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The Culture of Conspiracy [JFK assassination and media whitewashing/deflection of commie angle]
Wall Street Journal (2007) ^ | NOVEMBER 24, 2007 | JAMES PIERESON

Posted on 11/22/2008 6:02:05 AM PST by ETL

This week is the anniversary of the tragic day in 1963 [11/22/63, 35 years ago today] when John F. Kennedy was assassinated on the streets of Dallas. Looking back, we can see that Kennedy's death marked a turning point, when the political consensus of the time gave way to the confrontational politics that we associate with the 1960s. The upheavals that followed -- along with the bitter partisanship that disfigured political life in the last third of the century, and whose echoes we still hear today -- can be traced back to that day in Dallas.

The terrorist attack of Sept. 11, 2001, is the only other event in the modern era that compares with the Kennedy assassination in terms of its shattering impact on public opinion. And there are parallels: The 9/11 attacks, like the Kennedy case, stimulated conspiracy theories claiming that either the U.S. government knew what was coming, or that somehow America itself was responsible.

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abductions; birthcertificate; ciahit; jfk; jfkassassination; kennedyassassination; leeharveyoswald; magicbullet; patsy
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To: ALASKA

You’re a 11-22 truther which has the same characteristics as the 9-11 truthers. You pick a suspect and have no idea what happened.

Here’s the proof you have no idea what you’re writiing about.

Explain in full detail, tragectories, ballistics, ETC as to how Kennedy was killed and Connelly wounded. You can’t do it because you lied to yourself. You don’t have a clue but you blame others when confronted by FACTS.


51 posted on 11/22/2008 9:43:18 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: Shooter 2.5
There's nothing wrong with my reading comprehension - when it's in English.

Have a nice day.

52 posted on 11/22/2008 9:44:09 AM PST by Condor51 (Obama believes in Karl Marx. I believe in Sun Tzu.)
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To: word_warrior_bob

Not one of these 11-22 truthers can explain anything. They’re like roaches when you turn on a light.


53 posted on 11/22/2008 9:46:49 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: LucyJo
Meant to say, "I don’t know who killed JFK, other than Lee Harvey Oswald"...
54 posted on 11/22/2008 9:49:09 AM PST by LucyJo
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To: ETL
Oswald was among the radicals of the time who saw Third World revolutionaries like Castro as the wave of the communist future.

Just think, if Oswald had lived, he could have held a campaign kickoff party for Barack Obama!

55 posted on 11/22/2008 9:56:01 AM PST by hellbender
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To: Shooter 2.5

It’s the same phenomenon with Obama voters, they’ll just dismiss evidence out of hand.

I’d like to think people here at Free Republic would be a little more critical and not buy the pablum shopped by mostly hard left wingers who are trying to tell us a conspiracy, not an admitted Marxist killed Kennedy.

If Reagan had died, I bet there would have been thousands of conspiracy theories about Chapman too, the Secret Service did it, Chapman was an MK-Ultra killer, etc. Look at the RFK assasination, same tight quarters as Reagan, nuts think THAT was a conspiracy too, Sirhan Sirhan, a PALESTINIAN terrorist killed RFK, how many people know he was PALESTINAIN???? Hmmm, wonder why they don’t mention that, it doesn’t fit in with the “Media Matrix” left wing view of the world.

9/11 Truthers, don’t get me started, they should all kill themselves, they’re wasting valuable oxygen.


56 posted on 11/22/2008 9:57:39 AM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: LucyJo

You’re another in denial. You have no idea what happened or how. You picked your conclusion and sticking to it no matter what anyone says.

Showing you facts and photographs is a waste of time.


57 posted on 11/22/2008 9:58:42 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: word_warrior_bob

That’s the scary part. 52% of the nation voted for a marxist Kenyan and there’s so many 9-11 and 11-22 truthers right here on FR.

How would you like to be in the same room as obama introduces William Ayers to Caroline Kennedy? I’d love to see the reaction.

The movie “Idiocracy” didn’t have to take place five hundred years in the future.


58 posted on 11/22/2008 10:04:36 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: Kenny Bunk
No one yet has mentioned the remarkable fact that Oswald's wife Marina was the daughter of a KGB colonel. People like her and defectors like Oswald didn't move easily out of the Soviet Union just because they felt like it. In fact, almost nobody was allowed out except Party functionaries, diplomats, spies, and the like.

I remember a story by the Reader's Digest which tied Oswald's activities as a Marine in Japan (IIORC) with the shooting down of Francis Gary Powers UT over Russia.

