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How Mainstream Media Destroys Democracy, What To Do About It
The Bulletin ^ | November 20, 2008 | Herb Denenberg

Posted on 11/21/2008 10:17:50 AM PST by jazusamo

One of the most powerful media figures has blamed the newspapers downward plunge in circulation and profits on the fact that they have forfeited the trust and loyalty of their readers. But I think his basis for saying this is misplaced or incomplete.

According to Rupert Murdoch, who offered this diagnosis of newspaper troubles, the problem lies in the "complacency and condescension" in some newsrooms. He says, "The complacency stems from having enjoyed a monopoly - and now finding they have to compete for an audience they once took for granted. The condescension that many show their readers is an even bigger problem. It takes no special genius to point out that if you are contemptuous of your customers, you are going to have a hard time getting them to buy your product. Newspapers are no exception."

I'd say the problem runs far deeper than that. The problem is that the mainstream media has now become a lapdog and bootlicker of the Obama administration and during the campaign, and now during the transition, have demonstrated they are simply cheerleaders and propagandists for President-elect Barack Obama and have totally abandoned journalistic standards calling for fair and balanced reporting on Mr. Obama and on other national issues. In my view, the mainstream media pulled off a virtual coup by defrauding the voters into accepting an unqualified candidate who was never vetted properly.

The mainstream media continues to amaze even its most critical observers by going ever deeper into the journalistic sewer. I keep thinking the mainstream media can't get any worse, but it continues to prove I'm wrong.

Mr. Obama is now in the early stages of his transition period, and already the front-page of Newsweek portrays him as Lincoln, Time magazine shows him as FDR, The New York Times calls the young voters the "O-generation," and ABC is putting out a DVD called "Yes, We Can: the Barack Obama Story." Howard Kurtz, media writer of the Washington Post, described this all as a "giddy sense of boosterism." He should have added an unprofessional and biased slant on the news. Perhaps he might have also said the mainstream media have been drinking too much Obama Kool-Aid, leading to the Obamania Derangement Syndrome.

Charles Krauthammer, the great columnist, said after reading one Newsweek cover story on Mr. Obama, that it would not have any adjectives left over to describe the Second Coming. During the campaign and transition the mainstream media have done everything but officially declare Mr. Obama a Messiah, Savior and the Second Coming. They only imply that, and their coverage has come close to canonizing and deifying the Great One. There is no limit to the extent the mainstream media will now go to push their Chosen One, and if the present trend continues he will be declared a saint for his inaugural address.

Worse than all that is the mainstream media makes no pretense of being fair and balanced. As they wallow in their journalistic malpractice, they have no shame. Even literature prepared by the Obama campaign or the Obama administration would not be so over the edge in selling Mr. Obama, as they would fear readers might suspect that what is too good to be true probably is - a fraud. The mainstream media has abandoned all journalistic principles and shows no shame while they produce an endless flow of biased, dishonest and fraudulent journalism.

In my view, it's not the mainstream newspapers' complacency and condescension that caused the loss of trust and confidence; it's their fundamental dishonesty and failure to deliver the fair and balanced reporting and information the public wants. The public doesn't want to read Pravda or the writing, raving and ranting of a Joseph Goebbels-type that tells the big lie to make his points. That's where we are, and that's what is dooming the mainstream media.

I would say the public has moved even beyond a position of distrust toward the mainstream media. I for one see it as a force more dangerous to democracy than terrorism. We have been successful in fighting terrorism and keeping the homeland secure. But the mainstream media is not under control and in fact is getting worse by the day and consequently more damaging to democracy by the day. So there is not only distrust of the mainstream media but also positive and intense hatred for what it is and what it is doing.

The bottom line is that readers simply don't trust the mainstream media, and that's fatal to any media outlet. Mr. Murdoch got both sides of the trust issue right. First, he said the public has loss trust in the media. Second, he also mentions the other half of the trust issue, when he said the editors and reporters don't trust their readers. Mr. Murdoch wrote, "A recent American study reported that many editors and reporters simply do not trust their readers to make good decisions. Let's be clear about what this means. This is a polite way of saying that these editors and reporters think their readers are too stupid to think for themselves."

