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The Culture of Conspiracy [JFK assassination and media whitewashing/deflection of commie angle]
Wall Street Journal (2007) ^ | NOVEMBER 24, 2007 | JAMES PIERESON

Posted on 11/22/2008 6:02:05 AM PST by ETL

This week is the anniversary of the tragic day in 1963 [11/22/63, 35 years ago today] when John F. Kennedy was assassinated on the streets of Dallas. Looking back, we can see that Kennedy's death marked a turning point, when the political consensus of the time gave way to the confrontational politics that we associate with the 1960s. The upheavals that followed -- along with the bitter partisanship that disfigured political life in the last third of the century, and whose echoes we still hear today -- can be traced back to that day in Dallas.

The terrorist attack of Sept. 11, 2001, is the only other event in the modern era that compares with the Kennedy assassination in terms of its shattering impact on public opinion. And there are parallels: The 9/11 attacks, like the Kennedy case, stimulated conspiracy theories claiming that either the U.S. government knew what was coming, or that somehow America itself was responsible.

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From the same WSJ article:

Oswald was a dedicated communist who had defected to the Soviet Union in 1959 out of disgust with American capitalism. After becoming disillusioned with Soviet life, he returned to the U.S. in 1962. In early 1963, he bought a scoped rifle through the mail and soon used it to fire a shot (which missed) at retired general Edwin Walker, the head of the John Birch Society in Dallas. In the summer of 1963, Oswald was active in street demonstrations in support of Castro. In September 1963, he visited the Soviet and Cuban embassies in Mexico City seeking a travel visa that would allow him to travel to Cuba.

Oswald was among the radicals of the time who saw Third World revolutionaries like Castro as the wave of the communist future. He was well aware of Kennedy's efforts to overthrow Castro's regime. As a Senate investigative committee suggested in 1975, Oswald shot Kennedy to interrupt his administration's plans to assassinate Castro or to overthrow his regime in Cuba.

Ignoring Oswald's communist links, journalists and political leaders quickly claimed the president was a martyr to civil rights. Earl Warren said that Kennedy had "suffered martyrdom as a result of the hatred and bitterness that has been injected into the life of our nation by bigots." Martin Luther King said the assassination had to be viewed against the backdrop of violence against civil rights marchers in the South. James Reston wrote in the New York Times that "something in the nation itself, some strain of madness and violence, had destroyed the highest symbol of law and order."

The consensus opinion was that Kennedy was a victim of hate and bigotry, a casualty of his support for civil rights. The Cold War and Kennedy's ongoing feud with Castro were rarely mentioned as factors behind the assassination. The reasons? Mrs. Kennedy wanted her husband remembered as a modern-day Abraham Lincoln. Lyndon Johnson feared complicating relations with the Soviet Union. Liberals feared a replay of the McCarthy period, when the Wisconsin senator inflamed public opinion about fears of domestic communism.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119586848318702756.html

1 posted on 11/22/2008 6:02:05 AM PST by ETL
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To: All
er, make that 45 years old today.
2 posted on 11/22/2008 6:03:33 AM PST by ETL (Smoking gun evidence on ALL the ObamaRat-commie connections at my newly revised FR Home/About page)
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To: All
er, make that 45 years old today.

Rather, "45 years AGO today.

Geez, I think I'll go back to bed! Wuz up late last night.

3 posted on 11/22/2008 6:05:52 AM PST by ETL (Smoking gun evidence on ALL the ObamaRat-commie connections at my newly revised FR Home/About page)
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To: ETL

You shouldn’t have made the correction. For a moment, I felt 10 years younger.


4 posted on 11/22/2008 6:10:12 AM PST by Ragnar54
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To: ETL

I remember the blame game very well although I was just a Sophomore in high school. Even back then it struck me as very dishonest of the media to blame white southerners for the assassination.

I guess Oswald technically was a white Southerner but he was the exact opposite of the persona created by the media. His beliefs were the antithesis of White Southerners but it didn’t matter. Also a lot of blame given to gun owners and they used that to pass the Gun Control Act of 1968.


5 posted on 11/22/2008 6:15:10 AM PST by yarddog
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To: ETL
First, the heyday of the John Birch Society was in the 1950's and it was official US Government policy that there was an International Communist Conspiracy out to overthrow the American Way. In 1934, the NY liberal Democrat, Samuel Dickstein founded the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC) in order to tie Republicans with the Nazi's and the German-American Bund. In the earlier 1920's, the FBI and the Attorney General ran notorious Red Raids to go after Communists and literally shipped them back to Europe.