The Left has cunningly tried to finesse away Oswald's obvious commie connections by saying he was a CIA double agent. I don't buy that.

59 posted on 11/22/2008 10:05:59 AM PST by hellbender
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To: ETL

I saw an interesting JFK documentary this week.

A world renown sharpshooter examined the evidence regarding the assassination and came to some interesting conclusions.

First of all a car load of paid actors were on the exact spot where the fatal shot was fired. They were in an exact replica of the car. Each one was sitting in the exact position pictured in the Magruder film’s last frame.

The sharpshooter examined the potential shot from every angle suggested by conspiracy buffs. He had no clear shot from any angle, except the grassy knoll.

But if he took the shot from the grassy knoll it would have penetated Kennedy’s head and exited into Mrs. Kennedy.

They also went out into the desert and recreated a shot from each direction wthi skull replicas used by the military to assess damage for soldiers.

The shot from the grassy knoll blew of the opposite side of the head. The shot from the depository shattered the skull in a near identcal way same way as the fatal shot in the Magruder film.

For me, it put to rest any doubts about a single shooter theory.


60 posted on 11/22/2008 10:09:37 AM PST by earlJam
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To: word_warrior_bob
Mark David Chapman was the guy who shot John Lennon. The guy who shot Reagan was John Hinkley.

Chapman was paid by the Rolling Stones, who feared that the Beatles might have a reunion. /s

61 posted on 11/22/2008 10:10:06 AM PST by hellbender
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To: Shooter 2.5

Do you notice when I post videos, forensics, pictures, etc., debunking the easily dismissed theories I never get an answer back. Not even, thanks, that was interesting, I’ll have to re-think this, or even a disputation?


62 posted on 11/22/2008 10:10:36 AM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: hellbender

Oops, I knew that, just typing too fast, they both fall into the same nerdy/creepy category, interchangable. lol


63 posted on 11/22/2008 10:13:55 AM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: Shooter 2.5

You are wrong about that. If there is irrefutable evidence that LHO was the lone shooter, I’d be happy to see it. Facts can make me change my mind.

It’s true that I’m talking about impressions from watching what happened all those years ago. So, you are correct that I have very little idea what actually happened or how.

I’ve had only a cursory interest in discussions of the assassination since the Warren Report.


64 posted on 11/22/2008 10:14:07 AM PST by LucyJo
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The Mainstream Media, and WC told us LHO was the shooter, and guilty with no trial.

Yet it's amazing to see people blindly accept this after the ‘MSM’ performance this year in the presidential election. They can create any perception they like, though what they did this year will cost them more than they can bare in creditability in the end.

Jim Garrison along with Fletcher Prouty I believe got the closest to the truth early on. Garrison's jury wasn't sure if Clay Shaw was guilty, but they (American Citizens) all agreed that he proved conspiracy in JFK assassination.

A close friend of LHO in New Orleans in 1963 wrote an ‘in depth’ book about him which differs greatly from the MSM depiction of him. He was an informant for the ‘street level’ Intel, Mob, Cuban activities to the govt. He was slated to do a mission in Cuba, but was put on hold waiting for orders while he worked at the Book Depository.

At this point in time the 20 or so conspirators have been listed by name in the book Regicide (See Regicide Amazon).

In 2003 the History Channel aired 3 new episodes of the ‘Men Who Killed Kennedy’ series which focused on LBJ, a friend of LHO, and the JFK Limo and Cosmetic Surgery info. The episodes and DVD sales were halted just the like the Path to 911 series special!

That last ten years have brought Mob revelations that they were there at the assassination to ‘supervise’ the event on the street level.

The MSM reply to all this information?

All of the conspiracy revelations and sources have no creditability, and all the witnesses supporting the Warren Commission are!

65 posted on 11/22/2008 10:14:12 AM PST by msnpatriot
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To: earlJam

Could you link that JFK documentary, or tell more about it - title, where it was aired, etc.,? I’d like to have my doubts put to rest, as well, about the single shooter.


66 posted on 11/22/2008 10:19:26 AM PST by LucyJo
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To: earlJam

Look at my post 42 for the first computer re-creation done on Dealey Plaza.

The Kennedy Assasination: Beyond Conspiracy by ABC concludes Oswald the lone shooter by using modern forensics. The Discovery special came to the same conclusion.

You also have 3 good books, Case Closed by Posner, A Simple Act of Murder by Mark Fuhrman, and the newest one by Vincent Bugliosi.

Conspiracy theorists should be forced to watch those specials and read those books before they come on here and other message boards and make total a$$es out of themsleves.

