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The JFK Assassination: Your Theories Please
Pajamas Media ^ | November 24 | Ron Rosenbaum

Posted on 11/24/2008 12:59:19 PM PST by AJKauf

Two massive books by Lamar Waldron and Thom Hartmann, most recently Legacy of Secrecy have me going back to the Mob hit theory although I just don’t buy their unnecessary post-assassination cover-up theory which involves a supposed coup against Castro. Like that was more shameful than the murder of a president. But they’ve done a service by digging up the deepest, darkest, most disturbing archival evidence to support their Mob hit theory.

Anyway, I’m interested: what do people think, those of you who still think about it? Some may say, who cares we’ll never know, it’s old news, but I’m not satisfied with that. Historical truth means a lot to me. At one point LBJ said nuclear war was at stake. I want to know if there was someone behind Oswald and why. It’s more important than how Yale could allow Harvard to score two touchdowns (and two two-point conversions) in 42 seconds–though I still can’t reconcile myself to that either...

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1 posted on 11/24/2008 12:59:19 PM PST by AJKauf
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To: AJKauf

NOVEMBER 22, 1963: THE DAY THE COMMUNISTS TOOK OVER THE DEMOCRAT PARTY.


2 posted on 11/24/2008 1:02:14 PM PST by Stayingawayfromthedarkside
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To: AJKauf

Lee Harvey Oswald shot him. There, it’s out in the open. i feel better.


3 posted on 11/24/2008 1:02:33 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: AJKauf

Lead pipe in the library by ......


4 posted on 11/24/2008 1:03:16 PM PST by bmwcyle (McCain had no honor when he failed to defend Sarah Palin, Leno was not enough)
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To: AJKauf
Kennedy survived. His skin was died black, and he's living out his later years at a rest home in East Texas.

With Elvis.

5 posted on 11/24/2008 1:03:25 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: AJKauf

Oswald.

With a rifle.

From the book depository.


6 posted on 11/24/2008 1:03:25 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: AJKauf

A little man named Lee Harvey Oswald.


7 posted on 11/24/2008 1:03:51 PM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Joe 6-pack; AJKauf

dyed


8 posted on 11/24/2008 1:03:51 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: AJKauf

“At one point LBJ said nuclear war was at stake”

All the more reason for groups that aren’t lone nuts NOT to shoot JFK.


9 posted on 11/24/2008 1:03:52 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: Joe 6-pack

Ah yes!

I neglected to take the Bubba Hotep effect into account...


10 posted on 11/24/2008 1:04:30 PM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: AJKauf

Elvis did it, was Bush’s fault.


11 posted on 11/24/2008 1:04:38 PM PST by bikerman
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To: AJKauf

Mob hit...pissed that JFK was “tapping” mobster’s girlfriend..


12 posted on 11/24/2008 1:05:12 PM PST by LottieDah (If only those who speak so eloquently on the rights of animals would do so on behalf of the unborn.)
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To: AJKauf

Three names involved — Lee, Harvey and Oswald.


13 posted on 11/24/2008 1:06:06 PM PST by ScottinVA (Gloucester County, VA -- Standing for America! 63% for McCain-Palin on 4 Nov)
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To: Tublecane; Stayingawayfromthedarkside; AJKauf

Here’s MY theory:

There were TWO gunmen, totally unknown to each other, totally unconnected to each other. It was a “hit” by Oswald and some other unknown that just happened to select the same place because of its location and ease of use. The other may have been CIA or whoever, but there must have been two..........


14 posted on 11/24/2008 1:07:12 PM PST by Red Badger (Never has a man risen so far, so fast and is expected to do so much, for so many, with so little...)
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To: Stayingawayfromthedarkside

Bush’s fault!


15 posted on 11/24/2008 1:07:17 PM PST by McGruff
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To: bikerman; AJKauf

GHW Bush and Nixon did it.

Bush because he was a Texan.

HR Haldeman was one of the “three bums.”

I rest my case.


16 posted on 11/24/2008 1:07:31 PM PST by angkor (Conservatism is not a religious movement.)
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To: AJKauf

Aliens.


