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Bush's pardon list shows no high-profile convicts
AP via SFGate ^ | 11/25/8 | DEB RIECHMANN, Associated Press Writer

Posted on 11/25/2008 7:47:57 AM PST by SmithL

WASHINGTON (AP) -- President George W. Bush's latest list of pardons does not include some high-profile criminals who still hope the president will grant them clemency in his final weeks in office.

On Monday, Bush granted pardons to 14 individuals and commuted the prison sentences of two others whose misdeeds included dealing drugs, evading taxes, killing bald eagles or mishandling hazardous waste.

The most recent batch, however, did not include any well-known convicts like junk bond dealer Michael Milken, who is seeking a pardon on securities fraud charges, or two politicians convicted of public corruption — former Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham, R-Calif., and four-term Democratic Louisiana Gov. Edwin W. Edwards — who want Bush to shorten their prison terms.

Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif., noted that the list also did not include former Border Patrol Agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean, who were convicted of shooting a drug smuggler and trying to cover it up. Ramos and Compean are each serving sentences of more than 10 years for shooting Osvaldo Aldrete Davila in the buttocks while he was fleeing from an abandoned marijuana load in 2005.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: bush43; clemency; criminals; pardon; pardons
I don't think we'll see ANY controversial pardons or executive orders until after the Georgia Senate race has been determined.
1 posted on 11/25/2008 7:47:57 AM PST by SmithL
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To: SmithL

Free Ramos and Compean!


2 posted on 11/25/2008 7:53:17 AM PST by Bigg Red (Palin in 2012!)
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To: Bigg Red

I second that, free Agents Ramos and Compean, ya pig-headed, legacy-building, RINO-sell out JERK!


3 posted on 11/25/2008 7:56:15 AM PST by mkjessup (Senator Joe McCarthy was RIGHT - see my FR home page for a tribute to a REAL Patriot.)
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To: Bigg Red

If Bush doesn’t pardon those two guys he can go to hell as far as I’m concerned. He has one last chance to do something right.


4 posted on 11/25/2008 7:56:35 AM PST by Hildy
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To: SmithL

Never moind any pardon of criminals - small potatoes.
He let the Ruskies just sail into our hemisphere with warships.


5 posted on 11/25/2008 7:58:47 AM PST by XR7
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To: SmithL

Why doesn’t Bush just pardon all the low level criminals in federal prisons and move all the al-Qaeda thugs into the prisons in the leftish parts of the country...such as the Federal Medical Facility Ayer. The people in Haarvaard will just freak out!


6 posted on 11/25/2008 8:01:57 AM PST by MIchaelTArchangel
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To: SmithL
Daniel Pue of Conroe, Tx was an interesting pardon in those issued.

He was convicted in 1996 on federal charges of illegal storage, disposal and transportation of a hazardous waste without a permit, according to court records. The waste was pentachlorophenol and creosote sludge. He was sentenced to three years' probation with six months' home detention on each charge. The sentences were to run concurrently. He was also fined $1,000............

......He completed his six months' home confinement but never tried to pursue a pardon until his daughter, Karen Flint, decided to take action. As part of a college government class project, she wrote a letter to the president asking for a pardon for her father.

"We were challenged by our instructor to make a difference and write somebody in office," said Flint, 37. "Some students were writing about potholes. I had more important things on my mind. My dad was a top priority."

Flint mailed the letter in February 2003 and got a reply in May 2003 that included paperwork to apply for a pardon. Daniel Pue and his wife completed the application and mailed it. They received a reply about a month later seeking more information, he said.

The Pues didn't hear anything for another two years. Then one day, an FBI agent called about doing a pardon investigation, Daniel Pue said.

The agent interviewed Daniel Pue, his wife, family, neighbors and co-workers, and said the information would be sent to the pardon attorney for review. That was the last Daniel Pue heard about the pardon, until Monday.
end snips.......

Bush pardons Conroe 'average guy'


7 posted on 11/25/2008 8:04:24 AM PST by deport ( ----Cue Spooky Music---)
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To: SmithL

have Ramos and Compian asked for a pardon yet?


8 posted on 11/25/2008 8:05:55 AM PST by mnehring
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To: SmithL

I read the list the other day and it seemed pathetic to me - why pardon someone who has been convicted of theft or drug dealing? Sheesh - pardon someone who killed another in the defense of a child or a family member - pardon someone who was convicted on a technicality - not someone who blatantly broke the law!


