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Obama and Biden bode well for Constitution
Capital Times ^ | 11/20/2008 | John Nichols

Posted on 11/20/2008 4:27:30 PM PST by SJackson

President-elect Barack Obama and Vice President-elect Joe Biden are supposedly very different pieces of the Democratic puzzle. Obama is the relative newcomer to Washington, the change agent. Biden is the senior "man of Washington," the old hand who can make change a reality. But Obama and Biden have one thing in common: They've both done stints as constitutional law professors. Obama taught at the University of Chicago Law School -- along with brilliant former jurist and liberal Congressman Abner Mikva -- while Biden has for many years taught at Widener Law School in Delaware.

This unique pairing intrigues New York Congressman Jerry Nadler. "(Isn't this) a change?" muses Nadler, who chairs the Constitution subcommittee of the House Judiciary Committee. "After eight years of trashing the Constitution, we have an administration that actually respects the document."

Wisconsin Democrat Tammy Baldwin, a House Judiciary Committee member, says that "if we are not able to hold the current administration to account, then when this administration hands over its responsibilities and authorities to a President Obama and to a Vice President Biden, they will responsibly choose not to exercise some of the powers that we would argue were overreaches by this administration. I would hope, also, that they would choose to help us to renounce the activities -- torture and rendition, spying on American citizens without a warrant, outing CIA agents, whatever it is -- that have been identified as abuses. Given their grounding in constitutional law, they should be inclined to do that."

So maybe when a new president and vice president swear oaths to defend the Constitution, they might actually mean it?

"Exactly," says Baldwin.


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Neither were Professors, as in tenured Professors, but that's no reason not to say they were.

I doubt either stays at Holiday Inn Express, but Joe takes the train to work and Barry smokes, so they are regular guys, for Professors.

I'm sure Tammy has had a job outside of government too. In fact, maybe she could be a law Professor, it's the fast track to the White House, and we've never had a gay or a female President.

1 posted on 11/20/2008 4:27:30 PM PST by SJackson
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To: SJackson
"After eight years of trashing the Constitution, we have an administration that actually respects the document." Too Funny
2 posted on 11/20/2008 4:29:07 PM PST by SkyDancer ("Talent Without Ambition Is Sad, Ambition Without Talent Is Worse")
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To: SJackson

Biden is dumber than a stone and wouldn’t know the Constitution if it hit him in the ass. His proclamation that we need to get Patriotic and pay more taxes is evidence of his lack of understanding.


3 posted on 11/20/2008 4:30:12 PM PST by mortal19440
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To: SJackson
>>>>> ... Obama and Biden have one thing in common: They've both done stints as liberal anti- constitutional law professors.

Corrected!

4 posted on 11/20/2008 4:31:56 PM PST by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: SJackson

Liberal idiots confusing the Communist Manifesto with the Constitution.


5 posted on 11/20/2008 4:32:44 PM PST by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: SJackson

Please remember to put “Barf Alert” on these postings.


6 posted on 11/20/2008 4:33:04 PM PST by oldbill
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To: SJackson

Anyone ever read much by professors of constitutional law? Not much actual respect for the Constitution there....


7 posted on 11/20/2008 4:33:53 PM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Nihil utile nisi quod honestum - Marcus Tullius Cicero)
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To: SJackson

WTBA? (Where’s the Barf Alert?)


8 posted on 11/20/2008 4:33:59 PM PST by Weirdad (A Free Republic, not a "democracy" (mob rule))
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To: SJackson

His Constitutional Law Class was a joke by all accounts from the students. Why did Obama not write anything? How much did he practice law? Did he lie on application for the Bar Association saying he never used another name? The list of questions go on and on. He got the job because of Ayers Dad — next question about the so-called ‘genius!’


9 posted on 11/20/2008 4:34:56 PM PST by PhiKapMom ( BOOMER SOONER LetsGetThisRight.com RED STATE Oklahoma Republican)
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To: SJackson

During his debate with Palin, Biden couldn’t even correctly name the article of the Constitution that outlined the Executive Branch.


10 posted on 11/20/2008 4:35:26 PM PST by Yo-Yo
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

I took a Constitutional Law class in college. I read a lot about the penumbra and how the “living constitution” is needed to solve hard cases.


