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Coleman vs. Franken isn't Florida 2000
Let Freedom Ring Blog ^ | November 24, 2008 | Editorial

Posted on 11/24/2008 7:43:46 AM PST by St. Louis Conservative

Some national media types are trying to make it sound like the Coleman-Franken recount sound like Florida 2000. It’s time to deflate that myth. The minute that public hears that someone has to determine voter intent, they first flash back to Florida’s butterfly ballots, then think of the punch cards ballots.

While it’s natural to do that, that isn’t the case. In Florida 2000, people were debating voter intent based on the chad family (dimpled, pregnant or hanging.) Minnesota’s ballots are extremely straightforward. When determining voter intent, here’s some things to look for:

1) Did the voter fill in the oval?
2) Did the voter put a check mark inside the oval?
3) Did the voter put an X inside the oval?
4) Did the voter underline the candidate’s name?
5) Did the voter circle the candidate’s name?
6) Did the voter fill in more than one oval? If they did, then voter intent can’t be determined.

Minnesota election law stipulates that voter intent can only be determined by what’s marked on the ballot’s face. If people haven’t underlined or circled the candidate’s name, then they have to have either filled in the oval, put a check mark in the oval or put an X inside the oval. Those are extremely objective benchmarks. They aren’t subjective by any stretch of the imagination.

The election officials that I’ve worked with have been courteous and professional. The methods they use are consistent, logical and straightforward. Now that I’ve worked within the system, it’s my opinion that the administrative side is flawless.

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: alfranken; floridarecount; minnesota; mn2008; normcoleman; recount

1 posted on 11/24/2008 7:43:46 AM PST by St. Louis Conservative
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To: St. Louis Conservative
Minnesota election law stipulates that voter intent can only be determined by what’s marked on the ballot’s face.

Ah...but here's the dilemma.Put this case before a *Carter* appointed judge and it becomes a whole 'nother matter.

2 posted on 11/24/2008 7:48:45 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Obama:"Ich bin ein beginner")
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To: St. Louis Conservative

There is so much at stake here. Coleman has a lifetime American Conservative Union rating of 73. Little Al would be a zero. We need every vote for slowing and obstructing the radical agenda of the new Obamanation.


3 posted on 11/24/2008 7:50:51 AM PST by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Did the party ask you to come up and help? Are there many out of state folks helping?


4 posted on 11/24/2008 7:51:18 AM PST by DManA
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Franken is stealing the election.

My guess is the rats will steal the one in Georgia.

America has been New Jerseytized. The ONLY way to beat the Democrats again - EVER - is by double digit numbers. If the votes are too close, they will use tactics honed to precision in New York City, Chicago and Hudson Couonty New Jersey to steal the election - just as we are viewing in Minnesota.


5 posted on 11/24/2008 7:51:40 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: ZULU

Oh, gosh. Hyperbole much?


6 posted on 11/24/2008 7:58:11 AM PST by St. Louis Conservative
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To: St. Louis Conservative
As I was one of the recounters in the 2004 WA gubernatorial election, these rules are correct. It really was pretty straightforward to figure out intent, nobody got cross-eyed peering at holes in punchcards.

The fix came in with ballots that were "found" after the first count was done on Election Day. Hopefully, Coleman's got some folks familiar with those shenanigans, and is keeping an eye on recount ballot counts, versus original ballot counts.

7 posted on 11/24/2008 7:58:46 AM PST by hunter112 (We seem to be on an excrement river in a Native American watercraft without a propulsion device.)
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To: ZULU

“just as we are viewing in Minnesota”

Well, I was thinking the same thing, until I saw the spread widen to 180 on Saturday night. Hennepin County (the most liberal one out there) hasn’t been the boon for Franken at least yet.

If they’re going to steal it, they’d better get busy, because more than 2/3 of the votes have been recounted, and Coleman has only seen a net drop of 35 votes. Both candidates are roughly even in challenges, so that will likely be a wash. Any wide swings now after this far along are going to be tough to cover up now. Do I think they’re still going to try to steal it? You bet, but their window of opportunity is shrinking fast, much to my surprise.

