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Dad Knew Who Killed JFK
Pajamas Media ^ | November 24 | Arieh O'Sullivan

Posted on 11/24/2008 10:55:04 AM PST by AJKauf

On April 7, 1964, a 26-year-old detective in the New Orleans Police Department skipped up the steps into the Old Civil Courts building in New Orleans and presented himself to the Warren Commission investigating the assassination of President Kennedy.

I’d always known my father had been acquainted with Oswald. They had not only grown up half a block away from each other, but had shared homerooms at school. Sitting alphabetically, my old man Fred sat in front of Oswald for years. O’Sullivan next to Oswald.

Sifting through my Dad’s papers I came upon a letter from Jacqueline Kennedy thanking my father for appearing before the commission. It wasn’t something he spoke of often — just a tidbit of information in a life that went on to greater adventures. ...

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1 posted on 11/24/2008 10:55:04 AM PST by AJKauf
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To: AJKauf

Read Bugliosi’s book about the assassination (”Reclaiming History). Oswald was one strange individual.


2 posted on 11/24/2008 11:02:25 AM PST by ScottinVA (Gloucester County, VA -- Standing for America! 63% for McCain-Palin on 4 Nov)
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To: AJKauf

But just before he passed away, I summoned up the courage to ask him: “Who killed JFK?” As if he personally held the secret to the Holy Grail of America’s most puzzling enigma.

“Just Lee,” he said. “By himself.”

___________

Yup, there is just as much evidence against Oswald as there is O.J. Simpson, many people just choose to ignore it.

The crime of the century has been solved 100 times over, there is no mystery.


3 posted on 11/24/2008 11:02:26 AM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: AJKauf

bttt


4 posted on 11/24/2008 11:02:42 AM PST by TEXOKIE
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To: AJKauf

Hmmmmm!


5 posted on 11/24/2008 11:04:19 AM PST by geologist (The only answer to the troubles of this life is Jesus. A decision we all must make.)
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To: word_warrior_bob

Well said.


6 posted on 11/24/2008 11:04:31 AM PST by safeasthebanks ("The most rewarding part, was when he gave me my money!" - Dr. Nick)
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To: ScottinVA

“Read Bugliosi’s book...”

Meant to say, “I read Bugliosi’s book...”


7 posted on 11/24/2008 11:11:46 AM PST by ScottinVA (Gloucester County, VA -- Standing for America! 63% for McCain-Palin on 4 Nov)
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To: word_warrior_bob

>> “Just Lee,” he said. “By himself.”

Of course. No “conspirator” with half a brain would add a guy like Oswald to the operation, even as a patsy. Plots need to be carried out by regular, predictable people.


8 posted on 11/24/2008 11:12:23 AM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Stop feeding Leftist education systems. Don't let your kids go there.)
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To: AJKauf

A senior CIA official while slightly inebriated one night made the following statement while looking off in the distance: “I wonder how the American people would take it if they knew one president had another president killed”. One knew to just listen and not ask any questions..but there was only one president killed in modern times..and only two possible presidents who could have had a reason..either Nixon or LBJ. I would bet on LBJ, it was the only way he would ever have made it to the oval office. The first name of the man who made the statement was Noel…I hope he tells the rest of the story while he is still alive. The American people deserve to know.


9 posted on 11/24/2008 11:14:00 AM PST by flash2368 (Scary Times)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

Great point, Oswald was a deluded fame seeker as evidenced by his debate appearance defending Marxist-Leninism, he was a loose cannon and one of the LAST people anyone could trust to be part of a conspiracy.


10 posted on 11/24/2008 11:14:43 AM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: AJKauf

Maybe Oswald shot Kennedy by himself but how did he know the route of the president’s motorcade the day before? He took his rifle to work that morning. I think he shot JFK but I think he had inside information from people who had much to gain from JFK’s death.


11 posted on 11/24/2008 11:17:05 AM PST by TheThinker (It is the natural tendency of government to gravitate towards tyranny.)
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To: flash2368

in agreement.


12 posted on 11/24/2008 11:17:34 AM PST by mrs tiggywinkle (Hosea 10:12)
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To: ScottinVA
Read Bugliosi’s book about the assassination (”Reclaiming History). Oswald was one strange individual.

After watching Stone's movie JFK, I was hung up on the magic bullet theory. It wasn't until I heard Bugliosi describe Kennedy and Connally's seating arrangment (Connally on a jump seat a few inches left and lower than Kennedy's seat) that I saw that the shot which hit both was nearly a straight line.

