Skip to comments.Election spurs sales of guns, ammo (Nov. 8th biggest day since 1954 for one gun shop!)
Posted on 11/24/2008 12:14:11 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
DAYTONA BEACH -- The owners of Buck's Gun Rack say they didn't vote for Barack Obama, but the president-elect sure has been good for business.
Assault-style rifles, personal protection handguns, shotguns and ammunition -- business was up by as much as 400 percent after the election, exceeding records that followed Sept. 11 and preceded the Y2K scare of 2000.
"Sales have gone through the roof," Forrest Buckwald said, attributing the boost to a belief that Obama would support gun control measures.
"People were talking about Obama before the election," said Buckwald's brother and co-owner, Scott. "The Saturday after the election we could not help people fast enough. It was the biggest day we ever had" since the store opened in 1954.
"People have expressed a desire to get (their guns) while the getting is good," Forrest Buckwald added.
During the campaign, Obama called for a permanent reinstatement of the assault weapons ban that lapsed in 2004. It prohibits the sale of such semiautomatic rifles as AK-47s and AR-15s, military-style weapons that critics say are designed solely to kill people.
But while the National Rifle Association has characterized Obama as a threat to the Second Amendment, a spokesman for the Obama transition team in Chicago said those beliefs are unfounded.
"Barack Obama recognizes that firearm ownership is a rich tradition in American life," spokesman Reid Cherlin said in a telephone interview this week. "Obama believes the Second Amendment creates an individual right, and he respects the constitutional rights of Americans to bear arms. He will protect the rights of hunters and other law-abiding Americans to purchase, own, and transport, and use guns, and he will support the right of communities to enact common-sense gun safety laws."
Gun advocates, though, point to his record as an Illinois state legislator when Obama supported a ban on semiautomatic assault weapons and tighter restrictions on all firearms.
"Obama's record is absolutely abysmal when it comes to the Second Amendment," said Ted Novin, director of public affairs for the National Shooting Sports Foundation, a trade organization for gun dealers and manufacturers.
Plenty of others seem to agree.
Representatives of Love's Gun and Pawn in DeLand and Florida Gun Exchange in Port Orange said their sales have tripled since the election.
"It has been unprecedented," said John Kieser, owner of the Gun Exchange.
Heather Lavornia of Love's said rumors of a tax on guns and ammunition from a Democratic-controlled Congress also have fueled customers' fears.
"They are buying and stocking up," she said.
At Buck's, Mike Murphy of Ormond Beach said he wanted to purchase a tactical version of a pump action shotgun before it could get caught up in restrictions.
"They should enforce the laws they have now," the 61-year-old said. "They make sense, but we are not enforcing them."
Justin Perkins, 28, of Kissimmee agreed, but he doesn't expect any changes anytime soon.
"I think the restrictions will happen sometime in the next two or three years," he said while looking at a hunting rifle during his lunch break.
Harry Miller admitted Obama was in the back of his mind as he looked over used pistols with his wife, Joan, but they had their own reasons for shopping that day.
"We want one for protection because we travel a lot in our motor home," said Harry Miller of Edgewater. "I already have a semi-automatic (pistol)."
"But I can't pull the slide back," his 71-year-old wife said.
And have her hate firing it because of the undamped recoil, plus not be able to properly control a heavy revolver?
I’d say a Beretta with a tip-up barrel or even the old Browning High Power - you can rack the slide on a BHP by putting the dust cover against a wall and leaning on it.
If they are unable to stop the sale and ownership of guns, they will do the next best thing and control ammo. They do not want honest law abiding citizens to be able to protect themselves.
Because Americans know that Communists have taken over the American government.
We see the writing on the wall, and we know what the damn Stalinists have in store for all of us.
BLOAT like there is no tomorrow!!!!!!!
In the classes that I’ve taught for self defense, I have always ALWAYS stated that shot placement will beat a bigger less controlled gun every time. As a general rule, women listen, men don’t - at least not until they have tried something smaller like a 9 mm or .45 vs the .44 mag or .50AE they thought they could handle. I’ve seen a grandma with a .22LR pistol that could decide which eyeball she wanted to take out at 10 meters .... it’s quite scary to watch her actually.