9 posted on 11/25/2008 8:08:02 AM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Tagline scrubbed to prevent invitation to indoctrinization camp)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

He does seem to favor the druggies, which is kind of weird.


10 posted on 11/25/2008 8:11:06 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

Maybe Bush will pardon all drug offenders, now that would really be something.


11 posted on 11/25/2008 8:12:57 AM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: af_vet_rr; traviskicks
And his good buddy, McCright.... a typical good old boy making under the table deals
12 posted on 11/25/2008 8:15:36 AM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Tagline scrubbed to prevent invitation to indoctrinization camp)
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To: SmithL
..loyalty to an incompetent friend is no virtue

If Bush does not pardon Compean and Ramos it will be a permanent stain on his record which conservatives will dedicate themselves to reminding him and the country of for the remainder of Bush's life and beyond...

13 posted on 11/25/2008 8:16:45 AM PST by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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To: traviskicks

It won’t be necessary to free/pardon the drug dealers once Bambi gets into office. Didn’t he say he wanted to lessen the crimes for crack and such and his bff Bill Ayers says prisons should be abolished.


14 posted on 11/25/2008 8:16:46 AM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Tagline scrubbed to prevent invitation to indoctrinization camp)
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To: deport
Flint mailed the letter in February 2003 and got a reply in May 2003 that included paperwork to apply for a pardon.

If it was worth doing, why wait until the final month of the final year of the second term?

At least he wasn't rotting in jail all that time (6 months home confinement had already passed).

15 posted on 11/25/2008 8:19:14 AM PST by weegee (Sec. of State Clinton. What kind of change is it to keep the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton Oligarchy?)
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To: Bigg Red

Free Ramos and Compean! and give them medals for their service. Re-instate them to the border patrol !!!


16 posted on 11/25/2008 8:20:19 AM PST by Ouderkirk (Those who live by the sword risk being shot by those who don’t.)
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To: Hildy

Winning the war in Iraq and crushing Al Qaeda there was not something right that President Bush has done? How about killing most of Al Qaeda leadership and tens of thousands or their battlefield terrorists? How about keeping us safe for the last seven year? How about cutting our taxes taxes? How about Roberts and Alito? How about a ban on embryonic stem cell research?


17 posted on 11/25/2008 8:23:42 AM PST by jveritas (God Bless President Bush and our brave troops)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

If Bush wants to be remembered, he should give everyone a clean slate and empty the Bastille nationwide. No that would give the country a change they could believe in and him a permanent place in history.


18 posted on 11/25/2008 8:24:28 AM PST by Steamburg ( Your wallet speaks the only language most politicians understand.)
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To: weegee

If it was worth doing, why wait until the final month of the final year of the second term?


Who knows what the process is that is used to determine who gets a pardon or not..... However in most of President Bush’s cases it seems they aren’t high profile cases and most have served their time long ago. Restoring rights seems about the most accomplished thing under these senarios and to those that received them I’m sure that is a major thing.


19 posted on 11/25/2008 8:27:19 AM PST by deport ( ----Cue Spooky Music---)
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To: SmithL

I called the White House Comment Line (202-456-1111, then 1, 1) to express disappointment about pardoning a drug dealer but not Ramos and Compean. I told the lady that i was saddened and disappointed by the vindictiveness displayed by this injustice.


20 posted on 11/25/2008 8:48:40 AM PST by MainFrame65 (The US Senate: World's greatest PREVARICATIVE body!.)
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To: MainFrame65

I’m glad you did, but we have to face the fact that President Bush cares more about the illegals than he does about his own citizens. That will be his legacy.


21 posted on 11/25/2008 8:51:07 AM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Tagline scrubbed to prevent invitation to indoctrinization camp)
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To: jveritas

We are not debating that. That’s a given...but there’s more than that. I am sick of him, sorry. He’s been a HUGE disappointment in alot of areas. But on the war on terror. , he did alot right. The court appointments? That was expected from a Republican President and even then we had a hard time. But we are where we are in large part because of the stubborness and tin ear of GW Bush.


22 posted on 11/25/2008 9:09:20 AM PST by Hildy
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

I know that. But I call all of my congresscritters several times each week to let them know what I think of their performance, and I do the same for the president.


23 posted on 11/25/2008 9:19:16 AM PST by MainFrame65 (The US Senate: World's greatest PREVARICATIVE body!.)
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To: Hildy

To me, Ramos and Compean have always been the “canary in the mine shaft” that signals something is horribly wrong. Bush can visit the netherworld for all I care.


