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"TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE" BIRTH CERT !

Posted on 11/24/2008 6:36:57 PM PST by rocco55

"TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE" - BIRTH CERT

I am not a lawyer, but I do have some experience with legal matters, plus I had an attorney review this letter before posting it.

In my opinion, Mr. Obama, Jr. and his co-Defendants will delay all of these cases (Berg, Onofrio, Keyes, etc.) as long as possible. Their entire goal is not the arrive at the truth, but simply to make every effort possible to create AS MANY trial delays as they can in the hope that no judgment will be issued by the inauguration date, and then, once their candidate is occupying the office of President, impeachment proceedings would have to be instituted if conclusive evidence is presented that he is Constitutionally unqualified to hold his office. Mr. Berg confirmed on numerous occasions the inevitable barrage of legal obstacles and difficulty that would await the American people and our government should we elect to implement impeachment proceedings for this candidate.

The 12/1/08 reply date for the Defendants in Atty. Berg's lawsuit will simply be a 'motion to dismiss' and they will most likely include an exhaustive list of insufficient evidence items, (inaudible replies of Mr. Obama's grandmother, etc.). The notion that the defendants will have to submit Mr. Obama's birth cert by 12/1/2008 is simply not true. They only have to respond to the Writ by then, and their response will most likely be a motion to dismiss as they did with Atty. Berg's PA suit.

Then Atty. Berg will have to file a response, submit it to the court and then the court has to review Berg's response, etc. For all of this to get conclusively resolved by the Electoral College date deadline of 12/13/2008 is EXTREMELY optimistic.

Also, as Atty. Kreeps (Alan Keye's legal representative) stated, Mr. Obama has three law firms working on these birth certificate lawsuits. Not three attorneys, but THREE ENTIRE FULLY STAFFED law firms ! So, his legal resources are the best (or "best paid" and "best researched") money can buy.

Like many of you, I have hope that "someone" in the Supreme Court Justice System will find at least one of these cases worthy of acceptance and actually issue a judgment requesting a birth certificate from the Defendants ASAP. (before the inauguration on 1/20/2009 or ideally prior to the electoral collage vote on 12/13/208).

My concern is the "source" of the birth certificate. It appears that ALL of these lawsuits are asking Mr. Obama to produce his birth certificate. Why not request that the Supreme Court issue an order to the state of Hawaii to obtain this document.

If the Supreme Court actually steps up the plate and rules in favor of the Plaintiff (Berg, Onofrio, etc.), Obama has two choices.

One, he submits the real BC from Hawaii which will incriminate him because obviously, SOMETHING on that document is inconsistent with his short form image, or two, he submits a fabricated birth cert.

Think about it, as Mr. Farrah said:

"Republican Gov. Linda Lingle's office, which, inexplicably, has fought tooth and nail to protect the birth certificate from public scrutiny even though it remains the key to establishing whether the man elected to be the next president is actually eligible under the Constitution."

Obama has already successfully submitted one fake BC. What if he fakes the 2nd ? Can Obama's staff of three law firms keep the state of Hawaii in a state of non-compliance and not release "their version" of his birth certificate ? Mr. Obama has succeeded in keeping ALL of his college records unavailable. Can Hawaii be prohibited from issuing his birth cert to ANYONE ? including the Supreme Court ?

Can anyone out there state with absolute legal certainty that the state of Hawaii MUST comply with an order from the Supreme Court to release the secret document ?

Can Obama's attorneys object to or appeal a decision like that ? And if so, how long can they tie this up ?

Additionally once Mr. Obama releases a copy of his cert (real or fabricated), how long will it take to ascertain its authenticity ? Will forensic evaluation commence immediately upon the receipt of such a document ? Will testimony be forthcoming ? How long will it take for the courts to arrive at the truth about the veracity of the document Mr. Obama presents, in the event he is required by the Supreme Court to produce it ?

