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Minnesota Senate Recount, Update IX
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2008/11/022163.php ^

Posted on 11/26/2008 3:13:41 PM PST by chessplayer

The Coleman campaign has just issued the following press release that confirms the nightmare scenarios sketched out by John Fund in his Wall Street Journal column today:

ST. PAUL - Hours after the Franken campaign failed to convince the Minnesota State Canvassing Board to intervene on its behalf, Senate President Harry Reid (D-Nev) supported Franken's attorney's statement that they are prepared to take the Minnesota election to the U.S. Senate for a decision.

Later Wednesday afternoon, Reid opened the door for Senate intervention into the Minnesota election processing, saying: "Today's decision by the Minnesota Canvassing Board not to count certain absentee ballots is cause for great concern." Reid made the statement in a release from his official U.S. Senate office.

"This is a stunning admission by the Franken campaign that they are willing to take this process away from Minnesotans if they fail to win the recount."


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: coleman; democrats; electioncongress; electionussenate; franken; mn2008; stealingelections; votefraud

1 posted on 11/26/2008 3:13:41 PM PST by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

Rules are for suckers......


2 posted on 11/26/2008 3:15:20 PM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (Read FR First.....THEN Read Drudge.)
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To: chessplayer

Whatever it takes.

And Republicans will just take it, lying down.

Cowards.


3 posted on 11/26/2008 3:16:11 PM PST by Boiling Pots (I'd be laughing if it wasn't going to be so expensive.)
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To: chessplayer

Why is this ‘stunning’, considering Obama’s blatant stealing of the election? It just proves dems think the entire electoral process/system is their private sandbox. The only question is...how do we ever get it away from them?


4 posted on 11/26/2008 3:17:30 PM PST by hershey
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To: chessplayer

Franken is a POS.

Sore Loser POS.


5 posted on 11/26/2008 3:18:13 PM PST by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: Boiling Pots

“And Republicans will just take it, lying down.”

BOHICA


6 posted on 11/26/2008 3:18:57 PM PST by dbacks (God help the USA.)
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To: hershey

Yes, the only stunning thing about it all is how blatant they are this year. The Rats have been stealing elections for years, but now they don’t even try to hide it.


7 posted on 11/26/2008 3:19:59 PM PST by Bigg Red (Palin in 2012!)
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To: chessplayer
Laws??? We don't need no stinkin’ laws!! We are Democrats and we are ENTITLED to anything we want and the citizens of this country had better not stand in our way!
8 posted on 11/26/2008 3:20:30 PM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: chessplayer

Did he say the same thing about Virginia tossing absentee ballots on a technicality?

I didn’t think so.


9 posted on 11/26/2008 3:20:49 PM PST by SandyInSeattle (Go, Sonics! And take the Mariners with you.)
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To: chessplayer
Harry Reid (D-Nev) supported Franken's attorney's statement that they are prepared to take the Minnesota election to the U.S. Senate for a decision.

Wow, just amazing. I guess they have to do what they have to do to win. Why not just refuse to seat any Republicans while they are at it?

10 posted on 11/26/2008 3:20:51 PM PST by JimSEA
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To: dbacks

why isnt this taken to the court system instead of the US Senate?

I am so disgusted by this election.

we will probably never know the truth about where Obamanazi was born.


11 posted on 11/26/2008 3:21:48 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: chessplayer

Interesting precedent. Under perfectly valid state law, Coleman is certified was the winner. The Senate, however, in violation of the state’s law, recounts, applying its own standards, and seats the looser. Well........OK. In the last two elections the Reps lost some seats by very slim margins. It will happen again to both parties. Will the Senate re-open those elections to apply standards that violate state law? Why don’t WE do this?


12 posted on 11/26/2008 3:22:42 PM PST by uscabjd ( a)
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To: chessplayer

If Chambliss wins his race in Florida and Reid does this, then the Republicans should (but will not of course) tell Reid that every bit of Senate business will be ground to a halt until Coleman is seated.


