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Posted on 11/19/2008 3:56:29 PM PST by wagglebee
WASHINGTON, November 19, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The possible signing of the Freedom of Choice Act (FOCA) by President-Elect Barack Obama would be "the equivalent of a war" an unnamed senior Vatican official recently told TIME magazine.
The startling comments make the second time this week that a Vatican official has forthrightly and in the strongest language condemned Obama's extreme policies on abortion. Speaking at the Catholic University of America a few days ago, Vatican Cardinal James Stafford labeled Obama's anti-life policies as "aggressive, disruptive, and apocalyptic," also noting that, "On November 4, 2008, America suffered a cultural earthquake" (see coverage: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/nov/08111703.html).
With Catholic, but outspokenly pro-abortion individuals occupying two prominent positions (Joseph Biden as vice president and Tom Daschle as Health and Human Services Secretary) the specter of public excommunication or denial of communion for prominent members of the Obama Administration has arisen.
The focus of the Vatican’s concern, FOCA, is a bill that would do away with state laws on abortion, including laws mandating parental involvement, or banning partial birth abortion. FOCA would also compel taxpayer funding of abortions, and, of greatest concern to Bishops, would force faith-based hospitals and healthcare facilities to perform abortions.
Obama has in the past said that he would make signing FOCA one of the highest priorities of his presidency.
Last week at the meeting of US Bishops in Baltimore, Cybercast News Service asked Chicago Cardinal Francis George, the current president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, if voting for FOCA would bring a penalty of automatic excommunication for Catholic politicians. The Cardinal did not rule it out.
"The excommunication is automatic if that act is in fact formal cooperation, and that is precisely what would have to be discussed once you would see the terms of the act itself," responded Cardinal George. When asked for more, he added: "The categories in moral theology about cooperating in evil, which make you complicit in the evil even though you don't do it yourself, are material cooperation, which is usually remote and therefore doesn't involve you in the moral action except in a very auxiliary and minor way, and formal cooperation, which would involve you even though you are not doing it, in the way that makes you culpable.
"So we would have to take a look at each case, and at each law, to determine whether or not the cooperation is material or formal. We've never done that."
Cardinal George has, however, personally analyzed FOCA and expressed his grave concerns about the legislation. In a message to the Obama Administration at the end of the USCCB meeting George wrote on FOCA, saying it would, "outlaw any ‘interference’ in providing abortion at will. It would deprive the American people in all fifty states of the freedom they now have to enact modest restraints and regulations on the abortion industry. FOCA would coerce all Americans into subsidizing and promoting abortion with their tax dollars. It would counteract any and all sincere efforts by government and others of good will to reduce the number of abortions in our country."
The Cardinal added: "FOCA would have an equally destructive effect on the freedom of conscience of doctors, nurses and health care workers whose personal convictions do not permit them to cooperate in the private killing of unborn children. It would threaten Catholic health care institutions and Catholic Charities." (see coverage: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/nov/08111209.html )
In light of this possible attempt to revoke conscience rights under the Obama administration, Catholic League president Bill Donohue has urged President Bush to enact regulations, already in draft for months, which would protect the rights of doctors, nurses and health workers from being discriminated against if they refuse to perform or assist in abortions, as well as other morally contentious procedures. "At stake are the religious rights of these professionals," said Donohue.
"To put it differently, were FOCA to become law (it needs to be reintroduced in the House), the culture war that the Vatican official was referring to would come to a boiling point," he warned. "In practical terms, this would mean the closure of every Catholic hospital in the nation: No bishop is going to stand by and allow the federal government to dictate what medical procedures must be performed in Catholic hospitals. Make no mistake about it, the bishops would shut down Catholic hospitals before acquiescing in the intentional killing of an innocent child. Were this to happen, it would not only cripple the poor, it would cripple the Obama administration."
Donohue concluded: "It is for reasons like these that the Catholic League urges President Bush to move with dispatch in instituting rules protecting the religious rights of all health care workers. If Obama wants to undo them, it will set up a confrontation he will surely regret."
See the TIME article:
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1859856,00.htm...
See the Cybercast News article:
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=14369
Obama and his crowd don't want to reduce the number of abortions, they want as much death as possible.
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I wonder if Osmara Barek would outlaw Cathoics talk about abortion PROBABLY MOST LIKELY maybe Bishop big mouths like me I talk
War?? From what I saw, all the “soldiers” already defected to Obama.
Deep down, I think the “Obama administration” is in for a shocker when it comes to how many people REALLY (that really matter in the structure and function of our society) dislike the idea of Obama in the Oval Office....our enemies as well, are already making jokes about him, and celebrating a foreign-affairs and defense weak president.
If the Catholic Church discovers that there are sins other than murder this country will be set right.
Thou shall not covet thy neighbors’ goods(wealth). I have been trying to get Christian leaders and activists to take up this cry. With no success. It’s easy to preach against abortion and homosexuality knowing that you won’t offend your constituents. It is a whole other matter to take a stand against government-mediated coveting. Nearly everyone is getting some kind of handout.
U.S. politics and government at all levels is driven by covetousness. It got Obama elected.
God have mercy on us.
I question..how I pay taxes that will be used to abort pre-born persons?
It’s likely to be too little, too late. The modernist bishops let things slide for too many years after Vatican II. This is the deadly harvest.