The idea that only in recent American History there'd been conspiracy theories and a partisan divide is foolish nonsense.

6 posted on 11/22/2008 6:16:56 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (Barack Obama, the American Salvador Allende.)
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To: All
Here's an interesting piece on Oswald from Wikipedia. It appears to be well referenced, so don't dismiss it just because it's from Wiki. A lot of their pieces are excellent. They are often more informative and accurate than many mainstream media sources.

Lee Harvey Oswald
From Wikipedia (with lots of references at site) :

Around the age of fifteen, he became an ardent Marxist solely from his private reading on the topic. He wrote in his diary, "I was looking for a key to my environment, and then I discovered socialist literature. I had to dig for my books in the back dusty shelves of libraries."[13] At 16 he wrote to the Socialist Party of America, stating that he was a Marxist who had been studying socialist principles for "well over fifteen months," and asked for information about their youth league.[14]

While in the Marines, Oswald was trained in the use of the M1 Garand rifle. Following that training, he was tested in December of 1956, and obtained a score of 212, which was 2 points above the minimum for qualifications as a sharpshooter. In May 1959, on another range, Oswald scored 191, which was 1 point over the minimum for ranking as a marksman.[17]

Small and frail compared to the other Marines, he was nicknamed Ozzie Rabbit after the cartoon character. His shyness and Soviet sympathies alienated him from his fellow Marines. Ostracism only seemed to provoke him into being a stauncher, more outspoken communist. For his steadfast beliefs, his nickname ultimately became Oswaldskovich.

Life in the Soviet Union

In October 1959, Oswald immigrated to the Soviet Union. He was nineteen, and the trip was planned well in advance. Along with having taught himself rudimentary Russian, he had saved $1,500 of his Marine Corps salary,[19] got an early "hardship" discharge by (falsely) claiming he needed to care for his injured mother,[20] got a passport, and submitted several fictional applications to foreign universities in order to obtain a student visa (and possibly help avoid Marine Corps reserve duty).

After spending only three days with his mother in Fort Worth, he departed by ship from New Orleans on September 20, 1959, for the Soviet Union, first arriving in Le Havre in France, then to London,England and eventually Oswald to a Finnair flight to Helsinki, Finland as part of a package tour. Oswald landed to Helsinki airport in October 10 at 23.30 a.m. he registered at the Hotel Torni but two days later , he moved to the Kurki Hotel.Oswald applied for a visa at the embassy on October 12, his first business day in Helsinki. Oswalds visa was issued on October 14. It was valid until October 20 and permitted him to take one trip of not more than 6 days to the Soviet Union. He left from Helsinki Central Railway Station by train next day on October 15 to Moscow and when he crossed the Finnish-Russian border at Vainikkala, he arrived to Moscow on October 16." [21] When he arrived in the Soviet Union and showed up unexpectedly at the Embassy in Moscow, he said he wanted to renounce his U.S. citizenship.[22][23] When the Navy Department learned of this, it changed Oswald's Marine Corps discharge from "hardship/honorable" to "undesirable."[24]

Oswald told a reporter in Moscow, "For two years I've had it in my mind, don't form any attachments, because I knew I was going away. I was planning to divest myself of everything to do with the United States."[25] To another reporter he said, "I would not consider returning to the United States," and referred to the Soviet government as "my government."[26] His wish to remain in the Soviet Union was initially applauded by the Soviets, but although he had some technical knowledge acquired in the Marines they soon discovered he had little of real value to offer the Soviet Union and his application for Soviet residency was rejected.[27] In response, Oswald made a bloody but minor cut to his left wrist in his hotel room bathtub. After bandaging his superficial injury, the cautious Soviets kept him under psychiatric observation at the Botkin Hospital.[28][29] Although this attempt may have been no more than an attention-getting ruse, the Soviet government feared an international incident if he were to attempt something similar again.

New Orleans

Oswald returned to New Orleans, arriving on the morning of April 25, 1963 looking for work. After Oswald got a job as a machinery greaser with the Reily Coffee Company in May, Marina was driven there by family friend Ruth Paine. Oswald was fired for inefficiency and dereliction of duty on July 19.

