The Culture of Conspiracy [JFK assassination and media whitewashing/deflection of commie angle]

Wall Street Journal (2007) ^ | NOVEMBER 24, 2007 | JAMES PIERESON

[ETL]

This week is the anniversary of the tragic day in 1963 [11/22/63, 35 years ago today] when John F. Kennedy was assassinated on the streets of Dallas. Looking back, we can see that Kennedy's death marked a turning point, when the political consensus of the time gave way to the confrontational politics that we associate with the 1960s. The upheavals that followed -- along with the bitter partisanship that disfigured political life in the last third of the century, and whose echoes we still hear today -- can be traced back to that day in Dallas.

The terrorist attack of Sept. 11, 2001, is the only other event in the modern era that compares with the Kennedy assassination in terms of its shattering impact on public opinion. And there are parallels: The 9/11 attacks, like the Kennedy case, stimulated conspiracy theories claiming that either the U.S. government knew what was coming, or that somehow America itself was responsible.

[word_warrior_bob]

You just deny all of the evidence as a conspiracy of the people doing the re-creations of the crime scene and the “cult” of “big government”???

You are way, way, way, way out there FRiend, so the guys doing the computer models (a company which re-creates scenes for insurance, crime scenes) are big government cultists twisting their computer model to prove a single shooter? They’re not trying to honestly solve the crime?

Like I said, you are a deconstructionist and NOTHING will prove anything to you.

WHAT IS YOUR THEORY of what happened 11/22/63, don’t tell me that it’s a conspiracy to prove that Oswald did it, I want to know what YOU think happened since you don’t believe the “official cult” story.

[word_warrior_bob]

I believe it was ‘Intel’ planned, and delegated to the Mob/Cuban/Intel street community including foreign help contracted by the Mob.

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WOW, that’s quite a conspiracy involving a LOT of people, totally illogical.

The mob, the cubans, the intel street community all working together???? Think about what you just said there. All these years later and we don’t have one single piece of evidence to prove your claim.

Did you watch all the videos of the re-creations, forensics and physics that I posted on this thread? Watch all those videos and tell me where you disagree with their conclusions.

[ALASKA]

Connally swore until the day he died that he WAS NOT struck by the shot that hit Kennedy’s neck- CHECK

The “magic bullet” shattered 4 inches of Connally’s rib and was found undamaged and with LESS lead missing from it that what remained in Connally’s wrist- CHECK

You rely on videos, including one starring William and Teller, for your information- CHECK

I was responding to the first utterance of “nutter”- CHECK

[word_warrior_bob]

I posted a picture of the “UNDAMAGED” bullet, the same one you’re talking about, it’s on this thread, MYTH! - CHECK!

William & Teller, try Penn & Teller, do you dispute the experiment that they did showing the physics of the head shot? Or are you attacking the messenger?
Ignore the science, attack the messenger and cling to the MYTH - CHECK!

How in the world could Connelly know which bullets and where they were coming from?? Does he have eyes in the back of his head and the ability to slow down the trajectory of the bullets like the Matrix to know where they were coming from and where they hit??

Eyewitness testimony is often totally wrong, you can see tons of experiments about it. You can “stage” a crime for a roomful of people and have people swear on a stack of bibles 5 minutes later totally contradictory versions of what they witnessed just minutes before.

Kennedy was killed by Oswald from the 6th Floor, that’s my version. Please tell me what you think happened.

[ALASKA]

First of all, I have NO suspect. Did you read my original post? Your reply makes no sense in relationship to it. I haven’t lied to myself, I am curious. I’m the one originally called a “nutter”. I do not have the information to detail the trajectories, ballistics etc.....of the assassination. By your post, you imply that you do. Please enlighten us. I didn’t blame anyone for anything, and your “proof” about my writing is ridiculous.

[Thombo2]

Thanx-i’ll ck it out.

[ALASKA]

wwb, bullets that hit bone do not come out unscathed. There was more lead in Connally’s wrist than was missing from the bullet.

I didn’t say anything about Connally knowing WHERE the shot came from, I said that he swore he was NOT hit by the same bullet that hit JFK. Read what I type, not what you want.

I respect and disagree with your version.

[word_warrior_bob]

The bullet was NOT unscathed, sigh.

You are repeating myths that have been debunked.

[houeto]

The re-writing of Kennedy backing down the Russians was a joke, they ran circles around him and were happy to have such an inexperienced rube in the White House.

Well then, they're just gonna LOVE the next chapter in this saga, aren't they?

[houeto]

Chapman was paid by the Rolling Stones, who feared that the Beatles might have a reunion. /s

I don't chuckle often,

but I did that time!

[word_warrior_bob]

Yup, and Obama oddly is shaped like a fiddle.