Limbaugh said today that Obama got half of the Catholic vote. So the war would be Obama and half of the Catholics against the other half of the Catholics.
Right, 52%
Let the vicious anti-Catholic fetishism commence!
Yep, but the Churchgoers in my family still voted for Alfred E. Obama.
Well put. And the Church is not going to war with the US government. It has long had the opportunity to do so (e.g. Kennedy, Pelosi, et al) and didn’t. It will continue to gripe and complain and do nothing substantial. Mainly because it knows it will lose 50%+ of its US church membership if it really presses the issues raised by the Gospels.
52%—in exit polling!—is the new “all.”
what would happen if the Pope himself personally spoke out against this?
yeah but FOCA is a big deal
So it is vicious because some Catholics betray the Church’s teachings or because of who they vote for? As to anti-Catholic, well, they do vote in large numbers for a guy whose politics I really hate. Of course 96% of blacks voted for Obama, and that’s not fetishism.
Due to lack of leadership. They are waiting too late to take a stand. At that, it is not a popular stand among some of the priests and bishops.
Not going to happen.
Okay, a little hyperbolic. But still, too many (and I don’t excuse many of my fellow evangelicals who voted O or stayed home). But if more than half the soldiers defect I don’t expect to see much war.
I hope I’m wrong.
The out may be that some floor in the Catholic hospital will be run by some other entity (abortuary) and therefore it is not “really” the hospital performing the abortions. I have heard of it happening in a diocese in the past.
this would affect every catholic hospital
People believe what they want to believe.
The half of Catholics that voted for the zero aren’t “the Catholic Church”. Not even close.
consider that Obama got 52-54% of a group that Bush got 58-62% of.
If you leave out the Catholics, the evangelical numbers for McCain were the strongest group for him. Thank Sarah for that.
Amen to that. Some people will preach every waking hour to the converted re: abortion while all else sinks into the sea.
One more time in English please.
I pray for the Catholic church. Let them see the evil within those politicians that they have supported through the years.
Good chance you're right.
The Catholic church has a real leaning toward fiscal socialism.
The Dems took advantage of that in this election and will try it again in '10.
This Catholic problem is why Central America had such a problem with libertarian theology. There is a strong bias against capitalism among Catholics.
“The out may be that some floor in the Catholic hospital will be run by some other entity (abortuary) and therefore it is not “really” the hospital performing the abortions. I have heard of it happening in a diocese in the past.”
I’ve worked in two Catholic hospitals and neither one would even consider this.
Which diocese are you citing?
Today, I walked in to our parish Catholic school to deliver a donation. They had replaced the photo of President Bush with one of Bobama in front of the U.S. Capitol. They also had a photo of Joe Biden where VP Cheney had been. These were placed on the entry wall between the Pope and the Cardinal.
Anyway, when I saw Bobama's picture, I burst out with "He isn't the President yet!" The receptionist replied that he is the the president-elect. (D'uh) I said, Still, he hasn't been inaugurated and he is not the President. Bush is.
So, there you are. Apparently, our parish kids are being taught to be proud and pleased re this election, and Bush is given the bum's rush. I guess a Catholic education is not what it once was.
That's good news, sort of. Nonetheless, he IS the President elect, and he WAS helped by millions of Catholic votes.
You should have told them you were there to make a donation. However upon reconsideration, you will donate the money to a pro-life organization.
I am trying hard not to tell a lot of people off.I know it’s coming I can just feel it:)
Under this dictator, maybe Catholics will be the equivalent of the Jews under Hitler. Off with their heads, or off to re-education camps. True persecution of people of faith could be on the horizon.
I was donating pull tabs to the kids’ Ronald McDonald project, so it wasn’t money going to the church, but something directly from the kids to other kids....:-)
But your suggestion is good and I’ll discuss that with the conservative Catholics I know.
make that “liberation” theology.
***Alfred E. Obama*** LOL!
“What, me worry?” (I’d love to see a photoshop of that!)
I have a hard time believing those exit polling numbers are correct for Catholics. My in-laws in Upstate NY and FL who are Catholic and Dems all voted for McCain and so did their friends.
Catholics in Oklahoma sure didn’t vote for Obama in big numbers. He didn’t even get 95% of black votes in OK.
Where did the numbers come from on Catholics? I haven’t talked to one Catholic that voted for Obama but then they all knew about his favoring partial birth abortion killing of babies.
I've been saying for a long time that devout Catholics and Evangelical Protestants need to start paying more attention to what we have in common than we do to our differences because it won't be long until we are sharing cells with each other.
I’ll put it this way. And I’m going to narrow the comment only to Catholics who voted in this election, and not to ALL Catholics. If the crowd before Pontius Pilate were composed of the Catholics who voted in this election, half would want Jesus freed, and half would want Barabbas freed. The Barabbas supporters would be the Catholics who voted for Obama.
I wish you were here to tell it to Mahony.
:-)
I find it very telling that the Pope does not speak up on this. Bishops in dioceses where it is overwhelmingly pro life might be speaking up, but if its in a diocese where it may cause a drop off in the offering plate there is dead silence. A universal condemnation from the Pope would affect church wide giving and therefore is not going to happen.
To me, assuming I fully comprehend the love Jesus had for children, it is not possible for people who profess devotion to Jesus to vote for Obama.
No, I mean “Alfred E. Obama.” (He’s got the ears, afterall.) (Sorry that was catty. Will add to my confession list.)
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