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Illegal immigrants can go to college
northjersey.com ^ | 11.22.08 | KAREN KELLER

Posted on 11/23/2008 8:29:04 PM PST by Coleus

Undocumented residents living in the country illegally can go to college here. That message was heard loud and clear by roughly 40 Hispanic parents and children who participated in a seminar Thursday night at Passaic High School designed to encourage undocumented immigrants to pursue higher education. Diana Esparragoza, 16, a sophomore at the high school who moved to the United States from Colombia when she was 7, said she was heartened to learn she could go to college. She said she dreams of being a psychologist or a lawyer but she wasn’t sure if she needed a Social Security number to be accepted into college.

"I thought I would just graduate, and get a job, and whatever," said Esparragoza, in the high school’s auditorium. "[But] I get good grades and I didn’t want to put it to waste." It was the first time Passaic High School had sponsored an information night to help undocumented immigrants learn their rights, said Schools Superintendent Robert Holster. The number of undocumented students has risen over the past five to eight years and is now as high as 20 percent of the student body, he said.

A student’s legal status often means parents keep themselves in the dark about preparing students academically and understanding educational rights, regardless of legal status. Under state policy, it’s illegal for pre-K-12 public schools to ask about a student’s immigration status, said Frank Belluscio, spokesman for the New Jersey School Boards Association. And, across the nation, pre-K-12 school officials must admit a child even if a school knows the child’s legal status is in question, according to a federal court decision, Belluscio said.

At the college level, policy varies from state to state, said Paul Shelly, spokesman for the New Jersey Association of State Colleges and Universities. In New Jersey, students do not need proof of legal residency to apply to publicly funded four-year institutions. However, to pay lower, in-state tuition, a student must prove legal residency for at least a year, Shelly said.

The Spanish-language seminar Thursday evening was sponsored by a program at the high school called College Readiness Passaic, an initiative of the school district that is funded by two federal grants. Guest speakers included two Passaic County Community College officials and an immigration attorney. Maritza Davila, assistant admissions director of Passaic County Community College, which opened a new campus in Passaic on Paulison Avenue this fall, stressed that the college "isn’t the police" and won’t ask for citizenship documents. She warned, however, that fewer financial-aid options are available to undocumented residents.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: admissions; aliens; education; highereducation; illegalimmigration; illegals; immigrantlist

1 posted on 11/23/2008 8:29:05 PM PST by Coleus
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To: Coleus

And Obama will pay for their mortgage and gas.


2 posted on 11/23/2008 8:30:59 PM PST by South40
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To: Coleus
...she dreams of being a psychologist or a lawyer...

A country can never have too many lawyers. sarc/off

3 posted on 11/23/2008 8:33:12 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (For more information on America's "new direction", read The Road to Serfdom. by Friedrich A. Hayek.)
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To: Coleus

If one reads these stories they are bound to imagine that all or most illegal alien children are star pupils who want only to go to college and become model citizens. Having taught high school I can tell you that this was not my experience. Of course, what do I know, I’m not a reporter....


4 posted on 11/23/2008 8:34:10 PM PST by brytlea (You can fool enough of the people enough of the time.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
A country can never have too many lawyers. sarc/off

Or politicians. Next thing, illegals will be able to run for President. /sarc

5 posted on 11/23/2008 8:36:15 PM PST by do the dhue (They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards. General Creighton Abrams)
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To: Coleus

The Universities are publicly subsidized because we are investing in our young citizens. The illegals should be paying what other foreigners have to pay to go to college here. Once again, the public is getting screwed.


6 posted on 11/23/2008 8:37:10 PM PST by MovementConservative (In 4 years GW Bush and the free-spending republicans have almost completely destroyed the GOP.)
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To: Coleus

they have colleges in Mexico and Columbia what are wrong with those colleges?

oh, yea, they want to take our college spots from Americans.....