This is a lot to accomplish by 1/20/2009 and my position is that the Obama staff will make EVERY conceivable attempt to throw up ANY and EVERY legal road block they can to delay all of these proceedings.

Unfortunately for us, the TRUTH SEEKING LAW-ABIDING American people who believe in the validity of our Constitution are up against Obama's legal resources ( OJ to the 10th power !). Truly a formidable undertaking for us all ! ! ! !

My prayer is that one of these cases, somehow, gets an expedited decision and they issue a court order for copies of the birth cert from BOTH Mr. Obama AND the state of Hawaii with no consideration given to objections and / or appeals on behalf of the Defendants due to a "time is of the essence" circumstance. Whether this is too much to expect or not remains to be seen.

Let's go forward keeping each other informed and doing our part to expose this to others of like minds and maybe these posts, petitions, etc. will help us all reach a good desired end !


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To: rocco55

And just in case no one else answers you: ABSOLUTELY the SCOTUS has the power to ORDER a State to produce the original Birth Certificate.


51 posted on 11/24/2008 7:50:52 PM PST by politicalmerc (NObama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: Howie

If Malcolm X is his father and he was born in Kenya...then I think he would be a US citizen...same with the Frank Marshall davis father story line.

But more than likely, she wouldn’t have put either of those two on the birth certificate...so it would still be a question of whether is a US citizen that could only be solved with DNA...

what a freaking soap opera ..during the worst financial crisis in modern history.


52 posted on 11/24/2008 7:53:10 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: johnnycap

The U.S. Supreme Court and its members will take no action unless there is an actual case and contorversy in their court.

As for swearing in the next POTUS — any one of them would do it just for face time in front of the cameras.


53 posted on 11/24/2008 7:55:55 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: autumnraine

If this is all it is who cares? He could kill babies in a church and his idiot followers would still adore him. I’m thinking it has to be something about his citizenship.


54 posted on 11/24/2008 7:59:49 PM PST by dandiegirl
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To: autumnraine

Yet there is 2200 miles of water that the plane could go down in


55 posted on 11/24/2008 8:00:03 PM PST by al baby (Hi mom Honkeys for Mc Cain Palin)
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To: RummyChick

Hopefully high quality photos have been made of the long form BC as backup.


56 posted on 11/24/2008 8:02:13 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: RummyChick

The birthplace of all other recent presidents is well known. You can go to Massachusetts and go to the place JFK was born. You can see the childhood home of LBJ and Jimmy Carter.

Our new president-elect-to-be can’t even give the name of the hospital in which he was born. Can’t or won’t. Either way, it’s unacceptable.


57 posted on 11/24/2008 8:04:01 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: al baby

Oh great. Yet another thing to make me paranoid about. ;o)


58 posted on 11/24/2008 8:04:31 PM PST by autumnraine (Churchill: " we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall never surrender")
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To: rocco55
Also, as Atty. Kreeps (Alan Keye's legal representative) stated, Mr. Obama has three law firms working on these birth certificate lawsuits. Not three attorneys, but THREE ENTIRE FULLY STAFFED law firms ! So, his legal resources are the best (or "best paid" and "best researched") money can buy.

Three law firms? THREE? Over a simple Birth Certificate?

Ok, is their anybody left that believes Hussein the Magnificent is NOT hiding his ineligibility?

Logical projection time. What exactly will happen when The One is tossed like a bum out of a restaurant?

Remember we are talking about millions of O-bots that voted for His Vastness for one of the following “reasons.”

He is Black.
He is a Democrat.
He is young and cool.
He will end the war.
He will make some house payments for me.
He is for “change.”
He will send checks in the mail.

Kind of a short vapid list isn’t it?

So, when He Who Has Been Waiting For Himself must face the cameras and say “Due to a specification in Article 2, Section 1, Paragraph 5 of the Constitution of the United States I am technically not eligible to be THE ONE," are they really going to understand that?