17 posted on 11/24/2008 1:07:46 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: AJKauf

Jackie did it. She was pissed about JFK’s infidelities.


18 posted on 11/24/2008 1:08:19 PM PST by Little Ray (Do we have a Plan B?)
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To: bikerman
Sarah Palin from Alaska missing a moose. 3 times.
19 posted on 11/24/2008 1:08:39 PM PST by McGruff
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To: angkor

So many wanted to get him, I’m surprised they didn’t shoot each other at Daly Plaza.


20 posted on 11/24/2008 1:09:10 PM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: angkor

“HR Haldeman was one of the “three bums.””

Actually I heard that Woody Harrelson’s father was one of the “three bums.” He recently died in prison, so he ain’t telling tales.


21 posted on 11/24/2008 1:09:46 PM PST by LottieDah (If only those who speak so eloquently on the rights of animals would do so on behalf of the unborn.)
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To: AJKauf
This guy.


22 posted on 11/24/2008 1:10:25 PM PST by McGruff
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To: AJKauf
Kennedy ate an extra spicy burrito at the Dallas luncheon. He started having gas attacks on the drive to the airport. You can see him reaching for his throat in the Z film, trying to loosen his tie as a gigantic belch was brewing up inside of him. When the belch hit, he blew chunks right into Connelly which severely wounded the governor.

But this was no ordinary burrito. It was extra spicey and when the next wave of gas hit, Kennedy let out a stink that caused his wife to turn in horror, crying "what is that?". JFK hoped the release of gas would relieve the pressure, but he was too late and the pressure built up so quickly that it blew the top of his head off - to the back and to left - to back and to the left.

The government, horrified at what this would do the growing market for Mexican food, hushed up the event and planted the pristine bullet on the gurney at the Dallas hospital and pinned the assignation on Oswald. The Warren Commission misquoted Oswald's statement that "he was a patsie". Actually Oswald said, "I eat pastries" under the erroneous impression that JFK's untimely death was caused by blockage due to a heavy bran muffin and wishing to dissociate himself from culinary catastrophe.
23 posted on 11/24/2008 1:10:41 PM PST by PackerBronco
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To: AJKauf
And Ron Rosebaum’s next book: UFOs and Why the Government is Lying to US.
24 posted on 11/24/2008 1:11:34 PM PST by mojito
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To: All

Considering the evidence it was just Oswald by himself. Looking back at the last 45 years, the Communists have really taken over the Democrat party.


25 posted on 11/24/2008 1:11:45 PM PST by Stayingawayfromthedarkside
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To: AJKauf

Good Lord. What has FreeRepublic become?


26 posted on 11/24/2008 1:11:45 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: AJKauf
THIS THREAD BROUGHT TO YOU COURTESY OF THE ALUMINUM FOIL
MANUFACTURERS OF AMERICA.


27 posted on 11/24/2008 1:11:51 PM PST by Michael.SF. ("They're not Americans. They're liberals! "-- Ann Coulter, May 15, 2008)
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To: AJKauf

I believe Lee Harvey Oswald was th gunman, but I think he was a hired hitman for someone, I don’t know who. It could have been the Mafia, the CIA, LBJ, or the Russians.

My mother saved the newspapers from that day, and even saved the newspaper from the day before. On Nov. 21, 1963, in a small article below the fold of the New Orleans States-Item, my hometown newspaper, there was a little noticed article about a local Mafia don, Carlos Marcello, who was scheduled to go on trial for deportation the next day, the 22nd. I’m sure it is just a coincidence.


28 posted on 11/24/2008 1:12:02 PM PST by murron (Proud Marine Mom)
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To: AJKauf
I've always been fond of the man in the storm drain.

Best forehead shot and all.

29 posted on 11/24/2008 1:12:15 PM PST by TexasCajun
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To: All

Can’t say who did it. Am not sure.

But I see 3-4 shooters in Dealey Plaza...

