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Posted on 11/25/2008 6:20:28 AM PST by Turret Gunner A20
My God! The unions are actually going to pull this one off! Their unionization-by-intimidation bill is actually going to pass! Now just ask yourself .. what would you do if you were an employer and you felt that the Democrats were on the verge of passing the union's "card check" bill. Well .. I'll tell you what I would do. I would be looking at any automation that I could find that would reduce my workforce. I would then go with all of the offshore options I could find that would allow me to get rid of more employees. Then I would go to staffing agencies for the rest of my workforce. The people working in my place of business would not be working for me. They would be working for a staffing agency. If they want to unionize something, they can unionize the staffing agency. If the Democrats bring us "card check" along with an expansion of the Family Leave Act my guess is that there are a lot of employers out there who will do everything they can to get rid of employees.
Unions played a big part in destroying the big three automakers. Now they can play a similar role with your business. Aren't you workers glad you voted for Obama? You might have voted yourself right slap out of a job.
“Staffing agencies”- sounds like a good growth opportunity for entrepreneurs. We have a friend who started a temp staff agency years ago and has become a wealthy man
WIll the idiots that voted for Obama realize they made the biggest mistake ever, or will they STILL try to pin this BS on Bush?
Conservatives are going to have to mount a huge phone/e-mail deluge of Congress to keep this from happening. But sadly, it’s likely to pass because we’ve turned the entire country over to libs. They own the schools, government, judiciary, media, and entertainment. And - virtually all of those sectors are fully unionized.
Ther used to be an A-20 down in Bimini next to the airport. It was not crashed but out of service. Don’t know hat happened to it. My Dad was a tail gunner in an A-20 “Able Fox”.
They’ll never admit they were wrong. If they had a conscience they wouldnt have voted for him to begin with.
Do you really think dems have a conscience about their world view?
Obama will have no choice but to unleash our troops against the people of America. A dependent, lazy, multicultural dumbed down society is going to wreak havoc on the administration by demanding more and more freebies. Get ready to have him take everything you have by force in order to feed the idiots.
It ain’t passed yet.
A lot of democrats see this as it is, even McGovern opposes it. This is a largely unpopular measure, if the Republicans make an issue of it, it could easily fail with the passive support of democrats looking for reelection. Even more likely, I can see Obama shuffling this act to the bottom of the deck for later action.
Big Labor doesn’t have any place else to go, and Obama has other fish to fry.
Americans have already figured out that union shops go out of business.
Easy answer. The latter.
I agree, but if the world goes to hell in a short 2 years, i would think even the most die hard Democrat might have to concede that maybe “they” made a mistake and that the Republicans were probably right.
What allows a union strike to work is not that the union members can walk off the job (which would otherwise be just a mass resignation). What makes the strike work is their ability to prevent (using violence and sabotage if necessary) anybody ELSE from replacing them on the job.
If all your production-line workers are from three or four staffing agencies, then you can dismiss them all, and legally bar them from coming near your place of work.
That’s an optimistic view that I do not think will come to fruition. There is too much in-fighting amongst the GOP, and the message is not only in disarray, the MSM is going to make it even more blurry during the midterm campaigns.
Elections have become tainted and will become more so in 2010.
“This is a largely unpopular measure, if the Republicans make an issue of it, it could easily fail ... “
If our current crop of Republicans had a single pair among them, they’d point lots of things out. As it is, they’ll whine, then roll over.
These are dark, dark days in Amerika.
With so many specialized highly degreed workers, tech people AND factory workers of all stripes looking for work- temp staffing agencies could clean up
I cannot concieve of a business save perhaps the very largest, going all-union. Especially in the economy we are likely to have throughout Obummer’s entire first term
It will be interesting to see what happens with WalMart
Personally I hope the family stands up for its principles, takes the money and runs. They could make another huge fortune in Russia or Eastern Europe
That is a very gloomy forecast. Sort of a downward spiral. It almost seems too real now that Freepers will have to resort to meeting in secret or fear of death or torture from the evil captives.
