Skip to comments."TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE" BIRTH CERT !
Posted on 11/24/2008 6:36:57 PM PST by rocco55
"TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE" - BIRTH CERT
I am not a lawyer, but I do have some experience with legal matters, plus I had an attorney review this letter before posting it.
In my opinion, Mr. Obama, Jr. and his co-Defendants will delay all of these cases (Berg, Onofrio, Keyes, etc.) as long as possible. Their entire goal is not the arrive at the truth, but simply to make every effort possible to create AS MANY trial delays as they can in the hope that no judgment will be issued by the inauguration date, and then, once their candidate is occupying the office of President, impeachment proceedings would have to be instituted if conclusive evidence is presented that he is Constitutionally unqualified to hold his office. Mr. Berg confirmed on numerous occasions the inevitable barrage of legal obstacles and difficulty that would await the American people and our government should we elect to implement impeachment proceedings for this candidate.
The 12/1/08 reply date for the Defendants in Atty. Berg's lawsuit will simply be a 'motion to dismiss' and they will most likely include an exhaustive list of insufficient evidence items, (inaudible replies of Mr. Obama's grandmother, etc.). The notion that the defendants will have to submit Mr. Obama's birth cert by 12/1/2008 is simply not true. They only have to respond to the Writ by then, and their response will most likely be a motion to dismiss as they did with Atty. Berg's PA suit.
Then Atty. Berg will have to file a response, submit it to the court and then the court has to review Berg's response, etc. For all of this to get conclusively resolved by the Electoral College date deadline of 12/13/2008 is EXTREMELY optimistic.
Also, as Atty. Kreeps (Alan Keye's legal representative) stated, Mr. Obama has three law firms working on these birth certificate lawsuits. Not three attorneys, but THREE ENTIRE FULLY STAFFED law firms ! So, his legal resources are the best (or "best paid" and "best researched") money can buy.
Like many of you, I have hope that "someone" in the Supreme Court Justice System will find at least one of these cases worthy of acceptance and actually issue a judgment requesting a birth certificate from the Defendants ASAP. (before the inauguration on 1/20/2009 or ideally prior to the electoral collage vote on 12/13/208).
My concern is the "source" of the birth certificate. It appears that ALL of these lawsuits are asking Mr. Obama to produce his birth certificate. Why not request that the Supreme Court issue an order to the state of Hawaii to obtain this document.
If the Supreme Court actually steps up the plate and rules in favor of the Plaintiff (Berg, Onofrio, etc.), Obama has two choices.
One, he submits the real BC from Hawaii which will incriminate him because obviously, SOMETHING on that document is inconsistent with his short form image, or two, he submits a fabricated birth cert.
Think about it, as Mr. Farrah said:
"Republican Gov. Linda Lingle's office, which, inexplicably, has fought tooth and nail to protect the birth certificate from public scrutiny even though it remains the key to establishing whether the man elected to be the next president is actually eligible under the Constitution."
Obama has already successfully submitted one fake BC. What if he fakes the 2nd ? Can Obama's staff of three law firms keep the state of Hawaii in a state of non-compliance and not release "their version" of his birth certificate ? Mr. Obama has succeeded in keeping ALL of his college records unavailable. Can Hawaii be prohibited from issuing his birth cert to ANYONE ? including the Supreme Court ?
Can anyone out there state with absolute legal certainty that the state of Hawaii MUST comply with an order from the Supreme Court to release the secret document ?
Can Obama's attorneys object to or appeal a decision like that ? And if so, how long can they tie this up ?
Additionally once Mr. Obama releases a copy of his cert (real or fabricated), how long will it take to ascertain its authenticity ? Will forensic evaluation commence immediately upon the receipt of such a document ? Will testimony be forthcoming ? How long will it take for the courts to arrive at the truth about the veracity of the document Mr. Obama presents, in the event he is required by the Supreme Court to produce it ?
This is a lot to accomplish by 1/20/2009 and my position is that the Obama staff will make EVERY conceivable attempt to throw up ANY and EVERY legal road block they can to delay all of these proceedings.
Unfortunately for us, the TRUTH SEEKING LAW-ABIDING American people who believe in the validity of our Constitution are up against Obama's legal resources ( OJ to the 10th power !). Truly a formidable undertaking for us all ! ! ! !
My prayer is that one of these cases, somehow, gets an expedited decision and they issue a court order for copies of the birth cert from BOTH Mr. Obama AND the state of Hawaii with no consideration given to objections and / or appeals on behalf of the Defendants due to a "time is of the essence" circumstance. Whether this is too much to expect or not remains to be seen.
Let's go forward keeping each other informed and doing our part to expose this to others of like minds and maybe these posts, petitions, etc. will help us all reach a good desired end !
Problem is Americans and the US Constitution no longer matter.
The only way we’ll get to the birth certificate is if someone breaks into the building where official documents are kept, opens up all the documents where his might be kept and THEN SOUND THE ALARM CALLING ATTENTION TO THE PLACE!
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The fact that he is trying so hard to keep his birth certificate a secret is raising the red flag to many.
