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NY lawmaker seeks to prevent Bush pardons of “cronies”
statesman.com ^ | 11/21//08 | Ken Herman

Posted on 11/22/2008 9:23:58 PM PST by paltz

Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-New York and chairman of the House Judiciary Subcommittee on the Constitution, Civil Rights, and Civil Liberties, has authored a resolution demanding that President Bush refrain from issuing “pre-emptive pardons of senior officials in his administration during the final 90 days of office.”

The resolution, Nadler says, is in response to Bush’s “widespread abuses of power and potentially criminal transgressions against our Constitution.”

The goal, he says, is to prevent “undeserved pardons of officials who may have been co-conspirators in the president’s unconstitutional policies, such as torture, illegal surveillance and curtailing of due process for defendants.”

“This resolution declares that we will not tolerate a last minute attempt by President Bush to shelter his cronies - cronies who may well be guilty of serious criminal offenses - from the full force of the law,” says Nadler


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 110th; bush; bushpardons; democrats; nadler; obama; obamatransitionfile; pardons; rats
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1 posted on 11/22/2008 9:23:59 PM PST by paltz
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To: paltz

The same “defendants” who blew up 3000 people in your congressional district, Jare?

Have another cheeseburger, you fat moron.


2 posted on 11/22/2008 9:25:51 PM PST by Senator Goldwater
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To: paltz

Regarding the Bent One’s pardons in the last 90 days of his presidency, Mr. Nadler has absolutely nothing to say.


3 posted on 11/22/2008 9:27:09 PM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: paltz
My Dear Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-New York and chairman of the House Judiciary Subcommittee on the Constitution, Civil Rights, and Civil Liberties, please go outside and immediately pi$$ into the wind, you scum bag.

Where where were you eight years ago when Billy Blob Slick did his thing?

4 posted on 11/22/2008 9:27:18 PM PST by jws3sticks (Hillary can take a very long walk on a very short pier, anytime, and the sooner the better!)
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To: paltz

This was to be expected from the party of the Clintons and their pardoning of international criminals and terrorists....


5 posted on 11/22/2008 9:27:34 PM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (Read FR First.....THEN Read Drudge.)
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To: paltz

But it was OK for Clinton to pardon fugitives from justice (Mark Rich) and terrorists...


6 posted on 11/22/2008 9:27:41 PM PST by FocusNexus
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To: paltz

My response: EAT SH!T.

My personal wish: President Bush pardons himself and his admin from all frivolous, wasteful, hateful BS that the left will continue to cook up.


7 posted on 11/22/2008 9:28:57 PM PST by KJC1
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To: paltz
Yawn. Someone smack this fool. The president is specifically granted explicit power to pardon people under certain circumstances. As long as these pardons are within that scope, then Congress can go suck it.

And yes, this includes the last minute Clinton pardons too.

8 posted on 11/22/2008 9:29:32 PM PST by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: paltz

Its constitutional,,, its absolute,, pass all the resolutions you want Nadler.

I hope Bush has the backbone to issue the pardons. The dems made it necessary with their prosecution rhetoric.
Even if he does, they will be tried overseas within 20 years.
Just watch.

Obamy, or one in the future even worse, (a current 29 year old say,,),will sign international criminal court treaty,, then will cooperate with capturing Bush, with solumn words about lettting the system work,,, nobody above the law,,


9 posted on 11/22/2008 9:32:38 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: paltz

Oh, go snort another box of Krispy Kremes, you disgusting slob.


10 posted on 11/22/2008 9:33:52 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (America: Home of The Free Because of The Brave)
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To: KJC1

Can’t pardon until indicted and convicted. Therefore, can’t pardon himself.


11 posted on 11/22/2008 9:34:32 PM PST by doc1019 (We are now an Obamanation. Palin 2012)
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To: paltz

Do pols like this understand separation of power and pretend it doesn’t exist or are they so dumb they don’t understand it?


