Russian Scholar Predicts Economic Crisis Will Rip America Apart (Barf alert)

Fox News ^ | 11-25-08

[aggie21]

A Russian scholar is predicting that the United States' current financial crisis will lead to the breakup of the country.

Igor Panarin, a professor at the diplomatic academy of Russia's Ministry of Foreign Affairs, told the newspaper Izvestia on Monday that America will break apart into six regions following the crisis.

"Dissatisfaction is growing, and it is only being held back at the moment by the elections, and the hope that [President-elect] Obama can work miracles," according to a translation by Bloomberg. "But when spring comes, it will be clear that there are no miracles."

[aggie21]

The prof would like that wouldnt he?

[Proud_USA_Republican]

Let’s start with San Fransicko. They can go be a sanctuary soverign country on their own without federal taxpayers funding it all.

[ari-freedom]

the russians don’t believe in the One? blasphemy!

[volslover]

if you give amnesty with nothing being done about the evil twin sister of chain migration and drive through amnesty babies (far from Mexico is guilty of the latter) on top of the present economy then it will break for sure and really will divide the country worse. I don’t know about these breaks he is saying. And I doubt it will split into actual breaks but the polarization is there. And if not for economy, it would be another close Presidential race like it was in 2000. Only the economy pushed the winner through on this race. The economy is how the independents voted. There is no other mandate of change for anything else. Zogby was right about his after election poll. That’s why some of the state races were almost evenly divided. Also, seems that Pelosi and Reed (these two are definiate extremists) are on a far more extreme leftist agenda than O is. But when it comes to votes and combining all three, it doesn’t matter who is more left or more right than the other but who has the votes. The political pay offs with these bailouts are gross and divisive and won’t stop the downturn. They need to get real.

[Cindy]

Well now, I’m not a Russian and apparently he doesn’t understand Americans.

We’re shopping here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2138260/posts

[berdie]

Gee, I just saw that Russia’s economics were in far worse shape than ours. That if you believe what you read.

Wishful thinking on the prof part, imo.

[The Antiyuppie]

I read a longer version of this article elsewhere, and I thought it was an amazing display of ignorance of American culture and history. If this guy is a professor, maybe their educational system is falling apart more quickly than our own.

[oldenuff2no]

I don't think that this nation will fall either but it is not impossible. We need to remember that the USSR dissolved rather quickly and without our nation or the Soviet's really understanding what was coming. Basically the soviets went bankrupt and half of their nation just kind of walked away and there was nothing that the old USSR could do to stop them.
The biggest threat to our nation is going broke while having high unemployment of highly educated workers and then having the feds make a grab for our guns. Effective revolts and revolutions are almost always led by highly educated unemployed people. The common man may fight these wars but they do not lead or inspire them. If all those things come about at the same time things are going to get very messy very quickly. I know for sure that Texas retained the right to leave the USA under certain conditions when they were accepted as a state. If the economy is going to hell and socialism is initiated forcefully Obama style Texas can legally and just might take that option if pushed on personal rights and the gun issue at the same time. If Texas leads the way many states may try to follow. Having served a many years in the military and having close relatives serving today I can make another prediction with a high degree of certainty. The vast majority of our military members are very conservative and they will not pull the trigger on their own countrymen if a revolt starts. If pushed to do so many will take their weapons and training with them to the other side. With the right situation this could all come apart very rapidly.

[MadMax, the Grinning Reaper]

This guy’s name should be “Ignorant Panicski”.

[justa-hairyape]

I suspect the Russians are doing a little more then just predicting the breakup of the US. The arrival of the Russian North Fleets Naval assets into the Caribbean demonstrates that they may be anticipating the break up. We also have Biden stating that Obambi will have to make some difficult decisions early in his term.

[flowerplough]

Barf alert? I’m no’ pukin’. As a wise, old Scot, Alexander Tytler, is reputed to have written,
“A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.”

[NoLibZone]

Americans are more prone to take things into their own hands.

How many Russians died in the revolution to get ride of the USSR?

How many died when Lenin rose to power?

Russians are sheep.

Always have been.