24 posted on 11/25/2008 9:23:18 AM PST by TexasRepublic (Comrade, can you spare a slice of bread?)
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To: MainFrame65

You are right. We have to at least keep trying.


25 posted on 11/25/2008 9:36:22 AM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Tagline scrubbed to prevent invitation to indoctrinization camp)
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To: TexasRepublic

The two agents were made examples of, deliberately, so others similarly employed to defend our country against invasion will think twice before actually trying to do their jobs.

“Compassionate conservatism” does not extend to patriots.


26 posted on 11/25/2008 9:37:59 AM PST by Deo volente (On January 20, 2009 America moves to DEFCON 2.)
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To: SmithL

Dog-eared for later reading


27 posted on 11/25/2008 9:55:11 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: Hildy

Ok enjoy the Obama presidency, I am sure that you will feel much better (extreme sarcasm).


28 posted on 11/25/2008 10:03:36 AM PST by jveritas (God Bless President Bush and our brave troops)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

Usually pardons go to people who have redeemed themselves by living good lives after serving their sentences. Often they go to people in their 40s who had a felony conviction in their teens.


29 posted on 11/25/2008 10:10:31 AM PST by MediaMole
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To: MediaMole

I can see that - so explain George’s good buddy banker who cheated and lied and committed fraud in Midland. I’m sure he was really sorry AFTER he was convicted.


30 posted on 11/25/2008 10:41:30 AM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Tagline scrubbed to prevent invitation to indoctrinization camp)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
why pardon someone who has been convicted of theft or drug dealing?

Why not? Jail is for violent criminals.

31 posted on 11/25/2008 11:01:01 AM PST by 08bil98z24 (Disgusted, Disappointed, Demoralized - Its causing me to post long ranting replies Sorry!)
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To: af_vet_rr

He does seem to favor the druggies, which is kind of weird.

Jail is for violent criminals. Druggies are not violent criminals, and the ones who are deserve to be in jail.

All drug possession/paraphernalia charges resulting in jail time should be pardoned.

32 posted on 11/25/2008 11:03:20 AM PST by 08bil98z24 (Disgusted, Disappointed, Demoralized - Its causing me to post long ranting replies Sorry!)
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To: MainFrame65
I called the White House Comment Line (202-456-1111, then 1, 1) to express disappointment about pardoning a drug dealer

Boo Hoo. What has a drug dealer done that is so wrong that he should not receive a pardon.? Hold a gun to someones head and force them to buy his drugs? Honestly.

He obviously isn't a violent criminal ... Jail is for violent criminals.

The War on Drugs is a joke. The right to put whatever I want into my body WILL be given back someday ... for now I just have to hope people will soon realize Government does NOT know best.

Before you say one other word ....

Ramos and Compean deserve to be pardoned.

Filling a false report warrants being fired. It does not warrant imprisonment. This case is pretty disgusting.

33 posted on 11/25/2008 11:13:34 AM PST by 08bil98z24 (Disgusted, Disappointed, Demoralized - Its causing me to post long ranting replies Sorry!)
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To: 08bil98z24

Would you feel the same way if this banker had swindled you out of money? Or how about the drug dealer who sold to a family member?


34 posted on 11/25/2008 1:57:20 PM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Tagline scrubbed to prevent invitation to indoctrinization camp)
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To: 08bil98z24

You seem pretty sympathetic to drug dealers. Since many are gang bangers I guess you think beating or threatening someone for selling on your turf is ok too? And how about the way they enlist young kids to be look outs for them, is that ok too since it doesn’t “hurt” anyone? They also tend to ruin neighborhoods with the thugs they have standing around on the streets selling drugs. Guess that is ok too, huh?


35 posted on 11/25/2008 2:00:13 PM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Tagline scrubbed to prevent invitation to indoctrinization camp)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
Would you feel the same way if this banker had swindled you out of money?

Jail is for violent people. The banker, no matter how wrong he was, does not deserve to be incarcerated with scum bags for one. We seem to enjoy locking up more and more non-violent crime offenders than violent criminals. Unbelievable.

How is the banker who did something stupid worst than a child molester? He is not and does not deserve to be treated as such.

Ramos and Compean did something stupid. They falsified a report. Stupid yes, does it give the Government the right to throw them behind bars. ABSOLUTELY NOT.