Now for the scary part… just what are the little products of Publick Edjucation going to do?

59 posted on 11/24/2008 8:04:45 PM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: rocco55
Has Obama forfeited keeping his official Hawaii Certificate of Live Birth private?

Obama has already made public two accounts of his birth certificate. One, is his published biography where he describes in detail the contents of his Hawaii birth certificate. Two, is his pre-election public website publishing an (arguably) official Hawaii record of his birth certificate. It seems to me these two disclosures, truthful or not, greatly reduce his claim of privacy (vs public record) of his vault copy Hawaii Certificate of Live Birth.

60 posted on 11/24/2008 8:16:31 PM PST by XHogPilot
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To: XHogPilot
A detroit radio station called the Kenyan embassy after the election of Obama. After a lot of trouble they get through to the ambassador of Kenya.

The ambassador of Kenya says that obama was born in Kenya and that his birth place has become a national shrine.

Listen to the recording here

The quote is around 12:35, so if you don’t have time to listen to the whole thing, you can jump ahead.
The transcript reads:

Radio Jockey: President elect Obama's birth place over in Kenya -- is that going to be a national spot where he was born

Ambassador Peter Ogego: its already an attraction. his paternal grandmother is still alive

Radio Jockey:But his birth place...they'll put up a marker there

Ambassdor Peter Ogego: It would depend on the government. Its already well known.

Here is an abridged Utube version of the the radio interview. So you can hear just the relevant parts.

It can be reasonably pointed out that the DJ was trying to entrap the Ambassador and that the Ambassador fell into his trap.
However, if you listen to the long version of the radio interview --you’ll notice he used the same strategy on two different occasions and the ambassador gently brushed him off.

First, he tried to force the ambassador to sing the Kenyan national anthem. The ambassador referred him to the kenyan website.

Second he tried to push the ambassador into saying something about maybe Kenya becoming the 51st state. Again the ambassador said that Kenya was a sovereign country. ie No.

He used the same technique on the question of Obama’s birth place. This time the ambassador said yes.

Because the ambassador answered no in the two previous examples -- you can't say that the ambassdor was either a fool or ill advised.

Finally, you might ask well doesn't he know that saying Obama is born in Kenya would make trouble for Obama? The answer there is why should he be concerned? He has heard no suggestion in the mainstream media that there might be a problem there. So to say what is already well known--as he says--would be no problem.

Here is a utube video of Ambassador Peter Ogego speaking at a conference. Ambassador of Kenya H.E. Peter Ogego To verify that the voice on the radio is Ambassador Ogego-- compare the radio voice with the DJ to the voice on the Utube that goes with Ambassador Ogego. Ambassador Peter Ogego is introduced a bit after minute 18..

They are the same.


Be sure to download the recording as well. The chances of it remaining online for long are remote.


The Arnold would have run for president long ago and likely won if he were a "natural born" american. He's not. He's naturalized. So he can't run. And he knows it. (though there were some trial balloons sent up a couple years back about changing the law--that went nowhere.)

Like the Arnold, Obama looks to be a naturalized citizen--but maybe he's not even that.

In any case the supreme court--at Justice Thomas instigation-- is taking up the issue Dec 5
61 posted on 11/24/2008 8:58:24 PM PST by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: XHogPilot
Save your breath. No need to defend him :)
After all, he has

"Not three attorneys, but THREE ENTIRE FULLY STAFFED law firms !"

He's well taken care of.

Now I'm going to write my own autobiography (the way I want to be known) so that I don't have to show my Birth certificate or any other legal documents anymore. If someone wants to see them, well, they'll just have to buy my book!

62 posted on 11/24/2008 9:03:41 PM PST by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: mamelukesabre
Would you rather have an illegal nitwit, or a legal nitwit?

I'd rather not have any nitwit at all but I really didn't see that choice this year, no matter where I looked.

