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More housing aid sought as prices sink further ($50 BILLION)
ABC 33/40 / The Associated Press ^ | November 24, 2008 | Alan Zibel, Adrian Sainz, Tim Paradis, Beth Fouhy and Jennifer Loven

Posted on 11/24/2008 8:47:03 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

With nationwide sales of existing homes falling more than expected last month and the median sales price plunging to $183,000, the U.S. housing market keeps getting worse. Bracing for more bad news likely on the way, industry groups pressed President-elect Barack Obama to help stem the damage. Meanwhile, the major Wall Street indexes surged Monday on the government's plan to bail out Citigroup Inc. a move investors hope will help quiet some of the uncertainty hounding the financial sector and the overall economy. The Treasury Department says it will invest another $20 billion in Citigroup, and the government agreed to guarantee large losses the company might absorb on real estate-related assets.

The Dow Jones industrials soared nearly 400 points, and the 891-point rise since Friday gave the Dow its biggest two-day percentage gain since October 1987. The major indexes all jumped more than 4.5 percent Monday.

Obama unveiled the top members of his economic team, beginning with New York Federal Reserve President Timothy Geithner as Treasury secretary and Lawrence Summers as director of his National Economic Council. Summers led the Treasury Department under former President Bill Clinton.

Obama urged the new Congress to pass an economic stimulus bill, pledged help for the troubled auto industry and blessed the Bush administration's bailout of the financial industry. Even so, he conceded, "The economy is likely to get worse before it gets better."

From real estate agents to carpet makers, businesses dependent on a healthy housing sector are calling on lawmakers and the incoming administration to subsidize lower mortgage rates and beef up tax credits in a desperate effort to stimulate housing demand.

Spending $50 billion to lower mortgage rates would yield about 500,000 more home sales, projects the National Association of Realtors.

(Excerpt) Read more at abc3340.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: bailout; bho2008; bush; economy; financialcrisis; obama; obamatransitionfile; presidentelectobama
Where in the world is all this money coming from?!!
1 posted on 11/24/2008 8:47:04 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Not to alarm you, but have you looked into your wallet recently?


2 posted on 11/24/2008 8:48:52 PM PST by BMiles2112
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To: BMiles2112

Yes, moths flew out...


3 posted on 11/24/2008 8:49:57 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Barack Obama: In Error and arrogant -- he's errogant!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Where in the world is all this money coming from?!!"

A printing press. That is a fact that should scare you out your socks. Do some research on The Wiemar Republic.

4 posted on 11/24/2008 8:50:51 PM PST by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Where in the world is all this money coming from?!!”

Easy...we borrow money from China...we buy more paper...and print it!!!


5 posted on 11/24/2008 8:51:53 PM PST by jessduntno (Barack - Kenyan for "High Wind, Big Thunder, No Rain")
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To: blackbart.223

I’ve taught history, so I don’t have to do that research. This just makes me more determined to move to the Philippines...


6 posted on 11/24/2008 8:52:08 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Barack Obama: In Error and arrogant -- he's errogant!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Where in the world is all this money coming from?!!

Seriously. I wish somebody could explain this.
If they sell U.S. treasury bonds to get cash for the handouts, who is buying the bonds and where was their money before?

Wouldn't they have to sell something else in order to buy the bonds?

And then wouldn't that decrease the demand (and thus the price) for what they sell?

So if they owned stocks ... uhhhmm, doesn't that mean the stock market can go no other way but down?

7 posted on 11/24/2008 8:54:09 PM PST by PressurePoint
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Yes, moths flew out...

You lucky devil. Mine were too starved for flight.

;-)

8 posted on 11/24/2008 8:55:07 PM PST by dighton
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Here's what it's beginning to look like...Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were running out of money to give Section 8 loans with...Bwawny Fwank blew the whistle (are you sure it was just a "whistle" he blew?) and called Daddy Warbucks (Paulson)to make a new "cash deposit" into these two wonderful agencies who are "helping the needy".

Meanwhile, ACORN's promised billions were detected and removed from the original handout, er bailout...and now they come to the trough to collect what they worked for during this fiasco, er, campaign.

