who can run presses and print billions of dollars at a time.....


21 posted on 11/19/2008 3:47:33 PM PST by TaraP (A Big Black Horse and a Cherry Tree)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Why not just ban the UAW and avoid all that?


22 posted on 11/19/2008 3:47:36 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

I think Barney got poked in the back of the brain.


23 posted on 11/19/2008 3:48:04 PM PST by Bronzewound
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To: Enchante

Barney Fwank is a criminal and should be in prison.


24 posted on 11/19/2008 3:48:10 PM PST by Bluebird Singing
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Rescuing a “profitable but temporarily troubled company” takes more money than it does to acquire all outstanding shares of its top-2/3 competitors?

We’re in for a world of hurt next year.


25 posted on 11/19/2008 3:48:26 PM PST by sanchmo
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To: Enchante
Barney Frank is a totally dishonest hack

It's my understanding that his mother has been a high-ranking official of FannieMae for years and now he's trying to get her a seat on the GM Board of Directors. This guy has no shame ...
26 posted on 11/19/2008 3:48:44 PM PST by Republicus2001
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle


27 posted on 11/19/2008 3:51:18 PM PST by vietvet67
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To: Tarpon

“Shows what happens when you put those who cause in charge of the fix”

Yep.

Also, all the industries must talk down their own future because the bailout and Paulson’s broad talk about it encouraged hopes they can get government money—if they are in “trouble.”

So they have to talk down the future.

On the disinformation line of attack, management is claiming “unions” won’t let them go into bankruptcy to reorganize. Bunk. They don’t want to admit bankruptcy will kill executive pay and bonuses. Creditors might boot out upper management altogether too.


28 posted on 11/19/2008 3:52:27 PM PST by Shermy ("And so, of course, we've got a deficit, but I know we can grow out of the deficit" Bush II -2004)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

This is just more of the TOTAL INSANITY OF THE SOCIALIST LIBERAL LEFT.

Our market continues to plunge after electing a socialist radical into our White House and his lapdogs in the Congress are already going nuts with spending and taxation ideas.

It is my TRAGIC PROJECTION that these grossly incompetent union-pandering management of the Big-3 will get money they do not deserve and without assurances that the “LOANS” will be paid back by the presentation of a business plan that shows how they will do it.

They have to bust the unions to do it and become competitive and the unions are really what this bail-out is really all about. Saving the jobs of unionites who voted Obama into the White House. It is payback time. TOTAL INSANITY.


29 posted on 11/19/2008 3:52:41 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Under Franks’ plan will the auto companies all be merged under an umbrella company know as American Leyland?

The Big 3 don’t know why they are in trouble, don’t know what they are doing now, and have no idea how to get out.

Let. Them. Die!

Someone with brains and vision will snatch up the pieces and build anew.


30 posted on 11/19/2008 3:52:48 PM PST by Drill Thrawl (Who is John Galt?)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Government is a big part of the problem. Personally, I don’t care how the auto industry runs its factories or pays its employees. I’m not even a union hater like some FReepers. If they want a union, that’s fine with me, just don’t ask me to pay for it.

Let me put this bluntly. FReepers generally know no more about the auto industry than anyone else, including politicians. We can probably debate all sorts of master plans to revitalize the industry, but we are almost all ill trained to do so. What we SHOULD be advocating is simple: get the government out of the way!

What does that mean? Cut taxes, slash unnecessary regulations, eliminate government mandates, etc. That’s the conservative way, and it works!


31 posted on 11/19/2008 3:54:55 PM PST by CitizenUSA (Voted proudly for GOVERNOR Palin for VP (but not so sad that RINO McCain lost)!)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
So Barney Frank's plan is for the federal government to acquire a stake in the car companies, approve their operating plans going forward, and to have veto power over any business decision costing more than $25 million. He might as well appoint himself CEO.

The technical term of the economic system where the government runs major industry while maintaining the illusion of private ownership, is National Socialism.

It didn't work so well for Germany 70 years ago, and I don't see good things coming from it today.

32 posted on 11/19/2008 3:55:04 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (Question O-thority)
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To: Shermy

When you have 4 times as many people on the dole as you do on the payroll, you have a problem. Everyone knew that the UAW contracts were not sustainable.


33 posted on 11/19/2008 3:57:46 PM PST by Tarpon (America's first principles, freedom, liberty, market economy and self-reliance will never fail.)
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To: CitizenUSA

Hear! Hear! (knocks on table)


34 posted on 11/19/2008 3:58:23 PM PST by Drill Thrawl (Who is John Galt?)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

A symptom of how far we’ve sunk is that Barney Frank is still a member of Congress.


35 posted on 11/19/2008 3:58:58 PM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Big three?

Isn't Mister Frank one of the big three evil-doers who got us into this mess?