7 posted on 11/23/2008 8:39:14 PM PST by television is just wrong (obama is going to pay my mortgage for me!)
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To: Coleus
She said she dreams of being a psychologist or a lawyer

That's what this country needs is another lawyer. A pro-illegal alien lawyer at that, I would wager.

8 posted on 11/23/2008 8:40:27 PM PST by hattend (Sarah Palin has run a fishing business, a city, and a state. All Obama has done is run his mouth.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Well, we need more lawyers because illegal aliens aren’t receiving their “rights”, you know. So they have to college to become lawyers. See how that works?


9 posted on 11/23/2008 8:43:44 PM PST by mrsmel (That one is not my president.)
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To: Coleus

Well, they could make up some SSN numbers like some of them did in the Dallas Independent School District...

Some were even given SSN numbers from the administrators...

So go ahead make some up go to school on our dime...

It’s all too little too late to stop any of this...


10 posted on 11/23/2008 8:44:41 PM PST by stevie_d_64
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To: Coleus

I hope the Border Patrol is reading this and arrests and deports all of them including their parents!


11 posted on 11/23/2008 8:46:51 PM PST by dalereed
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To: stevie_d_64

“It’s all too little too late to stop any of this...”

The law could be changed to make it a death penalty for being an illegal alien!


12 posted on 11/23/2008 8:49:44 PM PST by dalereed
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To: dalereed

Are you kidding? Local police and ICE can’t touch them once they’re in, never mind the Border Patrol.

And we’re not even talking about “sanctuary cities”. This is everywhere.


13 posted on 11/23/2008 8:50:10 PM PST by LibFreeOrDie (Obama promised a gold mine, but he will give us the shaft.)
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To: Coleus

The most ridiculous statement wasn’t in the article. The comment from Nurse spread the myth the poor illegals won’t get a return on the tax dollars they do pay.

What a crock. Prison, welfare, education, health. I’d say they get quite a bang for their buck.


14 posted on 11/23/2008 8:51:10 PM PST by MurrietaMadman (Be sure you put your dam pieces of paper away someplace safe.)
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To: Coleus

Next year we will be sending our daughter to college and paying through the nose. We will get no financial aid, we will not get preferences for admission, we will get no help at all. Illegal invaders not only are blessed with Affirmative Action so they will get the jobs ahead of kids like my daughter, but they will get to go to college for free.

We work hard, pay our taxes and saved for her college education from the day she was born. We are going to be short thanks to the big drop in the markets.

This is total BS.


15 posted on 11/23/2008 8:52:11 PM PST by lone star annie
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To: LibFreeOrDie

Change the law and exterminate them!

I know what it is now, I live in San Diego and was forced out of business by illgals in 92.


16 posted on 11/23/2008 9:04:27 PM PST by dalereed
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To: Coleus

Seems to me you need a Social Security Number to get a driver’s license, enroll in college, or apply for financial aid.
As soon as they use a false SSN, they have committed a felony. They should then be prosecuted and deported. End of story.


17 posted on 11/23/2008 9:10:19 PM PST by jim-x (God help America survive its enemies within.)
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To: hattend
That's what this country needs is another lawyer. A pro-illegal alien lawyer at that, I would wager without a social security number.

Just adding a few words

18 posted on 11/23/2008 9:20:14 PM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Tagline scrubbed to prevent invitation to indoctrinization camp)
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To: lone star annie
I'm assuming you are in Texas - our daughter was born and raised here for most of her life, but we moved for a few years while she was finishing up her last years of school.

When we returned to Texas, of course we had to pay out of state tuition, while, illegals get in State tuition rates if they don't qualify for free tuition totally.

19 posted on 11/23/2008 9:22:21 PM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Tagline scrubbed to prevent invitation to indoctrinization camp)
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To: dalereed
Butchur still workin’ now ain’tcha?
20 posted on 11/23/2008 9:30:45 PM PST by Syncro (Tagline: optional, printed after your name on post)
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To: Syncro
“Butchur still workin’ now ain’tcha? “

Not much since I ripped all the mussels out of my back bu I'm going to have to pretty quick, SS won't pay the bills!