1 in the Book Depository

1 on the Grassy Knoll

1 on the roof of the Dallas County Courts Annex

1 on the 2nd or 3rd floor of the old Dal-Tex building

or you could eliminate the Dal-Tex shooter and put a second shooter in the Book Depository on the other end of the floor facing down towards Dealey Plaza.

Yeah, yeah, I know. I’m wearing my tinfoil hat. There’s a lot of Freepers who think that it was Oswald alone. I’m not convinced Oswald was the shooter. He may have been. Or he may have been simply involved in the conspiracy as a non-shooter.

I’ve read a lot on the assassination and have read many books, reflecting all sides of the assassination and based on the evidence, I see multiple shooters in Dealey Plaza.

By no means does that make me an expert on what happened. It’s just the say I see it.


30 posted on 11/24/2008 1:12:15 PM PST by MplsSteve
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To: AJKauf

For more reasons than I have the time to explain here I am 100% convinced that the Zapruder film shows the fatal head shot from in front.

(Including the tell-tale ‘ripple’ circle in FRONT where the bullet enters)

Feel free to disagree, but I have a degree in physics... I am reasonably certain of what I think I am seeing.

One thing i have never seen so far is a compter generated film reproduction where they idolate his head and freez the motion of his head, or a fixed position in the car, to remove the jerkiness of the hand held camera.

I think that would convince a lot of people if you could see his head snap back and the spray come out the back, if the motion could be isolated that way.

Any computer geeks out there know how to freeze motion of a fixed point?


31 posted on 11/24/2008 1:12:21 PM PST by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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To: Red Badger
Oswald did it, by himself. He had recently been in Cuba and Castro implanted the idea to pay back the Kennedys for trying to kill Castro. That's the unspoken reason for the embargo.
32 posted on 11/24/2008 1:12:37 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Tublecane

HAY! I TOLD you not to tell>\.


33 posted on 11/24/2008 1:13:02 PM PST by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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To: Red Badger

Here’s MY theory:

There were TWO gunmen, unknown to each other, but arranged by the mob.

One shooting from the front of JFK, Oswald shooting from the Depository. With Oswald set up to take the blame, and then the mob’s guy off’d Oswald so he couldn’t talk.

The Mob thought they were going to be able to conduct business as usual during the Kennedy administration — as a reward to them for helping get Kennedy elected. When they found out that Kennedy had other ideas, they killed him because they thought he had betrayed them.


34 posted on 11/24/2008 1:14:03 PM PST by i_dont_chat
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To: Stayingawayfromthedarkside

It’s amazing how the letter O seems to play a part in the takeover of the left of our country. First, Oswald, and now, you-know-who.


35 posted on 11/24/2008 1:14:08 PM PST by murron (Proud Marine Mom)
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To: AJKauf
A 27 month old Barry Obama X under the orders of his father Malcolm and the marksman training of Black Panthers in his homeland of Kenya arrived in Dallas on the morning of November 19, 1963.

On the afternoon of November 20 "Obama X" scouted sniper locations along the parade route and then on the evening of November 21st met with an L.H. Oswald at a topless bar owned by one J. Ruby to discuss the plot to assassinate the president.

L.H. Oswald was ordered to drop Obama X on a "grassy knoll" located at Dealey Plaza equipped with a baby bottle, three cloth diapers and ahigh powered rifle.

L.H. Oswald never took a shot as that was done by the 27 month old "Obama X." Oswald would later say "That Obama X Baby made me a Patsy!"

36 posted on 11/24/2008 1:14:09 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: AJKauf

Aldous Huxley through the doorway.


37 posted on 11/24/2008 1:15:41 PM PST by RightWhale (Exxon Suxx)
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To: WayneS

"They took a little piece of my brain...I got a little bag of sand up there, now...they dyed my skin black!"

38 posted on 11/24/2008 1:16:00 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: AJKauf

Obama did it.


39 posted on 11/24/2008 1:16:17 PM PST by FFranco
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To: AJKauf
It was a commie hit job. The only question is whether or not the Russians or Cubans were behind it.