I was once asked how can I tell if someone has too much pistol. It is really a simple exercise. Set your target at 7 to 10 yards. Fire 5 rounds in under 10 seconds. If the shot group is bigger than your pistol ... you have too much pistol and not enough control. You can fix that practice or getting a smaller gun / load. But always practice practice practice.
Or the way it was put to me ... never HOPE you hit your target, KNOW if you did.
BTW - I'll be waiting for those “Common Sense” Abortion laws right after he imposes those “Common Sense” Gun laws.
As far as the Second Amendment is concerned, the only thing I'll be hunting is a Politician that turns Governing into Ruling.
My God Given Rights are insured by Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson.
Hey, I recommend people start off with the 9mm, personally. The Browning High Power in 9mm is still the pistol I’m best with. 5 rounds at 7 yards, even with the sights covered, I still produce a group you can cover with the BHP’s magazine. With the sights, you can almost cover the group with the magazine’s floorplate. I recommend the BHP a lot; I also took a lot of flak for not having “enough” pistol. Well, guess what, I’m in your camp wherein eighteen 9mm hits are still better than 8 misses with a .45.
Also, individual weapon design makes a difference. For example, the 1911 has more felt recoil than a Glock 30 even though they are in the same caliber. Someone should try out a bunch of weapons at a local range before settling in to a model and caliber, IMHO. Buy what you can hit best with, regardless of caliber (so long as it’s 9mm or better).
For those who like the High Power but would like to move up to a larger caliber, I recommend the Springfield XD45. It points like a BHP and despite the larger round size carries the same number of rounds as a BHP does.
Who determines what “Common Sense” means?
It is the same as “Paying your fair share”.
My husband went to Bob Pope’s Gun Show Sat. and he said the crowd was enormous!
Most of the inexperienced shooters I've dealt with have done better with a revolver:
1. It's a lot easier to confirm there is/is not a loaded round in the weapon (sometimes that whole 'slide slamming forward' thing seems to raise doubt for some folks). Inexperienced shooters -- especially women, it seems -- shy away from handling a gun if they aren't confident they know it is or isn't loaded. Any new shooter will get better if they will pick up the weapon on their own and practice handling it. That is more likely to happen if he or she feels comfortable with making sure it is not loaded without assistance.
2. No extra pieces required (we call them 'magazines') for the gun to work.
3. All the gun's movement happens BEFORE you pull the trigger, so the gun isn't cycling, brass flying, etc. during a time when the only thing an inexperienced shooter wants to worry about is NOT dropping the firearm.
4. Recoil, schmecoil. A semi-auto pistol soaks up some, but not very much, recoil. Decent grips make up for that. Some people make the mistake of getting a pistol too small/light with the idea that it will be easier for a woman to shoot (minimum barrel length of 4", 6 is better, and steel frame only).
I’d go for 6.8, but get a 5.56 upper as well. Be prepared to pay through the teeth for ammo for the 6.8, less for the 5.56. If I was concerned about money, I’d try to get a lower receiver now, and stock up on ammo, then pick up your upper receivers later, since you don’t ned to go through an FFL for one (at least for now).
FTA: “Obama believes the Second Amendment creates an indivisdual right....”
WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! The Second Amendment does NOT create an individual right: It protects an individual right that was already in existence. If the government can create a right by Constitutional fiat, that very same government can take it away. The Second Amendment specifically states that the government can not infringe on the peoples’ right to keep and bear arms; it does not say the government gives them that right. Believe me, the left will use the argument of a government-created right in its attempt to do away with the Second Amendment.
BLOAT = Buy lots of ammo today?
It’s the quote about how Obama “respects” the rights of hunters that jumps out at me, as if the 2nd Amendment was about hunters’ rights or even the rights of people to protect themselves from crime, it isn’t, it’s about the Constitution stating explicitly that free born citizens have the right to shoot government officials who seriously abuse their powers, it’s not about hunting, not about sports, not about crime, it’s about defending a free people from their government if the need arises.
Odd how the President elect isn’t aware of that fact seeing as how he’s a fancy lawyer and all. I suspect some government agents may soon discover to their cost what the Second Amendment is really about in the coming years and it ain’t about hunting.
Snub nosed 38 with a hidden hammer.