11 posted on 11/20/2008 4:36:46 PM PST by SMCC1
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To: SJackson

I guess you thought the “Barf Alert” was self evident. That anyone could think either of these guys respects the Constitution speaks to some sort of serious mental illness.


12 posted on 11/20/2008 4:37:24 PM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: SJackson
So maybe when a new president and vice president swear oaths to defend the Constitution, they might actually mean it?

Really? Why should we expect him to defend a "negative charter"?

Poor deluded leftists.

13 posted on 11/20/2008 4:38:47 PM PST by skeeter (Its Barry's fault)
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To: SJackson
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14 posted on 11/20/2008 4:39:00 PM PST by Eagle50AE (Pray for our Armed Forces.)
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To: SJackson

I must’ve missed the Barf Alert on this post.

And Barack Obama is such an expert on the Constitution that he can clearly see where the founding fathers were WRONG in not including judicial activism, social justice, and economic justice in our courts.

Wealth must be shared from the rich to the poor in our society and it is the government’s job to apportion that to the people.


15 posted on 11/20/2008 4:40:10 PM PST by weegee (Global Warming Change? Fight Global Socialist CHANGE.)
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To: SJackson

Hey, put the BARF alert on this crap, will ya!


16 posted on 11/20/2008 4:41:30 PM PST by Doc Savage ("Are you saying Jesus can't hit a curve ball? - Harris to Cerrano - Major League)
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To: SJackson
They respect it? I’m not even entirely sure Joe Biden knows it.
17 posted on 11/20/2008 4:41:39 PM PST by RichInOC (Obama/Biden '08: "We Are Not Ruled By Murderers, But Only--By Their Friends."--Rudyard Kipling)
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To: SkyDancer
"After eight years of trashing the Constitution, we have an administration that actually respects the document."

Obama has shown that he doesn't even get the Constitution. He has puclicly said that the lack of "positive rights" (i.e. what the government must do for you) vs. "negative rights" (what the government cannot do to you) is due to a "blind spot" among the founders. This statement betrays a profound lack of understanding -- both of the process by which the Constitution was created, and the purpose it sought to achieve.

Obama's words show he sees the Constitutional restraints on government power as an impediment to his agenda. Only a tyrant at heart would have such a view.

18 posted on 11/20/2008 4:42:34 PM PST by Maceman (If you're not getting a tax cut, you're getting a pay cut.)
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To: Eagle50AE

First they will go after the 2nd — the fuhrer has said as much.

The, the 1st — they will use a combination of the “fairness doctrine” and rampant Political correctness (anyone who DARES speak against the fuhrer is a racist and WILL be shut up and shut down).

After that, the 4th — your life will be an open book. NOT foreign terrorist phone calls, but ANYONE who speaks against the fuhrer.

This administration will kill the BOR as fast a humanly possible, with the MSM as a gleeful accessory every step along the way.


19 posted on 11/20/2008 4:43:21 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Der neuen Fuhrer: AKA the Murdering Messiah: Keep your power dry, folks)
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To: Weirdad; oldbill

If you need a barf alert for every article that might have tripe like this in it, you need to gird up your loins and strengthen up your chopper muscles.


20 posted on 11/20/2008 4:43:21 PM PST by Past Your Eyes (All points of view tolerated...as long as they agree with mine.)
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To: PhiKapMom; SMCC1
His Constitutional Law Class was a joke by all accounts from the students.

Some years ago, not being a lawyer myself and trying to flatter the child of a friend who just completed first year law, I asked a Constitutional question regarding the 2nd Amendment. Not something arcane which would require extensive knowledge. He was clueless, and seeing I was puzzled, he explained that the Constitution is taught in the second year. First year being designed to weed people out, and teach advocacy skills. What to advocate can wait. Two sides to everything after all.

21 posted on 11/20/2008 4:43:24 PM PST by SJackson (http://www.jewish-history.com/emporium/)
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To: MileHi; oldbill; Weirdad; Doc Savage; Past Your Eyes
I guess you thought the “Barf Alert” was self evident.

I don't usually do barf alerts, but yes.

Capital Times is usually enough, but throw in Biden, Omama, Professor and Tammy Baldwin, it's obvious.

Remember, these people will soon be running our nation.