Mr. Murdoch does make one critically important point by explaining some of the impact of all the new technology and sources of news that we now have. Mr. Murdoch said, "It used to be that a handful of editors could decide what was news - and what was not. They acted as sort of demigods. If they ran a story, it became news. If they ignored an event, it never happened. Today, editors are losing this power. The Internet, for example, provides access to thousands of new sources that cover things an editor might ignore. And if you aren't satisfied with that, you can start up your own blog and cover and comment on the news yourself. Journalists like to think of themselves as watchdogs, but they haven't always responded well when the public calls them to account."

I know how arrogant and indifferent to criticism the mainstream media can be. I've been involved in several conferences with Philadelphia Inquirer editors about its anti-Israel bias, and afterward, I found I would have been better off talking to the wall, which might have been more receptive and I know would have had more sense. This was under the Knight-Ridder management teams, but from the new owner's product I see only marginal improvement. This means that the public can avoid the toxic journalism of the mainstream media simply by avoiding it, boycotting it and finding alternatives they can trust.

The mainstream media malpractice during and after the election represents the greatest malfeasance and media failure in history and if not counteracted has the potential to inflict grievous and even fatal damage to the greatest democracy in the history of the world.

If that's not bad enough, it gets worse. The public doesn't seem to care. Sen. McCain tried to make media malpractice into a campaign issue, but that had no traction. Here's the way Stephen Spruiell explained it, writing in the National Review (Dec. 1) in an article entitled "Going Mainstream: The Right Faces New Media Realities":

"The McCain campaign complained mightily about these and other instances of media malpractice, and the public shrugged. In perhaps the most blatant case of overt bias against McCain, New York Times executive editor Bill Keller said that each complaint from the McCain campaign made him want to 'find the toughest McCain story we've got and put it on the front page, just to show them they can't get away with it.'

"When the top newspaper editor in the country is openly discussing his strategy to attack the Republican nominee through the news pages and almost no one cares, complaining about bias just isn't going to accomplish much.

"The mainstream media have staked their future on Obama; that was evident in the way they conducted themselves during the campaign. Economic and political forces are driving notionally objective news organizations toward overt partisanship. Now is the time to invest in conservative alternatives and work to secure mainstream reception for conservative voices. The media game has changed and have to get better at playing it."

As long as so many people rely on the mainstream media for their news and information, Republicans and conservatives are going to operate under a serious handicap. So there are some remedies.

First, the Republicans have to do more to directly communicate news and information to supporters, potential supporters and everyone else. This is much more practicable with the advent of the Internet, e-mail, blogs and all the rest. In an interesting article, Patrick Ruffini of the National Review (Dec. 1), in an article titled "Roots of Defeat: Let Us Study And Emulate The Left's Online Tactics," there is an explanation of how the Democrats used the Internet, how they have done a better job of using the new technology, and how the Republicans have to catch up and surpass them in the use of the Internet and the new technology.

The Republicans don't do a good job of getting the word out. I don't think I received one good document or e-mail from the Republican National Committee setting forth material designed to help sell their view and refute their opponent's arguments.

Second, the pubic has to be mobilized to effectively criticize mainstream media bias by all means available, such as letters-to-the-editor, calls to talk shows and support of groups that fight media bias.

Third, the public has to start inflicting economic damage on the dishonest, fraudulent, and biased mainstream media. That means individual and organized boycotts of the mainstream media, canceling subscriptions and discontinuing advertising in them.

Fourth, the public has to start going to alternative media outlets that can be trusted to give the whole picture. There are hundreds of such sites and here are some good places to start:

* Newspapers: The Wall Street Journal, Investor's Business Daily, The Washington Times, The New York Post, and The Philadelphia Bulletin. One of the best conservative papers, The New York Sun, recently folded. So if you want these alternative voices to survive, you better support them.

* Magazines: The National Review, The Weekly Standard, and Commentary.

* Broadcasters: Fox News Network and WNTP-AM (990) both around the clock. The 990 lineup includes Bill Bennett, Dennis Prager, Michael Medved, Hugh Hewitt, Michael Savage, Mark Levine, and Mike Gallagher, many of which have excellent Web sites of their own. Also Glen Beck, Sean Hannity, and Rush Limbaugh on WPHT-AM (1210).

* Web sites: Townhall.com, Frontpage.com, and Drudgereport.com.

* Web sites specializing in media bias: camera.org and honestreporting.com.

* Blogs: Pajamasmedia.com, instapundit.com, and littlegreenfootballs.com.

Fifth, support the Republican Party and other voices of opposition that provide the kind of information that the mainstream media ignores. You have to put your money where your mouth is to assure that the public gets both sides of the ongoing political controversies.

