Skip to comments."TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE" BIRTH CERT !
Posted on 11/24/2008 6:36:57 PM PST by rocco55
"TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE" - BIRTH CERT
I am not a lawyer, but I do have some experience with legal matters, plus I had an attorney review this letter before posting it.
In my opinion, Mr. Obama, Jr. and his co-Defendants will delay all of these cases (Berg, Onofrio, Keyes, etc.) as long as possible. Their entire goal is not the arrive at the truth, but simply to make every effort possible to create AS MANY trial delays as they can in the hope that no judgment will be issued by the inauguration date, and then, once their candidate is occupying the office of President, impeachment proceedings would have to be instituted if conclusive evidence is presented that he is Constitutionally unqualified to hold his office. Mr. Berg confirmed on numerous occasions the inevitable barrage of legal obstacles and difficulty that would await the American people and our government should we elect to implement impeachment proceedings for this candidate.
The 12/1/08 reply date for the Defendants in Atty. Berg's lawsuit will simply be a 'motion to dismiss' and they will most likely include an exhaustive list of insufficient evidence items, (inaudible replies of Mr. Obama's grandmother, etc.). The notion that the defendants will have to submit Mr. Obama's birth cert by 12/1/2008 is simply not true. They only have to respond to the Writ by then, and their response will most likely be a motion to dismiss as they did with Atty. Berg's PA suit.
Then Atty. Berg will have to file a response, submit it to the court and then the court has to review Berg's response, etc. For all of this to get conclusively resolved by the Electoral College date deadline of 12/13/2008 is EXTREMELY optimistic.
Also, as Atty. Kreeps (Alan Keye's legal representative) stated, Mr. Obama has three law firms working on these birth certificate lawsuits. Not three attorneys, but THREE ENTIRE FULLY STAFFED law firms ! So, his legal resources are the best (or "best paid" and "best researched") money can buy.
Like many of you, I have hope that "someone" in the Supreme Court Justice System will find at least one of these cases worthy of acceptance and actually issue a judgment requesting a birth certificate from the Defendants ASAP. (before the inauguration on 1/20/2009 or ideally prior to the electoral collage vote on 12/13/208).
My concern is the "source" of the birth certificate. It appears that ALL of these lawsuits are asking Mr. Obama to produce his birth certificate. Why not request that the Supreme Court issue an order to the state of Hawaii to obtain this document.
If the Supreme Court actually steps up the plate and rules in favor of the Plaintiff (Berg, Onofrio, etc.), Obama has two choices.
One, he submits the real BC from Hawaii which will incriminate him because obviously, SOMETHING on that document is inconsistent with his short form image, or two, he submits a fabricated birth cert.
Think about it, as Mr. Farrah said:
"Republican Gov. Linda Lingle's office, which, inexplicably, has fought tooth and nail to protect the birth certificate from public scrutiny even though it remains the key to establishing whether the man elected to be the next president is actually eligible under the Constitution."
Obama has already successfully submitted one fake BC. What if he fakes the 2nd ? Can Obama's staff of three law firms keep the state of Hawaii in a state of non-compliance and not release "their version" of his birth certificate ? Mr. Obama has succeeded in keeping ALL of his college records unavailable. Can Hawaii be prohibited from issuing his birth cert to ANYONE ? including the Supreme Court ?
Can anyone out there state with absolute legal certainty that the state of Hawaii MUST comply with an order from the Supreme Court to release the secret document ?
Can Obama's attorneys object to or appeal a decision like that ? And if so, how long can they tie this up ?
Additionally once Mr. Obama releases a copy of his cert (real or fabricated), how long will it take to ascertain its authenticity ? Will forensic evaluation commence immediately upon the receipt of such a document ? Will testimony be forthcoming ? How long will it take for the courts to arrive at the truth about the veracity of the document Mr. Obama presents, in the event he is required by the Supreme Court to produce it ?
This is a lot to accomplish by 1/20/2009 and my position is that the Obama staff will make EVERY conceivable attempt to throw up ANY and EVERY legal road block they can to delay all of these proceedings.
Unfortunately for us, the TRUTH SEEKING LAW-ABIDING American people who believe in the validity of our Constitution are up against Obama's legal resources ( OJ to the 10th power !). Truly a formidable undertaking for us all ! ! ! !