12 posted on 11/22/2008 9:35:04 PM PST by freedom_forge
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To: paltz
Nom...nom...nom...


13 posted on 11/22/2008 9:35:51 PM PST by Dallas59 (Not My President)
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To: pnh102

It was also in the president’s power to fire all the assistant AGs. Look what those morons in conjunction with the MSM did with that. Why do these people hate the document that made us great so much?


14 posted on 11/22/2008 9:35:53 PM PST by pnut22
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To: paltz

So what does Nadler have to say about O’s selection of Eric Holder as AG? Holder and Bubba pardoned terrorists, among others.


15 posted on 11/22/2008 9:36:15 PM PST by LibFreeOrDie (Obama promised a gold mine, but he will give us the shaft.)
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To: freedom_forge

This putz is too stupid to understand that. Not that he’s any stupider than most politicians, though.


16 posted on 11/22/2008 9:38:00 PM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: paltz
Nadler has to be one of the fattest snakes ever to slither around the NY. I expect one more happy meal and this pig could make the Hindenburg look like a match strike
17 posted on 11/22/2008 9:38:01 PM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: paltz
"torture, illegal surveillance and curtailing of due process for defendants."

I'm seriously! 2/3 of those assaults were carried out on Joe the Plumber. And I'd bet my left nad that 4/5 leftists would gladly have tortured him.


18 posted on 11/22/2008 9:38:10 PM PST by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: paltz

hey nadler, you forgot to wipe up, a bit of barney frank is still dripping.


19 posted on 11/22/2008 9:38:30 PM PST by bobby.223
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To: doc1019; KJC1
Can’t pardon until indicted and convicted. Therefore, can’t pardon himself.
Nonsense!

"The President . . . shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment."

(Article II, Section 2, Clause 1)

Justice Stephen Field wrote in Ex parte Garland (1867), "If granted before conviction, it prevents any of the penalties and disabilities consequent upon conviction from attaching [thereto]; if granted after conviction, it removes the penalties and disabilities, and restores him to all his civil rights; it makes him, as it were, a new man, and gives him a new credit and capacity…. A pardon reaches both the punishment prescribed for the offence and the guilt of the offender…so that in the eye of the law the offender is as innocent as if he had never committed the offence."

According to United States v. Klein (1871), Congress cannot limit the President's grant of an amnesty or pardon.

20 posted on 11/22/2008 9:40:29 PM PST by narses (http://www.theobamadisaster.com/)
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To: Dallas59

He next offered a second resolution:
“Get in my belly!”


21 posted on 11/22/2008 9:41:53 PM PST by Carl LaFong (I'm Sarah Palin)
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To: paltz

As always... This how the Democrats say thank you for keeping the country safe for all these years. He wants to go after the people who did the heavy lifting in a thankless job.

Clinton on the other hand pardons donors and connected drug dealers making him and his family members wealthy after he leaves office. Not a word.


22 posted on 11/22/2008 9:43:08 PM PST by DB
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To: paltz

My dad used call him “Jabba the Hut”. Obviously Nadler doesn’t know the US Constitution.


23 posted on 11/22/2008 9:46:13 PM PST by Perdogg (01-20-2013 Obama's last day)
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To: narses

Thanks for the education … I shall research further. ;-)


24 posted on 11/22/2008 9:46:35 PM PST by doc1019 (We are now an Obamanation. Palin 2012)
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To: DB

Obama’s Attorney General job one “Investigate Bush”

http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/checker.aspx?v=e4qGQuQuQu

In a 07 radio interview Obama promises that one of his first acts as president is going to be to call in his new Attorney General to review every single executive order and if they can find that any laws were broken, accountability would be his Attorney General’s job. He also admits the democrats are currently documenting and investigating the Bush Administration
Also in the Video Eric Holder is insulting Bush. Saying there was NO real leader of the free world for the last 6 years.