Herb Denenberg is a former Pennsylvania Insurance Commissioner, Pennsylvania Public Utility Commissioner, and professor at the Wharton School. He is a longtime Philadelphia journalist and consumer advocate. He is also a member of the Institute of Medicine of the National Academy of the Sciences. His column appears daily in The Bulletin. You can reach him at advocate@ thebulletin.us.


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1 posted on 11/21/2008 10:17:50 AM PST by jazusamo
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To: jazusamo
How Mainstream Media Destroys Democracy, What To Do About It

If Democracy is what the MSM was destroying, I'd be perfectly OK with it. But they're not trying to destroy democracy, they're trying to institute it by destroying the Republic.
2 posted on 11/21/2008 10:22:04 AM PST by JamesP81 (A loyal son of the great commonwealth of Kentucky)
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To: jazusamo

The MSM needs to portray 0bama as a second Jimmuh Cahtuh or Herbert Hoover in the interests of fair and balanced journalism.


3 posted on 11/21/2008 10:25:06 AM PST by Post Toasties (It's not a smear if it's true.)
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To: jazusamo
I'll summarize this whole read with “The Enemy Is Within”.
4 posted on 11/21/2008 10:30:10 AM PST by Digger (If RINO is your selection, then failure is your election)
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To: jazusamo
thanks so much for posting this link. I will check it out.

I would say the public has moved even beyond a position of distrust toward the mainstream media. I for one see it as a force more dangerous to democracy than terrorism. We have been successful in fighting terrorism and keeping the homeland secure. But the mainstream media is not under control and in fact is getting worse by the day and consequently more damaging to democracy by the day. So there is not only distrust of the mainstream media but also positive and intense hatred for what it is and what it is doing.

BINGO!! (I am still only half way through reading but had to pull this out and comment.)

5 posted on 11/21/2008 10:30:36 AM PST by GOP Poet
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To: Digger

America’s Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column


6 posted on 11/21/2008 10:34:24 AM PST by nanetteclaret (Blessed Martyrs of Compiegne, Pray for Us!)
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To: Digger

You’re definitely correct.


7 posted on 11/21/2008 10:35:11 AM PST by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: GOP Poet

So there is not only distrust of the mainstream media but also positive and intense hatred for what it is and what it is doing.

So on spot! I look forward to the day when the liberal MSM is just a vague memory. If all were reduced to rubble I would be dancing in the streets. Yes the public hates the MSM!


8 posted on 11/21/2008 10:37:26 AM PST by Bitsy
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To: jazusamo

“I would say the public has moved even beyond a position of distrust toward the mainstream media. I for one see it as a force more dangerous to democracy than terrorism. We have been successful in fighting terrorism and keeping the homeland secure. But the mainstream media is not under control and in fact is getting worse by the day and consequently more damaging to democracy by the day. So there is not only distrust of the mainstream media but also positive and intense hatred for what it is and what it is doing.”

Amen brother! 100% correct.


9 posted on 11/21/2008 10:38:06 AM PST by austinaero
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To: GOP Poet
So there is not only distrust of the mainstream media but also positive and intense hatred for what it is and what it is doing.

He's right on the mark with that.

10 posted on 11/21/2008 10:40:33 AM PST by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo
Great article and pragmatic and efficiently well organized in its proposed solutions. I agree with all except:

Fifth, support the Republican Party and other voices of opposition that provide the kind of information that the mainstream media ignores. You have to put your money where your mouth is to assure that the public gets both sides of the ongoing political controversies.

This contradicts ever so slightly a comment above that says the Republican National Committee didn't send out any literature that clearly articulated much of anything (my words and summary of this point made). Thus I must say that the Republican party put up someone like John McCain as a presidential candidate. Most of us conservatives are still shaking our heads at how this guy won our primary. I have never seen a Republican treat Republicans with such distain and be so very nice and pandering to the Left as McCain is. He is enemy number two. Think McCain Feingold and all the phone numbers these lefties in California have to go harrass supporters of Prop 8. Thank McCain Feingold for that. Those numbers should not be available. But I digress.

Until the Republican Party actually has conservative ideals and puts up candidates that support and commit to following through with those ideals AND can clearly fight for those ideals (against the left when confronted) as well as clearly sell those ideals to the American people as any smart large organization that wants to exist has to do these days.