63 posted on 11/24/2008 9:42:05 PM PST by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: Canedawg

Since the BC is probably the key document to determine Hussein’s constitutional eligibility, wouldn’t Article 6, clause 2 (The federal supremecy clause) be the basis for the Supreme Court to order the State of Hawaii to release it for the court to examine?


64 posted on 11/24/2008 9:51:03 PM PST by DMZFrank
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To: TLI

If it is apparent beyond reasonable doubt that Hussein is not a natural born citizen, then we must look to any and all legal and constitutional actions to deny him the presidency. If the constitution of the US is not worth defending against mob rule, then nothing is. If we wish to preserve the republic, than we had best let the chips fall, and then sort them out. By whatever means necessary.

We who value the constitution will not allow the moral emphasis of this argument to be inverted. All this speculation, correct or not; has come about because this lying crypto-marxist thug from the most corrupt environs of leftist Chicago sewer politics has ascended to POTUS-elect status with the willing aquiescence of the MSM. The MSM was hell-bent on concealing this usurper’s background because they wanted him to be elected. Now, in a classic case of blame the messenger, those of us who belive in the constitution are being reviled for insisting that a POTUS comply with a basic requirement that most of us unhesitatingly conform with when seeking a driver’s license.

The arrogance and effrontery of this lying bastid is breathtaking. The founders knew that they were not natural born citizens, so they had to include language in Art II Sec 1 that exempted THEM. Does this fraud think that he is better than Washington, Madison, Adams, and Jefferson in that sense? Apparently he does, and with the acquiesence of enough people, he will suceed in usurping and corrupting the Executive Branch of government. This situation presents the very real posssibility of impelling this great nation beyond a constitutional crisis toward a civil war.

Finally, consider the implications of a man who would undertake these devious machinations to knowingly assume an office that he has no constitutional claim to, and than to see this same counterfeit president elect take an oath to defend that constitution. I believe that such a man would be willing to impose ANY sort or despotism or tyranny upon us to retain power.


65 posted on 11/24/2008 10:06:16 PM PST by DMZFrank
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To: Kevmo
One thing that could be done ahead of time is for Polarik to post what a forgery would look like, what we should be looking for in the paper copy, and what are the dead giveaways. Then we freepers can hit the ground running.

I stated what a forgery looked like when I made one that looked just like the Daily Kos COLB image You can also list all of the things that I found to be wrong. found

66 posted on 11/24/2008 10:57:16 PM PST by Polarik
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To: All
" Their entire goal is not the arrive at the truth, but simply to make every effort possible to create AS MANY trial delays as they can in the hope that no judgment will be issued by the inauguration date, and then, once their candidate is occupying the office of President, impeachment proceedings would have to be instituted if conclusive evidence is presented that he is Constitutionally unqualified to hold his office "

Bingo, They have to wait until Obama is in office before they fix this. That is the only way for them to hold onto the presidency, By setting it up for Biden to become Pres once obama "resigns" before they can impeach.

It is my belief that the democrats are now well aware of the mistake and know that McCain would become Pres-Elect (by default) if obama is disqualified before the elector's votes are officially received.

The only problem I have with my own suspicion of democrat deception, Is the dead silence of the RNC on this issue.

As much as I would like for the COLB issue to be true, I just can't believe that RNC's doesn't already know the facts of Obama's birth certificate. Of course the RNCs silence on this issue maybe due to it being a non-issue. Or worse, the RNC is too stupid to see it.

either way, doesn't inspire much confidence in the RNC.


67 posted on 11/25/2008 12:03:43 AM PST by jmclemore
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

You can not be elevated to president if you were elected on a fraudulent or disqualified ticket. If Obama/Biden ticket is disqualified, McCain/Palin will become the winning ticket with 2nd highest electoral votes.