I’m no big fan of Coleman, but we need him in the Senate.


8 posted on 11/24/2008 8:01:24 AM PST by ScottinVA (Gloucester County, VA -- Standing for America! 63% for McCain-Palin on 4 Nov)
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To: ZULU

Correction, the only way we will overcome the rule of the new Communists Party (formally RATS) is a uprising. The Communists will never allow another election but will just extend the ruling party indefinitely. The Constitution is done. The new rule will be Global, with it’s head at the UN. The US will be one of the Third World and forget capitalism. Horrible thought. Well, if we don’t get busy, that will be it.


9 posted on 11/24/2008 8:02:20 AM PST by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: ZULU
The ONLY way to beat the Democrats again - EVER - is by double digit numbers by out-cheating them. There, fixed it. We cannot win by "enough" numbers against people who cheat with impunity. Our side and theirs are playing by different rules of engagement.
10 posted on 11/24/2008 8:05:06 AM PST by Sans-Culotte
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To: ZULU
Franken is stealing the election.

My guess is the rats will steal the one in Georgia.

America has been New Jerseytized. The ONLY way to beat the Democrats again - EVER - is by double digit numbers. If the votes are too close, they will use tactics honed to precision in New York City, Chicago and Hudson Couonty New Jersey to steal the election - just as we are viewing in Minnesota.

Dang it has to be depressing to be such a negative person.

Facts don't back you up, but go ahead and live in your depressing little world but it is so far from realistic as to be laughable.

11 posted on 11/24/2008 8:06:04 AM PST by billva
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To: billva

“Dang it has to be depressing to be such a negative person.”

I must admit I was feeling pretty negative about the developments early on in the recount, but since it’s been made more understandable, I’m not so dour in my prediction. Coleman may pull this out after all. But I am still stunned that so many people in MN would vote for some scumball like Fecalfranken.


12 posted on 11/24/2008 8:10:04 AM PST by ScottinVA (Gloucester County, VA -- Standing for America! 63% for McCain-Palin on 4 Nov)
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To: hunter112
My problem is with the "mail in" vote and it is now "huge". If you're a registered Republican and sent in your vote, how do you know it was counted??

Change the day at the polls to a Saturday. And "Absentee" means you're out of Town....not sitting in a bar two blocks away from the polling place because "you don't wanna stand in line".....or whatever excuse you have.

Everything attached to voting is getting chaotic...ballots in different languages, illegals voting, criminals voting, all different times...

In a Federal Election, all rules should be absolutely consistent....and ALL ballots should be in English.

13 posted on 11/24/2008 8:13:09 AM PST by Sacajaweau (I'm planting corn...Have to feed my car...)
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To: Gay State Conservative

This has nothing to do with federal courts. Minnesota courts have jurisdiction.


14 posted on 11/24/2008 8:21:06 AM PST by GivingMurthaAShove
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To: ScottinVA
But I am still stunned that so many people in MN would vote for some scumball like Fecalfranken.

Or for Jesse Ventura. It makes me think that maybe Jery Springer COULD have won here in Ohio.

15 posted on 11/24/2008 8:24:02 AM PST by far sider
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To: GivingMurthaAShove

So you’re *absolutely* certain that Frankenstein won’t be able to get some Carter or Clinton-appointed Federal judge to take the case on “civil rights” or “equal protection” grounds.


16 posted on 11/24/2008 8:25:07 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Obama:"Ich bin ein beginner")
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To: ZULU

Take a deep breath. Your opinion is understandable but it isn’t fact-based. In fact, the lesson learned from this is that well-written election laws, coupled with flawlessly designed ballots make election theft improbable.