They are considered the enemy from within. Look at what happened with the spending and all the old guys that are near death that are put up as candidates. It is time to modernize the GOP and go back to its conservative roots--define them--and sell them through the best PR around and also candidates that act as such. Until then. Until I see movement in this direction I will NOT consider the a solution. They are gutless right now and shameful.

11 posted on 11/21/2008 10:48:11 AM PST by GOP Poet
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To: jazusamo

>>So there is not only distrust of the mainstream media but also positive and intense hatred for what it is and what it is doing.
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>He’s right on the mark with that.

There’s also an intense hatred and distrust of our politicians, all of them, in congress and state... and if anybody ISN’T sickened by the “Recount until the loser wins” (Minnesota, NM last election cycle) they ought to be; in a corrupt election, nobody’s vote counts.

Also, at what point is the military-man to put his foot down and say, “F-ck You!” to these fools who are destroying the Constitution that he’s sworn to protect? If a lower-enlisted, or even most NCOs and junior officers, said it it would be considered improper and insubordinate; and yet, the officers that ARE in the positions of authority to say it, are too embroiled in politics to do anything!


12 posted on 11/21/2008 10:49:42 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: jazusamo
He's right on the mark with that.

Yes. Such a refreshing article. I am also glad he took many points that Murdock made and elaborated and dissected then even further. I had many of these thoughts as I read what Murdock has said--but just didn't know it until this gentleman articulated then so nicely :-). I also love that the author is solution focused and with such solid but simple directives. Refreshing indeed. Motivates me to support these orgs and the media he lists. Although he missed one--Free Republic :-D.

I often wonder if the authors of these article surf the web to read comments regarding their articles on the blogs. As a writer I am sure many of them do, if not at work, in the hours that follow at home tucked in bed with their jammies--LOL--where they most likely wrote some of these--if not where they first jotted these thoughts down.

If this is the case for this fellow (not the jammies, but the checking of comments I say--Awesome job my friend. Way to push the envelope on already poignant news (Murdock and his incisive analysis of the MSM) and to propose clearly defined solutions to your readers that actually will make a change.

13 posted on 11/21/2008 10:58:36 AM PST by GOP Poet
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To: GOP Poet
It is time to modernize the GOP and go back to its conservative roots--define them--and sell them through the best PR around and also candidates that act as such.

Good post and I especially agree with the above.

14 posted on 11/21/2008 10:59:24 AM PST by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: GOP Poet

I disagree. If there were such a vast distrust of the MSM then the majority of the country would stop watching the network news. But that’s not the case. The majority of Americans get their news from ABC, CBS and NBC. This is spoon feeding blatant socialist propaganda to the masses especially younger generation. If there are no oversight or consequences to them for what they spew, plan on just getting ready for the collapse in complete free fall right now.


15 posted on 11/21/2008 11:02:17 AM PST by Integrityrocks
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To: jazusamo
This is an excellent article, albeit a bit lengthy. It is well worth the read. I have but on comment, regarding the following statement.

Fifth, support the Republican Party and other voices of opposition that provide the kind of information that the mainstream media ignores. You have to put your money where your mouth is to assure that the public gets both sides of the ongoing political controversies.

Do not support the Republican Party because it provides the kind of information that the MSM ignores. Support the party only if its values and beliefs are in line with yours. The party does need to gets its message out, but it first needs to determine what its message is. I do not fault entirely the MSM for the current state of the Republicans.

16 posted on 11/21/2008 11:04:35 AM PST by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: Integrityrocks
"The majority of Americans get their news from ABC, CBS and NBC"

Not so -- their news shows only average around 20-22 million viewers combined. More than that may watch some nights since not everyone watches every time, but that is far far short of a "majority of Americans".......

If you add in all MSM sources such as newspapers etc. it's a lot more but the alphabet networks do not control the agenda the way they once did. Still, they do enjoy far more influence than they should.... same can be said for the "agenda-setting" NY Times and WaPo, of course.

17 posted on 11/21/2008 11:05:34 AM PST by Enchante (Thanks, Mediascum, you "elected" your candidate and now the country will pay....)
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To: GOP Poet

See post 16. I should have read your comment before I spent time articulating what you just said!


18 posted on 11/21/2008 11:05:59 AM PST by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: OneWingedShark
Agreed and you didn't mention the fiasco of the Gregoire/Rossi recount four years ago. Oops, I meant recounts!

This coming four years will be a test of the dedication of our fine military, hopefully they will endure and overcome.

