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McCain played 'Democrat' on election issues
OneNewsNow ^ | 2008-11-25 | Chad Groening

Posted on 11/25/2008 2:56:41 PM PST by rabscuttle385

An immigration activist says the Republican Party lost any real chance of retaining the White House the day John McCain won the GOP primary.

William Gheen is president of Americans for Legal Immigration PAC, or ALIPAC. Throughout the presidential campaign, Gheen ardently refused to support John McCain because of the Arizona senator's continued support to grant amnesty to millions of illegal aliens.

Gheen believes McCain was counting on GOP voters to march into the booths at the last minute, hold their noses, and elect him out of fear of Obama. He notes while many Republicans reluctantly made that choice, a significant group withheld their support or voted in opposition to McCain.

"Republicans lost the White House the day John McCain won the primary, and no issue cost him more than his unpopular stance on immigration issues. John McCain is for amnesty; so is Barack Obama," he explains. "It was like we had two Democrats running on several of the issues, so the end result was that Republicans showed up less, many more voted [for a] third party, and a lot of them went ahead and voted for Obama since McCain was matching him on issues such as the bailout and illegal immigration."

Many Republicans, according to Gheen, felt more betrayed by McCain's support for amnesty than Obama's because they would expect a Democrat to take that position.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2008; 2008rncconvention; bho2008; cira; democrat; issues; mcbama; mccain; mccaintruthfile; mcqueeg; rino

1 posted on 11/25/2008 2:56:41 PM PST by rabscuttle385
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2 posted on 11/25/2008 2:57:13 PM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" --Patrick Henry)
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To: rabscuttle385

Senator John McCain Republican Socialist.

He betrayed his conservative roots and sold out to those who held him as a POW and became a socialist like them.


3 posted on 11/25/2008 3:02:58 PM PST by stockpirate (Compassionate Conservatism = Republican Socialism. Thx GWB!)
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To: rabscuttle385

Personally I blame McCain’s loss much more on the MSM being shamelessly in the tank for 0bama and the unscrupulous illegally funded 0bama campaign itself.


4 posted on 11/25/2008 3:04:06 PM PST by Post Toasties (It's not a smear if it's true.)
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To: rabscuttle385

The illegal issue was really hot until McCain got the nomination and threw water on it. People are mad as hell about it and the GOP blew it by not selecting someone else. He probably didn’t get much of Hispanic voters in spite of his support and the rest of the downstream ticket was muted as a result.


5 posted on 11/25/2008 3:04:06 PM PST by A_Former_Democrat
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To: stockpirate

I suspect a lot of conservatives voted for Zero just to put the Rinos out on their ass where they belong.


6 posted on 11/25/2008 3:04:17 PM PST by omega4179 (Pardon Ramos and Compean)
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To: rabscuttle385

Yes, McCain was a loser, but withholding votes so Obama was elected was not smart. There’s a good chance he will wreck the country permanently if he possibly can.

As for teaching Republicans a lesson, I’m not sure they learned a damned thing, any more than they did in 2006. We still need to work and push for better leadership.


7 posted on 11/25/2008 3:06:14 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: rabscuttle385

I’m through with John McCain!


8 posted on 11/25/2008 3:09:06 PM PST by A. Morgan
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To: All

If the Republican party wishes to remain a viable party, it is going to have to toss the idea of holding primaries in the manner it has. Allowing two to three million Republicans (and in some instances not even Republicans) to sellect our nominee before the rest of us even get a vote, is rediculous.

We keep getting lefty after lefty, and we wonder why Conservatism goes nowhere.

The RNC needs to pull it’s head out, clearly define what Conservatism is, educate not only our party members, but the populace at large, and otherwise start acting like it actually believes in it.

If it doesn’t, then say so and those of us who do support conservatism can go somewhere else.

This Democrat lite bull s—t is dead in the water.


9 posted on 11/25/2008 3:10:18 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Okay lefties... the problem with wanting something, is that you sometimes get it. Good luck now!)
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To: A_Former_Democrat
GOP blew it by not selecting someone else.