68 posted on 11/25/2008 12:54:16 AM PST by ajay_kumar (Zero has given us the worst stock market since ANY presidential election in history)
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To: RummyChick

Again, what does he have to do to prove he was born in Hawaii? Does he need a video tape? Does he need to scour the earth looking for his mother’s passport to show she wasn’t in Kenya when he was born?
What does he need to do to satisfy you?
Your inability to answer this leads me to believe that nothing will ever be good enough.


69 posted on 11/25/2008 3:39:18 AM PST by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: TLI
Ok, is their anybody left that believes Hussein the Magnificent is NOT hiding his ineligibility?

Yes.

70 posted on 11/25/2008 3:46:37 AM PST by Jim Noble (I have read a fiery gospel, writ in burnished rows of steel)
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To: RummyChick; Congressman Billybob

From what I’ve seen on the thread you mention (with all due respect to Congressman Billybob), Donofrio was only making a procedural connection with the McCarthy case.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2137680/posts?page=29#3


71 posted on 11/25/2008 4:09:33 AM PST by reasonisfaith (Palin alone accomplished the ultimate political success--beating the corrupt status quo)
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To: Owl_Eagle

How hard is this for you to understand. At this point,The long version of his birth certificate in a court case under penalty of perjury..not some concoction put on a website.

Your claim that a government official’s announcement resolves the whole thing shows you clearly either are misstating things on purpose as some sort of troll...or you are just ignorant and havent done adequate reading to comment.


72 posted on 11/25/2008 5:38:12 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: rocco55

Excellent posting! We need to get the Electors to investigate.

http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244


73 posted on 11/25/2008 5:57:05 AM PST by real_patriotic_american
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To: rocco55
This is the daily lament from trolls and those with their own personal identity problems whenever their hero, the Zero‘s birth issues are posted on Free Republic:

"I'm so depressed and embarassed that Free Republic Freepers are demanding that Obama prove he is eligible to be president! I will not be able to function today! So I will post nonsense about how stupid Freepers are about Zer0‘s lack of birth honesty."


74 posted on 11/25/2008 6:06:59 AM PST by Grampa Dave (This is the link to Leo Donofrio's new website: http://thenaturalborncitizen.blogspot.com)
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To: XHogPilot
Has Obama forfeited keeping his official Hawaii Certificate of Live Birth private? Obama has already made public two accounts of his birth certificate. One, is his published biography where he describes in detail the contents of his Hawaii birth certificate. Two, is his pre-election public website publishing an (arguably) official Hawaii record of his birth certificate. It seems to me these two disclosures, truthful or not, greatly reduce his claim of privacy (vs public record) of his vault copy Hawaii Certificate of Live Birth.

You make a good point!!! As it stands now, the State of Hawaii has a credibility problem every day that it allows the fraudulent COLB on Obama's websites to be displayed without correcting the record.

Presenting fake/counterfeit government-issued documents and/or a facsimile thereof with the intent to derive some material benefit is a crime, and the failure of the State of Hawaii to release the original in light of what is already in the public domain can be construed as aiding and abetting a fraud.

75 posted on 11/25/2008 6:16:51 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: johnnycap
Clarence Thomas is also secretly p.o.ed about the first Obama 60 Minutes interview when he trashed Thomas.

Kind of chuckling over this statement. It must be a very poorly kept secret if an anonymous poster on FR is aware of it.

76 posted on 11/25/2008 9:15:04 AM PST by dmz
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To: Howie

He looks nothing like his “alleged” father and is about 6” taller.
______

Well, that’s surely substantive. My mom is 5’8”, dad was 6’ even. I am 6’1”. My sister is barely 5’2”. My sister has auburn hair, and darker features. The rest of us are (were) blondies.

Clearly she is not my sister. I have been duped these 50+ years. I demand to see her birth certificate.


77 posted on 11/25/2008 9:41:44 AM PST by dmz
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To: dmz

Who do you suspect?


78 posted on 11/25/2008 2:07:56 PM PST by Howie
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