19 posted on 11/21/2008 11:06:23 AM PST by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: mlocher

Many of us are on the same wavelength. :)


20 posted on 11/21/2008 11:10:17 AM PST by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

Once upon a time Newpapers were very partisan & almost captive of either major political party. Then competition forced the newspapers to invent the concept of “objectivity” in News reporting in an effort to grow readership & thrive. But then Radio, TV, Cable TV & the Internet came along delivering a flurry of punches to readership. Now the newspaper industry has lost confidence in “impartiality & objectivity” even though they still make those claims. In reality, they are emulating the partisanship & contentiousness of Talk Radio & Internet Blogs in an effort to compete with them... and their still losing readership.

The physical print Media is a money-losing dinosaur because they can be cost-competitive in News delivery, and they can’t figure out a way to get compensated for their basic News reporting function (what little of it that they still do.)


21 posted on 11/21/2008 11:13:17 AM PST by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: jazusamo

>This coming four years will be a test of the dedication of our fine military, hopefully they will endure and overcome.

F* that! I want these slime-dogs, these powerful-corrupt, gone and out! I want Justice to be applied uniformly, and not like, say Franklin Rains who embezzled $90 Million and was let go with a slap on the wrist and a $1 Million fine!

How much would you or I get if we stole say, $10,000 in government funds? Or even in private funds?

Maybe the doom-sayers are right and we are headed for Civ War 2, is so, I can only hope that it will clean things out and these super-corrupt politicians will be hung for the treasons against their own country that they are committing every day.


22 posted on 11/21/2008 11:17:11 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: jazusamo
The public doesn't want to read Pravda or the writing, raving and ranting of a Joseph Goebbels-type that tells the big lie to make his points.

It's not clear to me that this is so. If it were true, how do you explain Blogging, the Daily Kos, and even (here it comes) FreeRepublic.

We may not be emblematic of the public as a whole, but I find people who don't actively seek their News to be generally ignorant of current events & basic civics. Witness Jay Leno's "Jaywalking" segment.

23 posted on 11/21/2008 11:18:57 AM PST by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: jazusamo
Very good article.

One thing not mentioned is the late night comics like Leno and Letterman. They have a hand in creating negative images of Bush, McCain, Palin,,,etc., by the biased jokes they tell.

24 posted on 11/21/2008 11:19:42 AM PST by TruthWillWin
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To: jazusamo
I have been thinking a lot about the what do we do about the media bias problem. While the ideas suggested here are good, there is a step “A” that is missing.

I am for free speech. I prefer a positive approach (providing alternatives that solve problems) rather than a negative approach (giving up). I believe that Government should not be involved in controlling free speech. I also believe that there should be transparency between what a news organization says they are (non-biased)and what they really report.

I propose a news media rating system based on the model in use by the Motion Picture Association of America in rating movies. Every TV news organization, Newspaper, radio station, blogger, etc. could register to become a member. There would be two ways to register:
1. Partisan. For a small fee (to cover expenses) and the submission of a position statement anyone could register as a partisan. The position statement would be available for anyone to view on the organization's website. Talk radio like Rush, Hannity, Air America would fall into this category. Web-based partisan sites like Free Republic, Democratic Underground etc. would also fall into this category.
2. Journalistic News. To be certified in this category a news organization would open themselves up to scrutiny from the Association. This could be in the form of an “A-F” rating scale in terms of bias. The rank would appear as an icon on TV or web or print, or an announcement on the radio. Even the reporters could all be ranked by bias (most biased to least). The organization could contract with organizations like MRC and FAIR to provide evidence for the rating. Perhaps the political parties could appoint members to the review board.

With this scale, when people are reading, watching, or listening to a news program, they would know whether it is partisan or journalism. They could find out either the political position or the relative amount of bias of the source.

Once this idea is further developed and ready, then the steps outlined in the articles would help put it in place. News organizations could be boycotted and protested until they join. Political figures could refuse to be interviewed or appear on a broadcast until the news organization join.

I believe that both conservatives and liberals could support this idea. I believe this supports free speech. This keeps the government out of it.

25 posted on 11/21/2008 11:21:49 AM PST by rightsmart
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To: jazusamo
A detroit radio station called the Kenyan embassy after the election of Obama. After a lot of trouble they get through to the ambassador of Kenya.

The ambassador of Kenya says that obama was born in Kenya and that his birth place has become a national shrine.