[ALASKA]

So you don't like the word unscathed. The bullet supposedly went through the tissue, muscle and cartilage of Kennedy's neck, then through the tissue, muscle, cartilage and BONE of Connally and came out in "pristine" (not my word) condition, sigh. You are repeating a mythical theory concocted to fit an otherwise unexplainable set of conditions. AGAIN.......there was MORE lead left in Connally's wrist than was missing from the "pristine" bullet. Bullets that do the damage such as that suffered by JFK and Connally do not look the way THAT bullet looks. It is slightly crushed at the rear of it and the "skin" is undamaged. You sure are touchy about this subject..........

[word_warrior_bob]

Where do you read that I’m “touchy” on the subject?? You’re totally disconnected from reality and repeating a myth that’s been debunked. What your saying has been totally debunked. You need to do some homework.

Have you read “Case Closed”, “A Simple Act of Murder” or Bugliosi’s new book? Or are you just going to repeat myths to me? You might as well tell me a military plane hit the World Trade Center, I know better.

Do some research, don’t just quote conspiracy quacks. Here’s a hint for you google pristine bullet, debunked or disproven or words to that effect, read all the information and come to your own conclusion.

From the “arguments” you’re making to me it’s obvious you haven’t done a lot of research and only can parrot the lines from the conspiracy crowd, you can think you’re “winning” the argument all you want. The facts are on my side, not yours.

[Shooter 2.5]

Yep, you fit the profile.

You know nothing about the killing but you expect everyone to take you at your word because you repeat a lot of childish nonsense.

I suggest you learn about ballistics, trajectories and the effect of bullets on soft tissue and bone. Get back to us when you do.

In the meantime, here’s exactly what happened all based on solid proof:

The first bullet missed and hit a curb. Ten year old Rosemary Willis stops running alongside the motorcade to watch Oswald shooting from the Sixth Floor[Zapruder Film - Frame 160]. The bullet fragments or concrete hit a man named James Tague who was standing near the underpass. That bullet or fragments were never found.

The second bullet traveled 2000 fps to hit the president 5 1/2inches [14 Centimeters]below the Mastoid Process[there’s a picture of the hole and the ruler The bullet wound also exhibited a Halo Effect which is a ring around a typical high speed bullet entrance wound], it hit no bones and exited out his neck[1772 to 1,779 feet per second] clipping his tie[photos of the tie]. It traveled 28 inches away[trajectory report]to hit Connelly near the right armpit[Doctor’s report] clipping his rib[Doctor’s report]and keyholed out his chest leaving a 2 inch by 1/2 inch wound [Doctor’s report]. Connelly’s label moves outward. Zapruder film – Frame 224]

At this point it had only hit one bone and is now flying sideways when it hit the wrist [3/4 inch wound] and buries itself in a shallow wound[very little soft tissue damage,[Doctor’s report] in the thigh leaving an amount of lead in the thigh. The amount of lead in the wrist and the bullet add up to the original weight of 161 grains which is the same amount of the bullets from the Western Ammunition Company. Connelly had a broken rib bone and wrist bone. {Doctor’s report]. Cloth from his clothing was found in his wrist.

Seconds before the third shot and final shot, Kennedy’s head is at a right angle to the picket fence and the “grassy knoll”[Zapruder film].

The third bullet hit Kennedy in the back of the head toward the right side forcing his head to move forward by approximately two inches[Zapruder Film –Frame 313]. The bullet broke into two pieces at the bullet’s cannelure. One piece cracked the inside of the windshield near the mirror. The second fragment hit the chrome strip at the top of the windshield. There are photographs in evidence of the crack and the dent. The two pieces were found at the front of the limousine, one on the floorboard and the other on the seat. The Zapruder film shows Kennedy’s head moving approximately two inches forward at the moment of impact. The photographs of Kennedy’s head and skull show a small entrance hole and a large exit hole. Cratering of the hole at the back of the skull is typical of entrance holes. [Autopsy Report]

The two men eating lunch on the fifth floor heard all three shots and actually heard three cartridge cases hit the floor. Oswald had chambered a fourth round. Three empty cartridge cases are found at the “sniper’s nest”.

Elapsed time was 8.3 seconds[Zapruder film]. In that time only two shots had to be fired. The initial first shot starts the clock.

The man in the railroad tower saw no one behind the picket fence. He observed two men on the street side. One was the Dealy Plaza groundskeeper.

There are approximately eight people on the railroad overpass including two police officers.[police report]
From the railroad overpass, this area is the only “front” to the limosine.