If he was born in Hawaii, what could be on that certificate to warrant such an expense to keep it out of the public eye.
A different father. No father. Anne really isn’t his mother. What other possible wild story could there be that would be of great significance other than he really wasnt born in Hawaii.
Welcome to Free Republic.
Even cheap attorneys aren’t cheap and he’s using an army of them to keep his secret.
I am thinking that it would be more of a mandate to Obamanazi to provide it..the state law says it is a private document. If Obamanazi doesn’t provide it then they would have to come up with a repercussion to Obama.
But the guy who argued the case that Leo is quoting says this isn’t going to go anywhere. (poster Billybob on FR)
THat won’t work. they will only claim that the ones that broke in confiscated the “real” cert, and replaced it with a phony to make obama look bad. If the real one really is different than the one displayed on the internet, then the real one is probably already destroyed.
I predict the most that will ever come of these lawsuits to obtain obama’s birth certificate is that the state of hawaii will announce that the “real” cert is missing. All they have is a recent copy, or duplicate.
Then there will be nothing more for anyone to say.
If there was nothing to hide, we would have seen a real raised seal original vault birth certificate by now. However, don’t worry kittens about Obama having to be impeached. The Supreme Court will not let the oath be said if it has any doubt that Obama is not constitutionally qualified. Did you forget who administers the oath?
Clarence Thomas is also secretly p.o.ed about the first Obama 60 Minutes interview when he trashed Thomas. Thomas knows Obama is a fraud and a half-rican at best and probably just a Muzzi in disguise in reality. Remember, he who laughs last laughs best. Remember, the judges on the bench still respect the constitution (we are two votes away from the end of that tradition). They had no qualms about jumping in to protect the process in 2000. This is a far more simple decision. The Federalist implication of the term “natural born” is of particular importance to the court and it has never really been addressed by the court.
In the end, someone has to certify this candidate and if it the court believes that hasn’t been done either by Secretaries of State or the responsible nominating party, then a process has to be mapped our and a test of legitimacy must be enforced...this should interest the court enough to move ahead with one of these cases...the one with the greatest constitutional implications.
This is sorta what they did to Joe the Plumber!! I wish for once the RATS would pay dearly for their actions. FAIR IS FAIR!!
Given that Calero was on the ballot they have to believe that candidates werent properly vetted by the Secretary of State.
But I read an argument somewhere that perhaps they can be on the ballot but they just can’t be voted for by the Electoral college. Calero has been on the ticket before as has someone else not eligible according to Wikipedia.
I never thought of this, but what if barak’s mother went to kenya, not to give birth, but to adopt a half white baby and sneak him back to the states and pretend to be the real mother?
Nah, that’s rediculous.
What if she paid for him would then lets see his pink slip
i’m wondering if there has been any comment from the Calero camp
I think he has the ears of his grandpa.
I don’t think he was born in hawaii and I don’t think we will ever know the truth.
This will be the biggest presidential cover up in recent history..that we know of..I am sure there are others that we don’t.
What’s the big deal Obama? Why won’t you produce a legal birth certificate showing that you were born in the U.S.? I can dig mine out in about 2 minutes, with all the stamps and other legal stuff on it. I live less than 40 miles from where I was born. I can even produce the Doctor who delivered me! As Desi Arnez used to to say: ‘You has a lot of esplaining to do Obama”.
The problem is.... with the money he has, Obama can pay for the very best fake BC in the world...
Now that the election is over wouldn’t a finding that Obama isn’t a citizen just make Joe Biden POTUS? Then he would get to choose his own VP so we would essentially be replacing one nitwit with a different one.
You’re probably right about that. if his qualifications are being challenged, the burden should be on him to produce documents that may prove he is a natural born citizen. of course, those of us who are following the case have made the inference that his refusal to produce it indicates he has something to hide.
Another avenue that could have been pursued would have been to subpoena the State of Hawaii to produce it, and if it is ultimately determined that it needs to be produced, they then would be in contempt of court if they didnt comply.
and to add to your informative post the only thing that astute readers of FR know is that Lingle is only holding on to a CERTIFICATION of (live) BIRTH.
You mean Indonesia?
Thanks for posting this. My concern is also “two, he submits a fabricated birth cert. “ It will take months for real experts like Polarik to pronounce it a forgery, and in the meantime no one will listen, it will be an unfunded effort, and mistakes will be made.
One thing that could be done ahead of time is for Polarik to post what a forgery would look like, what we should be looking for in the paper copy, and what are the dead giveaways. Then we freepers can hit the ground running.
Someone made a point today about his father not being his father.
I didn’t think that would too big a deal until the point of “Dreams of my father” being based on Barack Obama Sr. Pretty embarassing to admit that was a lie. I mean that is the basis of his popularity and achievement.
Who needs to verify it before we quit chasing this phantom?
The original is in the vault under lock and key by the Governor of Hawaii. I hope she keeps it there until the SCOTUS requests the orginal and it makes it to them under armed guard.
We know two things for certain.