13 posted on 11/26/2008 3:23:28 PM PST by FlipWilson
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To: chessplayer
On what grounds does the US Senate have any say on a state election or on this case?
14 posted on 11/26/2008 3:24:21 PM PST by tophat9000 ( Note: To Obama's Thugocracys... We are all " joe the plumber "...)
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To: chessplayer

Reid should shut up before he makes a bigger fool of himself. If Coleman is certified the winner by 200+ votes, the RAT Senate is not going to proclaim Franken the winner. It might want to, but it doesnt have the nads to put up with the criticism and derision.

It does have the audacity to spend the next couple of years patting itself on the back for not intervening.


15 posted on 11/26/2008 3:29:10 PM PST by freespirited (Honk to indict the MSM for treason.)
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To: GreatOne

Your thoughts?


16 posted on 11/26/2008 3:30:47 PM PST by TitansAFC
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To: tophat9000

Yeah, I did not get that either, but from what I gather the Senate will have the authority to NOT seat Coleman.

I’m not sure who does this? My guess would be the full Senate. Dn’t know what is needed to deny the seat 51 votes?

There had been discussion that if Stevens had won in Alaska that the GOP’s member of the Senate would have refused to seat him, therefore he would be forced to resign.


17 posted on 11/26/2008 3:31:30 PM PST by incredulous joe ("No road is long with good company. " - Turkish Proverb)
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To: RummyChick

better coin that word (”Obamanazi”), soon to be an official part of the lingo along with “feminazi”


18 posted on 11/26/2008 3:35:56 PM PST by machogirl (when the call comes at 3:00 am, Bill Ayers answers the phone)
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To: chessplayer

I don’t believe the Republicans would ever take an action like this, to refuse office to the candidate who received the most votes. This is intolerable and smacks of totalitarianism.


19 posted on 11/26/2008 3:40:32 PM PST by FFranco
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To: chessplayer

Bring it on. Reid will regret it.


20 posted on 11/26/2008 3:46:07 PM PST by dr_who
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To: TitansAFC
Reid is full of crap, as usual. Any election that is concluded in accordance with state law must be honored by the Senate/House. Here's a primer on what the Minnesota Supreme Court has said in the past regarding absentee ballots:

The Minnesota Supreme Court has held that the ability of an absentee voter to cast their ballot by mail is a privilege, not a right. Bell v. Gannaway, 227 N.W.2d 797, 802 (Minn. 1975). Since it is a privilege granted by the state legislature, the legislature may mandate the conditions and procedures for such voting in order to preserve the enfranchisement of qualified voters and of the secrecy of the ballot, the prevention of fraud, and the achievement of a reasonably prompt determination of the result of the election, which have been vital considerations in the development of absentee voting legislation. Id.

As stated by the Minnesota Supreme Court in Wichelmann v. City of Glencoe, 273 N.W. 638, 639 (Minn. 1937):

“The purpose of an election is to ascertain the will of the electorate. In order to secure a full and complete expression of the popular will, it is necessary not only that all voters who are qualified be permitted to vote, but also that only those who are entitled to vote be permitted to do so, and that a proper count and return be made. Laws relating to the registration of voters, secrecy of the ballot, and counting and returning the results of elections are designed to give the fullest expression to the will of the electorate at the polls and at the same time prevent illegal voting, frauds, and dishonesty in elections which frequently have defeated the will of the voters. The general election law provides that voting shall be by ballot in person in the regular polling places in the election districts. The absent voters law provides a way for voting by mail in cases in which the voters are absent from the district or are physically unable to go to the polls in person.

“The lawmaking power, being fully cognizant of the possibilities of illegal voting, frauds, and dishonesty in elections, prescribed many safeguards in the absent voters law to prevent such abuses. While the purpose of the statute is to extend the privilege of voting, its provisions clearly indicate an intention not to let down the bars necessary for honest elections. Absentee voting is an exception to the general rule and is in the nature of a special right or privilege which enables the absentee voter to exercise his right to vote in a manner not enjoyed by voters generally. By the terms of the statute it is purely optional with the absentee voters whether they shall exercise the rights and privileges conferred upon them. If an elector decides to exercise the privilege of absentee voting, he can register and vote, by the terms of the law, only 'by complying with the provisions' thereof.”