Now all these new handouts, er, bailouts are for the other banks so they won't tattle on Fannie and Freddie.

Now, probably none of this is true, but it makes about as much sense as anything else...especially since they're still advertising for, and handing out Section 8's like rubbers at an aids convention.
9 posted on 11/24/2008 8:55:28 PM PST by FrankR (Where's Waldo ([W]here [A]re [L]egal [D]ocuments [O]bama? (i.e. birth certificate))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"This just makes me more determined to move to the Philippines..."

If you feel the need to go somewhere else Ireland makes more sense. Their economy is booming due to one of the lowest corporate tax rates. For myself I'm sticking here. I owe it to those who went before to try and restore The Republic even if I wind up tilting at windmills like Don Quixote.

10 posted on 11/24/2008 9:00:03 PM PST by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"This just makes me more determined to move to the Philippines..."

If you feel the need to go somewhere else Ireland makes more sense. Their economy is booming due to one of the lowest corporate tax rates. For myself I'm sticking here. I owe it to those who went before to try and restore The Republic even if I wind up tilting at windmills like Don Quixote.

11 posted on 11/24/2008 9:00:35 PM PST by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Spending $50 billion to lower mortgage rates would yield about 500,000 more home sales, projects the National Association of Realtors.

The article is all over the place.

I don't get it. Why does anyone have to spend money to lower a mortgage rate ?

Why would it make a home more affordable under new (really old) credit guidelines ?

12 posted on 11/24/2008 9:01:04 PM PST by stylin19a ( Real Men don't declare unplayable lies)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Stop the bail outs, all of them!!

Not one person or company deserves to be helped!


13 posted on 11/24/2008 9:03:13 PM PST by dalereed
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is like a pyramid scheme: first ones in get all the cash, while the last ones in and the folks at the bottom (us) get scr*wed.


14 posted on 11/24/2008 9:05:35 PM PST by LibFreeOrDie (Obama promised a gold mine, but he will give us the shaft.)
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To: stylin19a
It only benefits realtor's by generating undeserved commissions!
15 posted on 11/24/2008 9:07:15 PM PST by dalereed
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To: jessduntno

Easy...we borrow money from China...we buy more paper...and print it!!!


Good thing we exported all our heavy industry to China or we’d have no one to borrow from. [/sarc] One of the few people making sense is Peter Schiff. Its interesting when you seem him argue with the other financial “gurus”—you quickly realize the other guys are stodges (regardless of their credentials). Almost no one is telling the truth, everyone is scared witless. We are just digging ourselves a deeper hole with these mindless stimulus packages.

Sadly, I have come to the conclusion that 2/3 of the American people are absolute morons.


16 posted on 11/24/2008 9:08:17 PM PST by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

your pockets.


17 posted on 11/24/2008 9:13:15 PM PST by television is just wrong (obama is going to pay my mortgage for me!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

lol, that did actually h
appen to my father in law.


18 posted on 11/24/2008 9:13:45 PM PST by television is just wrong (obama is going to pay my mortgage for me!)
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To: dighton

I can’t afford moths.


19 posted on 11/24/2008 9:14:18 PM PST by BMiles2112
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To: PressurePoint
Steps to prepare.

If you don't have a tall fence around your property arrange
to put one in.

If you have a yard in the back, buy active seeds strains
of tomatoes,asparagus,carrots. Learn to farm them.
Store lots of vitamins.

One firearm per member of household.

If you have a pool convert to covered storage shed.
if you dont have a shed, buy several large plastic impermeable sheds from OSH, bury them to the top. Buy
astro turf and cover your new “garden” stuff the your sheds full of SPAM, Stuff it with supplies for first aid. Might
want to include a 200 gallon water tank, and Water Recycler.

Car?? not necessary, most people wont have a job anyway.

20 posted on 11/24/2008 9:14:56 PM PST by Admiral_Ritt
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To: Admiral_Ritt

Don’t forget to fill every jug, soda bottle, whatever that comes into your household with tap water once it’s original contents are gone. Basic firearms and as much ammunition as you can afford. Bleach for cleaning and purifying water. A Coleman or similar camp stove. Rice, beans, flour, powdered milk, etc. in bulk. A survival guide or Boy Scout handbook (especially an older one, circa 1950’s or 60’s), matches, firewood if applicable, and lanterns. One of those self-powered FM radios/cell phone charger/flashlights would come in handy.