25 posted on 11/22/2008 9:46:40 PM PST by Pacothecat
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To: paltz
Jerry go out and have a nice big plate of bacon and eggs tomorrow morning followed by a couple of nice big triple cheeseburgers for lunch and try a nice thick 30 oz. steak slathered with garlic butter with a side of pasta alfredo for dinner. When your done with that drop dead you moron.
26 posted on 11/22/2008 9:47:20 PM PST by mimaw
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To: paltz
McCain and Obama said in a joint statement "Now is a time to come together -- Democrats and Republicans -- in a spirit of cooperation for the sake of the American people"

. . . So the scorpion says to the frog, "I won't sting you, I need to get across the pond, man."

They can't help it. The Rats can't help it.

27 posted on 11/22/2008 9:47:49 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: freedom_forge
Exactly! From Federalist 48 Madison wrote:

It is agreed on all sides, that the powers properly belonging to one of the departments, ought not to be directly and compleatly administered by either of the other departments. It is equally evident, that neither of them ought to possess directly or indirectly, an overruling influence over the others in the administration of their respective powers. It will not be denied, that power is of an encroaching nature, and that it ought to be effectually restrained from passing the limits assigned to it. After discriminating therefore in theory, the several classes of power, as they may in their nature be legislative, executive, or judiciary; the next and most difficult task, is to provide some practical security for each against the invasion of the others. What this security ought to be, is the great problem to be solved.

28 posted on 11/22/2008 9:47:52 PM PST by Loud Mime (Good is Evil and Evil is now good. The alarm has rung.)
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To: Perdogg
Obviously Nadler doesn’t know the US Constitution.

..that may be a fallacy. The certainty is that he is betting that the typical idiot rat don't and he knows the liberal media won't call him on it

29 posted on 11/22/2008 9:50:35 PM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: paltz

pardons are one power of the president - I don’t think you can stop him.


30 posted on 11/22/2008 9:51:40 PM PST by Tzimisce (http://groups.myspace.com/nailthemessiah)
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To: paltz
President Clinton pardons:

"...fugitive financier Marc Rich" mediamatters.org

"...notorious California drug dealer" opinionjournal.com

"President Clinton granted 140 pardons -- including one to his own brother.
A vast majority of those who received the last minute pardons are unknown to the public, although the list does include former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Henry Cisneros, Whitewater scandal figure Susan McDougal, Patty Hearst and former CIA Director John Deutch." CNN.com

31 posted on 11/22/2008 9:52:15 PM PST by Daaave ("Where it all ends I can't fathom my friends")
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To: Pacothecat
They can try.

But reality is very likely to change all that.

First, Obama isn't going to repeal all the “terrible” things Bush did because the buck now stops with him. In addition it is going to be pretty tough chasing Bush when the nation faces so many problems. That isn't very politically operative at the moment. Obama is in for some hard lessons - along with the rest of the country. Bush just may not look so bad in two or three years...

32 posted on 11/22/2008 9:55:45 PM PST by DB
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To: Senator Goldwater
The same “defendants” who blew up 3000 people in your congressional district, Jare?

How is that gigantic hole in the ground for the past 7 years in your district doing, Mr Wadler ?

33 posted on 11/22/2008 9:57:08 PM PST by Mr_Moonlight
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To: doc1019
Can’t pardon until indicted and convicted. Therefore, can’t pardon himself.

That's not a rule, I'm afraid. Plenty of people have been pardoned without any kind of legal proceedings against them. Thousands and thousands in the case of amnesties....

34 posted on 11/22/2008 9:59:40 PM PST by explodingspleen
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To: paltz

burp


35 posted on 11/22/2008 10:01:57 PM PST by smokingfrog (If it's to be a bloodbath, let it be now. Appeasement is not the answer. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Emmett McCarthy

“This putz is too stupid to understand that. Not that he’s any stupider than most politicians, though”

How much longer are we going to tolerate these fools. I am beginning to long for the days when people like Nadler would be given an “attitude adjustment” with a hickory cane or invited to choose their weapon. It seems to have resulted in a more civil society.