Humans are responsible people. We need to take responsibility for our own actions. Enough of this blaming drug dealers for drug addicts. Enough of this Americans can not make the correct decisions involving substances in their bodies. Enough of this thinking that Government knows whats best.

Or how about the drug dealer who sold to a family member?

The drug dealer did not force the family to buy drugs. He did not hold a gun to their head and say buy this. It is in some humans nature to want to take something that alters their mind.

36 posted on 11/25/2008 2:12:25 PM PST by 08bil98z24 (Disgusted, Disappointed, Demoralized - Its causing me to post long ranting replies Sorry!)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
You seem pretty sympathetic to drug dealers. Since many are gang bangers I guess you think beating or threatening someone for selling on your turf is ok too? And how about the way they enlist young kids to be look outs for them, is that ok too since it doesn’t “hurt” anyone? They also tend to ruin neighborhoods with the thugs they have standing around on the streets selling drugs. Guess that is ok too, huh?

All results of the War on Drugs. When you force something to go underground (think Prohibition) you invite a whole cast of sleazy characters to come run the show.

DRUGS WERE NOT ILLEGAL for the majority of human existence. They were made illegal in recent times and now we have a host of problems.

Argue all you want, but buying into propaganda does not escape one from the reality: The War on Drugs is a failure. The Drugs are still flowing, humans are still consuming, and the criminals now control the show.

37 posted on 11/25/2008 2:18:33 PM PST by 08bil98z24 (Disgusted, Disappointed, Demoralized - Its causing me to post long ranting replies Sorry!)
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To: 08bil98z24

I disagree. Cops who file false reports, falsify evidence, and shoot at unarmed men in the back (as these two did) deserve jail time. They appeared to have acted with impunity and felt their badges gave them the right to behave like the criminals we hire them to arrest. I don’t want those kinds of cops, and firing them is not punishment enough, nor is firing them deterrent enough for other cops. Prosecutions and jail time is appropriate and a good deterrent for other cops who may think they can walk on the other side of the street.


38 posted on 11/25/2008 2:20:21 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: Deo volente

Excellent Post. The so called “Compassionate Conservatism” has unfolded as neither Compassionate nor Conservative at all!! CO


39 posted on 11/25/2008 2:29:48 PM PST by Canadian Outrage (Conservatism is to a country what an antibiotic is to an infection - Healing!!!!)
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To: XR7
Never moind any pardon of criminals - small potatoes. He let the Ruskies just sail into our hemisphere with warships.

Okay, what would President XR7 do?

40 posted on 11/25/2008 2:30:59 PM PST by Jacquerie (Man should tyrannize over his bank balance, not over his fellow citizens - John Maynard Keynes)
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To: Hildy

Agreed....he pardons a convicted drug dealer that was in possession of $1.25M in cocaine(who happens to sing, but leaves the border agents hanging.....

I’ve had serious issues with Bush on the economy, border control and a host of other issues. I’ve weighed that against the stellar job he has done defending the nation.

As far as I’m concerned, this would tip the scales against him......


41 posted on 11/25/2008 3:13:28 PM PST by nevergore ("It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.")
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To: 08bil98z24
When your new President changes the laws so drug dealers/users aren't breaking the law, then they won't face jail time - until then, it is against the law and you can't choose which laws to break.

Child molesters get sentenced for the dispicable things they have done - but saying a crooked banker or doctor or lawyer isn't deserving of a sentence is pathetic. They can ruin a life just as a violent criminal or a drug dealer/user can ruin the lives of their victims.

No, no one makes another take drugs but they are illegal because people get addicted then steal from others to feed their addictions. It wouldn't matter if they were legal or not, it wouldn't stop the addicts from doing whatever it takes to get the money to buy them.

Prisons are for lawbreakers - and white collar criminals shouldn't get off just because they aren't street thugs. They can cause millions of dollars of damage to innocent people.

42 posted on 11/25/2008 3:29:12 PM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Tagline scrubbed to prevent invitation to indoctrinization camp)
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To: Jacquerie

Monroe Doctrine.


43 posted on 11/25/2008 9:14:22 PM PST by XR7
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Roosevelt Corollary


44 posted on 11/25/2008 9:18:15 PM PST by XR7
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To: SmithL

Pardon Leonard Pelletier
http://members.tripod.com/usa_waste/id37.htm


45 posted on 11/26/2008 2:52:03 AM PST by Geronemo
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To: Ouderkirk

I second that!


47 posted on 11/26/2008 10:45:03 AM PST by Bigg Red (Palin in 2012!)
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