During this period, Oswald began to consider returning to the Soviet Union or going to Cuba.[57] He had Marina write to the Soviet Embassy in Washington, D.C. about the possibility of their returning to the Soviet Union.[58] His Marxist ideals became focused on Fidel Castro and Cuba and he soon became a vocal pro-Castro advocate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Harvey_Oswald

7 posted on 11/22/2008 6:18:12 AM PST by ETL (Smoking gun evidence on ALL the ObamaRat-commie connections at my newly revised FR Home/About page)
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To: ETL

Nor was LHO the only lefty assassin in US history.


8 posted on 11/22/2008 6:20:21 AM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Stop feeding Leftist education systems. Don't let your kids go there.)
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To: ETL

A coup d’etat that succeeded.


9 posted on 11/22/2008 6:23:19 AM PST by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: ETL
The irony is that JFK was under great pressure from the civil rights movement for not acting strongly enough to end segregation.
10 posted on 11/22/2008 6:30:33 AM PST by quadrant (1o)
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To: ETL

Did anyone see the recent Discovery Channel show on the assassination? It was pretty hard to watch, but they took replica heads and had a sharpshooter (armed with a Mannlicher-Carcano rifle) hit them from various angles based on the locations of possible shooters around Dealey Plaza, including the grassy knoll.

The only shot that produced an exact Zapruder-like plume of stuff from the fake head was the one from the equivalent of the sixth-floor depository window. It was the most convincing thing I’ve ever seen on the assassination.


11 posted on 11/22/2008 6:41:43 AM PST by denydenydeny ("Banish Merry Christmas. Get ready for Mad Max.."-Daniel Henninger)
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To: ETL

I turned fifteen on that day (I did the math. Help.). It was the end of gym class when the coach got us into formation and announced the terrible news. That night Huntley-Brinkley was already describing JFK’s trip to Dallas as a descent into hostile territory. The speculation began when Jack Ruby gunned down Oswald.

Just my two kopeks, but it looks like the only conspiracy was Oswald’s, i.e., to guarantee his entry into the history books. I recall the Soviets expressed deep sorrow at the time. And why not? Kennedy was worth far more to them alive than dead, in Khrushchev’s view.

Oswald was such a loser that the Soviets practically kicked him out of the USSR (still don’t know why they provided him a Russian wife).

IMHO, that’s one more way that this nation of ours is blessed: every assassination or attempt on a President’s life has been carried out by nut job loners not privy to any wider conspiracy.

John Wilkes Booth: he and three other Rebs were going to murder not only Lincoln but his entire Cabinet? Right.

Charles Guiteau: disgruntled office seeker.

Leon Czolgocz: lone anarchist.

Lee Harvey Oswald: see above.

Squeeky Fromme: demented cultist. The other would-be assassin equally deranged.

John Hinckley: tried to assassinate Ronald Reagan just to impress Jodi Foster, so it’s said.

Best now to concentrate on Al-Qaeda. Now THAT’S a grand conspiracy, with a cast of many thousands!


12 posted on 11/22/2008 6:49:52 AM PST by elcid1970 ("O Muslim! My cartridges are dipped in pig grease!")
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To: ETL
Marita Lorenz, Frank Sturgis & E Howard Hunt.

(The last two names should ring a bell)

13 posted on 11/22/2008 6:51:32 AM PST by Condor51 (Obama believes in Karl Marx. I believe in Sun Tzu.)
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To: Condor51

I know some decedents of the Mob in Chicago who believe that the Mob killed JFK. Pay back for going after the Unions. After lots of support from the mob and Chicago machine to get elected..he and RFK turned on them.
The question is..how did they manipulate Oswald?


14 posted on 11/22/2008 6:55:23 AM PST by Oldexpat (Drill Here, Drill There..we must drill everywhere.)
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To: denydenydeny
The news media has never printed the facts of the assassination so most people get their “facts” from Oliver Stone. The guilty party by far is the Dallas Morning News. Every November, they drag out the same garbage to continue the carnival atmosphere of Dealy Plaza.

The writer of the movie, “JFK” is always there on every Sunday. He's mostly ignored. The mouth pieces are the homeless bums who get five dollars for saying things like there were six shooters behind the fence. If you say anything to contradict them, they start screaming at you.

On the eleventh of every month, the 9-11 truthers show up. It's a zoo.