The final segment of the Zapruder film shows the limo approaching the underpass. It also includes the corner of the picket fence. There’s no one there[Zapruder film - Frame 466]

[Kenny Bunk]

No one yet has mentioned the remarkable fact that Oswald's wife Marina was the daughter of a KGB colonel. People like her and defectors like Oswald didn't move easily out of the Soviet Union just because they felt like it. In fact, almost nobody was allowed out except Party functionaries, diplomats, spies, and the like.

It has always been incredible to me that this bullshiite is so easily sold and bought. It's as if "Gee, did you hear Lee moved to Cincinnati and got job in a radio factory? Yeah, it's true. Great job. Got a fabulous apartment. Met a nice girl. Yeah, Her stepdad is a biggie with the State Police. Imagine that!"

Simple fact: No one in those days, that is no one, went into the USSR without 24/7 KGB coverage. Period. The fact that LHO had something to do with radar on the U2 flights out of Atsugi means that he would have been far and away above "normal" interest to the KGB. Just like, BTW, Bill Clinton, who has never explained his year in the USSR and the Eastern Bloc satellites. What exactly was he doing in Prague in The Spring of '68 ... after leaving Oxford in a hurry under a rape scandal?

[msnpatriot]

Yes, quite a conspiracy isn't it? That's why JFK is discussed so much, and an active coverup has to persist.

You might want to read more about Cuba, JFK, and the 60’s then you would understand why the govt was using the Cubans, Intel, and the Mob. They were working together against a common enemy in Castro. Generally the Cubans were being trained by Intel, and the Mob was spending money, coordinating operations to get Castro because they were kicked out of Cuba by him, the casino's. This is common knowledge, and after the Bay of Pigs these same people channeled their anger towards JFK. The govt had willing workers!

No, I didn't watch any videos you posted on this thread. I will be listening to the JFK special tonight with Ian Punnet and Saint John Hunt. That's where the action will be.

Actually, after a decade of researching JFK the last produced videos I watched were the ‘Men Who Killed Kennedy’ episodes on the History Channel in 2003. The ‘banned’ ones that broke the case.

Books I would recommend would be Regicide, The last Dissenting Witness Jean Hill, Crossfire, the ‘on duty’ doctor at Parkland's book, Garrison's book, Prouty’s books, Intel Books, original newspaper articles from 11/22/63 with the first UPI article relaying what the SS agents said that day, when asked where shots came from they said the knoll, yes, they changed their stories later.

Study the Garrison Clay Shaw case specifically, as his jury said he proved conspiracy in the assassination.

Read about Dorothy Kilgallen and Ruby, and the countless list of lost lives to ensure the truth would never come out.

Watch the live NBC break-in coverage that day and listen to Jean Hill when asked where the shots came from she said the Knoll, and was surprised anyone would think elsewhere. She was facing the Knoll with JFK in view when he was shot.

Time to do some research...

***WOW, that’s quite a conspiracy involving a LOT of people, totally illogical.

The mob, the cubans, the intel street community all working together???? Think about what you just said there. All these years later and we don’t have one single piece of evidence to prove your claim.

Did you watch all the videos of the re-creations, forensics and physics that I posted on this thread? Watch all those videos and tell me where you disagree with their conclusions.***

[word_warrior_bob]

You’re off the reservation, you REFUSE to watch or read any evidence that destroys the conspiracy theories and points to Oswald??? Why should anyone take you seriously.

The “banned” Men Who Killed Kennedy??? I watched it at least 5 times, the whole thing on A & E !!

I’ve read and seen everything you have and then some, you selectively IGNORE the books and videos that point to Oswald.

It’s called COGNITIVE DISSONANCE, look it up.

[Shooter 2.5]

You missed a good chance. The so-called “Men Who Killed Kennedy” was not banned. It was voluntarily removed from the media under the threat of a large lawsuit from LadyBird Johnson.

I wish she would have let them air it again and then sue the pants off them. She didn’t because she didn’t need the money. Winning the case would have been a slamdunk.

[word_warrior_bob]

I did see it, I saw it a few times. I happen to love all kinds of conspiracy stuff, it just so happens I love the truth even more. Conspiracy, spy stuff is great entertainment, too bad so many people aren’t eager to really get to the bottom of things, it’s the same reason most people remain democrats and can’t pass a 6th grade civics test.

[Shooter 2.5]

I think you misunderstood me. I wasn’t saying you missed a chance to see an inaccurate so-called documentary. I was writing you missed a good argument when the nutter claim the “documentary” was banned by the unseen government. It wasn’t banned.

The makers knew they were libeling LBJ and lying about an involvment so they ran with their tails between their legs.

I have a quote somewhere. It’s by an Englishman and I can’t find it right now. I’ll have to write as I remember it:

“All education is nothing save this. Knowing when the other is speaking twaddle.”