(Frank, Dodd, and Raines?)

If not, who might be the three peeps most responsible for our current financial predicament?

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36 posted on 11/19/2008 4:02:44 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Biwions!

The Bahwney Pucker factor is so high he couldn't insert a pin needle.

"Biwions I say! Biwions fah Big Fwee Baiwout!"

LOL.

Just watch the Dem pucker factor folks, they will DO nothing and 'bwame" Bush even though they have controlled Congress for 2 years.

Come on Bahwney! You and your Dem buddies Govern for Kwyssakes!

Pwant the money twees !

37 posted on 11/19/2008 4:05:32 PM PST by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, ( member NRA)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Biwions!

The Bahwney Pucker factor is so high he couldn't insert a pin needle.

"Biwions I say! Biwions fah Big Fwee Baiwout!"

LOL.

Just watch the Dem pucker factor folks, they will DO nothing and 'bwame" Bush even though they have controlled Congress for 2 years.

Come on Bahwney! You and your Dem buddies Govern for Kwyssakes!

Pwant the money twees !

38 posted on 11/19/2008 4:05:37 PM PST by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, ( member NRA)
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To: jwalsh07

Well...duh (The market cap for all three is under 7 billion.) Bawney Fwank is a Congress critter....he really doesn’t have a brain!!! Nor, must those who keep re-electing him...


39 posted on 11/19/2008 4:10:11 PM PST by goodnesswins (CONSERVATIVES....saving America's A** whether you like it or not!)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

This is utter nonsense. No one knows what the automakers will do with the money. A better way to help them out would be to suspend some Federal regulations - starting with the impending CAFE regs. But, of course, we can’t do anything that simple and practical because Washington is run by “environmentalists”.


40 posted on 11/19/2008 4:11:45 PM PST by popdonnelly (Don't lose sight of your conservative principles.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
What do you do with a car that costs more to repair than it would to replace? You scrap it and get a new car. If you are talking about hundreds of billions, it is time to look for a good junk yard to drop off the big three at.
41 posted on 11/19/2008 4:11:58 PM PST by KarlInOhio (11/4: The revolutionary socialists beat the Fabian ones. Where can we find a capitalist party?)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

He already tried gay prostitution in his house. It cost him money, but not his job.


42 posted on 11/19/2008 4:13:11 PM PST by popdonnelly (Don't lose sight of your conservative principles.)
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To: Dustbunny

This isn’t just Democrats, although they certainly share a lot of the blame. There are plenty of politicians, both Republican and Democrat, who think they can squeeze the goose the laid the golden eggs forever without killing it. Methinks they’ve been squeezing it a bit too tight for some time now.

I have no idea how this all going to turn out, but I’m pretty sure more government and higher taxes are NOT solutions.


43 posted on 11/19/2008 4:16:13 PM PST by CitizenUSA (Voted proudly for GOVERNOR Palin for VP (but not so sad that RINO McCain lost)!)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Here’s a dirty little secret that the Dems won’t admit: After they bail out Detroit, they’re going to impose the same standards (card check, labor standards, etc) on foreign automakers as well. All those Toyota and Honda plants in the South are going to CLOSE and those workers will be out of jobs. But hey, they probably voted for change...


44 posted on 11/19/2008 4:17:17 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

If it is left to the Dems, our auto industry will become a Federal utility. Dodd said to the auto CEO’s yesterday: “I commend the auto companies for paying workers 95% of their pay while they are not working due to scaling back production or plant shutdowns.”

Along with the $99 trillion obligation for SS and medicare, one wonders how many trillion $ will be sunk into auto manufacturing. As someone said, just send a check to each union worker and close the damned factories down.


45 posted on 11/19/2008 4:17:21 PM PST by boxer21
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To: jwalsh07
The market cap for all three is under 7 billion.

If you put all GMs obligations on its balance sheet it would be worth negative $16 billion.

46 posted on 11/19/2008 4:18:32 PM PST by Poison Pill
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

This guy has to go. He is worthless and he is not fighting for anyone.


47 posted on 11/19/2008 4:19:25 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Barney Frank should be bronzed and used as a boat anchor.


48 posted on 11/19/2008 4:20:58 PM PST by navyguy (The National Reset Button is pushed with the trigger finger.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Barney Frank has caused SO MUCH damage including Fannie & Freddie. The public will not bailout the UAW. They need to give back a lot and alter their work rules.

I feel sorry for the white collar workers at the automakers. They work like dogs while the UAW bleeds the companies to death.


49 posted on 11/19/2008 4:24:16 PM PST by Frantzie
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To: Poison Pill

negative 16 billion nothing short of astounding!


50 posted on 11/19/2008 4:26:14 PM PST by Boardwalk
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