My prayer is that one of these cases, somehow, gets an expedited decision and they issue a court order for copies of the birth cert from BOTH Mr. Obama AND the state of Hawaii with no consideration given to objections and / or appeals on behalf of the Defendants due to a "time is of the essence" circumstance. Whether this is too much to expect or not remains to be seen.
Let's go forward keeping each other informed and doing our part to expose this to others of like minds and maybe these posts, petitions, etc. will help us all reach a good desired end !
You’re probably right about that. if his qualifications are being challenged, the burden should be on him to produce documents that may prove he is a natural born citizen. of course, those of us who are following the case have made the inference that his refusal to produce it indicates he has something to hide.
Another avenue that could have been pursued would have been to subpoena the State of Hawaii to produce it, and if it is ultimately determined that it needs to be produced, they then would be in contempt of court if they didnt comply.
and to add to your informative post the only thing that astute readers of FR know is that Lingle is only holding on to a CERTIFICATION of (live) BIRTH.
You mean Indonesia?
Thanks for posting this. My concern is also “two, he submits a fabricated birth cert. “ It will take months for real experts like Polarik to pronounce it a forgery, and in the meantime no one will listen, it will be an unfunded effort, and mistakes will be made.
One thing that could be done ahead of time is for Polarik to post what a forgery would look like, what we should be looking for in the paper copy, and what are the dead giveaways. Then we freepers can hit the ground running.
Someone made a point today about his father not being his father.
I didn’t think that would too big a deal until the point of “Dreams of my father” being based on Barack Obama Sr. Pretty embarassing to admit that was a lie. I mean that is the basis of his popularity and achievement.
Who needs to verify it before we quit chasing this phantom?
The original is in the vault under lock and key by the Governor of Hawaii. I hope she keeps it there until the SCOTUS requests the orginal and it makes it to them under armed guard.
We know two things for certain.
1. Roger Calero was not eligible thus candidates were not properly vetted. If the claim is that it is up to the nominating party to vet then would our founding fathers really believe we should just trust a nominating party?
2. Alan Keyes should have standing and so we should be able to get to the bottom of it from that end.
We were, before the financial meltdown, the most powerful country in the world. The leader of the most powerful nation should have no problem proving that he is eligible to hold that office.. damn that SOB to hell for pulling this stunt on the American People.
Then why cant we see it?
I agree...whatever his origin, as long as its naturalized, the American people would get over it quickly.
However, if his father turned out to be Malcolm X, then you have a story with large/long term ripple effect.
I’ve never thought about the adoption angle or grandpa is really his dad. That would be big headlines.
Would you rather have an illegal nitwit, or a legal nitwit? would you rather respect the constitution, or piss on it?
The proper forum for deciding Obama's qualifications to be president is in the Congress. Noting that the new Congress is solidly Democrat, the outcome is a forgone conclusion.
WHAT has been verified. She did not verify that he was born in Hawaii. read up on the law at the time of Obamanazi’s birth.
It is not inexplicable that the governor of Hawaii is enforcing Hawaii law.
No one has the right to see that document except Barack Obama or his designee, that's the law, the governor is enforcing her laws.
Not only is that not "inexplicable", it's her duty.
That's the way it would go down. The Supreme Court or other court would issue a court order to the state of Hawaii to produce the original long form birth certificate since the state owns the document. Obama would be bypassed.
I rather have an American nitwit than a foreign nitwit.
If I wanted to be ruled by a foreigner, I'd move to their country.
Who says the proper forum is Congress for deciding qualifications to be president.
It is what it is right now with the laws on the books. It is up to the Courts to enforce those laws.
Do you think that if the congress were republican controlled it would take action to disqualify the nation’s first black prez.? I know I don’t. I see them pulling a Trent Lott then patting themselves on the back for it. My personal opinion is that there are too many clucking chickens in congress for it to be considered for a duty such as this. I think that the SCOTUS is the only body in a position to decide this matterin a proper manner, and I hope that they do so. Congress cannot be relied upon, they are run amok.
What have they verified? That there is a birth certificate? Did you know that a resident of Hawaii can have a birth certificate issued even if given birth outside the state, just to let them know upon return?
There is no source saying that THE birth certificate on Obama’s website is legitimate. Just that there is one.
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