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The Climate Purge
WSJ Online ^ | November 22, 2008 | Joseph Rago

Posted on 11/23/2008 5:05:09 AM PST by Jim Noble

Henry Waxman moved to consolidate his coup d'etat at the powerful House Energy and Commerce Committee just hours after he was installed as the new chairman this week. It appears that the California liberal, with his customary subtlety, is plotting a night of the climate-change long knives...

Democrats dumped the current Chairman John Dingell because he does not favor global-warming action aggressive enough to suit the party's green wing. Now his lieutenants, who've been known to share his views, are targets too. ...

But the Dingell ally who should be looking over his shoulder most nervously is Rick Boucher, chairman of the energy subcommittee. Mr. Boucher has been a friend to the coal industry and hardly finds himself in a comfortable position now when his incoming boss supports a moratorium on coal-fired power. Mr. Boucher's likely replacement is Ed Markey...

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; US: Michigan; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: 111th; boucher; catastrophism; coal; dingell; energy; globaloney; greens; obamatransitionfile; waxman
It really is incredible - I actually have trouble believing it - that ANYONE is still taken in by this AGW nonsense.
1 posted on 11/23/2008 5:05:09 AM PST by Jim Noble
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To: Jim Noble

Gee, isn’t Waxman aware of the latest scientific findings regarding global cooling (sarcasm)?


2 posted on 11/23/2008 5:11:48 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified DeCartes))
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To: Jim Noble
Waxman Self Destruct Imminant

Nose Hairs filter out too much cold.

Thinks world will end in heat.

Plagued by groupies who want to administer cleansing enemas.

3 posted on 11/23/2008 5:12:46 AM PST by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, ( member NRA)
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To: Jim Noble
THE ACQUITTAL OF CARBON DIOXIDE
by Jeffrey A. Glassman, PhD

ABSTRACT:

"Carbon dioxide in the atmosphere [historically] is the product of oceanic respiration due to the well-known but under-appreciated solubility pump. Carbon dioxide rises out of warm ocean waters where it is added to the atmosphere. There it is mixed with residual and accidental CO2, and circulated, to be absorbed into the sink of the cold ocean waters. Next the thermohaline circulation carries the CO2-rich sea water deep into the ocean. A millennium later it appears at the surface in warm waters, saturated by lower pressure and higher temperature, to be exhausted back into the atmosphere. Throughout the past 420 millennia, comprising four interglacial periods, the Vostok record of atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration is imprinted with, and fully characterized by, the physics of the solubility of CO2 in water, along with the lag in the deep ocean circulation.

Notwithstanding that carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas, atmospheric carbon dioxide has neither caused nor amplified global temperature increases. Increased carbon dioxide has been an effect of global warming, not a cause. Technically, carbon dioxide is a lagging proxy for ocean temperatures. When global temperature, and along with it, ocean temperature rises, the physics of solubility causes atmospheric CO2 to increase.

If increases in carbon dioxide, or any other greenhouse gas, could have in turn raised global temperatures, the positive feedback would have been catastrophic. While the conditions for such a catastrophe were present in the Vostok record from natural causes, the runaway event did not occur. Carbon dioxide does not accumulate in the atmosphere."

http://www.rocketscientistsjournal.com/2006/10/co2_acquittal.html

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The graph above represents temperature and CO2 levels over the past 400,000 years. It is the same exact data Al Gore and the rest of the man-made global warmers refer to. The blue line is temps, the red, CO2 levels. The deep valleys represent 4 separate glaciation/ice-age periods. Look carefully at this historical relationship between temps and CO2 levels (the present is on the right hand side of the graph) and keep in mind that Gore claims this data is the 'proof' that CO2 has warmed the earth in the past. But does the data indeed show this? Nope. In fact, rising CO2 levels all throughout this 400,000-year period actually *followed* temperature increases -lagging behind by an average of 800 years! So it couldn't have been CO2 that got Earth out of these past glaciations. Yet Gore continually and dishonestly claims otherwise. Furthermore, the subsequent CO2 level increases due to dissolved CO2 being released from warming oceans, never did lead to additional warming, the so-called "run-away greenhouse effect" that Al Gore and his friends keep warning us about. In short, there is little if any evidence that CO2 had ever led to increased warming, at least not when the levels were within 10-15 times of what they are today. -ETL

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"The above chart shows the range of global temperature through the last 500 million years. There is no statistical correlation between the level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere through the last 500 million years and the temperature record in this interval. In fact, one of the highest levels of carbon dioxide concentration occurred during a major ice age that occurred about 450 million years ago [Myr]. Carbon dioxide concentrations at that time were about 15 times higher than at present." [also see 180 million years ago, same thing happened]:
http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=010405M

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So, greenhouse [effect] is all about carbon dioxide, right?

