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As Latinos tilt Democratic, can Texas stay ‘red’?
The Christian Science Monitor ^ | 2008-11-25 | Michael B. Farrell

Posted on 11/26/2008 8:10:30 AM PST by rabscuttle385

The Lone Star State is the last big GOP bastion where Hispanics are a sizable voting bloc.

Houston

When President Bush says so long to Washington on Jan. 20, he’ll return to a much different Lone Star State from the one he left eight years ago.

Pickup trucks, Big Oil, and barbecue brisket still reign supreme, but this red state that helped deliver the presidency to Mr. Bush twice and his father once, and that catapulted GOP strategist Karl Rove to the national stage, is suddenly spotted with big pockets of blue.

Dallas is controlled by Democrats; Houston is in their hands, too. It’s all largely because of the state’s growing Hispanic population, which overwhelmingly sided with Democrats this year.

“The tide of demography in Texas is moving against the Republicans,” says Cal Jillson, a political scientist at Southern Methodist University in Dallas. “All the major cities are Democratic and are likely to become more so over time.”

(Excerpt) Read more at features.csmonitor.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: bho2008; elections; gop; hispanicvote; latinovote; redstates; texas
Soon, Texas may go the way of Virginia and North Carolina.

Witness the dark side of non-enforcement of immigration law.

1 posted on 11/26/2008 8:10:30 AM PST by rabscuttle385
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To: rabscuttle385

When “La Amnestia” comes...and it will now...it’s all over but the shoutin’.


2 posted on 11/26/2008 8:12:23 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: rabscuttle385

Correct.....If you want to see how Hispanics will vote....simply look at who they place in office in Mexico. Hispanics are use to being taken care of by their government. They don’t know what to do if left on their own.


3 posted on 11/26/2008 8:14:04 AM PST by RC2
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To: rabscuttle385

You’re a Mexican, legal or illegal. What’s the difference. You came here for handouts, gov’t perks, benefits, welfare, Medicaid, crime, drugs, free hospitalization. You set up violent killer gangs all across America. You’re a victim. Society wasn’t kind to you. Stealing from Americans is a lot easier than working. Of course you’re a liberal. Liberalism creates victims, it loves victims, that’s how it survives.


4 posted on 11/26/2008 8:14:29 AM PST by Doc Savage ("Are you saying Jesus can't hit a curve ball? - Harris to Cerrano - Major League)
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To: rabscuttle385

“Multiculturalism” and “diversity” will be the death of this nation. People don’t come here to become Americans anymore, they come here for the handouts. And they vote for whoever gives them the most handouts.

Soon there won’t be a red state left in the country. There will still be conservative areas, but we’ll have no voice because we’ll be overwhelmed by the populations of the blue cities that are dependent on the government.

Cities = evil.


5 posted on 11/26/2008 8:15:12 AM PST by Zeddicus
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To: Tennessee Nana; AuntB; calcowgirl; AmericanInTokyo; Arizona Carolyn
*Ping!*

The trick is to import legal, highly-educated immigrants who want to settle down and start their own businesses and families. Those folks recognize the value of such "antiquated concepts" as the rule of law, the value of keeping what they earn, and the reason for assimilating into the melting pot of our American Republic. Instead, the Republicans played into the hands of the globalists (not necessarily within the Democratic Party) by allowing a massive influx of illegal, unskilled, uneducated aliens who are easy to control and manipulate with propaganda. Now the Republicans are stuck pandering to segmented groups of the population with promises of entitlements. And, we know who wins that game.

6 posted on 11/26/2008 8:15:54 AM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: rabscuttle385

Many Hispanics crossed over to vote for GB.


7 posted on 11/26/2008 8:17:45 AM PST by CindyDawg (Lord, please bless America)
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To: rabscuttle385

Exactly

Many many Vietnameese people are business owners who vote for conservatives

They run the hair salon, the dry cleaner, the Pho Restaurant and care about things like the rule of law, low taxes and freedom

After all, they left because of the communists and many of their children share these values


8 posted on 11/26/2008 8:19:55 AM PST by MadIsh32 (The token Muslim :))
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To: rabscuttle385
There is little to argue with in this article, even if it came from the liberal Christian Science Monitor. Even the reliably Republican suburban counties like Collin and Denton, north of Dallas, came in at 62-37 for McCain, several percentage points under the performance of the Bushes and Reagan. I did not look at the rural counties too much except for the northern Panhandle, which appeared to run 3-1 to 8-1 for the GOP, as usual.

The only way the Hispanic tide can be stemmed is by closing the border and assimilating the Latin Americans as the children and grandchildren of the Eastern and Southern Europeans who immigrated en masse from 1880 to 1920 were. However, there is no political will to do so.