36 posted on 11/22/2008 10:05:43 PM PST by Peter Horry (Mount Up Everybody and Ride to the Sound of the Guns .. Pat Buchanan)
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To: paltz

I believe pardons are an absolute COnstitutional right of the President ... the COngress can resolve any damned old thing they want. Nadler is such a jerk.


37 posted on 11/22/2008 10:07:27 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: doc1019

“Can’t pardon until indicted and convicted.”

Was Nixon indicted or convicted? I know Ford pardoned him.


38 posted on 11/22/2008 10:19:03 PM PST by Gil4
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To: paltz

He’s just playing to the base, and as usual nobody on the right is going to call him on it, so a certain percentage of the ignorant will believe his lies. The left knows the intellectual capacity of its constituency quite well. Sadly, they also suck in some of the moderate but gullible because the right keeps letting them get away with this kind of crap.


39 posted on 11/22/2008 10:19:20 PM PST by ArmstedFragg
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To: KJC1

My wish is that he will also word it about like that.

I also would like to see him pardon those two border patrol agents, but IIRC the DA who prosecuted was a Bush “crony.”


40 posted on 11/22/2008 10:22:39 PM PST by Gil4
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To: Dallas59

Fat slob.


41 posted on 11/22/2008 10:25:43 PM PST by Ben Reyes
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To: doc1019

“Thanks for the education … I shall research further. ;-)”

Include Pres. Nixon in your research. He was never impeached, though it appeared imminent, and was pardoned without any charges being filed (Pres. Ford could have waited to see if a pardon was necessary but chose not to).


42 posted on 11/22/2008 10:27:39 PM PST by Peter Horry (Mount Up Everybody and Ride to the Sound of the Guns .. Pat Buchanan)
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To: paltz
I see Nadler-The-Hutt is back to his old silly games.

POS.

43 posted on 11/22/2008 10:34:39 PM PST by DocH (Hussein Obama: Leader of an America-Hating Socialist /Black Nationalist Sleeper Cell)
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To: KJC1

My response: EAT SH!T.

I think he got that message a long time ago.

44 posted on 11/22/2008 10:37:13 PM PST by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: paltz

Liberalism is good for you, like muffins.


45 posted on 11/22/2008 10:50:14 PM PST by wac3rd (Conservatives are not always Republicans...and vice-versa.)
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To: Senator Goldwater
The same “defendants” who blew up 3000 people in your congressional district, Jare?

As the old proverb goes:

No good deed goes unpunished

I'm sure whoever wrote it had Democrats as it's inspiration.

I will chuckled and pour another heaping glass of wine every time Obama and Company get into hot water and try ro blame anyone, I say ANYONE else.

Blaming Bush or the GOP will only get ya so far....
46 posted on 11/22/2008 10:52:52 PM PST by RedMonqey (Embracing my "Inner Redneck")
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To: paltz
Where was Jerrold Nadler when Clinton was issuing pardons?
47 posted on 11/22/2008 10:53:47 PM PST by DaltonNC
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To: paltz

Bump for later Sunday reading


48 posted on 11/22/2008 10:58:12 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Gil4

I hate to go there, but I will: Those Border Agents lied. How hard is it to understand that? These guys are unworthy, but somehow they have followers. I am a police officer who doesn’t lie/screw around, I take my job seriously. Once you lie, don’t expect the posse to swarm protectively.


49 posted on 11/22/2008 10:59:14 PM PST by KJC1
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To: paltz
unconstitutional policies, such as torture,... and curtailing of due process for defendants.

Sort of like what happens to innocent babies in an abortion, which procedure Obama and the Democrats love so much.

50 posted on 11/22/2008 10:59:41 PM PST by verklaring (Pyrite is not gold))
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