Wrong. The most important players on the greenhouse stage are water vapor and clouds. Carbon dioxide has been increased to about 0.038% of the atmosphere (possibly from about 0.028% pre-Industrial Revolution) while water in its various forms ranges from 0% to 4% of the atmosphere and its properties vary by what form it is in and even at what altitude it is found in the atmosphere.

In simple terms the bulk of Earth's greenhouse effect is due to water vapor by virtue of its abundance. Water accounts for about 90% of the Earth's greenhouse effect -- perhaps 70% is due to water vapor and about 20% due to clouds (mostly water droplets), some estimates put water as high as 95% of Earth's total tropospheric greenhouse effect (e.g., Freidenreich and Ramaswamy, 'Solar Radiation Absorption by Carbon Dioxide, Overlap with Water, and a Parameterization for General Circulation Models,' Journal of Geophysical Research 98 (1993):7255-7264).

The remaining portion comes from carbon dioxide, nitrous oxide, methane, ozone and miscellaneous other 'minor greenhouse gases.' As an example of the relative importance of water it should be noted that changes in the relative humidity on the order of 1.3-4% are equivalent to the effect of doubling CO2.

http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/

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Water Vapor Rules the Greenhouse System

Water vapor constitutes Earth's most significant greenhouse gas, accounting for about 95% of Earth's greenhouse effect (4). Interestingly, many 'facts and figures' regarding global warming completely ignore the powerful effects of water vapor in the greenhouse system, carelessly (perhaps, deliberately) overstating human impacts as much as 20-fold.

Water vapor is 99.999% of natural origin. Other atmospheric greenhouse gases, carbon dioxide (CO2), methane (CH4), nitrous oxide (N2O), and miscellaneous other gases (CFC's, etc.), are also mostly of natural origin (except for the latter, which is mostly anthropogenic).

Human activities contribute slightly to greenhouse gas concentrations through farming, manufacturing, power generation, and transportation. However, these emissions are so dwarfed in comparison to emissions from natural sources we can do nothing about, that even the most costly efforts to limit human emissions would have a very small-- perhaps undetectable-- effect on global climate.

http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html

4 posted on 11/23/2008 5:15:21 AM PST by ETL (Smoking gun evidence on ALL the ObamaRat-commie connections at my newly revised FR Home/About page)
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To: Jim Noble

We can only hope that “ordinary” Americans against this economy-killing idiocy make their voices heard to their congressmen as loudly as they did against amnesty legislation.

If American media did not run cover for the dem party “ordinary” Americans would all know as much about Waxman and his total off-the-wall lunacy as they think they know about Sarah Palin.


5 posted on 11/23/2008 5:15:27 AM PST by maica (Barack Obama is a Weathermen Project.)
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To: ETL

I read about the CO2 cycle in the oceans in a National Geographic article decades age. Which means that any scientist who now is proclaiming that CO2 has to be regulated by humans is talking ideology, not science.


6 posted on 11/23/2008 5:17:58 AM PST by maica (Barack Obama is a Weathermen Project.)
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To: Jim Noble

hanging on to this is going to bust their bicycle.


7 posted on 11/23/2008 5:19:43 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: Jim Noble; All
"It really is incredible - I actually have trouble believing it - that ANYONE is still taken in by this AGW nonsense."


8 posted on 11/23/2008 5:22:25 AM PST by musicman
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To: Jim Noble; Little Bill; IrishCatholic; Normandy; Delacon; According2RecentPollsAirIsGood; ...
 




Beam me to Planet Gore !

9 posted on 11/23/2008 5:23:15 AM PST by steelyourfaith
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To: Jim Noble
I actually have trouble believing it - that ANYONE is still taken in by this AGW nonsense.

No one's taken in. It's part of the agenda to take control of America.

10 posted on 11/23/2008 5:26:24 AM PST by bcsco (Liberals don't understand, it's impossible to pick up a turd-like Obama-by the clean end...)
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To: Jim Noble
Mr. Boucher has been a friend to the coal industry and hardly finds himself in a comfortable position now when his incoming boss supports a moratorium on coal-fired power.