You can’t just read conspiracy books by nuts, left wingers and profiteers and trot out those “facts”, you need to look at BOTH SIDES.

I’ve seen and read tons of stuff on both sides and I’m 100% positive that Oswald Killed Kennedy. The evidence is just as overwhelming as O.J. Simpson if you take the time to look at it.


67 posted on 11/22/2008 10:19:41 AM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: msnpatriot

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm

Here’s a site that debunks a lot of stuff. Read my posts and watch the videos I posted on this thread.

Jim Garrison was a moonbat of the highest order.

Oswald is every bit as guilty as O.J. Simpson, if you bother to cut through all the clutter.


68 posted on 11/22/2008 10:23:35 AM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: LucyJo

Go to youtube and search “inside the target car” you will see excerpts from the discovery channel. Look at my links on this thread to other videos that point to Oswald and debunk many famous “theories” like the “magic” bullet, the “pristine” bullet and the shot had to come from the front.

The final shot HAD TO COME FROM BEHIND, small entry, big exit wound spewing the brain and tissue matter pulled from the bullet. Kennedy’s head moving back after the shot from behind is 100% pure physics. Kennedy’s head did everything a human head would do when shot from BEHIND. Look at the second video in my post 42.


69 posted on 11/22/2008 10:29:03 AM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: LucyJo

All right, LucyJo. I’ll take a chance and show you exactly how Oswald killed Kennedy and it’s not based on the Warren Commision Conclusion. I’ll post it when I find it in a few minutes. It will be based on the film and other photographs that were not faked like the Theorists BS.


70 posted on 11/22/2008 10:33:38 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: word_warrior_bob
See the frame by frame computer model with Kennedy and Connelly positioned exactly where they were using the Zapruder film.

See the frame by frame computer model with Kennedy and Connelly positioned exactly where the computer operators want them to be, using the Zapruder film as a 'guideline'..
The computer model and the actual film do not line up.. The model is a supposition, an altered view made in order to 'prove' the single bullet theory.

The single bullet theory is an effort to prove a politically correct version of JFK's murder..
- Thus the question remains, - just why must we all agree there was a lone assassin? -- Which 'cult' benefits? -- I say the big government cult benefits, not a cult of conspiracy.

71 posted on 11/22/2008 10:46:01 AM PST by jtom36
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To: LucyJo

Irrefutable evidence base on photographic images, doctor’s reports and sworn testimony.

The first bullet missed and hit a curb. Ten year old Rosemary Willis stops running alongside the motorcade to watch Oswald shooting from the Sixth Floor[Zapruder Film - Frame 160]. The bullet fragments or concrete hit a man named James Tague who was standing near the underpass. That bullet or fragments were never found.

The second bullet traveled 2000 fps to hit the president 5 1/2inches [14 Centimeters]below the Mastoid Process[there’s a picture of the hole and the ruler The bullet wound also exhibited a Halo Effect which is a ring around a typical high speed bullet entrance wound], it hit no bones and exited out his neck[1772 to 1,779 feet per second] clipping his tie[photos of the tie]. It traveled 28 inches away[trajectory report]to hit Connelly near the right armpit[Doctor’s report] clipping his rib[Doctor’s report]and keyholed out his chest leaving a 2 inch by 1/2 inch wound [Doctor’s report]. Connelly’s label moves outward. [Zapruder film – Frame 224] At this point it had only hit one bone and is now flying sideways when it hit the wrist [3/4 inch wound] and buries itself in a shallow wound[very little soft tissue damage,[Doctor’s report] in the thigh leaving an amount of lead in the thigh. The amount of lead in the wrist and the bullet add up to the original weight of 161 grains which is the same amount of the bullets from the Western Ammunition Company. Connelly had a broken rib bone and wrist bone. {Doctor’s report]. Cloth from his clothing was found in his wrist.

The third bullet hit Kennedy in the back of the head toward the right side forcing his head to move forward by approximately two inches[Zapruder Film –Frame 313]. The bullet broke into two pieces at the bullet’s cannelure. One piece cracked the inside of the windshield near the mirror. The second fragment hit the chrome strip at the top of the windshield. There are photographs in evidence of the crack and the dent. The two pieces were found at the front of the limousine, one on the floorboard and the other on the seat. The Zapruder film shows Kennedy’s head moving approximately two to three inches forward at the moment of impact. The photographs of Kennedy’s head and skull show a small entrance hole and a large exit hole. Cratering of the hole at the back of the skull is typical of entrance holes. [Autopsy Report]

No shot from the knoll is possible due to the close proximity of the people on the sidewalk, the tragectories and the fact Zapruder himself filmed part of the picket fence with no one there.