Frankly I blame McCain's nomination on the early primary states that allowed crossover voting. I think Democrats picked McCain often enough that Guiliani, Romney & Huckabee couldn't get traction. Conservatives should have forced either Huckabee or Romney out early enough so that the other could have rebounded against McCain. 'Course if it were your guy forced out by party insiders you'd be pretty PO'ed.

10 posted on 11/25/2008 3:12:05 PM PST by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: Cicero

For me it wasn’t so much teaching anyone a lesson. I just still have some standards left, and John McCain doesn’t rise to them. Besides, I know I can’t trust the guy to do anything other than to sell us out on issue after issue.

No thanks...


11 posted on 11/25/2008 3:12:21 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Okay lefties... the problem with wanting something, is that you sometimes get it. Good luck now!)
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To: DoughtyOne

BUMP


12 posted on 11/25/2008 3:13:18 PM PST by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: Post Toasties
PT writes...Personally I blame McCain’s loss much more on the MSM being shamelessly in the tank for 0bama and the unscrupulous illegally funded 0bama campaign itself.

And, I agree.

The media have their biggest coup in this "election", and they know it.

There is a juicy, mega $ book in this if someone from the media (perhaps disaffected from the wholesale dishonesty employed at every turn) wants to name some names.

One more thing...as of January 20, 2009 "MSM" changes it's name to "GCM".

(Government Controlled Media)

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13 posted on 11/25/2008 3:13:40 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: DoughtyOne

Republicans can hold ‘beauty contest’ primaries if they want, but the Part should hold caususes to determine who gets the delegates. That’s the only way the GOP can prevent the individual States from screwing with our nomination process.


14 posted on 11/25/2008 3:13:55 PM PST by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: rabscuttle385

We ended up with McCain because the social cons backed Huck, the fiscal cons backed Mitt, the squishy cons backed Rudy, the Reagan dreamers backed Freddy, the immigration crowd backed Hunter...

...and they all drew a line in the sand and stared each other down until McCain slipped in under the radar because he was vanilla pudding.


15 posted on 11/25/2008 3:14:20 PM PST by Bob J
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To: Post Toasties

“PT writes...Personally I blame McCain’s loss much more on the MSM being shamelessly in the tank for 0bama and the unscrupulous illegally funded 0bama campaign itself.”

Also, 3/4 of a billion dollars beats 80 million any day of the week. Obama had so much cash he could light his cigarettes with it.


16 posted on 11/25/2008 3:18:24 PM PST by headstamp 2 (Been here before)
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To: dcwusmc

Thanks


17 posted on 11/25/2008 3:19:30 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Okay lefties... the problem with wanting something, is that you sometimes get it. Good luck now!)
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To: rabscuttle385
RINOs like McCain cost us this election. McCain hates disagreeing with Democrats and that is exactly what a Republican presidential nominee HAS to do. I recently watched Reagan's old debates. He hit hard and smart.

And Congressional RINOs for years have been stabbing the Conservative cause in the back, undermining the very ideals that work.

www.gopetition.com/petitions/we-demand-true-conservative-leadership

18 posted on 11/25/2008 3:19:40 PM PST by ensignbay ((We Demand True Conservative Leadership))
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To: Post Toasties

It was the MSM that shoved McCain down our throats. They knew of all the candidates (save Paul), he was the most unelectable. Then they totally turned their backs on him to elevate their one, true choice. Brilliant, actually. Nefariously brilliant, but brilliant.


19 posted on 11/25/2008 3:20:26 PM PST by Dionysius (Jingoism is no vice.)
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To: rabscuttle385

I voted for the SOB in hopes he would swing back to conservative values. But, NOW I will do everything I can to keep him from being re-elected!


20 posted on 11/25/2008 3:22:57 PM PST by dbacks (God help the USA.)
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To: Tallguy

As long as we get true Conservatives voting for a group that has true Conservatives in it, I’m okay with it.

I would encourage a one party swap limit per 12 month cycle too. This re-registering on a whim to play games is destructive.

Elections should be held on one 24 hour period. Set DC as ground zero. The general election starts in that time zone at 12:01am and runs until 12:00 that midnight.

People in the Central time zone would vote at 11:01pm until 11:00pm the next night.

Mountain time zone would vote from 10:01pm until the next night at 10:00pm.

Pacific time zome would vote from 9:01pm until the next night at 9:00pm.