9 posted on 11/26/2008 8:19:59 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: rabscuttle385
Cities are blue, rural areas are red. There is a basic difference between the world view of people crammed together in cities and those living in more spacious areas. It's the difference between Confucianism and Taoism. Rat crammed together in a tight box act differently than rats in a big box. People in cities are afraid of guns, people in the country are used to having them around. Leash laws are needed in the city, curb your dog is required. People in the country let there dogs roam. There are a bunch of generalities like these. IMHO living in a city is not good for you. Did it when I was single but didn't like it much. Why the people living in the castle behind a moat, think city with a perimeter highway, have to make the rules for us peasants beats me. Tax money tends to go from the suburbs to the city not the other way around. Megacities will be even worse. It's a trend and there is no stopping it.
10 posted on 11/26/2008 8:20:29 AM PST by dblshot
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To: rabscuttle385
"All the major cities are Democratic and are likely to become more so over time.”

Let 'em have the cities. They'll implode soon enough. For the immediate future, they're just going to become giant sinktraps overburdened by bloated bureaucracies and failing school systems, drowning in illegal immigrant populations completely dependent upon government largess.
11 posted on 11/26/2008 8:21:32 AM PST by PowderMonkey (Will Work for Ammo)
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To: rabscuttle385

 

 

 

  MEXAS

 

 

 

Thank you, Jorge Wtf Bush!
12 posted on 11/26/2008 8:27:06 AM PST by BufordP (Had Mexicans flown planes into the World Trade Center, Jorge Bush would have surrendered.)
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To: Doc Savage

“...Liberalism creates victims, it loves victims, that’s how it survives.”

Liberalism, much like communism, keeps people ignorant, hungry and sick just to stay in power.


13 posted on 11/26/2008 8:28:40 AM PST by LottieDah (If only those who speak so eloquently on the rights of animals would do so on behalf of the unborn.)
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To: rabscuttle385

There’s enough Communist “Red” in Massachusetts, thanks. Let’s keep it Conservative Blue. (Up yurs, newsspeak colors).


14 posted on 11/26/2008 8:32:38 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: rabscuttle385
W will not be returning to Texas - except maybe for a brief time. He will be moving to his ranch in South America that has been undergoing significant infrastructure improvement and a massive build out of housing.
15 posted on 11/26/2008 8:34:56 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit.)
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To: All

Awful lot of talk in the comments of this and other thread that can only be described as abject whining.

What are you going to do about electing Republicans?

Oh yes, you can swagger about and punch a fist into your hand about “Conservative Principals”, and then when you’re done that you can come to threads like this and whine.

What are you going to do about electing Republicans?


16 posted on 11/26/2008 8:38:15 AM PST by Owen
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To: rabscuttle385

“As Latinos tilt Democratic, can Texas stay ‘red’?”

If we only let legal ones vote, the answer is yes.


17 posted on 11/26/2008 8:45:30 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: rabscuttle385
The trick is to import legal, highly-educated immigrants who want to settle down and start their own businesses and families. Those folks recognize the value of such "antiquated concepts" as the rule of law, the value of keeping what they earn, and the reason for assimilating into the melting pot of our American Republic. Instead, the Republicans played into the hands of the globalists (not necessarily within the Democratic Party) by allowing a massive influx of illegal, unskilled, uneducated aliens who are easy to control and manipulate with propaganda. Now the Republicans are stuck pandering to segmented groups of the population with promises of entitlements. And, we know who wins that game.

Bingo, and we get balkanized socialism as part of the open borders, shamnesty bargain.

18 posted on 11/26/2008 8:47:14 AM PST by TADSLOS (McCain Courted Socialism and Brought Us Marxism Instead)
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To: CindyDawg
Many Hispanics crossed over to vote for GB.

A lot of them must have stayed because McCain got virtually the same number of votes in TX this year as Bush did in '04 (within 60,000 votes out of 4.5 million cast for the Republicans). The problem is that the Dems got 700,000 more votes this year. I suspect a lot of the increase was due to early voting and what I believe will turn out to be record black voting in the cities.

I'm sure there was an increase in hispanic numbers for the Dems this year. I just don't know how big it was. Here in Houston, there are substantial pockets of middle class hispanics. They own homes, they work, they're legal and I saw many McCain signs in their neighborhoods this year.

We have access to the precinct-by-precinct voting results here in Harris County. I suspect they would show most of the Dem increase was in black precincts. If I ever get the time, I may look into that.

19 posted on 11/26/2008 8:49:19 AM PST by Al B.
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To: dblshot
IMHO living in a city is not good for you. Did it when I was single but didn't like it much.

Agreed. Cities are not a healthy, natural, habitat for humans.