The man in the railroad tower testified there were only two men near the fence and that was on the street side. One was the Groundskeeper.

There were two police officers on the railroad bridge along with railroad workers on their lunch break. There were allowed to stay because all were on RR property.

Last but not least. Zapruder filmed the entire clip standing on a post with his secretary. ZAPRUDER WAS FILMING FROM THE GRASSY KNOLL.


72 posted on 11/22/2008 10:46:43 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: word_warrior_bob

Thank you, I’ll do that.


73 posted on 11/22/2008 10:48:06 AM PST by LucyJo
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To: Shooter 2.5

Thank you. I appreciate your time and effort.


74 posted on 11/22/2008 10:48:37 AM PST by LucyJo
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To: word_warrior_bob
The website your citing IMO is ‘Intel’ disinformation. (McAdams)

Meaning the goal is to generate confusion in the case, and discredit witnesses who mostly had excellent reputations, and didn't support the official cover-up.

What happened to Jim Garrison is exactly what happened to Sarah Palin.

To prove my point, go back and read MSM articles about Garrison before the assassination and Clay Shaw trial. Garrison only became a ‘wacko’ after he decided to investigate! Read about Dorothy Killgalen who got the story from Ruby.

Now fast forward to this years election. Go to google news and read MSM articles about Palin dated prior to JULY 2008 back through 2006. They were complimentary of her back then.

Fletcher Prouty had an excellent record of service to his country until he came out on JFK, strange huh?

***"Here’s a site that debunks a lot of stuff."***

75 posted on 11/22/2008 10:50:55 AM PST by msnpatriot
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To: jtom36

Not exactly where they “want” them to be, EXACTLY WHER THEY WERE, using the Zapruder film and the ACTUAL CAR, the car wasn’t blown up after the assasination.

Facts and forensics are not a “cult”, using modern forensics proves Oswald was the shooter.

Dealey Plaza is still there how does the computer model “not line up”?

The Zapruder film is still in use, how does the computer model “not line up”?

The car shows that the “magic bullet” nuts were wrong because they didn’t accurately show how the men were seated in the ACTUAL car.

The actual car has been re-created in the computer model, how does using the actual car “not line up”?

We don’t have to agree that Oswald was the lone assasin, just like we don’t have to all agree that O.J. Simpson committed 2 murders, there is an overwhelming amount of evidence to prove both.

We don’t have to agree that Islamic Terrorists were responsible for 9/11 even though there is an overwhelming amount of evidence that they did.

You can believe what you want, as for me, I’m 100% sure of the guilt of Oswald, OJ, and Islamic Terrorists.

Watch the videos and read my posts on this thread to debunk many popular myths about the JFK assassination. What’s your theory about JFK?


76 posted on 11/22/2008 10:55:20 AM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: jtom36

Liar. The computer simulation is based on a highway program for laying out structures. The simulation is accurate within thousandths of an inch.

Kennedy’s head was at a right angle to the picket fence so your theory claims a bullet had to travel toward Kennedy, circle around his head and hit from behind.

Your theory says the bullet that hit Connelly had to travel around his body, enter, exit and then pull his lapel outward and then hit his thigh.

You know nothing about tragectories, ballistics, rifles or bullets.

WHY DID ALL YOUR BULLETS DISAPPEAR? MAGIC?


77 posted on 11/22/2008 10:56:22 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: msnpatriot

I think you may want to research Fletcher Prouty a bit more before you defend him, like the wacky things that came out of his mouth, not what other people said about him. Same for Jim Garrison.

So debunking theories with evidence, photographs and documented facts is “Intel, disinformation”.

By those standards, nothing is true, anything can be disinformation, it depends what the meaning of “is” is, etc. That is deconstruction on your part, you can dismiss any evidence pointing to Oswald as “disinformation”, what is real information and what is “disinformation”?

All of the evidence points to Oswald, all of the conspiracy theories contradict each other. This is the most investigated crime in the history of civilization and STILL the evidence points to Oswald. Tell me what you think happened 11/22/63.


78 posted on 11/22/2008 11:01:45 AM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: word_warrior_bob
I have read Fletcher Prouty’s books, and listened to his presentations, not much more I can do concerning him. Same with Jim Garrison. I rate their creditability miles higher than the MSM for sure.

Based on my research McAdams is pure disinformation using ‘disinformation’ of all kinds, and not the only one that does this.