From the Wall Street Journal
NOVEMBER 24, 2007

Oswald was a dedicated communist who had defected to the Soviet Union in 1959 out of disgust with American capitalism. After becoming disillusioned with Soviet life, he returned to the U.S. in 1962. In early 1963, he bought a scoped rifle through the mail and soon used it to fire a shot (which missed) at retired general Edwin Walker, the head of the John Birch Society in Dallas. In the summer of 1963, Oswald was active in street demonstrations in support of Castro. In September 1963, he visited the Soviet and Cuban embassies in Mexico City seeking a travel visa that would allow him to travel to Cuba.

Oswald was among the radicals of the time who saw Third World revolutionaries like Castro as the wave of the communist future. He was well aware of Kennedy's efforts to overthrow Castro's regime. As a Senate investigative committee suggested in 1975, Oswald shot Kennedy to interrupt his administration's plans to assassinate Castro or to overthrow his regime in Cuba.

Ignoring Oswald's communist links, journalists and political leaders quickly claimed the president was a martyr to civil rights. Earl Warren said that Kennedy had "suffered martyrdom as a result of the hatred and bitterness that has been injected into the life of our nation by bigots." Martin Luther King said the assassination had to be viewed against the backdrop of violence against civil rights marchers in the South. James Reston wrote in the New York Times that "something in the nation itself, some strain of madness and violence, had destroyed the highest symbol of law and order."

The consensus opinion was that Kennedy was a victim of hate and bigotry, a casualty of his support for civil rights. The Cold War and Kennedy's ongoing feud with Castro were rarely mentioned as factors behind the assassination. The reasons? Mrs. Kennedy wanted her husband remembered as a modern-day Abraham Lincoln. Lyndon Johnson feared complicating relations with the Soviet Union. Liberals feared a replay of the McCarthy period, when the Wisconsin senator inflamed public opinion about fears of domestic communism.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119586848318702756.html

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Lee Harvey Oswald
From wikipedia (with lots of references at site) :

Around the age of fifteen, he became an ardent Marxist solely from his private reading on the topic. He wrote in his diary, "I was looking for a key to my environment, and then I discovered socialist literature. I had to dig for my books in the back dusty shelves of libraries."[13] At 16 he wrote to the Socialist Party of America, stating that he was a Marxist who had been studying socialist principles for "well over fifteen months," and asked for information about their youth league.[14]

While in the Marines, Oswald was trained in the use of the M1 Garand rifle. Following that training, he was tested in December of 1956, and obtained a score of 212, which was 2 points above the minimum for qualifications as a sharpshooter. In May 1959, on another range, Oswald scored 191, which was 1 point over the minimum for ranking as a marksman.[17]

Small and frail compared to the other Marines, he was nicknamed Ozzie Rabbit after the cartoon character. His shyness and Soviet sympathies alienated him from his fellow Marines. Ostracism only seemed to provoke him into being a stauncher, more outspoken communist. For his steadfast beliefs, his nickname ultimately became Oswaldskovich.

Life in the Soviet Union

In October 1959, Oswald immigrated to the Soviet Union. He was nineteen, and the trip was planned well in advance. Along with having taught himself rudimentary Russian, he had saved $1,500 of his Marine Corps salary,[19] got an early "hardship" discharge by (falsely) claiming he needed to care for his injured mother,[20] got a passport, and submitted several fictional applications to foreign universities in order to obtain a student visa (and possibly help avoid Marine Corps reserve duty).

After spending only three days with his mother in Fort Worth, he departed by ship from New Orleans on September 20, 1959, for the Soviet Union, first arriving in Le Havre in France, then to London,England and eventually Oswald to a Finnair flight to Helsinki, Finland as part of a package tour. Oswald landed to Helsinki airport in October 10 at 23.30 a.m. he registered at the Hotel Torni but two days later , he moved to the Kurki Hotel.Oswald applied for a visa at the embassy on October 12, his first business day in Helsinki. Oswalds visa was issued on October 14. It was valid until October 20 and permitted him to take one trip of not more than 6 days to the Soviet Union. He left from Helsinki Central Railway Station by train next day on October 15 to Moscow and when he crossed the Finnish-Russian border at Vainikkala, he arrived to Moscow on October 16." [21] When he arrived in the Soviet Union and showed up unexpectedly at the Embassy in Moscow, he said he wanted to renounce his U.S. citizenship.[22][23] When the Navy Department learned of this, it changed Oswald's Marine Corps discharge from "hardship/honorable" to "undesirable."[24]