22 posted on 11/20/2008 4:46:05 PM PST by SJackson (http://www.jewish-history.com/emporium/)
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To: SJackson

Anyone who took Government in High School should have been able to answer that question. Unbelievable!


23 posted on 11/20/2008 4:46:29 PM PST by PhiKapMom ( BOOMER SOONER LetsGetThisRight.com RED STATE Oklahoma Republican)
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To: Maceman

That’s what is concerning me now ... he’s not yet in office and look what’s happening to the economy just by what he’s been saying, then too, look at the run on guns and ammo ... I went with my dad to Walmart to buy some more and they were pretty low. We asked about shipments and they said it was slow .... one person was buying ammo just because ... he didn’t own any kind of gun ...


24 posted on 11/20/2008 4:46:49 PM PST by SkyDancer ("Talent Without Ambition Is Sad, Ambition Without Talent Is Worse")
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To: weegee
And Barack Obama is such an expert on the Constitution that he can clearly see where the founding fathers were WRONG in not including judicial activism, social justice, and economic justice in our courts.

That requires an amazing level of arrogance, doesn't it. Most living Constitution advocates argue that the Founder built a living document. Not that they were a bunch of uncaring folk who simply missed the key issues, not to be added by executive order of The One.

25 posted on 11/20/2008 4:48:40 PM PST by SJackson (http://www.jewish-history.com/emporium/)
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To: SJackson

Some of us enjoy being disgusted. And when it’s a surprise disgust, that’s just an added benefit.


26 posted on 11/20/2008 4:49:00 PM PST by Past Your Eyes (All points of view tolerated...as long as they agree with mine.)
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To: SJackson

To all those who want the barf alert, I got sick just from reading the title! Besides, it’s good practice for the next 4 years. We have to get as good as the Russians at deciphering the media, especially when we loose our freedom of speech here and on the radio.


27 posted on 11/20/2008 4:50:20 PM PST by huldah1776 ( Worthy is the Lamb)
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To: SJackson

After the indoctrination has set in, then we learn about how the law REALLY works!

1. ACORN
2. Minnesota “Recount”
3. Obama’s Birth Certificate AND Selective Service Registration
4. Congress and Fannie Mae / Freddie Mac
5. California’s Judicial ruling that directly led to Prop. 8
...


28 posted on 11/20/2008 4:52:06 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: PhiKapMom

No, though I’ve forgotten the question, it wasn’t a simple one. Related to the arguement leading up to the final wording, individual vs collective right issues, if I recall. I was struck by his statement that it’s not tought till year two more than his lack of an answer.


29 posted on 11/20/2008 4:52:07 PM PST by SJackson (http://www.jewish-history.com/emporium/)
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To: SJackson
Obama and Biden bode well for Constitution

yes and they get it straight too, you know that the Constitution is a living document that can be molded and contorted for the good of the people. They will continue in FDR's footprints, you know how he wanted to make a new bill of rights that will feed, clothe and medicate the masses. Yes it will be a thing to behold....(giga-sarc)

30 posted on 11/20/2008 4:52:24 PM PST by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: SJackson
we have an administration that actually respects the document.

Yet, they are going to support the (un)Fairness Doctrine?

31 posted on 11/20/2008 4:58:55 PM PST by Michael.SF. ("They're not Americans. They're liberals! "-- Ann Coulter, May 15, 2008)
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To: SJackson

Tammy is humming the Party line.

Law school does not teach what the Constitution provides or means. It teaches what the Supremes over the years has said it means. Some of the arguments and decisions of the Supremes have been flatly improper. See for instance, “The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Constitution.” by Kevin R. C. Gutzman, J.D., Ph.D. ($13-14).

Worse, Biden believes the Constitution is a living, breathing document that is not to be limited to the obvious intent of those that drafted and ratified it. As Chairman of the Judiciary Committee, Biden was a significant reason Judge Bork was “Borked”. Bork believes judicial authority ought to be limited in a representative government, a thought that frightens Biden and his ilk. Of course, we more and more have a Supreme Court that increasingly acts as a Supreme Legislature.

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32 posted on 11/20/2008 5:01:52 PM PST by frog in a pot (Obama: "I don't believe people should be able to own guns." Thanks for the heads up, O)
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To: SkyDancer

Our nation is going down the crapper and discourse is dying. There is a black owned radio station here that has been historically black owned for 50+ years.