Listen to the recording here

Be sure to download it as well. The chances of it remaining online for long is remote.
26 posted on 11/21/2008 11:23:23 AM PST by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: Tallguy; conservatism_IS_compassion
Good post. If you haven't already read a piece by cIc it is well written and a very good piece on the print media from its start in our country.

The Right to Know

27 posted on 11/21/2008 11:24:51 AM PST by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: OneWingedShark

Don’t misunderstand me, I want the slime-dogs gone also. I was saying we and our military are stuck for at least the next four years with BHO. We have to concentrate on removing as many of the slimes as we can in two years.


28 posted on 11/21/2008 11:29:22 AM PST by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

First, before we do anything else, we need to force congress to rescind Al Gores’s telecommunications act of 1996. There will be no free press again in this country until that’s done.

If we boycott and bankrupt the so called American news agencies, they’ll only be sold outright to foreign owners (thanks to “free trade” and the telecomm act), who will not allow news to take proAmerican pro independent American pro indivdiual rights views at all. If its Saudis who buy it you’ll get pro Saudi pro islam pro shariah law news. If it Europeans you will get anti first world pro socialism views (because they have been bought out by the islamists), if its china, you’ll get chinese propoganda news.

In no way will you ever get anything that will reflect the heart of America and American values and ideals ever again.

The idea that our news will come from foreign companies or government is not repellent to our congress or the white house, and with so much foreign influence they are about to wipe America and American culture off the global map.


29 posted on 11/21/2008 11:29:32 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: jazusamo
It takes no special genius to point out that if you are contemptuous of your customers, you are going to have a hard time getting them to buy your product.

Somehow the NFL seems exempt from this rule.

30 posted on 11/21/2008 11:31:49 AM PST by relictele
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To: Tallguy

Leno’s “Jaywalking” and other segments like it reflect how utterly ignorant many people are to the point they almost seem staged though I know they’re not but I see your point.


31 posted on 11/21/2008 11:34:44 AM PST by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: rightsmart

That’s something to think about. As for media free speech check the link at post 27.


32 posted on 11/21/2008 11:40:14 AM PST by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: ckilmer

Thanks for linking that and will get back to listen as soon as I can.


33 posted on 11/21/2008 11:44:18 AM PST by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k6KUDv1wzraWhwlBt1

Our current media bears little difference from the old Soviet Union.

20 years ago Russians I knew laughed at the media as it differed little from the country they escaped, they were conservative to the core and successful in America.

They told me how they lived in Russia and how when they were driving through neighborhoods in America that they couldn’t believe all of the houses. We have at least half the country now that doesn’t understand how lucky they are to live here and can do nothing but point out America’s faults.


34 posted on 11/21/2008 11:46:23 AM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: mlocher
LOL. You know what they say about great minds . . . :-). I read your comments and smiled. You added something too. Which is to support a party because it holds your values.

It is a odd happening that once a party holds the presidential office, it often forgets and even seemingly ignores and discards the inspiration (that was usually sold nice enough in the campaign season to get the candidate a win--in our last case George Bush the first round 2000. The second 2004 was about keeping him in.) that got him in the office in the first place.

President Bush--love him or resent him or both-- discarded fiscal conservatism and along with him so did the stand by the GOP. Why is this? To a certain extent there is the issue of not wanting to undermine the so called 'leader of our party'. Why call the president the leader of our party at that stage though? I think that is a mistake as now he is the leader of all Americans and has another responsibility as much as we would like to see our Republican presidents tow seamlessly the party line and make it alive in law and deed. Except for Reagan they rarely have. So maybe we need to change such a title--most likely given by the MSMediots anyway.

I wonder if the party fades back into the woodwork during these times and instead veers according to condition as opposed to holds steady with its ideals molding instead the sell of the 'product' to fit the need of the day. The product itself should not change much at all, maybe shifts in certain types of platforms, but there should be fundamental truths regarding the party and one of those should ALWAYS be fiscal conservatism and responsibly, less government in our lives, and upholding the traditional interpretation of the constitution as opposed to changing as one sees fit to fit their new degrading morals (or old for some.) The cross fertilization can work against the party if the president veers away from core ideals and maybe in the future we need to steel ourselves against such cross fertilization and instead strengthen the media campaign ourselves toward selling our product absent of the president and in fact in a way that pushes the president toward our side.