Then she can’t break her thumb off when she gets it in front of the ejection process of a semi. Can’t screw up the hammer. Just point and pull the trigger.
And as she grinds her way through that long DA trigger pull instead....
I have a carry permit and like an old Colt 32 auto. Mostly because it is almost undetectable.
Some say it is not a good choice cause it lacks 45 knock down power. I always think I can hit what I aim at.
True it will not put you on your butt if I hit you in the arm but I’ll get your attention. P
P-89 Ruger and Kimber are just too large to effectively hide.
What say you?
I’m not disputing this claim. I think it a reasonable idea. I just don’t remember it actually stating that I can go shoot an official for trying to deny my gun rights?
Fayetteville’s gun show is about in two weeks, Dec 6th & 7th.
I’ll be there Saturday morning to check out the crowd and pick up a few odds & ends.
That would be it.
Have either of you any experience with the .40cal HiPower? I'm a huge fan of the 9mm version, but never had a chance to try the .40.
I have no problem with a .32 providing:
1) They be able to hit consistently the size of a folded dollar bill (size of the typical human heart) at 7 yards
2) They practice not only accuracy but being able to draw and acquire the target
3) Practice the double tap
4) Practice drawing and firing from multiple positions (laying down stomach, laying down back, sitting on ground, sitting in a chair, etc)
5) Carry a mix of loads (ball, HP, ball, HP, etc)
Remember, Jack Ruby used a snub-nosed .38 to kill Oswald and that was an abdomen shot.
It’s pretty much what you’d expect - a bit more felt recoil, more muzzle flip, a little heavier, but pretty much the same weapon.
Unfortunately, then you get to the downsides of the .40 BHP, and that’s magazines. Stock flush fit .40 mags only hold 10 rounds, which means you give up three rounds right off the bat. The 15 and 17 round Mec-Gar/Military contract/Argentine mags in 9mm have no .40 counterparts, so that’s even more of a disadvantage. Finally, there are dimensional differences between some parts of the .40s and the 9mms, so there’s a parts issue there, too.
If you like .40 and you like the HP (and shoot it well), there are worse options you could choose. However, most people seem to be of the opinion that the .40 BHP is not the happiest marriage of caliber and weapon and that BHPs are best in 9mm.
Just an aside. I went to the Dixie Gun and Knife show at Raleigh NC this past Saturday. I have NEVER seen anything like it! Doors opened at 9. We got there at 10 and waited in low 30 degree weather (wind blowing!) for over an HOUR just to get in the door. People were fairly cheerful and I heard a LOT of really bad racist jokes about Obama (I am ashamed to say I laughed at some of them, they were really funny sometimes!).
I went two years ago and there were STACKS of AK and SKS, so I thought “the price may have gone up a bit but I am here early” WRONG. I got the LAST AK from a huge dealer (we are talking new, alright? there were plenty of “pre-ban” AK-47s around.... at over 2,000 dollars apiece!) and the price was DOUBLE two years ago. I also bought a paratrooper norinco sks with black matte finish, folding stock, pistol grip, removable clip, flash suppressor and bayonette (who cares about a baynonette???) for just under 500 dollars, but it was the ONLY removable clip I could find on an sks!
Every dealer I asked about AKs sang the same song “I could sell at truckload of them at a thousand dollars a piece if I could just GET them!” (I considered asking them if that were true, why the price on THESE wasn’t a thou, but I just plunked down my money instead).
Ammo? Forget it. Price has already tripled. One outfit had a whole pallet of 7.62 at 250 dollars per thousand rounds.... sold out by 11:00 a.m.
Like I said, this was like nothing I have ever seen. Even pre-Clinton was not this bad.
There were nice tables of glocks, sigs, colts etc handguns., but everyone wanted Ruger minis, AR15s, and AKs... especially AKs. I may run down to the Fayetteville show in a week or so and buy another one just to flip it when Obama takes office. ......, I sold the sks to an acquaintance of mine for 200 more than I bought it less than 4 hours later. Got his copy of driver’s license and concealed carry permit in my safe this a.m. and the money in my billfold.
And Franz Ferdinand was killed by a neck shot from a FN/Browning Model 1910 chambered in .380 Auto. His wife, the Duchess, was also killed by an abdominal shot from the same gun.