My recommendation to research JFK would be the approach that was shown in the ‘Perry Mason’ TV series. The methods of investigation that the Mason character used to find the truth. Meaning for starters all the witnesses would have been called unlike the WC did. There were countless witnesses especially around the railroad yard/Knoll who the WC simply did not call. And the WC flipped witnesses who did not support the pre-fabricated line!

Take a look at the case that John Adams represented in the British soldiers firing on the colonists.

The length Adams went to get witness accounts of the event is what it took to find the truth, otherwise the soldiers would have been hung for the killings.

This kind of investigating did not happen in the JFK case as far as the Mainstream Media & Govt is concerned.

When Pearl Harbor & FDR were questioned it was the Govt & WWII veterans who investigated.

In the JFK assassination it was the ‘people’ who continued to investigate because of the poor job of the MSM/Govt.

So, some of the investigating public might be off but the majority of private researchers have done an excellent job finding the truth.

At this point my opinion would be LHO was certainly a patsy, and did not do the crime. As far as the assassination goes I believe it was ‘Intel’ planned, and delegated to the Mob/Cuban/Intel street community including foreign help contracted by the Mob.

79 posted on 11/22/2008 11:48:47 AM PST by msnpatriot
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To: word_warrior_bob
See the frame by frame computer model with Kennedy and Connelly positioned exactly where they were using the Zapruder film.

See the frame by frame computer model with Kennedy and Connelly positioned exactly where the computer operators want them to be, using the Zapruder film as a 'guideline'.. The computer model and the actual film do not line up.. The model is a supposition, an altered view made in order to 'prove' the single bullet theory.

Not exactly where they “want” them to be, EXACTLY WHER THEY WERE, using the Zapruder film and the ACTUAL CAR, the car wasn’t blown up after the assasination. Dealey Plaza is still there how does the computer model “not line up”?

You cannot overlay the film with the model.. -- The model was constructed in a computer, and does not show what happened in the film, - it shows what the operators theorize.

The single bullet theory is an effort to prove a politically correct version of JFK's murder.. - Thus the question remains, - just why must we all agree there was a lone assassin? -- Which 'cult' benefits? -- I say the big government cult benefits, not a cult of conspiracy.

Facts and forensics are not a “cult”, using modern forensics proves Oswald was the shooter.

Facts and 'modern' forensics do not prove Oswald was the shooter, no more than did the Warren Report.

The car shows that the “magic bullet” nuts were wrong because they didn’t accurately show how the men were seated in the ACTUAL car. The actual car has been re-created in the computer model, how does using the actual car “not line up”?

The actual car and occupants are shown in the actual film.. The computer 're-creation' does not show that reality.

We don’t have to agree that Oswald was the lone assasin, just like we don’t have to all agree that O.J. Simpson committed 2 murders, there is an overwhelming amount of evidence to prove both. We don’t have to agree that Islamic Terrorists were responsible for 9/11 even though there is an overwhelming amount of evidence that they did. You can believe what you want, as for me, I’m 100% sure of the guilt of Oswald, OJ, and Islamic Terrorists. Watch the videos and read my posts on this thread to debunk many popular myths about the JFK assassination. What’s your theory about JFK?

My theory is that the single bullet theory is an effort to prove a politically correct version of JFK's murder..
- Thus the question remains, - just why must we all agree there was a lone assassin? -- Which 'cult' benefits? -- I say the big government cult benefits, not a cult of conspiracy.


80 posted on 11/22/2008 12:02:09 PM PST by jtom36
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To: jtom36

You just deny all of the evidence as a conspiracy of the people doing the re-creations of the crime scene and the “cult” of “big government”???

You are way, way, way, way out there FRiend, so the guys doing the computer models (a company which re-creates scenes for insurance, crime scenes) are big government cultists twisting their computer model to prove a single shooter? They’re not trying to honestly solve the crime?

Like I said, you are a deconstructionist and NOTHING will prove anything to you.

WHAT IS YOUR THEORY of what happened 11/22/63, don’t tell me that it’s a conspiracy to prove that Oswald did it, I want to know what YOU think happened since you don’t believe the “official cult” story.


81 posted on 11/22/2008 12:43:14 PM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: msnpatriot

I believe it was ‘Intel’ planned, and delegated to the Mob/Cuban/Intel street community including foreign help contracted by the Mob.

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WOW, that’s quite a conspiracy involving a LOT of people, totally illogical.

The mob, the cubans, the intel street community all working together???? Think about what you just said there. All these years later and we don’t have one single piece of evidence to prove your claim.