After all Reagan knew to go directly to the American people if he couldn't sell it there in Washington and the GOP needs to know this works as well and make it difficult for even its own party's president to get away with such great discard of core values. In the end the president will be gone, but the party will live in and it must be self contained.

Your comment spurned new consideration and served to remind. These political parties we choose mostly because of the ideals they espouse along with the values they uphold (UH--in a perfect world--UGH!)

I call all this out as I feel it is time to make certain changes in structures and behaviors that work against the fulfillment of carrying our ideals to the public and seeing them carried out over the long term--not seemingly ever changing to just win election. It is the sell that should change. The focus to what is current. Not the disposal of ideals that are fundamental. Sort of like many of us view the upholding of our constitution over time.

35 posted on 11/21/2008 11:51:06 AM PST by GOP Poet
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To: TruthWillWin
They have a hand in creating negative images of Bush, McCain, Palin,,,etc., by the biased jokes they tell.

Very good point. Other than tuning in a few times this year to see just how obnoxious they are I haven't watched them for years because of that.

36 posted on 11/21/2008 11:52:16 AM PST by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: word_warrior_bob

Thanks for linking the Yuri Bezmenov video, it’s a very good piece.

You’re correct about the nearly fifty percent of Americans that don’t know how well off they are living here. They’ve grown up having most everything handed to them not realizing the rest of the world is not like that.


37 posted on 11/21/2008 11:57:44 AM PST by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo; conservatism_IS_compassion

Great article!


38 posted on 11/21/2008 11:59:14 AM PST by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: TruthWillWin; jazusamo
Toss in the bulk of popular culture as well. Add daytime brain dead babe shows, K-12 schools, academia and the average person is surrounded by negative stereotypes of pubbies in general and conservatives in particular.

Come to think of it, it is something of a wonder that there are pubbies in Congress at all.

39 posted on 11/21/2008 12:03:46 PM PST by Jacquerie (Islam - A barbaric political system in religious drag.)
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To: TruthWillWin
One thing not mentioned is the late night comics like Leno and Letterman. They have a hand in creating negative images of Bush, McCain, Palin,,,etc., by the biased jokes they tell.

Great point! This is important. It was so out of hand and over the top this time. Such a violation. Once again reminding me that the new GOP themselves must have pit bull element. One that can fight in both a direct and a holistic way (positive press etc, positive selling of ideals of the candidates that fit the party and why this is important) this sort of unfairness and attacks on the soul of the candidates as the liberal media did at every turn to President Bush and to Sarah Palin.

President Bush though needed a pit bull who confronted this in his office. The GOP should have their own office too, but once one is in office it is clearly critical that Republican candidates going forward must stop this, counteract this, or minimize it within and we can support as best we can from without.

These partisan attacks unfortunately will also get worse. If one can imagine there is any area to get worse in.

40 posted on 11/21/2008 12:06:52 PM PST by GOP Poet
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To: jazusamo
I disagree, I think that our politicians present a danger to the US and are treasonous by way of giving aid and comfort to our enemies.

If nothing else, there is a horrendous amount of injustice as exemplified by: Fannie Mae / Freddie Mac (along w/ political connections), the "bailout" along with its own political connections, the "recounts", the lack of news/prosecution of ACORN, the lack of verification of credentials of Pr. Elect Obama.

Do you honestly think that these wrongs will be righted by the government? Do you think ANY good will come from the military just bending over and taking it in the @$$? Do you honestly believe that there is any good/just person in government?

Remember, God would have saved Sodom and Gomorrah if only TEN righteous men were found.

41 posted on 11/21/2008 12:07:21 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

>Saved as in spared.


42 posted on 11/21/2008 12:07:59 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: GOP Poet
President Bush--love him or resent him or both-- discarded fiscal conservatism and along with him so did the stand by the GOP.

Was GWB ever a fiscal conservative? He called himself a "compassionate conservative". At the time I thought it was an interesting way of 'selling' conservatism being truly compassionate -- which it undeniably is. However now I'm thinking that it was a sub-rosa communication to the mushy-middle voters that it was "OK to vote for the Republican."

43 posted on 11/21/2008 12:30:29 PM PST by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: TruthWillWin

Beyond the bias of Leno and Letterman, most college students get their political info from Jon Stewart (Lebovitz) and Stephen Colbert, and they think that they are informed. They have no idea that they are hearing one-sided arguments. These college students are our future voters. Scary!!