15 posted on 11/22/2008 6:56:51 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: ETL

Ice Bullet Killed Kennedy

An anonymous physicist on the internet has pieced together an interesting set of circumstances and arrived at a curious conclusion: the driver of the presidential limousine probably killed President Kennedy with an ice bullet coated with shellfish poison that fateful day in November, 1963.

Here’s how it happened:

As the car carrying Kennedy rounded the curve near the book depository, the secret service driver slowed the car, turned around and fired one shot from a handgun at the president. He missed.

Trying to shot while driving, though, is tricky. This first errant shot accounts for the wounds to the passengers.

Those passengers, Gov. Connally and his wife, who were riding in the front seat and obviously in on the assassination plot, shouted duck, and dived down to the floorboard so the driver could swing his pistol over and around the couple and get a clear shot.

But the Connallys weren’t fast enough - the agent’s first bullet went wild and he accidentally shot Connally. However, Connally wasn’t a shellfish, so he didn’t die from the poison-coated bullet. This errant first shot panicked the conspirators. Something needed to be done fast.

Now part II of the plot reveals an additional conspirator - the second secret service agent riding on the passenger side.

Realizing the plot needs more deliberation and care, the second agent yells at the driver to “Stop the damn car and shot him!”

So the driver brakes the car in the middle of the street, in front of 50,000 onlookers lining the presidential route, turns around a second time, takes careful aim and delivers the fatal shot. All this action has been cleverly omitted from the Zapruder assassination film except the gunsmoke from the agent’s gun.

This remarkable theory destroys the idea of a hidden assassin at the grassy knoll. He gets away.

This is not all, says the anonymous physicist. A careful investigation reveals the driver had brown hair at the airport. In the film, though, it can be seen that his hair has turned white, most likely from ice crystals falling on his head while loading the ice bullets in the freezer.

An FBI agent who witnessed the assassination tried to run to the car but another secret service agent knocks him out with a machinegun. This also passed unnoticed by thousands of bystanders, including a few hundred World War II veterans.

Meanwhile, our anonymous physicist reveals that he found George H. Bush at the book depository helping frame Lee Harvey Oswald. His son, George W. Bush, would later drop nuclear bombs on the Twin Towers on 9-11.

So there you have yet another theory behind the Kennedy assassination, done in by ice bullets coated with shellfish poison.

As for the presidential limousine, the Air Force picked up the car, loaded it onto a C5A and dropped it into the Atlantic Ocean, where it’s been floating on an iceburg since.


16 posted on 11/22/2008 6:58:21 AM PST by sergeantdave (We are now in the Age of the Idiot)
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To: Oldexpat
They didn't. You might as well ask if Jackie was angry at Jack for messing around with Marilyn, how did she manipulate Lee?
17 posted on 11/22/2008 7:01:42 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: sergeantdave

Thank you for that.

In exchange, please rent the movie, “Idiocracy”. It’s proof your tag line is correct.


18 posted on 11/22/2008 7:05:09 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: denydenydeny
Did anyone see the recent Discovery Channel show on the assassination?

I don't recall seeing that one, but there's a bogus movie/'documentary' on AMC (American Movie Classics) tonight about the event, I believe, starring Kevin Cosner and Donald Sutherland? Funny how it's always the commie left who get the roles in these types of films (Martin Sheen, etc).

For those of you too young to know, Donald Sutherland was part of Hanoi Jane's crew.

June, 1970 -- Kerry joins Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW), a national veterans group that is part of the Peoples Coalition for Peace and Justice. The PCPJ is a broad coalition of local and national organizations, including the Communist Party, USA, "committed to conducting demonstrations aimed at ending the war in Indochina, and poverty, racism and injustice at home." The VVAW, CCI and PCPJ all have headquarters at 156 Fifth Avenue in New York City. VVAW Executive Secretary Al Hubbard, a former Black Panther, is also on the coordinating committee of the PCPJ. Hubbard soon appoints Kerry to the VVAW's Executive Committee, bypassing the normal election process.
http://www.wintersoldier.com/index.php?topic=Timeline
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Photo (link below): "Jane Fonda and John Kerry at an anti-war rally in Valley Forge, Pa. (Leif Skoogfors/Corbis)"
(apparently, we are not permitted to directly post the Skoogfors/Corbis photo here?)