Did you watch all the videos of the re-creations, forensics and physics that I posted on this thread? Watch all those videos and tell me where you disagree with their conclusions.


82 posted on 11/22/2008 12:46:54 PM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: word_warrior_bob

Connally swore until the day he died that he WAS NOT struck by the shot that hit Kennedy’s neck- CHECK

The “magic bullet” shattered 4 inches of Connally’s rib and was found undamaged and with LESS lead missing from it that what remained in Connally’s wrist- CHECK

You rely on videos, including one starring William and Teller, for your information- CHECK

I was responding to the first utterance of “nutter”- CHECK


83 posted on 11/22/2008 12:52:41 PM PST by ALASKA (I feel more like I do today than I did yesterday.....)
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To: ALASKA

I posted a picture of the “UNDAMAGED” bullet, the same one you’re talking about, it’s on this thread, MYTH! - CHECK!

William & Teller, try Penn & Teller, do you dispute the experiment that they did showing the physics of the head shot? Or are you attacking the messenger?
Ignore the science, attack the messenger and cling to the MYTH - CHECK!

How in the world could Connelly know which bullets and where they were coming from?? Does he have eyes in the back of his head and the ability to slow down the trajectory of the bullets like the Matrix to know where they were coming from and where they hit??

Eyewitness testimony is often totally wrong, you can see tons of experiments about it. You can “stage” a crime for a roomful of people and have people swear on a stack of bibles 5 minutes later totally contradictory versions of what they witnessed just minutes before.

Kennedy was killed by Oswald from the 6th Floor, that’s my version. Please tell me what you think happened.


84 posted on 11/22/2008 1:00:51 PM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: Shooter 2.5

First of all, I have NO suspect. Did you read my original post? Your reply makes no sense in relationship to it. I haven’t lied to myself, I am curious. I’m the one originally called a “nutter”. I do not have the information to detail the trajectories, ballistics etc.....of the assassination. By your post, you imply that you do. Please enlighten us. I didn’t blame anyone for anything, and your “proof” about my writing is ridiculous.


85 posted on 11/22/2008 1:01:39 PM PST by ALASKA (I feel more like I do today than I did yesterday.....)
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To: jamaksin

Thanx-i’ll ck it out.


86 posted on 11/22/2008 1:16:56 PM PST by Thombo2
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To: word_warrior_bob

wwb, bullets that hit bone do not come out unscathed. There was more lead in Connally’s wrist than was missing from the bullet.

I didn’t say anything about Connally knowing WHERE the shot came from, I said that he swore he was NOT hit by the same bullet that hit JFK. Read what I type, not what you want.

I respect and disagree with your version.


87 posted on 11/22/2008 1:18:38 PM PST by ALASKA (I feel more like I do today than I did yesterday.....)
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To: ALASKA

The bullet was NOT unscathed, sigh.

You are repeating myths that have been debunked.


88 posted on 11/22/2008 1:23:50 PM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: word_warrior_bob
The re-writing of Kennedy backing down the Russians was a joke, they ran circles around him and were happy to have such an inexperienced rube in the White House.

Well then, they're just gonna LOVE the next chapter in this saga, aren't they?

89 posted on 11/22/2008 1:36:46 PM PST by houeto
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To: hellbender
Chapman was paid by the Rolling Stones, who feared that the Beatles might have a reunion. /s

I don't chuckle often,

but I did that time!

90 posted on 11/22/2008 1:43:59 PM PST by houeto
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To: houeto

Yup, and Obama oddly is shaped like a fiddle.


91 posted on 11/22/2008 2:28:04 PM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: word_warrior_bob
So you don't like the word unscathed. The bullet supposedly went through the tissue, muscle and cartilage of Kennedy's neck, then through the tissue, muscle, cartilage and BONE of Connally and came out in "pristine" (not my word) condition, sigh. You are repeating a mythical theory concocted to fit an otherwise unexplainable set of conditions. AGAIN.......there was MORE lead left in Connally's wrist than was missing from the "pristine" bullet. Bullets that do the damage such as that suffered by JFK and Connally do not look the way THAT bullet looks. It is slightly crushed at the rear of it and the "skin" is undamaged. You sure are touchy about this subject..........
92 posted on 11/22/2008 6:19:25 PM PST by ALASKA (I feel more like I do today than I did yesterday.....)
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To: ALASKA

Where do you read that I’m “touchy” on the subject?? You’re totally disconnected from reality and repeating a myth that’s been debunked. What your saying has been totally debunked. You need to do some homework.