21 posted on 11/23/2008 9:34:55 PM PST by dalereed
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To: dalereed

Medicare should cover it.

You paid for it all yer life, and they are gonna clam up on you now?

Life’s a beach...


22 posted on 11/23/2008 9:42:50 PM PST by Syncro (Tagline: optional, printed after your name on post)
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To: Syncro

Medicare pays most of my medical bills but until I can grow back some mussels I can’t do much.

I came down 10’, landed on my head and my feet folded clear over my head until they hit the ground and tore out all the mussels in my lower back.

It’s been almost 6 months and I still can’t straighten clear up.

At least my kidneys have re attached and my breastbone has healed.


23 posted on 11/23/2008 9:50:33 PM PST by dalereed
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To: dalereed
Wow bummer.

I remember you mentioning the fall in the past.

Slow healing process, but at least you are healing.

Good luck with the continuing of the healing.

I painted for years, but avoided ladders as much as I could.

My kid is up on roofs all the time, but only got hurt when he hit a bear at 70mph on his motorcycle...

24 posted on 11/23/2008 10:21:27 PM PST by Syncro (Tagline: optional, printed after your name on post)
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To: Coleus

I imagine that if Colleges and High Schools required verification of legal status in order to enroll that:

1) There would be far fewer illegal immigrant families coming to America
2) Cost of public education would go down
3) There would be less gang related problems in schools
4) There would be a drop in the community crime rate
5) There would be fewer students competing for a limited number of scholarships.
6) There would be fewer teens competing for the limited number of summer jobs

.... add your own.


25 posted on 11/23/2008 11:10:06 PM PST by taxcontrol
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To: Coleus

why dont mexicans complain about giving illegal guatemalans in mexico college education? this is so one sided its not even funny


26 posted on 11/24/2008 12:06:38 AM PST by babubabu
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To: South40
And Obama will pay for their mortgage and gas.  >>>
 
actually the Republican Bush administration and his IRS already took care of helping illegal aliens get mortgages through the use of the individual taxpayer identification number, or ITIN
 
Banks' mortgage plan opens door to homeownership for illegal immigrants

27 posted on 11/24/2008 12:24:43 PM PST by Coleus (Abortion and Physician-assisted Murder (aka-Euthanasia), Don't Democrats just kill ya?)
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To: lone star annie
Most Americans don't want to work. I mean, there are lots of Americans who are very well-to-do. But hey, they're getting food stamps and crap. Why should they trouble themselves to work. And you people talk about jobs being taken away by illegal immigrants. Americans don't realize, just like the government, that if all those illegal immigrants were granted legal status it would add so much to the economy. And after that, if there were any illegals left who did not want to become legal, go ahead and deport them. What I absolutely hate as an illegal immigrant is people telling me that I don't deserve to be here just because I am illegal. No, i didn't cross the border. I entered legally and I traveled first class. i am in my junior year in high school in the best school in my state. i lost five effing pounds in one month because i started worrying about the fact if i could go to college or not. and who the hell said that illegal immigrants go to college for free? i have to pay out of state tuition if i can go at all. and no, i don't get any financial aid at all....
28 posted on 07/27/2011 3:49:26 PM PDT by mishy95
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To: dalereed

wow ive never been more embarrassed to be an american. Ive never read so much ignorance in one page. This country is not even ours! WE ARE not even natives and you guys are claiming that you have more rights than illegal immigrants when you ancestors were probably immigrants themselves. I have never been so disgusted in my life to think that we are in the year 2012 and this type of prejudice still exists. It is pretty embarrassing to be part of a country that everyone looks up to and behind the scenes we are acting like we are cavemen. EMBARRASSING. These immigrants that come here they do the little jobs that none of us want to do just to make a living, making the economy grow, and all you can say is EXTERMINATE THEM? WHO ARE YOU? better question is WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? GOD? embarrassing.


