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Fight over pit bull ends in gunbattle in N.E. Bexar County
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Posted on 11/23/2008 11:52:58 PM PST by Chet 99

By Brian Chasnoff - Express-News

A conflict over a stray dog escalated into a firefight around noon Sunday in a North Bexar County neighborhood.

About 20 rounds were fired between two groups of people in an entrance to an apartment building in the 7600 block of Windsor Oaks. Two men, ages 18 and 19, each were shot in the foot and taken to a hospital with non-life threatening injuries, Bexar County Sgt. David Kilcrease said.

“Both parties were returning fire at each other,” Kilcrease said.

The shooters were arguing over ownership of a pit bull that roams the neighborhood. The animal could not be located on Sunday, and investigators had not found the shooters who fled.


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1 posted on 11/23/2008 11:52:59 PM PST by Chet 99
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To: Chet 99

Just once I’d like to see a photo of one of the “Dogs of Peace” mentioned in one of these articles.


2 posted on 11/24/2008 12:01:03 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: Chet 99

Owner:

1) white trash/meth head
2) illegal gangbanger
3) black drug dealer

Any guesses? I am not familiar with that part of San Antonio.


3 posted on 11/24/2008 12:02:37 AM PST by wac3rd (Conservatives are not always Republicans...and vice-versa.)
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To: Chet 99
See? Pit bulls are a menace!

:-\

4 posted on 11/24/2008 12:12:33 AM PST by Does so (Schumer, with IndyMac, precipitated bank failures just in time for the 2008 election.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

Here come the pit bull apologists.

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5 posted on 11/24/2008 12:29:15 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (You don't have a soul. You are a Soul. You have a body. -C.S. Lewis)
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To: Chet 99
"The animal could not be located on Sunday"

PhotobucketThe only smart animal in the bunch was the pit bull.

20 rounds fired and two shot in the foot. Proof those sights work well when the gun is held sideways.

6 posted on 11/24/2008 12:54:42 AM PST by SiVisPacemParaBellum (Peace through superior firepower!)
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To: wac3rd

Pit Bulls are akin to wild animals such as foxes, mountain Lions, alligators and Wolves.
Special licensing should apply to own this species but my
hunch is it would be considered discrimination.

Since these animals are allowed in my city I want open carry laws for handguns.


7 posted on 11/24/2008 12:58:42 AM PST by ChiMark
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To: ChiMark

> Since these animals are allowed in my city I want open carry laws for handguns.

A 14” Bowie knife might be a better bet. Shoot at one of them mungrels and it might not die (as this story shows). Hack off its head or fillet it chin-to-groin with a Bowie knife, and that’s guaranteed to kill it stone dead.


8 posted on 11/24/2008 1:05:30 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: Chet 99

San Antonio


9 posted on 11/24/2008 2:40:31 AM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

Came up against one of these critters once, stabbed it three times after shooting it twice with both barrels, point blank. Finally had to call in air support. Napalm took it out.


10 posted on 11/24/2008 3:00:15 AM PST by tupac
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To: tupac

(big grin!) I’m a flame-thrower man, myself. Keep a couple Mills Bombs in my pockets, for back-up. And a Harley revved up and idling nearby, just in case a hasty retreat is needed...


11 posted on 11/24/2008 3:03:10 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: Chet 99

A firefight, with assault weapons, erupted over a pit bull, assault dog, and the perps escaped ... if they made their getaway in a Chevrolet Tahoe, assault SUV, we would have the makings of one heck of a song.


12 posted on 11/24/2008 3:04:12 AM PST by Peter Horry (Mount Up Everybody and Ride to the Sound of the Guns .. Pat Buchanan)
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To: ChiMark

We have a pit bull. We adopted her from the shelter when she was six months old. She will be fifteen years old on her next birthday. She has never bitten anyone. She loves kids. She is a pussy cat. You intimate that people should be able to shoot these dogs — and the implication is MY dog, as well — on sight. I suggest you re-think your comment, because anyone who goes after my dog with such evil intent will get the business end of a .357 Magnum.


13 posted on 11/24/2008 3:35:39 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

My question is why did the give the pit bulls guns? ; )


14 posted on 11/24/2008 3:43:32 AM PST by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier)
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To: Northern Yankee

(big grin!!)


15 posted on 11/24/2008 3:51:45 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: Chet 99
“Both parties were returning fire at each other,”

Nobody started it?