13 posted on 11/24/2008 11:17:58 AM PST by KarlInOhio (11/4: The revolutionary socialists beat the Fabian ones. Where can we find a capitalist party?)
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To: flash2368

LBJ did seem happy when taking the oath of office on Air Force One.


14 posted on 11/24/2008 11:18:09 AM PST by TheThinker (It is the natural tendency of government to gravitate towards tyranny.)
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To: TheThinker

If I remember correctly the route was previously posted in the local newspaper.


15 posted on 11/24/2008 11:18:53 AM PST by ChuckHam
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To: TheThinker

The motorcade route was printed in the paper, you know it was a public event, like a parade with people lining the route to wave and take pictures, not some last second secret. Millions had the “inside” information to know where the President would be that day.


16 posted on 11/24/2008 11:20:06 AM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: word_warrior_bob

I’ve always felt that the reason for all the suppression that opened up so many conspiracy theories had more to do with the “how,” rather than the who. As Oswald had access to the CIA for a time, I wonder if he used a prototype semi-automatic and the bolt action was planted to cover up the Agency’s mistake.


17 posted on 11/24/2008 11:21:17 AM PST by Ingtar (For the first time in my adult life, I am NOT proud of America.)
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To: ScottinVA

Does that book discuss his Russian language studies funded by the U.S. military?


18 posted on 11/24/2008 11:22:34 AM PST by sarasota
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To: KarlInOhio

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSBXW1-VGmM

Here you go.


19 posted on 11/24/2008 11:22:52 AM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: KarlInOhio

Didn’t the final shot that killed Kennedy enter from the front?


20 posted on 11/24/2008 11:25:05 AM PST by sarasota
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To: TheThinker
Maybe Oswald shot Kennedy by himself but how did he know the route of the president’s motorcade the day before? He took his rifle to work that morning. I think he shot JFK but I think he had inside information from people who had much to gain from JFK’s death.

The route was announced a few days beforehand.

Map from Dallas Times-Herald

Dallas Morning News November 19, 1963

Dallas Times-Herald November 19, 1963

All included the jog onto Elm right past the Schoolbook Depository.

I found this info on http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/route.htm

21 posted on 11/24/2008 11:27:51 AM PST by KarlInOhio (11/4: The revolutionary socialists beat the Fabian ones. Where can we find a capitalist party?)
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To: AJKauf

Well, somebody’s gotta ask:

:)

So, if the first shot by Oswald was from the right rear, how is it Jackie Kennedy crawls over the back seat to the rear of the trunk to retrieve Kennedy’s brains which had fallen to the rear of the limo?

Watching the film the first shot seems to come from the fight front, not from the right rear. From the right rear, the scalp piece should have gone into the front seat. But it doesn’t. And Jackie goes immediately over the back seat to grab the disconnected part of Jack’s head. Gruesome, to be sure, but that’s what happens.

The limo didn’t speed up that fast initially or she would have been thrown over the trunk onto the road. And then the second (?) shot goes through Kennedy’s neck.


22 posted on 11/24/2008 11:28:17 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: F15Eagle

(don’t know if that was actually the first shot, BTW).


23 posted on 11/24/2008 11:29:01 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: AJKauf
The only theory I have ever held about JFKs assassination was....'The 'Lone Nut' was working for somebody.....Who?

I thought it was interesting in the June speech from Muammur Khadafi he mentions Obama is a muslim.....then launches into JFK, assassination and the Israelis..... ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfvE-P--2Zw

24 posted on 11/24/2008 11:30:19 AM PST by BossLady (Ok Everybody......Get Ready For ......'THE MOOD RING PRESIDENCY'......)
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To: ScottinVA

I always preferred Seinfeld’s one magic lugi theory.


25 posted on 11/24/2008 11:31:42 AM PST by newfreep ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." - P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: flash2368

LBJ govt incredibly richer off the Vietnam War. He was a major shareholder in Brown & Root construction which build many bases in SE Asia. Many defense contractors were also in TX. He probably made out alright from the space program too.

Brown & Root became KBR which was spun off from Halliburton.

Nixon? He was almost broke when he was forced out of office.

Joe Pesci’s over the top David Ferrie in the movie was good. JFK did have a great cast. John Candy as the creepy attorney amd Gary Oldman as Oswald.