[driftless2]

I don’t know about six, but I would like to see two regions. We can try an experiment. We’ll let the leftists run their country along the socialist lines they love so well. We’ll run ours along the lines of the free-market, stict constructionist constitutional lines. After about five years, millions of the socialists would be banging on the hundred foot high electrified fence separating the two regions clamoring to get into our country. Five years of a Hugo Chavez/Joe Stalin-style five year plan ought to cure most leftist idiots of their dream of a socialist eden.

[The Duke]

If the dollar becomes worthless then the US will most certainly dissolve, just as the Soviet Union did. It would dissolve because it will be unable to pay enough to keep personnel on the job.

However, I would imagine that the result would be 50 individual states becoming nations, since each already has a state government in place. Maybe afterwards groups of those states might federate.

It's more likely we'll just default on our national debts. That would seem to be more in keeping with the sorry state our national character.

[jmaroneps37]

This guy is probably a Lenin Peace prize winner in Economics.

[laotzu]

Panarin predicts the U.S. will split into: the Pacific, the South, Texas, the Atlantic coast, the central states and the northern states, and hinted that Alaska could be Russia's for the taking.

[B4Ranch]

>I don’t know about six, but I would like to see two regions.<

Agenda 21 calls for the regions.

>>A companion work by the same authors, Mihajlo Mesarovic and Eduard Pestel, entitled Regionalized and Adaptive Model of the Global World System, introduced and described a system of regionalization which divided the globe into 10 regions, each with its own hierarchical system of sub-regions.43<<
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1758057/posts?page=30#30

[B4Ranch]

hedgetrimmer, are the Russians reading my posts?

“A Euro Dollar, an Amero Dollar, an Asian Yuan, a South American Peso and the Russian Ruble financial systems is what I am expecting when they are done wringing us out to dry. Five or six separate but similar money systems that will smoothly interact. The IMF will accept any or all of them.

Devaluation of the US Dollar will ease the swap over to the new, stronger Amero Dollar. Maybe 10 or 15 to 1.

It will certainly open the doors to a New World Order. Agenda 21 will become a common phrase in the media.

Then Obama will push for passage of the LOST Treaty and the Kyoto Accord in Congress. The wussy Republican legislators jumped onto the NAFTA Agreement, they’ll bend easily enough to pass these Bills so that the United Nations will become a permanent fixture in our government.

Still worried about an terrorist attack? There’s no need to fear, you can be thankful that your Socialist government is here to protect you. That document we once called the U.S. Constitution will be put into the file cabinet along with the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights and forgotten.

7 posted on 11/19/2008 7:44:20 PM PST by B4Ranch ((”In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way.” FDR) “

[B4Ranch]

>if you give amnesty with nothing being done about the evil twin sister of chain migration and drive through amnesty babies (far from Mexico is guilty of the latter) on top of the present economy then it will break for sure and really will divide the country worse.<

Agenda 21 calls for amnesty to further the easy movement of workers from region to region as the economy demands change. Mechanized crop harvesting will be tightly controlled because you must have jobs for the people.

[bronxboy]

You can not be serious. No state will secede. Do you guys think this is 1860? Give me a break. Listen, how about we win the next election-might be easier than secession.

[B4Ranch]

>I don’t think that this nation will fall either but it is not impossible.<

What do you call it when 52% of the people vote to elect a Communist? Is that re-enforcement of the constitutional principles? Not from where I’m sitting, it isn’t. Socialism in America is growing as fast as bacteria does in an outhouse on a hot summer day.

[B4Ranch]

>A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.<

Bailouts qualify, I presume. Bailouts for failing businesses, foreclosures, and any other idea we can convince Congress of. We have hit the mark and found the key to the public treasury.

[volslover]

Okay, I will bite or bark despite looking stupid, what is “Agenda 21”? It sounds like the UFO thing in the West Area 55 or something. Maybe stupid but I am not afraid to ask questions

[RightWhale]

Does this count as another opinion each time it is posted?

[B4Ranch]

Agenda 21 - a global agenda for transition to sustainability in the 21ast cenury , agreed to at the 1992 Earth Summit (UNCED) in Rio de Janeiro

Rather than me giving you a tiny brief, why not take a gander in Google. They aren’t hurting for info.

Results 1 - 10 of about 5,270,000 for “Agenda 21”.

[Calpernia]

The region maps are already published. I will post one after my conference call.

[Calpernia]

And the EPA partnered with the UN and adopted Agenda 21 during the years of Clinton. Remember, Clinton also granted the EPA Executive Powers.