16 posted on 11/24/2008 4:04:37 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

"I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."

17 posted on 11/24/2008 4:21:03 AM PST by Jonah Hex ("Never underestimate the hungover side of the Force.")
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To: Jeff Chandler
Here come the pit bull apologists.

If pit bulls were banned, gangbangers wouldn't shoot each other in the foot!! Ban pit bulls now!!!!

18 posted on 11/24/2008 4:23:06 AM PST by Tribune7 (Obama wants to put the same crowd that ran Fannie Mae in charge of health care)
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To: Jonah Hex

(big grin!) 1986 was a great year!


19 posted on 11/24/2008 4:38:35 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: ought-six
because anyone who goes after my dog with such evil intent will get the business end of a .357 Magnum.

Sounds like a typical pit bull owner.

20 posted on 11/24/2008 4:48:57 AM PST by PAR35
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To: Chet 99
"Two men, ages 18 and 19, each were shot in the foot and taken to a hospital with non-life threatening injuries"

Progress was made. Next time these two "citizens" are caught in the commission of a crime, they should be much easier to catch.
21 posted on 11/24/2008 4:51:22 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden (I)
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To: ought-six

I couldn’t agree with you more. I have “known” dozens of these dogs over the last 40 years, both good ones and bad, and the one thing that I can say with absolute certainty, these animals are exactly like children in so many ways.

With kids and with pit bulls, you get what you raise. I f you want a dangerous, even deadly, out of control animal, much like those idiots who shot themselves in their feet, raise it that way. Just like the parents of those gang bangers.

The breed is incredibly smart, resourceful, incredibly brave, absolutely loyal, and aggressive. The one thing he is not is vicious but given his intelligence and his strong desire to please his master, he can easily be trained to be, just like kids.

Like yourself ought-six, if you mess with my dogs, you may as well be messing with my kids, we can’t see the difference in my family


22 posted on 11/24/2008 5:07:02 AM PST by Rearden (Steal a truck, go to jail. Steal a railroad, go to Congress.)
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To: PAR35

You got a problem with pit bull owners buddy?


23 posted on 11/24/2008 5:07:02 AM PST by Rearden (Steal a truck, go to jail. Steal a railroad, go to Congress.)
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To: PAR35
Sounds like a typical pit bull owner

....or any dog lover.

24 posted on 11/24/2008 5:15:06 AM PST by laotzu
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To: DieHard the Hunter

Shoot it multiple times, until it stops being a threat-most of us would not carry a single shot anything.

On the other hand, using a knife would require a little more proximity than most of us would care to enjoy-bad breath and all.

Seriously, a well-placed shot to the head if time and situation allow (or in lieu of that, many rapidly applied hits to any part) would be much more effective and safer than an attempt at eviceration on the fly....

God Bless and MOLON LABE


25 posted on 11/24/2008 5:18:41 AM PST by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret) "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: shibumi

self-ping (so I can come back to watch the fight after I pop the corn)


26 posted on 11/24/2008 5:19:17 AM PST by shibumi (...so if it's organic, where are its organs?)
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To: Peter Horry
A firefight, with assault weapons, erupted over a pit bull, assault dog, and the perps escaped ... if they made their getaway in a Chevrolet Tahoe, assault SUV, we would have the makings of one heck of a song.

Only if it were a country song.

If it had been a Cadillac Escalade it would be hip hop.

Chevy pickup, country or maybe Norteño.

27 posted on 11/24/2008 5:21:56 AM PST by InABunkerUnderSF (Illegal Immigration is not about the immigration. Gun control is not about the guns.)
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To: Manly Warrior

That is, of course, unless your single-shot is one of these:

http://www.tcarms.com/firearms/g2ContenderPistols.php

(Which I have never owned, but have had the pleasure(?) of firing 50 rounds through in .44Mag. It’s a gun you don’t want to be on either end of.)


28 posted on 11/24/2008 5:29:23 AM PST by shibumi (...so if it's organic, where are its organs?)
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To: Rearden

> The breed is incredibly smart, resourceful, incredibly brave, absolutely loyal, and aggressive.

“Aggression” is a highly undesirable trait in any dog. Most credible breeders breed Aggression out of their lines.


29 posted on 11/24/2008 5:30:41 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: Chet 99

Did they shoot each other in the foot, or did they shoot themselves in the foot? That is the most entertaining part of this story.