The photo is for real and different than the one above. Here is what Jane Fonda herself had to say about it:

"My reaction is that the American people have had it with the big lie. Any attempt to link Kerry to me and make him look bad with that connection is completely false. We were at a rally for veterans at the same time. I spoke, Donald Sutherland spoke, John Kerry spoke at the end. I don't even think we shook hands."

Source for the photo and quote:
http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/kerry.asp
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November 22, 1970 -- During a fund-raising tour for GI deserters, Vietnam Veterans Against the War and the Black Panthers, Jane Fonda is quoted in the Detroit Free Press as telling a University of Michigan audience:
"I would think that if you understood what communism was, you would hope, you would pray on your knees that we would someday become communist," and "The peace proposal of the Viet Cong is the only honorable, just, possible way to achieve peace in Vietnam."

January, 1971: Jane Fonda raises funds for the Winter Soldier Investigation through a series of benefit concerts. Participants include Fonda, Dick Gregory, Donald Sutherland, Graham Nash, David Crosby and Phil Ochs. Fonda is named Honorary National Coordinator of the event.

February 16, 1971: Jane Fonda and Donald Sutherland form "FTA" (F*** The Army), an anti-war, anti-American road show that tours near Army bases in order to undermine troop morale. Skits and songs portray American defeats, soldiers refusing to fight, and the murder of officers by their troops. FTA cast members mingle with soldiers after the shows, encouraging them to desert or to sabotage the Army.
http://www.wintersoldier.com/index.php?topic=Timeline
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Fonda made the following statement at the University of Texas:
"We've got to establish a Socialist economic structure that will limit private profit-oriented businesses. Whether the transition is peaceful depends on the way our present governmental leaders react. We must commit our lives to this transition ...... We should be very proud of our new breed of soldier. It's not organized but it's mutiny, and they have every right." --Karen Elliott Dallas Morning News December 11, 1971

From 1972: "I am not a do-gooder, I am a revolutionary. A revolutionary woman."

Source:
http://www.1stcavmedic.com/jane_fonda.htm
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19 posted on 11/22/2008 7:09:42 AM PST by ETL (Smoking gun evidence on ALL the ObamaRat-commie connections at my newly revised FR Home/About page)
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To: All

Seems we’re ignoring the strong commie angle as well. Looks like the media whitewashing was successful.


20 posted on 11/22/2008 7:17:25 AM PST by ETL (Smoking gun evidence on ALL the ObamaRat-commie connections at my newly revised FR Home/About page)
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To: Oldexpat
**** I know some decedents of the Mob in Chicago who believe that the Mob killed JFK. Pay back for going after the Unions. After lots of support from the mob and Chicago machine to get elected..he and RFK turned on them. ****

The ties between the Chicago Outfit and JFK where long and deep. Plus the Outfit and CIA 'had a thing'. And like Oswald, they don't/didn't like being a patsy (sucker) either.

Keep in mind, E Howard Hunt's wife, Dorothy, died in a 1972 Plane Crash while it was in its landing approach into Midway Airport (SW side of Chi). She had $10K in cash in her purse.

(I'll leave it at that.)

21 posted on 11/22/2008 7:23:03 AM PST by Condor51 (Obama believes in Karl Marx. I believe in Sun Tzu.)
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To: quadrant
JFK and the Southern Democrats, with whom the Holy Virgin and Martyr, St. John of Massachusetts, voted every time "Civil rights" came up, resisted the movement until he was President.

He (or his equally cynical entourage) then realized what an enormous source of votes jumping on the Civil Rights bandwagon could be. The Civil Rights parade was quite a way down the street when Marilyn's boyfriends started marching.

Also, most "assassination experts" inexplicably overlook LHO's sojourn in the USSR, seeming to completely buy the KGB story that they "had no interest" in him, which they floated via a series of defectors whose genuine-ness is still the subject of controversy. The internecine warfare over this point wrecked the CIA's effectiveness for quite a while

Me? I think Fidel was in it up to his eyeballs. I seriously consider the possibility that Fidel promised Carlos Marcello and Santo Traficante a better deal than the Kennedys and the CIA. Maybe payback for the Kennedy Brothers trying to bump him off.

Still doesn't solve anything, but it is true that the CIA had been penetrated by the DGI, the Cuban Intelligence Agency, which, although it generally is under everyone's radar, is right up there with the CIA and Mossad in the high level of professionalism in its activities.