And the weekday morning host has gotten flack in the past for defending Bush and Governor Rick Perry on some matters.

But with barack, he’s even gotten into disputes with other radio personalities (also black) on this station. This host sees helping the poor and black communities (not necessarily the same thing) as being more Christian than opposing Barack’s positions on abortion and homosexuality.

That said, this host is also a defender of gun rights. He has talked about his gun on his show numerous times and says he has it to protect his things. With lethal force if necessary.

So today I tune in and he’s talking with a caller and they are talking about the scared white people buying guns and making the whole issue seem like white people are afraid that black Americans are now going to go wild and theiving etc. FALSE. Racist. Blatantly FALSE. The people who are buying guns are trying to beat the timer before any new legislation can be passed to put more obstacles in their WAY of buying a gun or keeping the government from keeping a list of just who has how many guns.

And if the host is so defensive of any concern about the black community being involved in the crime of home invasion, just why is it HE has a gun? Doesn’t he trust those around him?

Bigot. Naked bigot and race baiter. He may not actually believe all the trash he’s been spouting since this election started (and for the record I don’t believe that Pastor Wright believes white people made AIDs, but he knows that some of his flock do and it works as a hot button issue) but what he’s saying does NOT bring the community of Harris County together by sowing the seeds of racism.


33 posted on 11/20/2008 5:03:45 PM PST by weegee (Global Warming Change? Fight Global Socialist CHANGE.)
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To: frog in a pot

“Stand up, America” - Joe Biden


34 posted on 11/20/2008 5:04:50 PM PST by weegee (Global Warming Change? Fight Global Socialist CHANGE.)
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To: weegee

I’m going to watch Obama and the msm and see what happens these next few years ... I think everyone should do a wait and see ....


35 posted on 11/20/2008 5:05:09 PM PST by SkyDancer ("Talent Without Ambition Is Sad, Ambition Without Talent Is Worse")
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To: weegee

double ZING


36 posted on 11/20/2008 5:05:10 PM PST by weegee (Global Warming Change? Fight Global Socialist CHANGE.)
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To: frog in a pot

Should it not be a Mega-Barf alert?


37 posted on 11/20/2008 5:07:13 PM PST by paulweir
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To: Maceman
Obama's words show he sees the Constitutional restraints on government power as an impediment to his agenda. Only a tyrant at heart would have such a view.

Exactly.

Amazing << Hear this. Feel this, and tell me that this isn't music.


38 posted on 11/20/2008 5:09:43 PM PST by rdb3 (Get out the putter. This one's on the green.)
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To: SJackson
Neither were Professors, as in tenured Professors, but that's no reason not to say they were.

Did either ever even work as a lawyer?

I know Biden grew asthma to get out of going to Vietnam when he graduated law school and just a few short years later was in the Senate.

39 posted on 11/20/2008 5:10:32 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (All hail the Obamasiah! Kneel before Obamohammad!)
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To: VeniVidiVici

Obama did, mostly housing issues, I don’t know about Biden.


40 posted on 11/20/2008 5:11:37 PM PST by SJackson (http://www.jewish-history.com/emporium/)
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To: VeniVidiVici

As to the asthma, what can you say, it could be legit, though I’ve never seen a picture of Joe with an inhaler. Guess it got better, quickly.


41 posted on 11/20/2008 5:12:40 PM PST by SJackson (http://www.jewish-history.com/emporium/)
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To: SJackson

When John Nichols, Tammy Baldwin, and Jerry Nadler join together in a socialist circle-jerk it is not worthy of publication — this is just what leftists do together behind closed doors, but they don’t have enough discretion to keep their silly fantasies to themselves.


42 posted on 11/20/2008 5:13:12 PM PST by Enchante (Thanks, Mediascum, you "elected" your candidate and now the country will pay....)
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To: weegee

“Stand up, America” - Joe Biden

??

Has Biden already plagiarized my battle cry?

Did you see the photo of his visit with VP and Mrs. Cheney?
He had to be standing on a 12” high banker box.
Obama-PE, Biden-PE.