Just where do these idiots think power is going to come from????

11 posted on 11/23/2008 5:52:35 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: steelyourfaith

Henry is so ugly his mother tied a porkchop around his neck so puppies would play with him.


12 posted on 11/23/2008 5:56:41 AM PST by csmusaret (I'd rather have a sister in a whorehouse than have a brother in the US Congress.)
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To: Rummyfan
Just where do these idiots think power is going to come from????

In their eyes, power is just like American influence in the world............evil.

Americans are going to have to do with less power, and if they don't, rolling blackouts will force them to.

It's all in the Green master plan to force the US into negative population growth, dontchaknow?

13 posted on 11/23/2008 6:02:26 AM PST by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: A.Hun
“Americans are going to have to do with less power, and if they don't, rolling blackouts will force them to.”

Let's think strategically; the more aggressive Waxman’s Green policies are the better. The one thing that the Great Unwashed seem to “get” is high fuel prices. That's because they see the cost staring straight back at them from the pump while they are filling up their auto's. Soooo, although it will be painful for all of us for awhile, high fuel prices will cause even the dumbed down portion of our population to vote their pocket books so to speak the next go around. Lord knows that don't “get” anything else....

14 posted on 11/23/2008 6:16:39 AM PST by snoringbear (Government is the Pimp,)
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To: snoringbear

If I know Dems, they will steal enough from tax payers to subsidize their constituents while blaming the inconvenience on GWB’s energy policies...that should keep their plan on track for at least the next eight years.

By that time, the idiots in America will get used to it. I’ve heard so many of them thanking goodness that gas is all the way down to $2.00, when three years ago, that price was unacceptable.

I’ve quit underestimating the stupidity of a majority of Americans.


15 posted on 11/23/2008 6:23:22 AM PST by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: SumProVita

In all probablity, yes. That’s why they need to shove climate change legislation through as fast as possible before its proven a fraud.


16 posted on 11/23/2008 6:31:20 AM PST by Reaganesque
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To: ETL
The most important players on the greenhouse stage are water vapor and clouds.

And there is a good correlation between solar sunspot activity and cloud formation, due to how solar activity affects cosmic ray penetration through the earth's magnetic field. Cosmic rays enhance low-altitude cloud formation by producing ions, around which water condenses.

17 posted on 11/23/2008 6:45:26 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (Question O-thority)
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To: ETL

Mark


18 posted on 11/23/2008 6:53:29 AM PST by TFMcGuire (Life is tough. It is even tougher if you are stupid--John Wayne)
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To: A.Hun

Does that mean all of the illegal aliens are going home?


19 posted on 11/23/2008 9:24:12 AM PST by meatloaf
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To: meatloaf

Nope..with the Dems, we won’t have borders so they won’t be illegal anymore.

They will just make them suffer along with the rest of us.


20 posted on 11/23/2008 9:50:05 AM PST by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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Catastrophism
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21 posted on 11/23/2008 2:08:53 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, October 11, 2008 !!!)
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To: Jim Noble

They know it has nothing to do with science, it is rhetoric of political power and that is their game.


22 posted on 11/23/2008 2:11:26 PM PST by RightWhale (Exxon Suxx)
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To: Jim Noble

As a member of Boucher district, nothing would give me greater pleasure as Boucher being kicked out of comfy seat. He might be in big trouble in 2010 if the coal industries is taxed out of business.


23 posted on 11/23/2008 3:14:16 PM PST by ClayinVA ("Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it")
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To: PapaBear3625
And there is a good correlation between solar sunspot activity and cloud formation, due to how solar activity affects cosmic ray penetration through the earth's magnetic field. Cosmic rays enhance low-altitude cloud formation by producing ions, around which water condenses.

Thanks. I've been posting on the subject for months...

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If you look at the chart below, you will see that sunspot activity (during solar maxes--the individual peaks) has been relatively high since about 1900 and almost non-existent for the period between about 1625 and 1725. This period is known as the Maunder (sunspot) Minimum or "Little Ice Age".

From BBC News [yr: 2004]:
"A new [2004] analysis shows that the Sun is more active now than it has been at anytime in the previous 1,000 years. Scientists based at the Institute for Astronomy in Zurich used ice cores from Greenland to construct a picture of our star's activity in the past. They say that over the last century the number of sunspots rose at the same time that the Earth's climate became steadily warmer."..."In particular, it has been noted that between about 1645 and 1715, few sunspots were seen on the Sun's surface. This period is called the Maunder Minimum after the English astronomer who studied it. It coincided with a spell of prolonged cold weather often referred to as the "Little Ice Age". Solar scientists strongly suspect there is a link between the two events - but the exact mechanism remains elusive."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3869753.stm

It's really hard to imagine how this little ball of fire could have any impact on our climate at all.