And, of course, RFK was killed by a headshot from a .22LR Iver Johnson Cadet revolver.
Mouse-caliber guns may not be what one would prefer, but if it’s what you can score with, go with it. :D
I've owned two of them, can't say I honestly care for the gun. The controls are too small to be effective, especially in an emergency such as the prospective buyer describes. If his wife is 71 and has trouble racking the slide on their existing gun, she will have trouble releasing the safety and / or the slide release on a Hi-Power.
I would suggest a Ruger 10-22 with four 30 round magazines, loaded with CCI Stingers. They're still fairly politically correct, easy to operate, easy to shoot, and while a .22, even with Stingers, isn't an elephant killer, you've got enough fire power to make anybody but King Kong reconsider. IMHO
That's my strategy, except I bought both a completed lower and a stripped lower that I'll probably end up losing somewhere before too long. Those darn black parts are so find to see when they get lost.
Like a good friend of mine said: “With the way things are going my new motto is a can of Campbell’s soup and an extra magazine.”
You must have had some really OLD High Powers. Modern ones come with big (sometimes) ambi safeties and larger magazine release buttons; these can also be retrofitted to older models.
There’s “racking the slide” and there’s racking the slide. If what the guy has is a SIG 229, then yeah, she’s probably going to have problems racking it. Heck, if my hands are even remotely slick, I can have problems racking the slide on some 229s I’ve come across. Likewise most direct blowback pistols. I find the HP very easy to operate, the slide is low effort. And, by the way, you shouldn’t be using the slide release on the HP to load the gun anyway. Rack the slide instead.
Also, there have been several notes of FTS with CCI Stingers of late, even from rifles. I’d recommend something like a Mossberg HS410 before I’d recommend a .22 rifle for home defense.
I've heard this from several left-wing quarters; some credible. Talk of an exorbitant tax on ammo, similar to cigarettes, as well as purchase limits per day/week/month. What are they going to do, issue ammo stamps!?
I'm BLOATing this week.
I’m looking at an M-1A, personally. I like the .308 much better than the .223.
You know, with all the recent “neck down” cartridges, I wonder what kind of ballistics you would get with a .32 bullet in a .41 mag neck down case. I suspect it would be “hotter” than the 357 SIG.
Freepers run a close second.
The time to look at those was before the election. Prices are way up.
‘Unintended Consequences’ by John Ross is a long but good read.
OOPS! 6.45X39 should have been 5.45x39......TYPO ALERT!
We can dream.
*** Ive seen a grandma with a .22LR pistol that could decide which eyeball she wanted to take out at 10 meters .... its quite scary to watch her actually.***
I’m not a grandma yet, but of that age.
After seeing my target (with very little left of his head) asked why I now only practice head shots.
I answered, “the people that come after us may be wearing vests.”
I think the definition is over here with
Funny, but sadly true.
I didn’t say that the 2nd Amendment was specifically about defending the rights of gun ownership as oposed to any other fundamental right.
My point was that the amendment is not about hunting which is how opponents often portray it (”Ok we understand some of you dumb hicks like hunting so we will allow you reasonable hunting weapons but nothing other than that, fair enough?”).
The 2nd Amendment is a general declaration that to prevent anyone trying to take away freedom and security (it doesn’t say who that ‘anyone’ might be, it could be a foreign army, a group of bandits or even the government of the United States) then citizens must have the right to bear arms to defend their freedom and security.
The 2nd Amendment has Sweet Fanny Adams to do with hunting, it has everything to do with the defence of liberty, the right of free citizens to defend themselves from government oppression, President elect Obama seems to be unaware of this basic fact.
“”Barack Obama recognizes that firearm ownership is a rich tradition in American life,” spokesman Reid Cherlin said in a telephone interview this week. “Obama believes the Second Amendment creates an individual right, and he respects the constitutional rights of Americans to bear arms. He will protect the rights of hunters and other law-abiding Americans to purchase, own, and transport, and use guns, and he will support the right of communities to enact common-sense gun safety laws.” “
What a liar! So, this is how Obama wants to play propaganda! First, he’ll put out a false message of support, then smack us with anti-firearm laws, then claim he was always been for firearms and will reference this false statement as proof.