Oswald told a reporter in Moscow, "For two years I've had it in my mind, don't form any attachments, because I knew I was going away. I was planning to divest myself of everything to do with the United States."[25] To another reporter he said, "I would not consider returning to the United States," and referred to the Soviet government as "my government."[26] His wish to remain in the Soviet Union was initially applauded by the Soviets, but although he had some technical knowledge acquired in the Marines they soon discovered he had little of real value to offer the Soviet Union and his application for Soviet residency was rejected.[27] In response, Oswald made a bloody but minor cut to his left wrist in his hotel room bathtub. After bandaging his superficial injury, the cautious Soviets kept him under psychiatric observation at the Botkin Hospital.[28][29] Although this attempt may have been no more than an attention-getting ruse, the Soviet government feared an international incident if he were to attempt something similar again.

New Orleans

Oswald returned to New Orleans, arriving on the morning of April 25, 1963 looking for work. After Oswald got a job as a machinery greaser with the Reily Coffee Company in May, Marina was driven there by family friend Ruth Paine. Oswald was fired for inefficiency and dereliction of duty on July 19.

During this period, Oswald began to consider returning to the Soviet Union or going to Cuba.[57] He had Marina write to the Soviet Embassy in Washington, D.C. about the possibility of their returning to the Soviet Union.[58] His Marxist ideals became focused on Fidel Castro and Cuba and he soon became a vocal pro-Castro advocate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Harvey_Oswald

40 posted on 11/24/2008 1:16:51 PM PST by ETL (Smoking gun evidence on ALL the ObamaRat-commie connections at my newly revised FR Home/About page)
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41 posted on 11/24/2008 1:16:51 PM PST by lewisglad
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To: Red Badger

The only viable multiple-shooter theory I’ve heard is: one of the SS agents with JFK was equipped with the then-newfangled AR15, and being inadequately familiar with it had an accidental discharge when Oswald started firing - and AD’d right into JFK. Second shooter, no conspiracy to implement & protect, easily covered-up accident under the circumstances.

I’m still going with Oswald alone.


42 posted on 11/24/2008 1:18:07 PM PST by ctdonath2 (I AM JOE THE PLUMBER!)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I bet Obama lifts the embargo...................


43 posted on 11/24/2008 1:18:14 PM PST by Red Badger (Never has a man risen so far, so fast and is expected to do so much, for so many, with so little...)
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To: AJKauf
I was sold on the lone assassin theory until E. Howard Hunt confessed. I now think that he, Sturgis and the whole Operation 40 crowd had a role. A small and tight conspiracy.
44 posted on 11/24/2008 1:18:29 PM PST by Homer1
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To: Michael.SF.

I want to believe.


45 posted on 11/24/2008 1:18:41 PM PST by McGruff
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To: Joe 6-pack

Funny, funny movie.

Weird... but FUNNY!


46 posted on 11/24/2008 1:18:44 PM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: FFranco

See Post 36.


47 posted on 11/24/2008 1:19:02 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: AJKauf

My theory is the Warren Commission got it right and Lee Oswald was the lone assassin.

I now almost expect to be banned for spreading a tinfoil-hat theory.


48 posted on 11/24/2008 1:19:03 PM PST by devere
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To: Mr. Lucky

And why so many completely unrelated JFK threads in one day?


49 posted on 11/24/2008 1:19:11 PM PST by ctdonath2 (I AM JOE THE PLUMBER!)
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To: i_dont_chat

“There were TWO gunmen, unknown to each other, but arranged by the mob.”

Could have been Jack Ruby...why else would he shot Oswald? To keep him “quiet” perhaps?


50 posted on 11/24/2008 1:19:22 PM PST by LottieDah (If only those who speak so eloquently on the rights of animals would do so on behalf of the unborn.)
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