EPA has been granted Executive Powers.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=browse_usc&docid=Cite:+42USC7603
Environmental Emergency Powers:

Excerpt:

the Administrator, upon receipt of evidence that a pollution source or combination of sources (including moving sources) is presenting an imminent and substantial endangerment to public health or welfare, or the environment, may bring suit on behalf of the United States in the appropriate United States district court to immediately restrain any person causing or contributing to the alleged pollution to stop the emission of air pollutants causing or contributing to such pollution or to take such other action as may be necessary.

/excerpt

The EPA is partnered with the UN.

http://iaspub.epa.gov/trs/trs_proc_qry.navigate_term?p_term_id=29682&p_term_cd=TERMDIS

EPA.gov

Agenda 21, the Rio Declaration on Environment and Development, is a comprehensive programme of action to be achieved by governments, development agencies, United Nations organizations and independent sector groups in every area where human activity affects the environment. Agenda 21 was adopted by the United Nations Conference on Environment and Development, the Earth Summit. Agenda 21 is the response to the UN General Assembly's call, in December 1989, for a global meeting to devise strategies to halt and reverse the effects of environment degradation "in the context of increased national and international efforts to promote sustainable and environmentally sound development in all countries"

http://www.un.org/esa/agenda21/natlinfo/countr/usa/natur.htm

UN.org

Agenda 21

NATURAL RESOURCE ASPECTS OF SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

* Agriculture
* Atmosphere
* Biodiversity
* Desertification and Drought
* Energy
* Forests
* Freshwater
* Land Management
* Mountains
* Oceans and Coastal Areas
* Toxic Chemicals
* Waste and Hazardous Materials

[Calpernia]

ping

[Calpernia]

See my post for a hard link to Agenda 21.

[RinaseaofDs]

I agree with you, but I think you’d see interior states getting together with states with either river or coastal access and forming nations.

I think the cities would be in big trouble. Nothing left to hold them up - they’d collapse quickly.

We’d start as 50 states, but we would end up in regional states at some point.

I think the professor has a point, that a break up is possible if the financial system breaks down. I think it’s likely. I also think that it would collapse if they hit DC in a catastrophic way.

We are VERY much a red and blue country now, and the red have had it with the blue. It may appear to be vice-versa, but it’s the red that support the blue. Seattle, for example, is such a resource drain on the rest of WA state that it’s not even a close per capita expenditure comparison.

Any place where state or federal government is the major employer, and there’s a lack of farming/manufacturing know-how - they are going to suffer big initially.

I guess the refreshing part is that environmental fascism will be dead for good, since the entire world will have fallen a few pegs down on Maslow’s hierarchy of needs. Colorado would be an excellent state to be in, with their coal and uranium. Montana and Wyoming - oil and oil shale.

For all the stretching and pulling they’ve done on the 10th Amendment, all it will take is a government default or 10 city blocks of DC to disappear and we’d be lucky to have had founders with the foresight to see that the nation ought to be a collection of sovereign states.

Alliances would form quickly, I would think. It may even look a lot like the NCAA conferences or IRS regions.

One thing would be fairly certain, however, and that would be a commitment to some sort of continental defense strategy in the short term.

[B4Ranch]

Calpernia posted the regional chart the Russian was talking about.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2138523/posts?page=28#28

[B4Ranch]

Have you forgotten about the United Nations? They are behind all this and they will not allow it to progress too fast or too slow.

[RinaseaofDs]

UN would collapse pretty quickly too. US funds more than 25% of it, and we make up the bulk of it’s military infrastructure, outside of troop contributions.

In fact, I’m not so sure I’d want to be in that building if the National Government failed. It’s a nest of vipers and a den of spies.

[B4Ranch]

0bama will seriously try get the LOST treaty passed and then the UN will NEVER be short of cash.

[Alas Babylon!]

Alliances would form quickly, I would think. It may even look a lot like the NCAA conferences or IRS regions.

Great! I'm smack dab in the middle of the SEC Nation!

[The Duke]

Yep, I think you’ve thought it through perfectly. I’m not certain that this crisis will result in a dissolution, but it all does seem very serious these days.

[durasell]

Actually, you have it backwards. In general, it’s the blue states that support the red via taxes and gubmint spending. The Tax Foundation has done a detailed study of this.