26 posted on 11/24/2008 11:32:17 AM PST by Frantzie
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To: sarasota

No.


27 posted on 11/24/2008 11:35:34 AM PST by Sloth (What's the difference between taxation and armed robbery, aside from who's doing it?)
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To: Ingtar

All the answers are available if you’re willing to read, it’s not very complicated what happened, we have the rifle, we have the killer, we know where he shot from.


28 posted on 11/24/2008 11:39:17 AM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: Frantzie

Most all the performances in JFK were classic, I LOVE that movie, if viewed as a paranoid black comedy farce it’s one of the greatest movies ever.


29 posted on 11/24/2008 11:41:57 AM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: Frantzie
Johnson Fence Company. All of the chain link fences on every post in and out of Viet Nam were made by the Johnson fence company...owned by LBJ and Ladybird.
30 posted on 11/24/2008 11:42:43 AM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: AJKauf

Oswald did it, OK? Jeeze. Lots of people wanted Kennedy dead, but Oswald did it.


31 posted on 11/24/2008 11:43:51 AM PST by ozzymandus
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To: word_warrior_bob

Some very good performances. I was watching it for a while the other night on cable. JFK is a saint, Texans are gun nuts, military is evil, Kevin Bacon as a gay jail bird foaming at the mouth anti-communist - the standard left wing Oliver Stone agenda.

Pesci going nuts as David Ferrie was great. Bill Murray’s brother as Jack Ruby. Gary Oldman is great but I do not get him mumbling as Oswald but I do not think I have ever heard Oswald speak.


32 posted on 11/24/2008 11:46:50 AM PST by Frantzie
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To: flash2368

A senior CIA official while slightly inebriated one night made the following statement while looking off in the distance: “I wonder how the American people would take it if they knew one president had another president killed”. One knew to just listen and not ask any questions..but there was only one president killed in modern times..and only two possible presidents who could have had a reason..either Nixon or LBJ.

Wait...a third possibility! George W. Bush! That’s it, Bush is to blame! Where was he in November 1963?


33 posted on 11/24/2008 11:47:50 AM PST by Paratrooper
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To: TheThinker

Motorcade routes were routinely published back then. As a young kid I remember people lining the streets along the way.

If the route hadn’t been published we wouldn’t have the Zapruder film.


34 posted on 11/24/2008 11:48:52 AM PST by EEDUDE
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To: vetvetdoug

Thanks. Yeah LBJ left office as the wealthiest President with the exception of maybe Geo Washington. Washington inflation adjusted was supposedly a billionaire.

What is weird is after he left office the family almost disappeared off the radar.


35 posted on 11/24/2008 11:49:29 AM PST by Frantzie
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To: AJKauf

I believe Oswald shot Kennedy. I don’t believe that alone means that there weren’t other assassins or a conspiracy to kill him. Did they exist? I don’t know, but just assuming Oswald was guilty doesn’t completely invalidate the idea that other assassins were present and may or may not have acted.


36 posted on 11/24/2008 11:49:32 AM PST by Doc Savage ("Are you saying Jesus can't hit a curve ball? - Harris to Cerrano - Major League)
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To: Frantzie

Pesci was incredible, Tommy Lee Jones was great too, Candy is great, Gary Oldman is one of my favorite actors and Coppala’s Dracula is one of my favorite movies.


37 posted on 11/24/2008 11:50:28 AM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: TheThinker

I believe I read that the newspapers ran the route in their papers the day before so folks could turn out.


38 posted on 11/24/2008 11:51:40 AM PST by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspell)
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To: F15Eagle
Watching the film the first shot seems to come from the fight front, not from the right rear.

And why does JFK's head violently lurch to the rear if he was shot from behind?  The documentary "experts" say this is possible but I've never been able to understand why.

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39 posted on 11/24/2008 11:52:06 AM PST by JCG
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To: ScottinVA
Oswald was one strange individual.

How can we get in touch with him?

40 posted on 11/24/2008 11:52:14 AM PST by IbJensen (Obombazombies have given America to the Communists!)
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To: ScottinVA

Bugliosi is a strange individual too. He concocted an elaborate conspiracy theory about Charles Manson and the Beatles to pin a “murder” charge on Charlie who did not commit the murders himself.

Bugliosi has also concocted a new conspiracy theory to charge President Bush with murder.

Bugliosi is a strange individual.