21 posted on 11/24/2008 9:22:32 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Barack Obama: In Error and arrogant -- he's errogant!)
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To: dighton

LOL!


22 posted on 11/24/2008 9:39:29 PM PST by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The Housing market is trying to RECOVER from being over inflated and these idiots prevent it from doing so by keeping prices up.

This is all New Deal economics.

23 posted on 11/24/2008 10:07:40 PM PST by fortheDeclaration ("Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people".-John Adams)
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To: dighton; 2ndDivisionVet

How many moths do you both have? It isn’t fair if you have more moths than your fellow citizens, comrades. Our Beloved Leader BO, will come by later to take some of your moths and share your moths with the less fortunate who don’t have as many moths as you. Remember, it’s the patriotic thing to do.


24 posted on 11/24/2008 10:55:02 PM PST by Pining_4_TX
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To: Pining_4_TX

Keep your “grubby” hands off my moths, tovarishch!

Insects as Human Food
http://www.food-insects.com/Insects%20as%20Human%20Food.htm


25 posted on 11/24/2008 11:10:27 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Barack Obama: In Error and arrogant -- he's errogant!)
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To: dighton

Yes, moths flew out...

You lucky devil. Mine were too starved for flight.

....

The spider must have eaten my moth.


26 posted on 11/24/2008 11:14:11 PM PST by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: Admiral_Ritt

My car (a 1984 Mercedes 300D turbo) will run on vegetable oil/grease if slightly modified.


27 posted on 11/24/2008 11:25:10 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Barack Obama: In Error and arrogant -- he's errogant!)
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To: Admiral_Ritt
One firearm per member of household.

If you think I'm trusting my 82-year-old father-in-law with a gun, you're wrong.

28 posted on 11/24/2008 11:44:37 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (You don't have a soul. You are a Soul. You have a body. -C.S. Lewis)
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To: Admiral_Ritt
Might want to include a 200 gallon water tank, and Water Recycler.

I have a supply of 10 gallons of RO water, 50 gallons in my water heater, and a water canal within walking distance.

29 posted on 11/24/2008 11:46:29 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (You don't have a soul. You are a Soul. You have a body. -C.S. Lewis)
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To: Admiral_Ritt
Wow! You really believe things will be that bad? (A serious question by the way). That preparation is for a Gehenna type apocalytpic scenario ...like the social meltdown that would have occured during the Cold War after a nuke strike by the Sovs. You really see a Zombie-apocalypse situation arising? Why, and more importantly, how?

Thanks sir.

30 posted on 11/25/2008 12:15:28 AM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: stylin19a

Speaking from present experience- I am buying right now. You have to pounce like a hawk on a field mouse when a decent, affordable property hits the market. I have had several that I’ve written offers on buried under a flurry of competing offers. I usually get priced out.
This is in Northern Virginia, in the DC Metro area. I just wrote one on Sunday; I need somewhere to live! I sweetened it as much as I can afford to, here’s hoping I get it.


31 posted on 11/25/2008 12:28:11 AM PST by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: Riley
congratulations....it sure seems like an optimum time to buy. wish I could convince my son to go for it.
32 posted on 11/25/2008 7:13:38 AM PST by stylin19a ( Real Men don't declare unplayable lies)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yum! Bet they taste like chicken!

The state of Louisiana keeps trying to get its citizens to eat giant rats.

http://www.wlf.louisiana.gov/experience/nutriacontrol/humanconsumption/recipes.cfm

Bon appetit!


33 posted on 11/25/2008 11:44:02 AM PST by Pining_4_TX
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Where in the world is all this money coming from?!!

We are selling Treasury bonds to foreigners in exchange for their cash, which will one day have to be paid back with interest from the taxes to be collected on your future earnings.

Get to work. ;)

34 posted on 11/25/2008 11:51:53 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("One man's 'magic' is another man's engineering. 'Supernatural' is a null word." -- Robert Heinlein)
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