30 posted on 11/24/2008 5:34:57 AM PST by Ditter
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To: envisio; najida; Jersey Republican Biker Chick

we got pitbulls and guns, we just need cigarettes and tattoos to finisht the thread :)


31 posted on 11/24/2008 5:38:50 AM PST by absolootezer0 ( Detroit: we're so bad, even our mayor is a criminal)
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To: wac3rd

That area of San Antonio is heavily Black with a substantial Hispanic population. Lots of gang activity. Most of it is old poorly built Ray Ellison subdivisions and similar subdivisions that are now rental property. It’s widely considered one of the most dangerous parts of San Antonio.


32 posted on 11/24/2008 5:39:11 AM PST by DaGman
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To: Rearden

> You got a problem with pit bull owners buddy?

All Pit Bull owners I’ve met are irresponsible bad-headed crims and scroats who spend their time burglarizing and robbing banks when they’re not smoking up P-Methamphetamine or slapping their wives/girlfriends/daughters around or selling crack to kids or cooling their heels in Mount Eden Gaol or on the lam running away from the cops or collecting kiddie porn or peddling in vice and dam’nation.

To them, their untrained vicious Pit Bull mutt is a weapon and a status symbol.

These owners and mutts are a menace to society and a danger to themselves and to others, a ticking time-bomb waiting to go off.

Would you have a problem with owners such as these?


33 posted on 11/24/2008 5:43:50 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF

“Chevy pickup, country or maybe Norteño.”

By golly, I like it, Norteño or Ranchera would be ideal, we could even make the vehicle a Suburban, stolen from Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officers, that would be perfect .... ay ay ay ay ay ay!


34 posted on 11/24/2008 5:53:14 AM PST by Peter Horry (Mount Up Everybody and Ride to the Sound of the Guns .. Pat Buchanan)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
All Pit Bull owners I’ve met are...

Wow, sounds like you need to start hanging out in a little bit better part of the neighborhood!

35 posted on 11/24/2008 6:00:01 AM PST by houeto
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To: DaGman

Isn’t this where Armando Montelongo flips houses?


36 posted on 11/24/2008 6:25:49 AM PST by shaft29 (Just your typical black woman.)
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To: Chet 99

ROTFLMAO. Now, pit bulls cause gunfire. You people really need to get a life.


37 posted on 11/24/2008 6:29:49 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: shibumi

“That is, of course, unless your single-shot is one of these”

Used to have one, .256 mag. (necked down .357 mag) with a bull barrel (2.5 scope on it). it was a deadly varmint gun.


38 posted on 11/24/2008 6:34:48 AM PST by Peter Horry (Mount Up Everybody and Ride to the Sound of the Guns .. Pat Buchanan)
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To: absolootezer0

ha ha ha ha ha ha....


39 posted on 11/24/2008 7:03:06 AM PST by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (You cannot help the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer.)
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To: absolootezer0

Lets see,
I smoke indonesian clove cigarrettes on the weekend (I’m a weinie, a pack last me a month)....AND I have a tat.


40 posted on 11/24/2008 7:56:28 AM PST by najida (Alone is not an illness to be cured, but a gift to be cherished..)
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To: najida

ah ha, but no pit bull or bullets or suv :)


41 posted on 11/24/2008 8:07:20 AM PST by absolootezer0 ( Detroit: we're so bad, even our mayor is a criminal)
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To: absolootezer0

>>>we got pitbulls and guns, we just need cigarettes and tattoos to finisht the thread<<<<<

Throw in Harley-Davidson and you’ll be here all day.


42 posted on 11/24/2008 8:17:07 AM PST by envisio (If you ain't laughin yet... you ain't seen me naked. 8^O)
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To: Rearden
We are not talking about YOUR PB are we? Yours probably is as you say, pleasant non-aggressive etc.

I think the ones in question are those that like to chew on people.

Also, no animal is worth comparing to a human-none. If you kill a person who is threatening your dog or other livestock (all things being equal-no threat to you etc), you will be guilty of murder, if someone kills your dog (nonthreatening) they will likely be guilty of destruction of private property, perhaps cruelty to an animal. Think that is comparative value?

PETA thinks that a rat is a dog is a pig is a boy; I am certain you do not.

God Bless and MOLON LABE

43 posted on 11/24/2008 8:21:31 AM PST by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret) "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: najida

>>>I smoke indonesian clove cigarrettes on the weekend<<<<

HIPPIE!


