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To: GodGunsGuts
You recall my response to the issue of "randomness in evolution" yesterday the simple observation W. Edwards Demming had? That was that given a long enough period of time and enough samples any sampling scheme will appear to approach randomness.

That's the problem we have with digging up fossils. We have samples we've obtained going back half a billion years (for the big stuff) from a broad area (surface of the Earth), so whatever we have at hand will appear to approach randomness.

We delude ourselves into thinking the consequence, today's biota, are actually the result of random rather than "directed" processes.

That was yesterday's prediction ~ and today we find a "directed" process right there in the mitochondria (where I really never expected we'd find it).

Who or what came up with the "process" is a question still to be answered, but the "process" exists.

All of evolutionary theory is turned on its head. Unfortunately the writer of the review seems to be still stuck in time ~ hence references to fitness, et al.

42 posted on 11/25/2008 11:57:09 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
All of evolutionary theory is turned on its head. Unfortunately the writer of the review seems to be still stuck in time ~ hence references to fitness, et al.

So, you denounce your own source of the post?

46 posted on 11/25/2008 12:00:28 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Der neuen Fuhrer: AKA the Murdering Messiah: Keep your power dry, folks)
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To: muawiyah
There are some basic misunderstandings at work here. "Directed process" does not mean "designed process". Most of the pro-creationist posters on this thread are making that leap. The "directed process" discussed in the article is a feedback mechanism that causes the result of the process to go in a certain direction.

"We delude ourselves into thinking the consequence, today's biota, are actually the result of random rather than "directed" processes."

Evolution is not simply some random process. It is a "directed process". It has always been understood to be so. That's the whole point. It is natural selection that provides the direction.

86 posted on 11/25/2008 1:14:11 PM PST by mlo
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To: muawiyah

All great points. Thanks for the reply!


96 posted on 11/25/2008 1:28:48 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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