I also disagree with your statement ath the only way to win is by double-digits. We need to modernize the party. Voting right isn’t enough anymore. We need people that know policy cold. We need people that consistently articulate the conservative message in appealing way. We need to use 21st Century technology for fundraising, event planning & to bypass the Agenda Media’s filter.

If we don’t do those things, then we’ll forever be the minority party.


17 posted on 11/24/2008 8:27:56 AM PST by GivingMurthaAShove
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To: Gay State Conservative

Positive


18 posted on 11/24/2008 8:28:57 AM PST by GivingMurthaAShove
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To: St. Louis Conservative

No.

Just pragmatitize a lot.


19 posted on 11/24/2008 8:41:37 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: ScottinVA

I’m no big fan of Coleman, but we need him in the Senate.

Don’t know Coleman from Santa Claus but I KNOW that Franken is a dangerous leftist fool and we need that seat.


20 posted on 11/24/2008 8:44:16 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: Sans-Culotte
Well, true if the numbers are close. They can chip off maybe 5% of the vote through cheating. But even that would require a lot of work. The greater the disparity between them and us in the actual vote counts, the harder to cheat.
21 posted on 11/24/2008 8:47:31 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: ScottinVA
I must admit I was feeling pretty negative about the developments early on in the recount, but since it’s been made more understandable, I’m not so dour in my prediction. Coleman may pull this out after all. But I am still stunned that so many people in MN would vote for some scumball like Fecalfranken.

Yes it is kind of depressing so many people would vote for that jerk.

But remember a couple of things, Minn is a heavily democratic state and there is the snowball effect in this election. Republicans were going to lose this time and not much could be done about that and it threw votes to Franken he would not normally get.

My gut fel about this jerk is that this is his one and only opportunity and the voters wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole in future elections.

Let's just hope we get this one close and Franken goes somewhere else out of the limelight.

22 posted on 11/24/2008 8:47:37 AM PST by billva
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To: billva

“Facts don’t back you up, but go ahead and live in your depressing little world but it is so far from realistic as to be laughable. “

What facts.


23 posted on 11/24/2008 8:48:59 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: GivingMurthaAShove

“I also disagree with your statement ath the only way to win is by double-digits. We need to modernize the party. Voting right isn’t enough anymore. We need people that know policy cold. We need people that consistently articulate the conservative message in appealing way. We need to use 21st”

True.

I just ahve been pretty depressed since the election - I enve have trouble sleeping - thinking about Obama in the White House and Pelosi and Reed running Congress.

Its very depressing.


24 posted on 11/24/2008 8:50:41 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: GivingMurthaAShove
Positive

Wow! I hope you don''t believe in the Tooth Fairy too! There's no way that *anyone* can be positive that that won't happen.Federal judges are appointed for life.They see themselves as the Duke of a small fiefdom.They can take any case that's presented to them.Yes,they might be overruled by a higher court but they don't care.I'll wager every nickel I have that Frankenstein takes this case to the Federal courts if he winds up losing the recount and I wouldn't bet a *single* nickel that his effort will fail...

25 posted on 11/24/2008 8:53:01 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Obama:"Ich bin ein beginner")
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Who is watching the RAT operatives involved in the recount to prevent them from double marking Coleman ballots to invalidate them?


26 posted on 11/24/2008 9:43:57 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: GivingMurthaAShove

I just did the digging into Minnesota state election law mandates for elction-related lawsuits. Here’s the link to my post:

http://www.letfreedomringblog.com/?p=3407


27 posted on 11/24/2008 10:09:10 AM PST by GivingMurthaAShove
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To: Gay State Conservative

They lack jurisdiction. PERIOD. The US Supreme Court would shoot any attempt to usurp the state’s authority.


28 posted on 11/24/2008 10:10:56 AM PST by GivingMurthaAShove
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To: St. Louis Conservative

If a voter puts a circle around Franken and a check in Coleman, who is the lucky winner?


29 posted on 11/24/2008 11:34:30 AM PST by dbacks (God help the USA.)
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