22 posted on 11/22/2008 7:27:03 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (Looking forward to life under our new emperor, Skippy-o Africanus.)
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To: Condor51; Oldexpat
Pay back for going after the Unions.

Good grief.

23 posted on 11/22/2008 7:32:03 AM PST by ETL (Smoking gun evidence on ALL the ObamaRat-commie connections at my newly revised FR Home/About page)
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To: All

In our 6th annual JFK Assassination Special, a panel of experts including JFK Historian Lamar Waldron, and E. Howard Hunt’s son, Saint John Hunt will share startling new evidence as we close in on finding out who really murdered the late president.

AM Radio or Stream:

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/


24 posted on 11/22/2008 7:52:27 AM PST by msnpatriot
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To: ETL
***Pay back for going after the Unions. 'Good grief.'***

I didn't say that.
But there was 'payback' and it was a hit.

[I'll believe Arlen Spector's 'magic, PRISTINE, bullet theory' when pigs fly.]

25 posted on 11/22/2008 7:54:42 AM PST by Condor51 (Obama believes in Karl Marx. I believe in Sun Tzu.)
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To: Oldexpat
The question is..how did they manipulate Oswald?

Oswald had governemnt ties (informant, etc), he "looked" like the perfect assassin ie his defection and associations. I think it would have been easy to set him up by asking him to maybe....place a call at a certain time from the break room at the Depository, so that he'd think he was assisting in some sort of stake out....whatever. I think when he heard that JFK had been shot outside of the building where he worked, he KNEW he'd been set up. I think his actions after this realization are those of a frightened patsy. (why did a Dallas Police squad car stop and honk in front of Oswald's rooming house during the few minutes he was there?)

26 posted on 11/22/2008 7:55:43 AM PST by ALASKA (I feel more like I do today than I did yesterday.....)
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To: ETL
the nation itself was in some way responsible for Kennedy's death . . . National leaders and journalists interpreted [the assassination] in the context of the civil rights struggle -- rather than the Cold War. And this utter misinterpretation has had a damaging effect on Americans' image of themselves and their country.

That was the feeling of such ilk as the dean of journalism the leading Nytimese himself, James "Scotty" Reston. In general the liberals blamed the emerging modern conservative movement's criticism of JFK for causing Oswald to do it.

WE HAD A "FAIRNESS DOCTRINE" BACK THEN, FOLKS. NO MODERN TALK RADIO PERMITTED.

I knew that my memory still worked! See..

The consensus opinion was that Kennedy was a victim of hate and bigotry, a casualty of his support for civil rights. The Cold War and Kennedy's ongoing feud with Castro were rarely mentioned as factors behind the assassination. The reasons? Mrs. Kennedy wanted her husband remembered as a modern-day Abraham Lincoln. Lyndon Johnson feared complicating relations with the Soviet Union. Liberals feared a replay of the McCarthy period, when the Wisconsin senator inflamed public opinion about fears of domestic communism.

WE HAD A "FAIRNESS DOCTRINE" BACK THEN, FOLKS. NO MODERN TALK RADIO PERMITTED.

I did not personally see Walter "The North Vietnamese Communists' most trusted man in America" Cronkite's report but others say he said that Barry Goldwater was asked about the assassination and reacted with a hasty, "No comment." Cronkite was said to have apologized for the false report. That's the way it was. . .

27 posted on 11/22/2008 7:57:55 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Oldexpat

“Mob killed JFK”?Yrs back I read a book(can’t remember title)that postulates that same theory.Makes one think.I believe it’s “possible”.No doubt the mob was highly po’d when(AG Bobby?)started agressively pursuing the mafia.After all,from what i understand they were quite helpfull in getting JFK elected.Lots of mafia influence in Chicago,Boston,NYC,etc via unions.How to manipulate LHO?Not too hard imo.Classic example of a patsi.A little man-desperate for recognition-not to sharp-who was a loser to boot.Jack Ruby-long time mob associate-in turn silences LHO.


28 posted on 11/22/2008 8:00:28 AM PST by Thombo2
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To: Condor51

Let’s do an experiment. You hold a canned ham in front of you and I’ll shoot it with a rifle chambered with a 161 grain bullet traveling at 2000 feet a second.

You should be perfectly safe under your “theory”. You can even leave the canned ham in the can. Deal?

By the way, where are all your magic bullets that somehow hit at right angles, downwards, sideways and then disappeared?