Have you read “Case Closed”, “A Simple Act of Murder” or Bugliosi’s new book? Or are you just going to repeat myths to me? You might as well tell me a military plane hit the World Trade Center, I know better.

Do some research, don’t just quote conspiracy quacks. Here’s a hint for you google pristine bullet, debunked or disproven or words to that effect, read all the information and come to your own conclusion.

From the “arguments” you’re making to me it’s obvious you haven’t done a lot of research and only can parrot the lines from the conspiracy crowd, you can think you’re “winning” the argument all you want. The facts are on my side, not yours.


93 posted on 11/22/2008 6:43:54 PM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: ALASKA

Yep, you fit the profile.

You know nothing about the killing but you expect everyone to take you at your word because you repeat a lot of childish nonsense.

I suggest you learn about ballistics, trajectories and the effect of bullets on soft tissue and bone. Get back to us when you do.

In the meantime, here’s exactly what happened all based on solid proof:

The first bullet missed and hit a curb. Ten year old Rosemary Willis stops running alongside the motorcade to watch Oswald shooting from the Sixth Floor[Zapruder Film - Frame 160]. The bullet fragments or concrete hit a man named James Tague who was standing near the underpass. That bullet or fragments were never found.

The second bullet traveled 2000 fps to hit the president 5 1/2inches [14 Centimeters]below the Mastoid Process[there’s a picture of the hole and the ruler The bullet wound also exhibited a Halo Effect which is a ring around a typical high speed bullet entrance wound], it hit no bones and exited out his neck[1772 to 1,779 feet per second] clipping his tie[photos of the tie]. It traveled 28 inches away[trajectory report]to hit Connelly near the right armpit[Doctor’s report] clipping his rib[Doctor’s report]and keyholed out his chest leaving a 2 inch by 1/2 inch wound [Doctor’s report]. Connelly’s label moves outward. Zapruder film – Frame 224]

At this point it had only hit one bone and is now flying sideways when it hit the wrist [3/4 inch wound] and buries itself in a shallow wound[very little soft tissue damage,[Doctor’s report] in the thigh leaving an amount of lead in the thigh. The amount of lead in the wrist and the bullet add up to the original weight of 161 grains which is the same amount of the bullets from the Western Ammunition Company. Connelly had a broken rib bone and wrist bone. {Doctor’s report]. Cloth from his clothing was found in his wrist.

Seconds before the third shot and final shot, Kennedy’s head is at a right angle to the picket fence and the “grassy knoll”[Zapruder film].

The third bullet hit Kennedy in the back of the head toward the right side forcing his head to move forward by approximately two inches[Zapruder Film –Frame 313]. The bullet broke into two pieces at the bullet’s cannelure. One piece cracked the inside of the windshield near the mirror. The second fragment hit the chrome strip at the top of the windshield. There are photographs in evidence of the crack and the dent. The two pieces were found at the front of the limousine, one on the floorboard and the other on the seat. The Zapruder film shows Kennedy’s head moving approximately two inches forward at the moment of impact. The photographs of Kennedy’s head and skull show a small entrance hole and a large exit hole. Cratering of the hole at the back of the skull is typical of entrance holes. [Autopsy Report]

The two men eating lunch on the fifth floor heard all three shots and actually heard three cartridge cases hit the floor. Oswald had chambered a fourth round. Three empty cartridge cases are found at the “sniper’s nest”.

Elapsed time was 8.3 seconds[Zapruder film]. In that time only two shots had to be fired. The initial first shot starts the clock.

The man in the railroad tower saw no one behind the picket fence. He observed two men on the street side. One was the Dealy Plaza groundskeeper.

There are approximately eight people on the railroad overpass including two police officers.[police report]
From the railroad overpass, this area is the only “front” to the limosine.

The final segment of the Zapruder film shows the limo approaching the underpass. It also includes the corner of the picket fence. There’s no one there[Zapruder film - Frame 466]


94 posted on 11/22/2008 6:58:51 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: hellbender
No one yet has mentioned the remarkable fact that Oswald's wife Marina was the daughter of a KGB colonel. People like her and defectors like Oswald didn't move easily out of the Soviet Union just because they felt like it. In fact, almost nobody was allowed out except Party functionaries, diplomats, spies, and the like.

It has always been incredible to me that this bullshiite is so easily sold and bought. It's as if "Gee, did you hear Lee moved to Cincinnati and got job in a radio factory? Yeah, it's true. Great job. Got a fabulous apartment. Met a nice girl. Yeah, Her stepdad is a biggie with the State Police. Imagine that!"