If the GOP put a stop to mass immigration then there would be a chance at reversing the demographic shifts. Everyone knows, whether they admit it or not, that letting millions of third world people into the USA will lead to a serious decline in our standards of living. Since the GOP will not make this an issue then there is little hope at this point.

20 posted on 11/26/2008 8:56:11 AM PST by Aglooka (Posting from New Hampshachusetts (Formerly New Hampshire))
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To: rabscuttle385

Living here in Harris Co, this is truly a very depressing article. I know most people on here have their issues w/ Pat Buchanan, but I would strongly recommend his book, State of Emergency. It pretty much backs up a lot and exposes many details in this article regarding the major immigration issues in the SW US. He also gives several practical solutions to the immigration problems facing the US.

As stated above in the thread, the cities are sink holes and we should forget about them. The key is suburban voters and once the big O puts them into generations of debt, they’ll come around. As for immigration, I’m tired of the pandering to these minorities as many on the GOP side say we should do. Many of the LEGAL immigrants come here to live the American dream and want to be integrated into our society. Stick with conservative and family values principles and many of these groups will come around.

However, on the flip side w/ looming amnesty from Dems and RINOs, that part does not look good at this point. I believe if we articulate a clear message as to why many conservatives oppose amnesty and how not having it could benefit legal immigrants, maybe some of this will turn around.

Not to mention maybe enforcing some of the immigration laws already on the books would be nice.


21 posted on 11/26/2008 9:02:30 AM PST by davek70
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To: rabscuttle385

.......adding a bunch of Transplants from California and Michigan doesn’t help the conservative cause in Texas .....they are everywhere in Austin


22 posted on 11/26/2008 9:12:34 AM PST by Le Chien Rouge
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To: Wallace T.

We have a winner. My father came across the border in 1928, legally with his mother. He went right to work in California, and later joined the Army for World War II. Mom was from Texas and the nine kids they produced assimilated. We run a cross section of America in our family from staunch conservatives to moonbat lib’ruls and the ill-informed tweeners. The point is that we assimilated and in this Second Generation Hispanic family, more conservatives voted than moonbats. As I raise my own family, I will ensure that my kids also maintain that worldview. My 9 year old son is already proud to announce that he is a conservative.

Beyond assimilation however, there are things that Republicans can do to ameliorate the problem with Hispanic voters. First of all, don’t pander. The border needs to be controlled and Hispanics may disagree but they will respect the forthright nature of a reasoned argument. The lib’ruls go to every new citizen swearing in and register voters, have you ever heard of Republicans doing this? You can bet ACORN or LULAC is there. We need Spanish speaking Republicans hitting those citizenship ceremonies as well. So many Freepers have pointed out that immigrants are often steeped in family values and maintain a hard work ethic. These are valued traits and conservatives are ceding the political playing field by not emphasizing that our philosophy is one of opportunity to the new immigrants and citizens.

Finally we need to retake the schools. Part of the reason we managed assimilation so well is I suspect the result of the America my family grew up in. We respected God, the flag and our elders. We said the Pledge of Allegiance every morning at school and had morning prayer. The schools are now a cesspool of multicultural programming that accomplishes nothing in preparing students for real life, unless of course thier objective in life is to become a dependent of the state. Lastly, I pray God that Texas doesn’t succumb. As the birthplace of my mother, the blood of the Lone Star State runs in my veins. As a former resident of that state myself, I am looking forward to retirement there someday, the moreso since my current state of residence went hideously blue on November 4.


23 posted on 11/26/2008 9:13:39 AM PST by Crapgame (Palin/Coulter 2012)
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To: Crapgame

Retake the schools -—??? No, why not HOMESCHOOL your kids!! Yes, you might have to sacrifice, bur you can know what your kids are learning!!


24 posted on 11/26/2008 9:42:59 AM PST by MaineConservative (Conservatives -- if you want CHANGE run for Congress in 2010!! I am))
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To: Crapgame
We need Spanish speaking Republicans hitting those citizenship ceremonies as well.

This strategy reminds me of the factory owner's response when told that he was losing 5 cents a widget, i.e., "Don't worry, we will make it up in volume. When have the Reps received the majority of the Hispanic vote?

The Republicans’ Hispanic Delusion

So many Freepers have pointed out that immigrants are often steeped in family values and maintain a hard work ethic.