29 posted on 11/22/2008 8:10:12 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: ALASKA

Three people saw Oswald shoot Kennedy from the window. That’s how they had his description for the police radios.

You nutters aren’t too bright. You pick a suspect without even knowing what happened. That’s how OJ missed his conviction.

By the way, it was a movie not a documentary.


30 posted on 11/22/2008 8:15:15 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: Shooter 2.5
I'm sorry, I'm confused. What theory?

Btw, being a shooter you should know or have an opinion on this;

What's the odds, chances, of hitting your target (in the black) that's about 200 feet away with a scoped rifle that was never 'zeroed'? (not even moving, just stationary).

Not trying to be a smart ___, just asking. It's been eons for me since I've fired a scoped rifle.

(I still have the standard iron sights on my two rifles. I keep puting off buying scopes, other things always come up.)

31 posted on 11/22/2008 8:24:25 AM PST by Condor51 (Obama believes in Karl Marx. I believe in Sun Tzu.)
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To: Condor51

Your “theory” that a 161 grain bullet traveling at 2000 feet a second can’t penetrate three inches of flesh.

Again, I ask. Where are all your bullets that traveled at right angles, downwards, sideways and then disappeared?

P.S. Oswald took his rifle to the Trinity River bottoms and also to a local gun range. The first shot that hit Kennedy was at 132 feet. That’s pistol range.


32 posted on 11/22/2008 8:44:39 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: Shooter 2.5
P.S. Oswald took his rifle to the Trinity River bottoms and also to a local gun range. The first shot that hit Kennedy was at 132 feet. That’s pistol range.

Just shows what one motivated Marine and his rifle can do.

33 posted on 11/22/2008 8:46:55 AM PST by dfwgator (I hate Illinois Marxists)
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To: Kenny Bunk
I miss your point, but I will say that Kennedy was not the “liberal” Democrat in the race for the 1960 presidential nomination. Humphrey and others were considered much more to the Left. Kennedy's principal interest was foreign policy. Once, he said that he did not run for president to spend his time worrying about the minimum wage, an issue dear to the Left but about which JFK was all but indifferent.
34 posted on 11/22/2008 8:47:41 AM PST by quadrant (1o)
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To: Thombo2
Psst ...

The Tears of Autumn by Charles McCarry published in 1975, has another "theory" as to who done it.

Something about the demise of Diem in the back of an APC; CIA led coupe d'tat, ...

35 posted on 11/22/2008 8:50:03 AM PST by jamaksin
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To: ETL

Both Kennedys were killed by Leftists. Its what they do.

Pray for W and Our Troops


36 posted on 11/22/2008 8:51:23 AM PST by bray (All thats left of my 401K is some Change and very little Hope.)
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To: Ragnar54

Me too. Now with the correction I feel I need a nap.


37 posted on 11/22/2008 8:51:24 AM PST by mcshot (Bitterly Loving God, Family, Life, Guns and our Constitution - as written!)
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To: Shooter 2.5
*** Your “theory” that a 161 grain bullet traveling at 2000 feet a second can’t penetrate three inches of flesh. ***

No that's not my theory. Maybe I stated something wrong, or left the wrong impression. Of Course that bullet could penetrate 3" of flesh.

*** Again, I ask. Where are all your bullets that traveled at right angles, downwards, sideways and then disappeared? ***

I'm sorry. I still don't understand what you mean by all that? What 'all bullets', 'right angles', 'sideways' etc.

Is it that I said I don't buy the 'Pristine, Single Bullet Theory' that Arlen Spector came up with?

38 posted on 11/22/2008 9:12:14 AM PST by Condor51 (Obama believes in Karl Marx. I believe in Sun Tzu.)
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To: Shooter 2.5

YOU nutters who don’t look at all the facts, completely trust the official version and do not look at it with an open mind are FAR FROM bright. You must not have read my post. If you are talking about the movie JFK, I completely agree that it is a movie ONLY. My opinion comes from reading a plethora of material on the subject AND talking to MANY of the people who were THERE that day, not an Oliver Stone movie. You don’t know what happened, I don’t know what happened. Sounds like you have one source. Run with that Doode. Brighten up!


39 posted on 11/22/2008 9:12:41 AM PST by ALASKA (I feel more like I do today than I did yesterday.....)
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To: ETL
JFK was killed by a lone communist kook; Oswald.