People in Alaska, Hawaii, or anywhere else would start their election at the same moment as the people in Washington, D.C., and run their election for 24 hours.

I would also set up a rule that after every general election, all voters would lose their registration and have to re-register before the next election.

I believe it should also be required that the person registering, should have to go into the party headquarters of the party they wist to join, to complete the task.

Motor voter should be done away with.

I also believe that absentee ballots are subject to abuse. As much as possible, we should seek to make folks vote in person.

General elections come up every four years. Surely we can remain home on that specific date to do the deed. Otherwise the ballots can be jobbed by the left.

We need to tighten up the process, so that the left can’t screw with things. I think they screwed with things plenty this election, and we should put an end to it.

As for ACORN, they shouldn’t be registering anyone.


21 posted on 11/25/2008 3:33:18 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Okay lefties... the problem with wanting something, is that you sometimes get it. Good luck now!)
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To: Cicero

There’s a good chance he will wreck the country permanently if he possibly can.

It’ll be hard to do when the country has already been wrecked by G.W.B. Obama has inherited a nightmare. When he says “It’s Bush’s fault”, and he will, a lot, he’ll be mostly speaking the truth.


22 posted on 11/25/2008 3:41:57 PM PST by Terry Mross ( It's just a matter of time before we're all 'GUILTY' of hate speech.)
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To: DoughtyOne
RNC needs to pull it’s head out, clearly define what Conservatism is, educate not only our party members, but the populace at large, and otherwise start acting like it actually believes in it. If it doesn’t, then say so and those of us who do support conservatism can go somewhere else. This Democrat lite bull s—t is dead in the water.

Well said.

23 posted on 11/25/2008 3:57:11 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: rabscuttle385

After October and those financial shocks, no Republican could have won.


24 posted on 11/25/2008 4:03:09 PM PST by x
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To: DoughtyOne

My pleasure!


25 posted on 11/25/2008 4:07:12 PM PST by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: Post Toasties

bump


26 posted on 11/25/2008 4:08:10 PM PST by malia
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To: DoughtyOne

ACORN’s whole population, past and present, should be behind bars for life. (EVEN IF the past participants include Barry Obambi. Let him try to take the oath of office wearing an orange jumpsuit and leg irons. That would be a lovely picture!)


27 posted on 11/25/2008 4:12:28 PM PST by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: rabscuttle385

“Republicans lost the White House the day John McCain won the primary,///////

Republicans lost the white house because many of them did not vote for McCain


28 posted on 11/25/2008 4:15:52 PM PST by Ceebass
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To: Ceebass

Though I held my nose and voted for Sarah Palin, I think the first statement is the correct one. ANY of the other candidates (aside from Huckleberry, Giuliani and Romney) would have made better candidates AND might have won.


29 posted on 11/25/2008 4:21:23 PM PST by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: rabscuttle385
I believe there are very few true conservatives in the Rep. Party. Time has come for a third party a true constitutional party.
30 posted on 11/25/2008 4:40:31 PM PST by teddeebare
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To: rabscuttle385

How about reforming the primary system so that only republicans vote for the republican candidate.

Is any progress going to happen on that front ever


31 posted on 11/25/2008 5:00:07 PM PST by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: Bob J

Good analysis and succinctly put.


32 posted on 11/25/2008 6:43:55 PM PST by BufordP (Had Mexicans flown planes into the World Trade Center, Jorge Bush would have surrendered.)
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To: BufordP

Wow...thanks.


33 posted on 11/25/2008 7:01:06 PM PST by Bob J
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To: Bob J

You’re welcome.


34 posted on 11/25/2008 7:02:26 PM PST by BufordP (Had Mexicans flown planes into the World Trade Center, Jorge Bush would have surrendered.)
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To: Cicero

>>Yes, McCain was a loser, but withholding votes so Obama was elected was not smart.<<

I very very reluctantly voted for McC, but if he had won, he would have pushed amnesty, and the voters (with partial justification) would have blamed the R party for the economy in 2010 and 2012. With BO as POTUS, he will need some luck to save the economy.


35 posted on 11/25/2008 8:29:56 PM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (I want to "Buy American" but the only things for sale made in the USA are politicians)
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