Hispanic Family Values?Unless the life chances of children raised by single mothers suddenly improve, the explosive growth of the U.S. Hispanic population over the next couple of decades does not bode well for American social stability. Hispanic immigrants bring near–Third World levels of fertility to America, coupled with what were once thought to be First World levels of illegitimacy. (In fact, family breakdown is higher in many Hispanic countries than here.) Nearly half of the children born to Hispanic mothers in the U.S. are born out of wedlock, a proportion that has been increasing rapidly with no signs of slowing down. Given what psychologists and sociologists now know about the much higher likelihood of social pathology among those who grow up in single-mother households, the Hispanic baby boom is certain to produce more juvenile delinquents, more school failure, more welfare use, and more teen pregnancy in the future.

25 posted on 11/26/2008 9:52:12 AM PST by kabar
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To: rabscuttle385

If we lose Texas, can we ever win an election again? I think we need to start looking at blue states we can pick up since we lost Virginia, North Carolina, Nevada and Colorado. There has to be some Blue states we can turn.


26 posted on 11/26/2008 9:52:12 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: PBRSTREETGANG

Do not be afraid —the Latinos will come around to our way of thinking. We have more in common with them than they have with the Democrats. The Prop 8 vote in “Liberal” California is a signpost of the future. We must reach out to them and they will embrace Family values, and American patriotism. They can be our future.


27 posted on 11/26/2008 10:04:15 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Wallace T.
The only way the Hispanic tide can be stemmed is by closing the border and assimilating the Latin Americans as the children and grandchildren of the Eastern and Southern Europeans who immigrated en masse from 1880 to 1920 were. However, there is no political will to do so.

Particularly with the Democrats in complete control of the federal government for at least the next two years. The Democrats want open borders and to give citizenship (and the vote) to illegal aliens as soon as possible, so that they can continue to boost their voting base.

Clearly, pandering to Hispanics on immigration is not the answer for Republicans, or McCain would have done much better than he did. Neither is simply ignoring the fact that demographics are now running against us. Frankly, I don't know what the answer is.

28 posted on 11/26/2008 10:29:06 AM PST by kennedy (No relation to Teddy.)
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To: Crapgame

Great post.


29 posted on 11/26/2008 10:31:12 AM PST by douginthearmy (In the face of total electoral defeat, show some semblance of sanity.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Kerr County turned out a 75% GOP vote. If we’d had a solid conservative to vote for at the top of the ticket it would have been 80 to 85%.


30 posted on 11/26/2008 10:36:13 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life ;o)
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To: MaineConservative

Nice sentiment but it is not practical for all conservatives to homeschool. Instead of ceding the public schools why shouldn’t conservatives become active agitators in them? I plan on retiring from law enforcement and using my MA in History to teach when I do. You can bet that my classes will not be full of one-sided anti-American tripe. If not teaching, how about running for school board, or even attending council and commission meetings where education is a topic. “All politics is local” as Johnson said and he was right. We’ve had our asses handed to us because Conservatives generally eschew the activist streak necessary to infiltrate all political arenas. Well that is going to have to change. We have to become more activist and take the fight to the libs rather than letting them dictating to us and we must do so while maintaining our ideological integrity.


31 posted on 11/26/2008 1:17:42 PM PST by Crapgame (Palin/Coulter 2012)
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To: Crapgame
The problem with taking public schools back is twofold: liberal activism, driven to a great extent by teachers unions, and Federal and state mandates and court decisions that deprive local school boards of autonomy. Local activism by conservatives can turn the former problem around, though not always successfully. The problem at the state and Federal levels is more intractable, however. Even states dominated first by conservative Democrats and then by Republicans, as is the case of most Southern states, have not been successful in breaking the stranglehold of liberalism over state education bureaucracies and teachers colleges.
32 posted on 11/27/2008 7:06:39 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: Wallace T.

You bring up an excellent point, maybe Education should be tackled from the top down instead. Reagan talked about abolishing the Department of Education, we need a President who would do exactly that, or at least a committee chair in Congress who could make life miserable for them. The control over education needs to be fought on all fronts and the dismantling of the Federal Dept. of Education would then throw that control back to the States. Then we could exercise more control over the content of the curriculum. Local control in this instances is infinitely better than direction from Sodom-on-Potomac.


33 posted on 11/27/2008 8:49:36 AM PST by Crapgame (Palin/Coulter 2012)
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To: Crapgame
Conservatives generally eschew the activist streak necessary to infiltrate all political arenas.

True...As I say in my TAGLINE Lets go and get busy to bring back the USA from SOCIALISTS!! We need to be ACTIVE!!!

34 posted on 11/30/2008 5:01:45 PM PST by MaineConservative (Conservatives -- if you want CHANGE run for Congress in 2010!! I am))
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To: PBRSTREETGANG
When “La Amnestia” comes...and it will now...it’s all over but the shoutin’.
How would that affect the campaign for same-sex "marriage"?
35 posted on 12/10/2008 8:42:20 AM PST by dbz77
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