The left has never been able to come to terms that it was one of their own that did it...

So it must be a (right wing) conspiracy... this is no different then the 9/11 “conspiracy's” bs

40 posted on 11/22/2008 9:16:27 AM PST by tophat9000 ( Note: To Obama's Thugocracys... We are all " joe the plumber "...)
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To: Shooter 2.5
P.S. Oswald took his rifle to the Trinity River bottoms and also to a local gun range. The first shot that hit Kennedy was at 132 feet. That’s pistol range.

oops, almost forgot...

Thank you. First I heard of him at a gun range.

41 posted on 11/22/2008 9:19:17 AM PST by Condor51 (Obama believes in Karl Marx. I believe in Sun Tzu.)
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To: ALASKA

Calling a non conspiracy person a nutter - CHECK!

Believe like sheep the official version - CHECK!

I’ve read all the “material” (written by nuts and profiteers) - CHECK!

“Brighten Up” one last shot - CHECK!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSBXW1-VGmM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62gvoKyODu4


42 posted on 11/22/2008 9:19:48 AM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: Condor51

Watch the first video in post 42.

There was no “pristine” bullet, you’ve bought a LIE, the bullet was totally consistent with the damage done.

The single bullet that hit both men did just what a bullet does from a 6th floor window on the trajectory it followed, there was nothing magic about it.

See the frame by frame computer model with Kennedy and Connelly positioned exactly where they were using the Zapruder film.

You have been hoodwinked, you’ve been bamboozled.


43 posted on 11/22/2008 9:26:13 AM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: tophat9000
this is no different then the 9/11 “conspiracy's” bs

I strongly suspect the Russians had a hand in both the phony conspiracy theories and the actual acts themselves.

44 posted on 11/22/2008 9:27:03 AM PST by ETL (Smoking gun evidence on ALL the ObamaRat-commie connections at my newly revised FR Home/About page)
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To: Condor51

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szGciJo0iPo

Another video for you.


45 posted on 11/22/2008 9:29:03 AM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: ETL

The Russians had the LEAST motive to kill Kennedy, they knew he was a lightweight and that’s why they put the missiles in Cuba and took Kennedy to the cleaners in the negotiations. The re-writing of Kennedy backing down the Russians was a joke, they ran circles around him and were happy to have such an inexperienced rube in the White House.

Oswald killed Kennedy, all the evidence points to him, modern forensics prove the shots could only come from Oswald.

The most investigated crime in the human history and STILL all the evidence points to Oswald.

2 people can’t keep a secret but somehow the “conspiracy” is still intact, never mind that all the conspiracy theories contradict each other.


46 posted on 11/22/2008 9:32:53 AM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: ALASKA

I don’t know who killed JFK, but I doubt there are few, if any, that watched everything unfold on television the day it happened, who believe Oswald was in it alone. I remember thinking Oswald’s comment to the media about being a patsy sounded legitimate, but other comments he made brought everything he said into question.

I remember my family discussing Jack Ruby’s shooting of LHO. We believed it was a hit the moment it happened, and had nothing to do with Ruby’s explanation later of why he did it, of course.

So much evidence was destroyed at the time that I doubt we’ll ever know the truth in this life. I remember us saying at the time that had to be deliberate because no one could, or would, be that incompetent in investigating an assassination of a POTUS.


47 posted on 11/22/2008 9:33:43 AM PST by LucyJo
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To: word_warrior_bob
*** There was no “pristine” bullet, you’ve bought a LIE, the bullet was totally consistent with the damage done.***

There is a 'Pristine Bullet'. If I've seen it once I've seen it a hundred times.

The 'Pristine Bullet' was found laying along the side of Gov Connelly on his gurney while he was in the hospital corridor.

48 posted on 11/22/2008 9:36:56 AM PST by Condor51 (Obama believes in Karl Marx. I believe in Sun Tzu.)
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To: Condor51

You have a case of poor reading comprehension. Answer the question.


49 posted on 11/22/2008 9:37:37 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: Condor51

You’re WRONG, you’re 100 times WRONG.

The only pristine bullet found laying along Connellly on his gurney was in the MOVIE JFK!!

Here is a picture of the “pristine” bullet from an angle they don’t show you, THIS is the “pristine bullet”, the same one they tell you is “pristine”.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/ce399.gif


50 posted on 11/22/2008 9:43:15 AM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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