As a result, and in order to preserve the purity and integrity of elections, all of the substantial requirements of the absentee voter statutes must be held as mandatory, and those voters who vote under these provision must be held to strict compliance therewith. Bell, 227 N.W.2d at 803. This includes casting a properly witnessed ballot. If an absentee or mail voter fails to comply with the standards set out by the legislature, their vote is to be rejected. Wichelmann, 273 N.W. at 640. The outcome of an election should rest upon ballots received according to law and should not be determined by illegal votes. Johnson v. Trnka, 154 N.W.2d 185, 187 (Minn. 1967).

21 posted on 11/26/2008 3:48:01 PM PST by GreatOne (You will bow down before me, Son of Jor-el!)
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To: hershey

We are officially a banana republic, and the only thing that will stop ACORN and the radical leftists is a revolution.


22 posted on 11/26/2008 3:48:53 PM PST by oldtimer
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To: FFranco
I don’t believe the Republicans would ever take an action like this, to refuse office to the candidate who received the most votes

Are you kidding? The democrats & media haven't stopped crying about the election in 2000 the republicans didn't steal.

23 posted on 11/26/2008 3:49:12 PM PST by skeeter (Its Barry's fault)
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To: chessplayer

Reid can eat sh*t and die.


24 posted on 11/26/2008 3:50:19 PM PST by WashingtonSource
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To: tophat9000
The Constitution (Art I, Sec. 5) states that each House shall be the judge of the elections, returns, and qualifications of its own members.

There were a couple of cases in recent decades where the Democrat-controlled Congress refused to seat Republicans who had won extremely close victories and gave the seat to the Democrat. I don't know if they can get away with it in this case without a filibuster-proof majority (and even the RINOs would presumably vote with their own party on an issue like this), and they need both this seat and the one in Georgia to get to the magic number of 60.

What would stop them, I guess, is if the people of Minnesota were convinced that Coleman had won.

25 posted on 11/26/2008 4:03:02 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: skeeter

That was the Supreme Court enforcing the law, not the Republicans. The Republican Party is above those kind of acts.


26 posted on 11/26/2008 4:04:18 PM PST by FFranco
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To: FFranco

re-read my comment.


27 posted on 11/26/2008 4:07:33 PM PST by skeeter (Its Barry's fault)
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To: tophat9000
On what grounds does the US Senate have any say on a state election or on this case?

None that I know of, but I'm not no fancy pants lawyer neither. The Constitution leaves the election of senators up to the States. I don't see anything giving them the authority to override state law. I think they're blowing smoke.

28 posted on 11/26/2008 4:17:47 PM PST by Seven plus One
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To: GreatOne

Excellent. Thanks.


29 posted on 11/26/2008 4:19:11 PM PST by Seven plus One
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To: freespirited

Reid wouldn’t dare...not with this set of facts. He’d be made to look like the lying, deceitful cheat that he is.


30 posted on 11/26/2008 5:00:18 PM PST by chiller (I hope he comes to his senses, but fear stealth socialist indoctrination and economics)
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To: freespirited

Criticism and derision? From who? The MSM will just gush over how much courage Reid had and then bury the rest of the story on page 26.


31 posted on 11/26/2008 5:09:44 PM PST by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: chessplayer

If Coleman is still leading after the recount and after the challenges are heard, I don’t see how the people of Minnesota could stand for the U.S. senate coming in and intervening in a state election. What is the logic? (Beyond hyper-partisan Democrats wanting to win at any cost). Reid is not winning ANY friends in the U.S. senate by these tactics.

I don’t care what Reid says. If Coleman leads after the recount and the challenges (which is likely), he will be sworn in. I can’t believe the people of Minnesota would allow the U.S. senate to overturn an election.


32 posted on 11/26/2008 5:28:38 PM PST by St. Louis Conservative
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To: WashingtonSource

Ditto.

I can’t wait to donate to Reid’s challenger in 2010. This guy is worse than Puff Daschle.