41 posted on 11/24/2008 11:53:44 AM PST by weegee (Sec. of State Clinton. What kind of change is it to keep the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton Oligarchy?)
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To: F15Eagle
There was a book written a ways back.. a least 10-15 yrs that had a a very interesting curve to the story. The guy that wrote the book was either the doctor that was the attending physician at Parkland Hosp or was assisting. He put forth the theory that Oswald indeed took the first shot and missed (the bullet hit the windshield support ), the Secret Service agent in the car behind reached down to get his M-16, as he was rising back up the car lurched forward causing him to fall backwards and accidentally fire his weapon.. hitting JFK in the back top of his head. Oswald fire again hitting JFK in the neck.
He supported this all with photos, including one that shows the SS agent with the rife in is hand and falling backwards.... It was the only theory that made sense to cover up the shooting...the agent was flown out of Dallas before LBJ was sworn in BTW
42 posted on 11/24/2008 11:54:41 AM PST by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: word_warrior_bob

Gary Oldman in the Professional (aka Leon) or Romeo is Bleeding. so many good ones with Oldman.

I was suprised how restrained Tommy Lee Jones was because he usually is yelling. I do not like Oliver Stone but the cast saved him on JFK. Vincent D’fornio from the TV cop show early on as a witness in Dallas. Saw that the other night.

Stone is a jerk but he also wrote the screenplay for Scarface another great over the top black comedy/cartoon.

Joe Pesci plays great psychopaths. Saw him on the Golf Channel. He is a nice old guy now and golf nut.


43 posted on 11/24/2008 11:56:04 AM PST by Frantzie
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To: AJKauf

The one thing (of many) that sticks in my craw was how did Oswald get off three shots in the alloted time - at a moving target - with THAT rifle. The Carcano, as I recall, was notorious for jamming/not locking.

Why would Oswald put his faith in the Carcano, when he was trained on the infinitely better M-1 Garand? Even FBI agents could not make that shot on the first try with the Carcano! And they were much better shots than Oswald.


44 posted on 11/24/2008 11:56:14 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners.)
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To: TheThinker
Maybe Oswald shot Kennedy by himself but how did he know the route of the president’s motorcade the day before?

I'm pretty certain the motorcade route was published in the paper the day before.

45 posted on 11/24/2008 11:58:18 AM PST by mockingbyrd (Sarah 2012!)
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To: TheThinker

Did you ever think to yourself how the thousands of other witnesses to JFK’s murder in Dealey Plaza knew the route of the motorcade before you hit the ‘post’ button?


46 posted on 11/24/2008 11:58:28 AM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: JCG

There were two shooters. It’s the only logical conclusion. It is said two motorcycle officers to the left rear of the limo were splattered with blood and brains (I’d have to check to confirm that).

It was not apparently the first shot as I said earlier; that is a mistake.

The first shot appears to be a miss which Connolly (sp) reacts to.

The second, from the Jennings video above (animation) pierce’s Kennedy’s back and exits below the right nipple.

The third pierces Kennedy’s neck, causing him to raise his arms up awkwardly and continues on into John Connolly.

Then Kennedy is hit with a final shot, which had to come from the right front because the brain matter is sent to the left-rear. Jackie is able to turn around, crawl slightly onto the trunk, retrieve the brains and then turn around and sit back down in her seat, where she proceeds to show the brains and remark to Mrs. Connolly.

I don’t know that there is a “conspiracy”, though I have my personal thoughts. However, two shooters, one of which is apparently Oswald from the Repository, is quite reasonable and supported by the film evidence.


47 posted on 11/24/2008 11:58:57 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: NTHockey
Mannlicher-Carcanos are very capable and smooth military rifles. The notion that they weren't comes from Oliver Stone's movie JFK and several conspiracist books.
48 posted on 11/24/2008 12:00:25 PM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: Robe

causing him to fall backwards and accidentally fire his weapon”

Wow.

That’d be a pretty big $%*$& up.


49 posted on 11/24/2008 12:00:46 PM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: TheThinker
Back then they published that sort of info so all the adoring fans could line up to see their hero and cheer him on.

They might on occasion still do that today, but you'll notice the pres is behind several inches of ballistic glass and armor, and the limo drivers don't dally, and SS snipers will be lining the route scanning windows and other places.

Lessons learned.

50 posted on 11/24/2008 12:01:12 PM PST by AFreeBird
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