But the main arguments being made for a solar-climate connection is not so much to do with the heat of the Sun but rather with its magnetic cycles. When the Sun is more magnetically active (typically around the peak of the 11 year sunspot cycle --we are a few yrs away at the moment), the Sun's magnetic field is better able to deflect away incoming galactic cosmic rays (highly energetic charged particles coming from outside the solar system). The GCRs are thought to help in the formation of low-level cumulus clouds -the type of clouds that BLOCK sunlight and help cool the Earth. So when the Sun's MF is acting up (not like now -the next sunspot max is expected in about 2012), less GCRs reach the Earth's atmosphere, less low level sunlight-blocking clouds form, and more sunlight gets through to warm the Earth's surface...naturally. Clouds are basically made up of tiny water droplets. When minute particles in the atmosphere become ionized by incoming GCRs they become very 'attractive' to water molecules, in a purely chemical sense of the word. The process by which the Sun's increased magnetic field would deflect incoming cosmic rays is very similar to the way magnetic fields steer electrons in a cathode ray tube or electrons and other charged particles around the ring of a subatomic particle accelerator.-ETL

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There's a relatively new book out on the subject titled The Chilling Stars. It's written by one of the top scientists advancing the theory (Henrik Svensmark).

http://www.sciencedaily.com/books/t/1840468157-the_chilling_stars_the_new_theory_of_climate_change.htm

And here is the website for the place where he does his research:
2008: "The Center for Sun-Climate Research at the DNSC investigates the connection between variations in the intensity of cosmic rays and climatic changes on Earth. This field of research has been given the name 'cosmoclimatology'"..."Cosmic ray intensities – and therefore cloudiness – keep changing because the Sun's magnetic field varies in its ability to repel cosmic rays coming from the Galaxy, before they can reach the Earth." :
http://www.spacecenter.dk/research/sun-climate

100,000-Year Climate Pattern Linked To Sun's Magnetic Cycles:
ScienceDaily (Jun. 7, 2002) HANOVER, N.H.
Thanks to new calculations by a Dartmouth geochemist, scientists are now looking at the earth's climate history in a new light. Mukul Sharma, Assistant Professor of Earth Sciences at Dartmouth, examined existing sets of geophysical data and noticed something remarkable: the sun's magnetic activity is varying in 100,000-year cycles, a much longer time span than previously thought, and this solar activity, in turn, may likely cause the 100,000-year climate cycles on earth. This research helps scientists understand past climate trends and prepare for future ones.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/06/020607073439.htm

From a well-referenced wikipedia.com column (see wiki link for ref 14):
"Sunspot numbers over the past 11,400 years have been reconstructed using dendrochronologically dated radiocarbon concentrations. The level of solar activity during the past 70 years is exceptional — the last period of similar magnitude occurred over 8,000 years ago. The Sun was at a similarly high level of magnetic activity for only ~10% of the past 11,400 years, and almost all of the earlier high-activity periods were shorter than the present episode.[14]"

[14] ^Solanki, Sami K.; Usoskin, Ilya G.; Kromer, Bernd; Schüssler, Manfred & Beer, Jürg (2004), “Unusual activity of the Sun during recent decades compared to the previous 11,000 years”, Nature 431: 1084–1087, doi:10.1038/nature02995, . Retrieved on 17 April 2007 , "11,000 Year Sunspot Number Reconstruction". Global Change Master Directory. Retrieved on 2005-03-11.


"Reconstruction of solar activity over 11,400 years. Period of equally high activity over 8,000 years ago marked.
Present period is on [the right]. Values since 1900 not shown."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_variation

24 posted on 11/23/2008 4:10:09 PM PST by ETL (Smoking gun evidence on ALL the ObamaRat-commie connections at my newly revised FR Home/About page)
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To: ClayinVA

This maybe this’ll make the otherwise-conservative UMWA folks down in the Ninth suddenly come to their senses that the Democratic Party is not their friend anymore?

}:-)4


25 posted on 11/24/2008 6:22:05 AM PST by Moose4 (Hey RNC. Don't move toward the middle. MOVE THE MIDDLE TOWARD YOU.)
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