Simple fact: No one in those days, that is no one, went into the USSR without 24/7 KGB coverage. Period. The fact that LHO had something to do with radar on the U2 flights out of Atsugi means that he would have been far and away above "normal" interest to the KGB. Just like, BTW, Bill Clinton, who has never explained his year in the USSR and the Eastern Bloc satellites. What exactly was he doing in Prague in The Spring of '68 ... after leaving Oxford in a hurry under a rape scandal?

95 posted on 11/22/2008 7:09:21 PM PST by Kenny Bunk (Looking forward to life under our new emperor in new clothes, Skippy-o Africanus.)
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To: word_warrior_bob
Yes, quite a conspiracy isn't it? That's why JFK is discussed so much, and an active coverup has to persist.

You might want to read more about Cuba, JFK, and the 60’s then you would understand why the govt was using the Cubans, Intel, and the Mob. They were working together against a common enemy in Castro. Generally the Cubans were being trained by Intel, and the Mob was spending money, coordinating operations to get Castro because they were kicked out of Cuba by him, the casino's. This is common knowledge, and after the Bay of Pigs these same people channeled their anger towards JFK. The govt had willing workers!

No, I didn't watch any videos you posted on this thread. I will be listening to the JFK special tonight with Ian Punnet and Saint John Hunt. That's where the action will be.

Actually, after a decade of researching JFK the last produced videos I watched were the ‘Men Who Killed Kennedy’ episodes on the History Channel in 2003. The ‘banned’ ones that broke the case.

Books I would recommend would be Regicide, The last Dissenting Witness Jean Hill, Crossfire, the ‘on duty’ doctor at Parkland's book, Garrison's book, Prouty’s books, Intel Books, original newspaper articles from 11/22/63 with the first UPI article relaying what the SS agents said that day, when asked where shots came from they said the knoll, yes, they changed their stories later.

Study the Garrison Clay Shaw case specifically, as his jury said he proved conspiracy in the assassination.

Read about Dorothy Kilgallen and Ruby, and the countless list of lost lives to ensure the truth would never come out.

Watch the live NBC break-in coverage that day and listen to Jean Hill when asked where the shots came from she said the Knoll, and was surprised anyone would think elsewhere. She was facing the Knoll with JFK in view when he was shot.

Time to do some research...

***WOW, that’s quite a conspiracy involving a LOT of people, totally illogical.

The mob, the cubans, the intel street community all working together???? Think about what you just said there. All these years later and we don’t have one single piece of evidence to prove your claim.

Did you watch all the videos of the re-creations, forensics and physics that I posted on this thread? Watch all those videos and tell me where you disagree with their conclusions.***

96 posted on 11/22/2008 7:27:08 PM PST by msnpatriot
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To: msnpatriot

You’re off the reservation, you REFUSE to watch or read any evidence that destroys the conspiracy theories and points to Oswald??? Why should anyone take you seriously.

The “banned” Men Who Killed Kennedy??? I watched it at least 5 times, the whole thing on A & E !!

I’ve read and seen everything you have and then some, you selectively IGNORE the books and videos that point to Oswald.

It’s called COGNITIVE DISSONANCE, look it up.


97 posted on 11/22/2008 7:36:01 PM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: word_warrior_bob

You missed a good chance. The so-called “Men Who Killed Kennedy” was not banned. It was voluntarily removed from the media under the threat of a large lawsuit from LadyBird Johnson.

I wish she would have let them air it again and then sue the pants off them. She didn’t because she didn’t need the money. Winning the case would have been a slamdunk.


98 posted on 11/22/2008 8:05:48 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: Shooter 2.5

I did see it, I saw it a few times. I happen to love all kinds of conspiracy stuff, it just so happens I love the truth even more. Conspiracy, spy stuff is great entertainment, too bad so many people aren’t eager to really get to the bottom of things, it’s the same reason most people remain democrats and can’t pass a 6th grade civics test.


99 posted on 11/22/2008 8:18:03 PM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: word_warrior_bob

I think you misunderstood me. I wasn’t saying you missed a chance to see an inaccurate so-called documentary. I was writing you missed a good argument when the nutter claim the “documentary” was banned by the unseen government. It wasn’t banned.

The makers knew they were libeling LBJ and lying about an involvment so they ran with their tails between their legs.

I have a quote somewhere. It’s by an Englishman and I can’t find it right now. I’ll have to write as I remember it:

“All education is nothing save this. Knowing when the other is speaking twaddle.”


100 posted on 11/22/2008 8:32:16 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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