43 posted on 11/20/2008 5:13:53 PM PST by frog in a pot (Obama: "I don't believe people should be able to own guns." Thanks for the heads up, O)
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To: SkyDancer; SJackson; LucyT

“After eight years of trashing the Constitution, we have an administration that actually respects the document.”>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Then why hasn’t Obama released his birth documents to show he was naturally born in the USA, as required by Article II of our Constitution? Instead he has spent over 1 million dollars obscuring his birth record, defending 5 court cases,
one of which is scheduled for a conference in SCOTUS on Dec. 5th?

Cross Thread Reference:

The game’s afoot, Watson!( SCOTUS Process Obama Proof of Birth)
The Obama File Latest News ^ | 11/20/08 | Beckwith

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2135329/posts


44 posted on 11/20/2008 5:13:53 PM PST by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, ( member NRA)
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To: Candor7

Been following that on World Net Daily - seems several law suits out there ... then did Kerry ever show his form 180(?) - I think the MSM will just push that aside as Obama bashing/racist comments and go on to other things like praising Michelle’s wardrobe ...


45 posted on 11/20/2008 5:16:11 PM PST by SkyDancer ("Talent Without Ambition Is Sad, Ambition Without Talent Is Worse")
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To: Candor7
Then why hasn’t Obama released his birth documents to show he was naturally born in the USA, as required by Article II of our Constitution?

That would be covered in the footnote, in secret ink on the back of the Constitution, just under the giant O. Natural born to be determined by the President elect, upon election his word being sacrosinct.

They covered that in a movie. Yes, I know he's not President elect yet, but I forgot the term.

46 posted on 11/20/2008 5:19:26 PM PST by SJackson (http://www.jewish-history.com/emporium/)
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To: SJackson
Remember, these people will soon be running our nation.

I remember, and it scares me a little.

Thanks for the post.

47 posted on 11/20/2008 5:21:21 PM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: SJackson

Uh huh. Hitler and Himmler boded well for the Jews.


48 posted on 11/20/2008 5:21:55 PM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: SJackson; All
But Obama and Biden have one thing in common: They've both done stints as constitutional law professors.

To begin with, I didn't reference the names of the schools Obama and Biden have been law professors at to save the schools some embarrassment. But I will also note that neither the editors at Capital Times or John Nichols evidently know the Constitution.

Next, stand back everybody! Regardless that only justices are trusted to possess the wisdom necessary to interpret the Constitution, here's Thomas Jefferson's "secret formulas" for interpreting the Constitution.

"Laws are made for men of ordinary understanding and should, therefore, be construed by the ordinary rules of common sense. Their meaning is not to be sought for in metaphysical subtleties which may make anything mean everything or nothing at pleasure." --Thomas Jefferson to William Johnson, 1823. ME 15:450

"Common sense [is] the foundation of all authorities, of the laws themselves, and of their construction." --Thomas Jefferson: Batture at New Orleans, 1812. ME 18:92

"Common sense is not so common." --Voltaire, French author, humanist, rationalist, & satirist (1694 - 1778) =:^O

The truth of the matter is that, given their liberal voting records concerning federal government spending and social issues, Obama and Biden, along with many other DC lawmakers, are as constitutionally clueless as they come. No apples for these so-called professors.

More specifically, constitutionally ignorant DC lawmakers, particularly the Democrats, have been in contempt of the following constitutional statutes since the time that constitutional flunky FDR established his constitutionally unauthorized New Deal federal spending programs.

Article I, Section 8, Clause 18: To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution (emphasis added) in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

10th Amendment: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

The bottom line is that we are unthinkingly sending people to DC, people like Obama and Biden, who then backstab the voters by regulating social issues and spend taxpayer dollars based on constitutionally nonexistent federal government powers. In fact, I'm glad that Obama is president-elect. This is because the people will ultimately be forced to reconnect with the Constitution and its history in order to protect themselves from Socialist Obama's misguided pen.
49 posted on 11/20/2008 5:25:00 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: SJackson

The two will make a dangerous combination. Both know Constitutional law and will use that knowledge to subvert it. They will know that little changes in law will make huge consequences. Also, expect a huge political assault when the next Supreme Court Justice replacement occurs. All will be posed in the spirit of “Delaware bipartisanship.”


50 posted on 11/20/2008 5:35:38 PM PST by jonrick46
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