WIll the idiots that voted for Obama realize they made the biggest mistake ever, or will they STILL try to pin this BS on Bush?
They will realize their error when someone confesses to the murder of Jimmy Hoffa and produces the embalmed body as evidence against themselves.
***if the world goes to hell in a short 2 years, i would think even the most die hard Democrat might have to concede that maybe they made a mistake and that the Republicans were probably right.***
Problem is, dims are incapable of admitting mistakes. (Which explains why they keep making the same ones over and over.)
As for the world “going to hell in a short 2 years”...
I saw a great bumper sticker:
“Don’t make me come down there.” GOD
I will close down if anyone here tries to unionize. I had a SOB a few years back that was trying to organize and I downsized his job. No more union talk here. He sued, I won. I love right to work states:-)
I haven’t seen any leadership talking or holding press conferences on the Republican side at all to address this issue. The closest so far on any issue is the Congressman from Alabama who jumped in there on the Youth Civilian Corp thing. If no one speaks up, there is no one protesting or stating the opinion of the Republican party and they may as well fade away at that point. And are the fillibuster members ready to do their thing? Even if they lose, they need to be protesting so American knows they exist and they need to speak up.
Card Check is the dem solution to the Big Three auto makers. First, you pass the bailout to keep them in business for a couple of years. Then you pass card check which allows the UAW to organize Honda, Toyota, Nissan and bring in the same UAW contracts. There, the playing field is level and the problem is solved.
I wish I had a Republican to encourage!! In NM we went from 3 of 5 to 0 of 5 in Congress, mainly due to the circular firing squad in the primary last June. We lost the conservative second district candidate who tried to replace the retiring moderate Senator Pete Domenici. The national party gave up the seat early in realization that a very conservative candidate can't win in a heavily Democratic Hispanic state. Given it was a Democratic year we probably would have lost the seat anyway, but we didn't have to lose the second district if the two candidates hadn't beat each other to a pulp in the primary. Unfortunately, I don't see us gaining any of these back soon.
The problem with outsourcing work offshore is that, as so many have found out, you usually wind up outsourcing control along with the work.
I agree, but if the world goes to hell in a short 2 years, i would think even the most die hard Democrat might have to concede that maybe they made a mistake and that the Republicans were probably right.
If things get worse, and don't turn around in two years, there will be two things that the Dems and their media propaganda wing will push. The talking points will be:
of course they will add trade restrictions and tariffs also
Kinda eager to take up arms against your fellow Americans, aren’t you?
This is a tought one for me. Yeah a lot of these idiots who voted for 0bama don’t know what’s good for them, but are they really so stupid as to try to organize in such a way that their company will have to shut down? Seems like the unions realize they’re going to have to make sacrifices like everyone else. But what do I know? I love my right to work state.
The real hope is to get ads out that explain this to the American people. They don’t know!
If they find out they’re going to expand the same unions that brought GM to it’s knees, I don’t think it will pass. Meanwhile, if necessary filibuster.
I would think that small businesses would foot the bill to get this out there.
Of course they’ll try that, but it is questionable whether they’ll get away with it.
Esquilax - member since 11/8/2008 - kind of a newbie arent ya? Hmmm lets see - Obama is not born in the US, a recognized socialist/communist, pledges a brown shirt army, plans to further nationalize industry, economy suddenly collapses a month before election...nah nothing to worry about - are you sure you belong here?
Personnel Employement Organizations (PEOs) are growing quite rapidly. You lease your employees to yourself from an agency. The agency handles all the paperwork, benefits, etc. It is expensive. However, unionization would cost more.
This would be a bonanza for them.
In this advanced, matured, developed, sophisticated world economy, it’s a liability if you don’t take care of your employees to a certain degree, so unions just aren’t necessary like they were when the industrial economy was primitive and bosses exploited their employees as much as they could
Well when I said “they” I wasn’t referring to the Democrat “elite” like Pelosi, Reid and the other cast of misfits (they have long been considered off their rocker and not able to be rehabilitated). I was referring to the average Democrat idiot that voted for Obama. I would think even a few of them will see through the MSM smokescreen as being BS. Then again as others have said here maybe I am too optimistic, or even that I am delusional to think such a thing could happen.