[oldenuff2no]

I didn’t say that I think it will happen but Texas can legally secede from the USA. it is part of the agreement that was signed and stipulated when Texas became a state. If you want to piss off a Texan try and take away their guns.

[oldenuff2no]

But it is the red states who have the vast majority of natural resources. Most power lines at least cross the red parts of this country. The water our cities drink also transverses the red states and counties. The food the cities need to survive does not originate in blue areas either. All the folks in the red areas have to do is interrupt these commodities, blockade the city folks in and sit back and wait.
In a serious altercation the blue areas of this nation would be SOL in about 4 days. Can you imagine what life would be like after only a few days with no food, water, power, and sewer in San Francisco, Los Angles, or NYC????? The vast majority of the citizens in those red areas are also well armed. Things would not go well for the socialists in the blue cities.

[durasell]

NYC, for instance, gets all of its power and water “in state.”
And red states may provide the food, but the factory farms are owned by multinationals.

However, Mad Max fantasies aside. When you talk about blue states, you’re talking about financial and corporate centers that are central to our nation, just as red agri-business is central to the country.

In all seriousness, red states have a real problem with depopulation. A trend that started years ago with the richest guys in town sending their kids to college and then off to the big cities, has picked up pace. There are parts of Kansas, for instance, that will literally give you land to live there or open a business there.

To make red states, such as Alabama viable again will take a tremendous amount of investment.

[durasell]

...and for the record, when you talk about an armed insurgency, you’re talking about treason.

Also, the Russians have always mis-judged the U.S., thinking that our differences made us weaker or that our society was based solely on money. They were wrong years ago and they’re wrong now.

[oldenuff2no]

That’s what the British said!

[oldenuff2no]

That is all relevant as to how hungry and thirsty they get. It wouldn't take a massive revolution to plant charges on the big electric towers or to blow a hole in the pipes or canals that take the water to the cities. A few bridges down on the interstates in strategic locations and things start to snarl up pretty fast. There are more than a few of us around who have first hand knowledge of what a few dedicated souls can do.
The logistics of causing great turmoil for our cities isn't that complicated.

[durasell]

I’m sure you have your reasons, but truly, if you think it through you’ll see you are talking about traitorous acts. You are suggesting acts that are no better than those dreamed about by America’s worst enemies.

[oldenuff2no]

Our worst enemies are now, and have been for the last 60 years, SOCIALISTS!!!!!!
The USSR was socialist and we had a very long cold war before she fell.
It makes no difference if the socialists are foreign or domestic. They are enemies of our constitution and our way of life.
I would reply to you that Obama is nothing more that America's Hugo Chavez. In the beginning he was also elected by a free people and now they are free no more. Every time he speaks freely without s script pure socialism rolls right out of his mouth. It isn't hard to see where his heart is and where he intends to take this country.

[durasell]

In most countries of the world the term “socialist” are widely seen as part of the mainstream politics. In America, one of the few exceptions to this attitude, we often use the terms socialist and communist interchangeably.

[oldenuff2no]

Socialism seems to lead to communism. Hugo in now a self avowed Socialist but in his own words wants to take his country down the same road that Cuba traveled. Cuba is clearly Communist. The two are very closely connected.

[durasell]

It’s a matter of degrees. Most of Europe has active socialist parties who have been in power at one time or another, i.e. Sweden.

George Orwell (aka Eric Blair) was an avowed socialist, but hated communism.

Apparently socialism remains in check as long as there is a counter force at work.

[oldenuff2no]

I've spent time in Europe and have witnessed what you are saying. I think it depends on how socialism arrives on the scene. If a socialist politician is elected and doesn't challenge the constitution then most of the time things stay afloat. There are changes, loss of personal rights and freedoms, and great economic loss for capitalists but the ship does not sink for awhile. Eventually the economic situation gets where France is today and that is bankrupt. I have family who just returned from three years teaching in France. In France a right wing leader has just been elected by a socialist society in hopes that he can save their socialist utopia. Now doesn't that make a lot of since. If socialism is imposed by force or pushed by elected officials beyond what is allowed by the local constitution then communism will result. The old constitution can not be allowed to function properly or it would expel the socialist from power.
Have you ever been to Iceland?