44 posted on 11/21/2008 12:36:18 PM PST by DeweyCA
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To: GOP Poet
there should be fundamental truths regarding the party and one of those should ALWAYS be fiscal conservatism and responsibly, less government in our lives, and upholding the traditional interpretation of the constitution as opposed to changing as one sees fit to fit their new degrading morals

Excellent thoughts and an even better job of putting them to words! This is the one line, though, that most resonated with me. I could not agree with it more. Your comments on Bush ring so true. Personally, I love the guy because of his war on terror. He tried to hold the rate of spending growth down and did increase tax revenues with tax cuts, but the last several months showed that he sold out his principles.

I see two problems. First is within Washington. There are way too many special interest groups that want their entitlements and favors. Trying to beat back the hand of special interest welfare (or entitlements) is a daunting task and one that can easily burn out a group. Let's face it, change requires not only courage, but perseverence. As politicians desire longevity, the will to go against the stream can fade.

Secondly, the people themselves tend to vote in their self interests. Who does not like to vote themselves free goodies? The more problems we have as a nation, the more we tend to rely on gov't for the solution. As you know, that may make the situation better in the short term, but it certainly has severe long term ramifications.

As you so aptly pointed out, the party is bigger than any one person, including the president. Fighting against the tsunami of liberalism does burn people out. That is why there is a great need to have the core principles, or fundamental truths, ingrained in the party and its platform. The party needs to function regardless of who holds what positions.

Fortunately, most Americans are not stupid. If things get bad economically under a socialist Obama regime, then I suspect that people will vote the bum, and hopefully the political dogma, out of office. It will take a core set of fundamental truths and the courage to point out how these truths will fix economic malaise to put the GOP back in power.

Have a great weekend! I have greatly enjoyed reading your well thought out comments!

45 posted on 11/21/2008 1:17:43 PM PST by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: jazusamo

I expect The Columbian to fold any day now. I understand that Clark County has become slightly more Conservative with the influx of unhappy Californians. Just wait until the Arizonians arrive! :)


46 posted on 11/21/2008 1:24:26 PM PST by Paperdoll (On the cutting edge.)
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To: Paperdoll
I expect The Columbian to fold any day now.

It wouldn't surprise me at all, they're in bad financial straights. Last night I sat down with the wife to watch the 11 PM local news, KATU Ch 2 and at the end of one of the stories the announcer said something to the effect we could check out the full story in the morning edition of The Columbian then something else about the paper. It seemed that it was a bit much not to be a paid plug by The Columbian but maybe it wasn't.

47 posted on 11/21/2008 1:33:26 PM PST by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

Thanks!

MSM is just the DNC press corps.

I LOVE hearing of jobs cuts in their ranks.

Especially right before Christmas.


48 posted on 11/21/2008 2:55:01 PM PST by NoLibZone (Obams success proves that Ayers type violence is respected by the left. Let's do likewise.)
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To: JamesP81
"If Democracy is what the MSM was destroying, I'd be perfectly OK with it. But they're not trying to destroy democracy, they're trying to institute it by destroying the Republic."

BINGO! That's the very distinction that leapt into my head when I read the title, and I was compelled to remark to that effect, but see that you beat me to it. Very well done.

49 posted on 11/21/2008 3:00:01 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: mlocher
Great points all around and also had to agree with your points on Bush. Overall he was dogged in holding down the fort in specific areas and doesn't get a whole lot of acknowledgment.

I also agree about a love for the guy regarding his commitment and serious gonads to push through aggressive and effective terrorism policies. Plus he still makes my husband and I laugh and even tear up on occasion. There is a nearly instinctive care for this man and a protectiveness--most likely stemming from the horrendous, completely undeserved, disrespectful treatment from the left loons.

You had lots of wisdom too that you articulated incisively in your post. Points that I had not considered such as the entitlements, favors, lobbying etc. It is funny as as much as I was harshing on McCain in my earlier post, I do believe if he did nothing else as president he may have been able to make some headway here--unfortunately knowing him it would work out in the end to hurt R's more than D's--call me cynical--LOL.

Let's face it, change requires not only courage, but perseverence.

Another pearl of wisdom overall and a great reminder going forward as we figure out how the GOP is going to define and go after the future.

I have enjoy the exchange of ideas, analysis, and your thoughtful posts as well. Have an excellent weekend! :-D

50 posted on 11/21/2008 4:01:16 PM PST by GOP Poet
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