29 posted on 02/06/2012 9:37:00 PM PST by fireangel82
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To: mishy95

What part of the word ‘illegal’ do you NOT understand?


30 posted on 02/06/2012 9:43:17 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: fireangel82

I don’t care if they are put ion prison, deported, or exterminated as long as the criminals are out of this country!


31 posted on 02/06/2012 9:43:48 PM PST by dalereed
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To: fireangel82
wow ive never been more embarrassed to be an american. Ive never read so much ignorance in one page. This country is not even ours! WE ARE not even natives and you guys are claiming that you have more rights than illegal immigrants when you ancestors were probably immigrants themselves. I have never been so disgusted in my life to think that we are in the year 2012 and this type of prejudice still exists. It is pretty embarrassing to be part of a country that everyone looks up to and behind the scenes we are acting like we are cavemen. EMBARRASSING. These immigrants that come here they do the little jobs that none of us want to do just to make a living, making the economy grow, and all you can say is EXTERMINATE THEM? WHO ARE YOU? better question is WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? GOD? embarrassing.

Your government dictated public education is showing. ... This country is not even ours!

Stuck on stupid I tell you!!!!!

32 posted on 02/06/2012 9:45:38 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: fireangel82

I’m native. I was born here. What’s the issue? And they’re illegals, not “immigrants”. BTW, did you sign up just to reply to this post?


33 posted on 02/06/2012 9:46:29 PM PST by Txngal
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To: mishy95
What I absolutely hate as an illegal immigrant is people telling me that I don't deserve to be here just because I am illegal.

You have admitted to committing a criminal act. You are right. Illegal immigrant is a misnomer. You are a criminal alien.
34 posted on 02/06/2012 9:47:44 PM PST by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: fireangel82

IBTZ!


35 posted on 02/06/2012 9:52:41 PM PST by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: fireangel82; 50mm

PING!


36 posted on 02/06/2012 9:55:53 PM PST by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: dalereed

check out the born on dates and posting history for fireangel82 & mishy95. Zotbait for sure, but are they one in the same?


37 posted on 02/06/2012 9:59:15 PM PST by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: mishy95
What I absolutely hate as an illegal immigrant is people telling me that I don't deserve to be here just because I am illegal.

You don't deserve to be here like it or not is no skin off anyones nose. You jumped ahead of those who are waiting to come here legally...what about them? They're paying their dues and you know as well as they do what you have to do to be legal...so get off you "Lazy" butt and do it the right way...and by the way go home until you've done it the right way and I could are less how much you're paying for anything here.....you are illegal....you're first assignment should be to study the word legal along with illegal. You have broken our laws....want to check your country's laws if we go there illegally...that would also be good to look at.

So no...you don't deserve to be here ahead of those who are trying to do so according to our laws...not at all.

38 posted on 02/06/2012 10:00:20 PM PST by caww
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To: fireangel82
Well if your embarrassed because fellow country man want to see our nation's illegals go back home and come in the right way....then you need more than an education about immigration laws....you need a swift kick to the rear and find another country who will better adapt to your liberal mind. YOU are part of the problem. America is not an open door nor is that it's policy or law. Sheesh....People like you are a huge embarrassment to us.
39 posted on 02/06/2012 10:07:40 PM PST by caww
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To: Coleus
Banks' mortgage plan opens door to homeownership for illegal immigrants

US citizens are less than foreigners in their own country. Talk about upside down....it's twisted and marred beyond belief!

40 posted on 02/06/2012 10:11:29 PM PST by caww
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To: mishy95
What I absolutely hate as an illegal immigrant is people telling me that I don't deserve to be here just because I am illegal.

Perhaps, you could explain why you deserve to be here, despite being illegal.

And why you deserve your seat in that exclusive high school, while a legal immigrant or a natural-born American does not.

Precisely what are you bringing to the party that allows you to be above the law that everybody else has to follow?

41 posted on 02/06/2012 10:17:27 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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