1. Roger Calero was not eligible thus candidates were not properly vetted. If the claim is that it is up to the nominating party to vet then would our founding fathers really believe we should just trust a nominating party?
2. Alan Keyes should have standing and so we should be able to get to the bottom of it from that end.
We were, before the financial meltdown, the most powerful country in the world. The leader of the most powerful nation should have no problem proving that he is eligible to hold that office.. damn that SOB to hell for pulling this stunt on the American People.
Then why cant we see it?
I agree...whatever his origin, as long as its naturalized, the American people would get over it quickly.
However, if his father turned out to be Malcolm X, then you have a story with large/long term ripple effect.
I’ve never thought about the adoption angle or grandpa is really his dad. That would be big headlines.
Would you rather have an illegal nitwit, or a legal nitwit? would you rather respect the constitution, or piss on it?
The proper forum for deciding Obama's qualifications to be president is in the Congress. Noting that the new Congress is solidly Democrat, the outcome is a forgone conclusion.
WHAT has been verified. She did not verify that he was born in Hawaii. read up on the law at the time of Obamanazi’s birth.
It is not inexplicable that the governor of Hawaii is enforcing Hawaii law.
No one has the right to see that document except Barack Obama or his designee, that's the law, the governor is enforcing her laws.
Not only is that not "inexplicable", it's her duty.
That's the way it would go down. The Supreme Court or other court would issue a court order to the state of Hawaii to produce the original long form birth certificate since the state owns the document. Obama would be bypassed.
I rather have an American nitwit than a foreign nitwit.
If I wanted to be ruled by a foreigner, I'd move to their country.
Who says the proper forum is Congress for deciding qualifications to be president.
It is what it is right now with the laws on the books. It is up to the Courts to enforce those laws.
Do you think that if the congress were republican controlled it would take action to disqualify the nation’s first black prez.? I know I don’t. I see them pulling a Trent Lott then patting themselves on the back for it. My personal opinion is that there are too many clucking chickens in congress for it to be considered for a duty such as this. I think that the SCOTUS is the only body in a position to decide this matterin a proper manner, and I hope that they do so. Congress cannot be relied upon, they are run amok.
What have they verified? That there is a birth certificate? Did you know that a resident of Hawaii can have a birth certificate issued even if given birth outside the state, just to let them know upon return?
There is no source saying that THE birth certificate on Obama’s website is legitimate. Just that there is one.
That his birth certificate is authentic.
What does he need to do to prove that he was born in Hawaii? Seriously, I really want to know what it will take. There must be something that will satisfy people that he was born in Hawaii, what is it?
Per the why can't we see it question, how do we propose that he shows it to people? Put it on a tour of major cities? Put it in the Smithsonian? Would people want to handle it? How would a normal person know what it's supposed to look like? I know I wouldn't. What would that prove?
Look, if I'm wrong, and he's Kenyan or Indonesian or whatever, great, let's impeach him. But I just don't see any supporting evidence for that.
Sure he's obfuscating on this, but he's obfuscated on EVERYTHING!!! That's his nature! Hide EVERYTHING whether it's incriminating or not, embarrassing or something to be proud of. That's just him and his creepy nature. Creepiness alone doesn't constitute a crime.
Yes, I wouldn’t think Congress would handle a Constitutional issue would they? Wouldn’t that be handled under the judicial branch?
Line 3 (Citizenship) Indonesia
Line 4 (Religion) Islam
“impeachment proceedings would have to be instituted if conclusive evidence is presented that he is Constitutionally unqualified to hold his office.”
No impeachment necessary. He will simply not be the president because he would be ineligible.
“Why not request that the Supreme Court issue an order to the state of Hawaii to obtain this document.”
No, if Obama is willing to spend millions hiding something, then he would spend just as much forging it. With a matter this important, I would bet that the Supreme Court dispatch a US Marshall with court order to release Obama’s birth certificate and the Marshall would keep possession from the time it is handed to him until he turns it over to the justices.
What part of the law don’t you understand. Obama could have been born in Kenya and still have a Hawaiian birth certificate....but he wouldnt be eligible to run for President.
Notwithstanding the whole issue of him being a British citizen. And we certainly know that the founding fathers didn’t want a British citizen running for US President other than themselves.
shows pics of Obama beside his alleged father and also Malcom X
He is the abought the same height and the spitting image of Malcom X.
He looks nothing like his “alleged” father and is about 6” taller.
I want to know the hospital and the signature of the person certifying that he was born alive.
Here is one good thing about this. I presume the Governor has seen it. So if someone tries something funky from here on out ..like substituting the documents...she would know it didnt match up.
I haven’t checked on the lastest about the questionable selective service registration.
First, I don't think Obama would have to be impeached after the electoral college if he is found to have been ineligible thereafter. If he is ineligible it is neither a "high crime nor a misdemeanor" and his Election would be voidable.
I think the last challenge would have to come from a Congressman. The House is charged with insuring the candidates are eligible and that the votes are counted. I believe if a Congressman objected and then filed in the SC to challenge a refusal to act by the body that there will be some action. There is no doubt that a Congressman charged with certifying the electoral college vote has standing.