44 posted on 11/24/2008 8:24:18 AM PST by envisio (If you ain't laughin yet... you ain't seen me naked. 8^O)
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To: ought-six

And if that .357 doesn’t do the job, try a Mossberg 12 gauge pump with pistol grip, a stainless steel model should work. If you’re really serious get a couple of ninja’s for backup and even some old-school Shawnees for good measure.

Napalm is good but as a previous poster pointed out for some real standoff the tactical nuke can’t be beat.


45 posted on 11/24/2008 8:32:39 AM PST by tupac
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To: DieHard the Hunter
Most credible breeders breed Aggression out of their lines.

You've never seen a Beagle on the scent, a Bloodhound trailing someone, or a well trained K-9 German Shepherd working over a suspect.

Aggression is a critical trait for many breeds. Pointers and Retreivers in particular. If they aren't aggressive towards game, they're pretty much couch dogs.

L

46 posted on 11/24/2008 8:36:02 AM PST by Lurker ("America is at that awkward stage. " Claire Wolfe, call your office.)
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To: shibumi
One shot firearms are experts tools. Know of any folks that hunt dangerous game (human or otherwise, toting a SS)?

Okay, some outdoor writers etc hunt with a SS, but notice they are hunting either non-dangerous game or have a guide/PH with major firepower handy if the SS fails to stop the beastie.

Ever see a Soldier or a cop with a SS? Even a sniper??

Me neither. Do what the pros do-there’s a reason!

God Bless and MOLON LABE

On the other hand, if that's all you have, aim small, miss small, but never never miss big!!!!!

47 posted on 11/24/2008 8:38:52 AM PST by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret) "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: DieHard the Hunter
All Pit Bull owners I’ve met are irresponsible bad-headed crims and scroats who spend their time burglarizing and robbing banks...

Yeah...gotta be the dog's fault.

48 posted on 11/24/2008 8:56:37 AM PST by gundog (When the SHTF, it will not be evenly distributed.)
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To: ought-six
I suggest you re-think your comment, because anyone who goes after my dog with such evil intent will get the business end of a .357 Magnum.

You're not doing the pit-bull supporters any favors with statements like this, nor would anyone who equates a dog's life with a human's.

As a gun-owner, I don't welcome your sentiment, either. It's this kind of macho BS that the media gobbles up and uses against us.

If you truly believe your own statement, please seek help.
49 posted on 11/24/2008 9:29:42 AM PST by ConservativeWarrior (In last year's nests, there are no birds this year.)
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To: Lurker

> or a well trained K-9 German Shepherd working over a suspect.

I respectfully disagree. (One of the few times I have disagreed with you, L.)

I am a German Shepherd trainer. Aggression is not a good trait in a Shepherd, and I won’t tolerate it in any dog that I own. Drive, yes definitely. Aggression, no. If the Shepherd is going to assert itself, it must do so when I tell it to, and it must stop immediately when I tell it to. There is no room for Aggressive behavior. Ever. Not even in a K9 Police dog — or more accurately, especially not.

Aggression is usually a sign of fear, or territoriality, or nervousness, or excessive preditor drive, or excessive dominance, or a few other drivers. The only one that I might consider acceptable is sexual aggression from a bitch in heat: she can’t help her hormones.

I am the Alpha Male: I and I alone will decide how my dog shall behave. An Aggressive dog will have a definite problem with that.

A Shepherd is a medium-large dog, and if they are fit they are all bone-and-fur-and-muscle-and-teeth: extremely strong with explosive energy. If my current prodigy wants to, she can pull me over, right off my feet, and escape my control: and I am well over 200 lbs. You do not want that kind of power running loose at the best of times: most especially not if it is Aggressive.

An aggressive K-9 Police dog? No way: the City and the Police would get sued so fast it would make their heads spin. The K9 will assert itself on command, but you can bet his handler is in complete control and that the dog is completely calm.

To a certain degree, Aggression is a training issue. It is also a breeding issue, and a breeder who breeds aggressive Shepherds is doing himself and the breed a serious dissevice.

IMO what I’ve just said here should probably apply for all breeds, not just German Shepherds: I can’t envisage any legitimate reason why it wouldn’t.

You don’t need to take my word for it though: do a Google on “Aggression in Dogs” and convince yourself. More dog owners need to understand this, because it is important. Aggression is a leading cause of pet dogs being destroyed.

Which is why I’ve spelled it out in bollix-aching-detail in this post.


50 posted on 11/24/2008 9:34:55 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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