33 posted on 11/26/2008 5:38:18 PM PST by St. Louis Conservative
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To: Seven plus One
Please see reply 25. The body (House or Senate) is the final arbiter of all races per the Constitution, and the Democrats have always used that to their advantage. Trust me, they will seat Al Franken regardless of the outcome of the recount. And the writer is mistaken about the anticipated results. When the Democrats control a house, contested races are ALWAYS decided in favor of the Democrat regardless of the circumstances. Ron Paul in his second run for Congress was the victim of massive and obvious voter fraud (he should have won hands down) but his Democrat opponent was seated anyway. Don't bother the Democrats with facts or analysis, the Democrat will get seated. And the stupid electorate will forget in two years and vote for the morally bankrupt, corrupt, lying, thieving Democrats.

Remember, to a Democrat, something is "fair" only when the Democrat wins.

34 posted on 11/26/2008 6:22:33 PM PST by Lafayette (You would think that Patrick Henry said, "Give me DEMOCRACY or give me death!")
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To: Lafayette

But this time...the numbers will make a difference in the balance of power. I guess it doesn’t matter to the American Public..they voted for Obamanazi and didnt care about his dubious background.


35 posted on 11/26/2008 6:25:03 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: dr_who

“Bring it on. Reid will regret it.”

And how is that, the MSM will cover for him, and it will be hailed as the correct thing to do by all the Lib pundits. The only hue and cry will be from the Republican base, who will be in large part ignored by the RINOS. The Republican Leadership will be to busy dropping their drawers and bending over to do anything about it.


36 posted on 11/26/2008 6:29:57 PM PST by DaiHuy (')
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To: St. Louis Conservative
I can’t believe the people of Minnesota would allow the U.S. senate to overturn an election.

What do you think we are going to do. Turn Klobachar out at the first opportunity and support the Republican presidential candidate in 2012? Doubt it. Governor Pawlenty would invite Senator Franken over for tea to discuss global warming and the implementation of socialized medicine.

37 posted on 11/26/2008 7:34:13 PM PST by Minn (Here is a realistic picture of the prophet: ----> ([: {()
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To: tophat9000
The Night of the Thugocracys...
is upon U.S.

38 posted on 11/26/2008 7:36:23 PM PST by tophat9000 ( Note: To Obama's Thugocracys... We are all " joe the plumber "...)
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To: Minn

I don’t understand your comment.


39 posted on 11/26/2008 7:43:04 PM PST by St. Louis Conservative
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To: rbg81
Criticism and derision? From who? The MSM will just gush over how much courage Reid had and then bury the rest of the story on page 26.

I dont think so. There is a big difference between Obama and Reid. The MSM loves Obama. Nobody loves Reid.

40 posted on 11/26/2008 8:11:13 PM PST by freespirited (Honk to indict the MSM for treason.)
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To: DaiHuy

I don’t think Minn. will stand for it.


41 posted on 11/26/2008 9:09:03 PM PST by dr_who
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; george76; ...
Later Wednesday afternoon, Reid opened the door for Senate intervention into the Minnesota election processing, saying: "Today's decision by the Minnesota Canvassing Board not to count certain absentee ballots is cause for great concern." Reid made the statement in a release from his official U.S. Senate office. "This is a stunning admission by the Franken campaign that they are willing to take this process away from Minnesotans if they fail to win the recount."

42 posted on 11/28/2008 10:36:16 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, October 11, 2008 !!!)
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The Minnesota Circus
(Democrat Senate may overturn election result favoring Coleman)
American Spectator
Posted on 11/25/2008 3:43:01 PM PST by Chet 99
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2138344/posts

State Recount: Franken Loses in Bid to Add Ballots
Minneapolis Star Tribune | November 26, 2008 | Kevin Duschere and Bob Von Sternberg
Posted on 11/26/2008 8:04:46 PM PST by justiceseeker93
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2139041/posts

[Minnesota] Recount gives us stunning view of voters and their wily ways
Minneapolis Star Tribune | November 20, 2008 | JAMES LILEKS
Posted on 11/27/2008 8:19:58 PM PST by rhema
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2139412/posts


43 posted on 11/28/2008 10:36:59 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, October 11, 2008 !!!)
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