They handle their own insurance, FICA, and Fed and State Taxes - which gets itemized on their 1040 and Schedule C come April 15 (or quarterly installment payments to the IRS if applicable).
We have a life-long friend who was a glorified receptionist / book keeper for an Auto Dealer and this is how she was 'employed' for years. So this concept isn't new.
Will be interesting when the price of food increases 20% in those parts of the country where supermarket employees have not previously been unionized. That is the premium I have estimated we are paying at the unionized stores.
Unionization affects EVERYONE.
Well, we all knew this experiment wasn't going to last long. Wait until they start looking for external enemies to go to war against and lame everything on.
I am working on that right now. I sell Real Estate so that hasn't made me any money, if by selling an asset this year I might have to pay capital gains, I will by the end of the year sell a stock at a loss to counter act that gain.
No taxes will be paid by me, I am working on it right now. I am self employed with lots of expenses, it is very easy to do this.
BTW, capital gains on dividend and assests, under Bushes tax plan, is 0% for both 2008 and 2009. You have to be in the 15% tax bracket or under to qualify. Net income of $65,100 or less.
The Republican party will likely not extist by then. That’s why it’s necessary to kill it once and for all. A new political party will not have all the negative baggage that the Bushes saddled the GOP with and will likely be more discriminating in allowing RINOS to join. In effect we have an opportunity for a genuine Conservative party on the horizon. We should name it the Reaganite party.
I have been a bookkeeper for small business most of my life.
I would immediately sit down with any business and look hard at their total structure.
I would ask them about their origins- Mom-Pop type or what.
I woud see if the “business could be run from home/garage instead of a rented space.
I would ask the owners exactly how much money they need to SURVIVE.
Then I would recommend shrinking down to the core of 2 or 3 people and end the rent/lease and lay off every “empoloyee”. If I felt I needed a person to help the Mom-Pop core, I would either sell them a VERY SMALL share of the business and have them then be “owners” with the caveat that I could buy back the ownership at my demand. Otherwise- I would use only a temp agency. and I would NOT guarantee 40 hours a week. There is too much wasted time on every job, anyway.
You all survived when it was just 1 or 2 of you at the beginning. Cut back to that and stop paying more taxes to the Messiah.
It will be interesting to see what happens with WalMart”
Old man Kohlere shut down the foundry over a demand for unions and a 5 cent an hour increase.
He already paid more than other foundries.
He shut it down for over 2 years.
Town was very grateful when it reopened.
Take what....my car, my house, my plasma tv? And do what with them....sell them? To whom? if no-one has any money who are you going to sell this stuff to.
In order to sell something it presumes that you have something of value that is marketable to someone who has something else of value who is willing to trade.
Your problem isn’t a good Republican- Your problem is the illegal voters and ACORN, IMO.
Looks like the group that is still waiting in South Bend, Indiana for Studebaker to come back.......
This all looks like part of the big plan to destroy business and capitalism as well. Nationalize the businesses. Then inform the unions that they aren’t in charge anymore, since they work for the gummint. If they don’t like it, too bad, since we are in a continual crisis situation.
In the late ‘60’s I went to work at a machine shop in Tulsa. All new hires, within a day or two of starting, were told how the owner broke a union years before.
He simply told his employees that if they wanted to vote in the union, well, he was going to take his wife to Europe for a year or so. And, that if, upon his return, they still wanted the union, he’d always wanted to see Japan.
The employees voted for the union, he went to Europe, and upon his return a year later, the employees almost tore down the gate getting back in.
Another American success story.
“Take what....my car, my house, my plasma tv? And do what with them....sell them? To whom? if no-one has any money who are you going to sell this stuff to”
Did I say that he was going to sell them?? Hmmm I dont remember saying that. That is not how it works Komrad in a socialist regime - he will take it from you and give it to those who NEED it - does hurricane Katrina ring a bell. The looters just took what they wanted and the liberals cheered them on.